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Link Posted: 11/11/2018 12:58:42 PM EDT
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Normally, recounts only affect the vote counts in the hundreds. Scott has around a 13,000 vote lead. Desantis 30,000. A recount shifting thousands of votes, let alone over 10k votes would be unheard of as far as I know.
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You're right, there has never been a recount in the US that would overturn the numbers in these races.
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How the fuck can she not meet it when large counties like Miami-Dade can?
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Bucher, the Palm Beach Elections Supervisor has already said she won't be able to meet the Thursday deadline for all the recounts. The SOS told her he will not extend it.
Previously she hasn't been able to comply with any judge's order regarding Provisional ballots. I'm sure if I ignored a judge's ruling, I would be in jail. They can disregard them with impunity.
How the fuck can she not meet it when large counties like Miami-Dade can?
Because they need lawsuits.
Link Posted: 11/11/2018 1:01:52 PM EDT
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You're right, there has never been a recount in the US that would overturn the numbers in these races.
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Normally, recounts only affect the vote counts in the hundreds. Scott has around a 13,000 vote lead. Desantis 30,000. A recount shifting thousands of votes, let alone over 10k votes would be unheard of as far as I know.
You're right, there has never been a recount in the US that would overturn the numbers in these races.
I don’t trust it.  It’s a stall.

Wonder what else is in the news that people don’t want attention on?   Yes the elections are super important, but if it’s one thing I’ve learned, it’s watch what the left hand is doing when the right one is waving at you.

I do not trust this situation at all.  Major smokescreen for other things.  Our attention is almost exclusively on these elections....
Link Posted: 11/11/2018 1:07:09 PM EDT
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I doubt it is ineptness...…..once they found out they lost...…..they started to create fraudulent ballots and used what you are hearing as the usual excuses.

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I agree wholeheartedly.  My post reflects the opinion that for the masses, the first outcome of Snipes offices actions are that regardless of what she has done the sum is moot as far as the count goes.  Her actions, intentional or unintentional, does not matter as to the immediate matter at hand.  She failed and the execution of her lawful assigned duties was a failure.  Immediate result is she fucked up and she needs to answer to the voters that her actions just fucked.  Its not like in hindsight it should be a surprise that her or Palm Beach County are having "issues".  They are plagued by "issues" that go back multiple election cycles.  She is elected and can be held accountable by the folks that put her there as a voluntary candidate who sought the position.

After nullifying the results, they can investigate what ever they want for the cause. But, some type of independent oversight of the office should be in place.  For example if a police agency has a pattern of violating peoples rights, they can be forced into a consent decree.  I would like to see that office put in a similar position.
Link Posted: 11/11/2018 1:13:18 PM EDT
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I agree wholeheartedly.  My post reflects the opinion that for the masses, the first outcome of Snipes offices actions are that regardless of what she has done the sum is moot as far as the count goes.  Her actions, intentional or unintentional, does not matter as to the immediate matter at hand.  She failed and the execution of her lawful assigned duties was a failure.  Immediate result is she fucked up and she needs to answer to the voters that her actions just fucked.  Its not like in hindsight it should be a surprise that her or Palm Beach County are having "issues".  They are plagued by "issues" that go back multiple election cycles.  She is elected and can be held accountable by the folks that put her there as a voluntary candidate who sought the position.

After nullifying the results, they can investigate what ever they want for the cause. But, some type of independent oversight of the office should be in place.  For example if a police agency has a pattern of violating peoples rights, they can be forced into a consent decree.  I would like to see that office put in a similar position.
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I agree one GUZILLION percent that her actions should in my opinion nullify the results.

I also agree that she should face the music legally for her INTENTIONAL actions.

My problem is if oversight has not already been place it never will be...….this happens EVERY TIME there is a close election down there and the democrat lost initially.

They are engaging in fraud.....everyone deep down knows this yet nothing legally ever happens.

It is beyond time to play hardball with these criminals but...…..NOTHING EVER HAPPENS.

ETA:  And this NOT ONLY FLORIDA...….the same type of thing showed up in 2016 when Jill Stein asked for her Michigan recount.

Fraud starting to show up in numerous Detroit precincts and Stein shut down the recount in about two minutes.

NO ONE I know was surprised by this fraud in Detroit because they probably do it every election and have been doing it for decades but...……………..

What were the consequences of this fraud...…..NOTHING.

I emailed our reps, senators, state and federal, I emailed the newspapers asking why legal actions were not being pursued...…..you know how many responses I received...……...ZERO.
Link Posted: 11/11/2018 1:21:06 PM EDT
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Normally, recounts only affect the vote counts in the hundreds. Scott has around a 13,000 vote lead. Desantis 30,000. A recount shifting thousands of votes, let alone over 10k votes would be unheard of as far as I know.
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Do Scott and DeSantis have the votes to win a recount?
Normally, recounts only affect the vote counts in the hundreds. Scott has around a 13,000 vote lead. Desantis 30,000. A recount shifting thousands of votes, let alone over 10k votes would be unheard of as far as I know.
That was my thinking. Just not sure how many votes Palm Beach and Broward Counties will find.
Link Posted: 11/11/2018 1:31:07 PM EDT
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From another thread

Link Posted: 11/11/2018 1:39:06 PM EDT
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Bitch needs to be hung
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Oh hell yes!  200% behind that statement

The bullshit liberal whining after the storms in 04/05 was infuriating, Fucking FSA snowflakes
Link Posted: 11/11/2018 1:53:18 PM EDT
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Out in public
Link Posted: 11/11/2018 1:53:28 PM EDT
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How the fuck can she not meet it when large counties like Miami-Dade can?
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Bucher, the Palm Beach Elections Supervisor has already said she won't be able to meet the Thursday deadline for all the recounts. The SOS told her he will not extend it.
Previously she hasn't been able to comply with any judge's order regarding Provisional ballots. I'm sure if I ignored a judge's ruling, I would be in jail. They can disregard them with impunity.
How the fuck can she not meet it when large counties like Miami-Dade can?
Do you really think that bitch id in charge? Seriously?
Link Posted: 11/11/2018 1:54:31 PM EDT
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As a guy in TN watching GA/ FL / AZ races and open fraud, I am mad as hell. But what can be done? If elections can be this brazenly stolen, is the ballot box still viable in those states?
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In those states? They are watching and paying close attention. If they can get away with it in those states.... They will do it in all that  don't give them the results they want in future elections.
Link Posted: 11/11/2018 1:56:42 PM EDT
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Invalidate the ballots from fuckwad county and palm beach county. No need to hold another election. The people of florida spoke last Tuesday.
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I agree.  Any county that introduces fraudulent votes to affect a state election should have ALL of that county's votes nullified.
Link Posted: 11/11/2018 2:00:54 PM EDT
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Yup, that's what they say but I GUARANTEE YOU the fraud machine will continue on in Florida...…….they will desperately try and create new ballots and stuff them into the boxes of existing ballots.

Bank on it.
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Do Scott and DeSantis have the votes to win a recount?
Normally, recounts only affect the vote counts in the hundreds. Scott has around a 13,000 vote lead. Desantis 30,000. A recount shifting thousands of votes, let alone over 10k votes would be unheard of as far as I know.
Yup, that's what they say but I GUARANTEE YOU the fraud machine will continue on in Florida...…….they will desperately try and create new ballots and stuff them into the boxes of existing ballots.

Bank on it.
They have repeatedly shown the world 'not to put anything pass them' and yet folks continue to doubt they would do scandalous underhanded shit.

I don't trust anyone on the left. Period. From the vote for Hillary button wearing girl ringing up my groceries to the asshole sitting in the halls of Congress. None. Of. Them.

As Senator Graham said "Boy you people will do anything for power....." (In talking about the left)
Link Posted: 11/11/2018 2:02:33 PM EDT
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They have repeatedly shown the world 'not to put anything pass them' and yet folks continue to doubt they would do scandalous underhanded shit.

I don't trust anyone on the left. Period. From the vote for Hillary button wearing girl ringing up my groceries to the asshole sitting in the halls of Congress. None. Of. Them.
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Do Scott and DeSantis have the votes to win a recount?
Normally, recounts only affect the vote counts in the hundreds. Scott has around a 13,000 vote lead. Desantis 30,000. A recount shifting thousands of votes, let alone over 10k votes would be unheard of as far as I know.
Yup, that's what they say but I GUARANTEE YOU the fraud machine will continue on in Florida...…….they will desperately try and create new ballots and stuff them into the boxes of existing ballots.

Bank on it.
They have repeatedly shown the world 'not to put anything pass them' and yet folks continue to doubt they would do scandalous underhanded shit.

I don't trust anyone on the left. Period. From the vote for Hillary button wearing girl ringing up my groceries to the asshole sitting in the halls of Congress. None. Of. Them.
Link Posted: 11/11/2018 2:04:21 PM EDT
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The thing that gets me is when was the last legitimate one and how many elections would we have won if they didn’t cheat?
All the talking heads thought trump was a joke and couldn’t win, so they didn’t plan big enough to pull it off. Thank God.

Another embarrassment is we have sent guys all over the world in combat spreading the word of democracy and giving our lives for it and now we are a joke. It cheapens the sacrifices made and I think this infuriates me most of all.
Link Posted: 11/11/2018 2:16:43 PM EDT
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As a guy in TN watching GA/ FL / AZ races and open fraud, I am mad as hell. But what can be done? If elections can be this brazenly stolen, is the ballot box still viable in those states?
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I assume this also happens in other states that are just much better at covert cheating, so we never see it or hear about it.
Link Posted: 11/11/2018 2:26:41 PM EDT
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Well according to the local Gainesville paper..  
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If we all accept the premise that liberal socialist will sell their own parents into bondage to attain an election? What and do we stop the corruption of electoral system? How do we retain the moral highground and not loose our Republic to those who will destroy our society?

Short of having reducation camps to reverse four generations of socialist programming in our entire education community. How do we reclaim power
of the individual over the power of a socialist mob?
Link Posted: 11/11/2018 2:38:45 PM EDT
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I'm not too knowlegeble about how they count votes. It just seems like, with how advanced technology is today and how important elections are, there should be a system in place that makes it impossible to miss a single vote. It seems like this system is meant to be abused. Also whenever I hear a recount why is it always the Democrats getting the recount and finding these magical missing votes. Any instances of Republicans demanding a recount, getting it, and coming out ahead of the Democrats? I could be way off base about all of that of course.
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A solution would be to broadcast everything they do online, live. Have every fucking box geotagged and tracked online for the public to see. Have every square inch of the place broadcasted live on webcams for the public to witness.
Link Posted: 11/11/2018 2:54:25 PM EDT
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Rick Scott on another vote counting controversy in Florida
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If we all accept the premise that liberal socialist will sell their own parents into bondage to attain an election? What and do we stop the corruption of electoral system? How do we retain the moral highground and not loose our Republic to those who will destroy our society?

Short of having reducation camps to reverse four generations of socialist programming in our entire education community. How do we reclaim power
of the individual over the power of a socialist mob?
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Normally, recounts only affect the vote counts in the hundreds. Scott has around a 13,000 vote lead. Desantis 30,000. A recount shifting thousands of votes, let alone over 10k votes would be unheard of as far as I know.
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Do Scott and DeSantis have the votes to win a recount?
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Btw that is what they said in mn during the Al Fraken recount. That statistically it was impossible for a recount to find enough mis allocated votes then they started finding votes in trunks of cars and had more ballots than the machine records. then when he was up a few votes they called it good and certified the dem
Link Posted: 11/11/2018 2:58:25 PM EDT
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With both houses of congress and the white house, why the fuck didn't we have voterID?

That was our chance guys. That was our chance, and they did NOTHING.

The party of stagnation and stalemate.
Link Posted: 11/11/2018 3:04:34 PM EDT
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Dade has not voiced similiar concerns despite the fact that they have a larger population.  Looks like they finally got their act togethet after Bush/Gore.

Nor have other county election offices indicated they expect any difficulty complying with the dealine.

Meanwhile, the Palm Beach elections office anticipates it will be unable to accomplish this simple task. One that the ancient Greeks rountinely conducted.

They're all "Buchered up".


RIVIERA BEACH, Fla. (CBS12) — Ballots whirred through the machines Saturday at Palm Beach County’s tabulation center in Riviera Beach.

The unprecedented recounts in three statewide races are underway.

But as the first machine recount commenced in Palm Beach County late in the afternoon, Supervisor of Elections Susan Bucher warned meeting the state deadline in her county would be impossible.


https://cbs12.com/news/local/elections-supervisor-says-impossible-to-meet-recount-deadline
Link Posted: 11/11/2018 3:08:37 PM EDT
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So on election day they can count all the votes cast within a 12 hour period, but cannot count those same votes within a subsequent 5-day period?

Far out, man...
Link Posted: 11/11/2018 3:09:52 PM EDT
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I’m Already not a fan of the guy, but that was a lousy interview.
I also hope changing the direction of the country like he changed the direction of florida (he said it twice) doesn’t include more of what he considers common sense gun control.
Link Posted: 11/11/2018 3:30:45 PM EDT
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The sad thing is that even if we win, we lose. People's faith in our institutions has taken another hit.

I used to think that progressives were ok with this stuff because they didn't care, or were just power crazed. Now I believe that damaging faith in our institutions is an added bonus or objective. You can't remake the country into a socialist/progressive experiment while people still have reverence for American institutions. You see it in their language too, labeling our institutions as racist, patriarchy, etc.

This is why it is so important to prosecute people for election fraud, illegal fisa applications, rogue bureaucrats, and other abuses.
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I used to think that progressives were ok with this stuff because they didn't care, or were just power crazed. Now I believe that damaging faith in our institutions is an added bonus or objective. You can't remake the country into a socialist/progressive experiment while people still have reverence for American institutions. You see it in their language too, labeling our institutions as racist, patriarchy, etc.
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This man gets it.
Link Posted: 11/11/2018 3:35:59 PM EDT
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No idea if this is authentic, I don't trust the web much anymore. If it is Snipes should have been locked up 2 years ago.

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Of course they didn't see any crimes going on. They are just counting the fraudulent ballots that get sent in.  Do people actually think they are making the ballots at the election office?  lol.
They did it in 2016. It is not funny
No idea if this is authentic, I don't trust the web much anymore. If it is Snipes should have been locked up 2 years ago.

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Fuck me.
Link Posted: 11/11/2018 3:44:15 PM EDT
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The Rotagilla?
Link Posted: 11/11/2018 3:45:02 PM EDT
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Here in WI we've been disenfranchised by the communists from Milwaukee & Madison
imo
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Don’t even bring up Jobu and that bitch. Might anger my Jobu

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A plastic M110?
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This man gets it.
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I used to think that progressives were ok with this stuff because they didn't care, or were just power crazed. Now I believe that damaging faith in our institutions is an added bonus or objective. You can't remake the country into a socialist/progressive experiment while people still have reverence for American institutions. You see it in their language too, labeling our institutions as racist, patriarchy, etc.
This man gets it.
Absolutely...right on!
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Do you really think that bitch id in charge? Seriously?
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It's Tammany Hall 2.0.

The head Democrat calls her and tells her the results he wants to see and then she tries to make it happen.
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No idea if this is authentic, I don't trust the web much anymore. If it is Snipes should have been locked up 2 years ago.

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Is that legit?

I always assumed election fraud would be as easy as that.  The problem is that it would likely have to involve multiple people and like they always say the more people know the more likely they are to get busted.

It makes sense to do it in counties they already dominate since the local governments will all be friendly to them and the ridiculous margins won't be questioned as hard as well as allow them to stuff a much larger amount of bullshit ballots in.
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The sad thing is that even if we win, we lose. People's faith in our institutions has taken another hit.

I used to think that progressives were ok with this stuff because they didn't care, or were just power crazed. Now I believe that damaging faith in our institutions is an added bonus or objective. You can't remake the country into a socialist/progressive experiment while people still have reverence for American institutions. You see it in their language too, labeling our institutions as racist, patriarchy, etc.

This is why it is so important to prosecute people for election fraud, illegal fisa applications, rogue bureaucrats, and other abuses.
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Agreed, but understand that these prosecutions will NOT happen.

Which will leave us with only two options: submission, or violent resistance.
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I can't believe something can't be done in Broward.
For decades, many states of the former South were under Federal observation due to Tom Crow Laws and the KKK discouraging the black vote.   Use the same justification to put Broward and Dade under the Federal Civil Rights Div microscope.
Did you just make the "we need General Sherman to come back down here?" argument?
Where do I enlist for THAT ARMY
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Rrrmm, your votes steal I shall...
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We shouldn't have to give up anything. In reality dems always win. No matter who controls what. When the dems are in control they take what they want.
When Republicans are in control we still have to give up something just to get something else. We keep going this way, pretty soon we won't have anything left to give. Or fight for.
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But muh bumpstocks
After how many of these threads, and the back and forth, do you really think I give a shit about a bump stock?
Exactly that's the least of my concerns right now. I'd gladly give up a bump stock to keep DEMOCRATS out of power.

Never thought I'd ever say that. But if the DEMOCRATS ever get control we will lose alot more than bump stocks.

But I'm sick and tired of hearing that phase right now.
We shouldn't have to give up anything. In reality dems always win. No matter who controls what. When the dems are in control they take what they want.
When Republicans are in control we still have to give up something just to get something else. We keep going this way, pretty soon we won't have anything left to give. Or fight for.
I agree whole heartly. But read what I posted again. It refers only to this election and was a metaphor.

Exactly that's the least of my concerns right now. I'd gladly give up a bump stock to keep DEMOCRATS out of power.

Never thought I'd ever say that. But if the DEMOCRATS ever get control we will lose alot more than bump stocks.
Plus if anybody used the bumpstock issue NOT TO VOTE FOR SCOTT. STOP YOUR DAMN WHINNING ABOUT THE SLIM VOTER MARGIN OF 12K.

I've heard people here and on other forums blame bump stocks for this. The reason SCOTT did not have a greater lead.

People were willing to concede to the DEMOCRATS over a bump stock.

By not voting for Scott. Knowing what the SOCIALIST DEMOCRATS would do. Now that's just fucking brilliant.

All of you that did that are just a damn GENIUS

If you did not vote. It was basically a vote for the DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST EXTREMISTS PARTY. Then you want to cry about maybe losing you gun rights or how SCOTT screwed up.

No those that did not vote screwed up. Because they were trying to prove a point about a bump stock. Hey I did not like it either. I was pissed as hell about it. I had to sell my binary trigger.

But I WAS NOT STUPID ABOUT IT EITHER. REPUBLICANS MAY NOT BE THE BEST.

BUT THEY ARE A HELL OF A LOT BETTER THAN THE SOCIALIST EXTREMISTS CALLED DEMOCRATS.


BUT ALL I KEEP HEARING IS MY BUMP STOCK AND HOW SCOTT SCREWED UP WRONG. IF THE LOSS OF BUMP STOCKS IS A GREAT REASON FOR NOT VOTING FOR SCOTT AND MAYBE LETTING THE DAMN DEMOCRATS GAIN CONTROL. YOU SCREWED UP.

If the lead had been larger we'd been in a better position. But then again these thieves of liberty just will not stop. The DEMOCRATS make no mistake. They are enemies of the AMERICAN PEOPLE and the CONSTITUTION and the BILL OF RIGHTS.

BUT...BUT...BUT..MY BUMP STOCK.  GROW THE HELL UP ALREADY.
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With leads this big, for those leads to completely "disappear" would definitely result in total outrage and a very loud call for nothing short of a total revote in (at least) two counties, under close watch by state and federal level officials.   And probably it'd get chased all the way to the Supreme Court.

CHAIN OF CUSTODY.  It must be sacred and all ballots watched over by multiple observers from both parties at all times from the moment the ballots are cast to the moment the tallying is completed.    Any ballots appearing without a complete chain of custody need to be immediately burned to ash.
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How do we find out if this is real?

This is a hill I am willing to die on if necessary.
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Let's see if I understand the playbook being run here...

1: install cronies into a select few critical county election positions of power.
2: delay tally reporting in those counties in order to gain inside information on the true vote count (feet dragging counties plus honest)
3: after secretly determining the final true vote if:
4a: if desired candidate wins, publish vote.
4b: if undesired candidate wins, forge just enough votes in controlled counties to initiate recount.
5: forge additional votes needed to secure victory and salt these into other counties to obscure their presence.
6: hold recount of salted ballots, desired candidate wins.

We seem to be at stage 5.
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With leads this big, for those leads to completely "disappear" would definitely result in total outrage and a very loud call for nothing short of a total revote in (at least) two counties, under close watch by state and federal level officials.   And probably it'd get chased all the way to the Supreme Court.  
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Maybe those leads are too big to disappear, maybe not.  The Democrats are not beholden to the way things have always been done.

And even if they lose this one, they've conditioned people to ever larger numbers of disputed and questionable ballots.  If Broward County can "find" over a hundred thousand ballots after their initial vote reports this time, then most people will just yawn when it happens again.  Except that next time, it may be enough to make the difference.  We already expect election fraud from Democrat strongholds, and no one really does a thing about it.  We are transitioning from a nation of laws to a nation of third world tyranny.
Link Posted: 11/11/2018 4:52:02 PM EDT
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With both houses of congress and the white house, why the fuck didn't we have voterID?

That was our chance guys. That was our chance, and they did NOTHING.

The party of stagnation and stalemate.
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The two party system is dead.
Link Posted: 11/11/2018 4:56:16 PM EDT
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What's the latest???
Link Posted: 11/11/2018 5:01:51 PM EDT
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It's Tammany Hall 2.0.

The head Democrat calls her and tells her the results he wants to see and then she tries to make it happen.
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Do you really think that bitch id in charge? Seriously?
It's Tammany Hall 2.0.

The head Democrat calls her and tells her the results he wants to see and then she tries to make it happen.
Yep, just making sure everyone knows that dumb bitch can not even put a cognitive sentence. She needs to serve time or the end of a rope. I miss old sparky.
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