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Link Posted: 4/14/2024 6:19:10 PM EDT
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Welcome fellow firearms enthusiast
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Man I’m getting whiplash here… yes, no, yes, no…
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If it helps, nobody in Israel is reporting anything other than the lifting of restrictions from last night.
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Amen.  Couldn't agree. Fight...or don't. This isnt a fucking movie. Plot development isn't required. Get to it, or don't.  Enough fucking posturing already.
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JFC, are they going to meet at the bus stop by Carl's house after-school?  Is Iran's chick gonna' be there too?  

What is with all of this leaking & telegraphing faggotry?  Just do it, or don't.  But stop with the, "I'm warning you mister!," bullshit already.
Amen.  Couldn't agree. Fight...or don't. This isnt a fucking movie. Plot development isn't required. Get to it, or don't.  Enough fucking posturing already.


It isn't a movie, but the entire defense department is nothing but a political hammer.

So it is politics and has been for a very very long time.

Everything done since WW2 has been politics

Fuck politics.

Link Posted: 4/14/2024 6:21:11 PM EDT
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Wow, if that's true I just don't even know what to say...this is some kinda fucked-up bullshit going on here.

the mentioned article in the Jerusalem Post
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I disagree a bit but I'd rather not gum up the thread. A couple of quick points:

Agreed that Ukraine is fucked. For lots of reasons, none of which involve being pro- either combatant.

Who would have thought Israel would have been attacked by a country? Anyone who remembers when Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and a few lesser players attacked them en masse and individually over more than a decade.




You are right, I should have said in the last 20-30 years since US established itself as the premier/only superpower in the world.  

We will see how serious Israel is about striking back by what they do in Gaza over the next few weeks.  They need to finish up there, because if they decide to hurt Iran in any meaningful way they will be fighting Hezbollah and don't need Hamas still capable on the other side of the country.  Israel's tactical situation is shit right now and this is why i think they will be very restrained.  Iran has boots on the ground on their borders (Hezbollah, Syria) and they don't.  

Again, the worst part is that Biden went out and said don't and they did.  How do you think this plays in Taiwan?  Iran didn't listen, why would China?  Is Taiwan a closer ally than Israel?  Is anybody?  

It's a fucked up situation.  I am sure the news are going to be desperately trying to convince the world this was a great victory but color me skeptic.  

If I had to bet I'd say that the Biden administration made some kind of deal with Iran, along the lines of "do an attack to save face, we'll help shoot it down so Israel doesn't get hurt, and then we'll prevent Israel from retaliating". The whole thing feels a bit orchestrated.



NEW: Joe Biden Green-Lit Iran's Attack on Israel

https://redstate.com/bonchie/2024/04/14/new-joe-biden-green-lit-irans-attack-on-israel-n2172744



why TF do Democrats kiss the fucking Iranians ass so much? seriously?
Link Posted: 4/14/2024 6:24:23 PM EDT
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If it was me, I would tell them 48 hours but hit them in 10.
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I'm never going to understand polite warfare.
"Hey you Iranian assholes!  We're gonna strike back!  In 24-48 hours."

Why warn them?  Just annihilate them.


If it was me, I would tell them 48 hours but hit them in 10.


Drag it out at least a week, but do fake runs to test their reaction.

Keep them on edge as long as possible till fatigue sits in.

Then launch a massive strike.
Link Posted: 4/14/2024 6:25:28 PM EDT
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Israel has submarines, if I recall correctly. I wouldn’t blame them if they used them.
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Because they are corrupt as hell lol. Is this even a question at this point?
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Because they are corrupt as hell lol. Is this even a question at this point?
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why TF do Democrats kiss the fucking Iranians ass so much? seriously?


Because they are corrupt as hell lol. Is this even a question at this point?


so they are getting the money kicked bac, to them?
Link Posted: 4/14/2024 6:27:00 PM EDT
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Drag it out at least a week, but do fake runs to test their reaction.

Keep them on edge as long as possible till fatigue sits in.

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That works, too.
Link Posted: 4/14/2024 6:27:23 PM EDT
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Biden's handlers won't be very happy about that.

ETA: misread that. Thought he green lighted an Israeli retaliation.
Link Posted: 4/14/2024 6:28:51 PM EDT
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Wow, if that's true I just don't even know what to say...this is some kinda fucked-up bullshit going on here.

the mentioned article in the Jerusalem Post
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Wow, if that's true I just don't even know what to say...this is some kinda fucked-up bullshit going on here.

the mentioned article in the Jerusalem Post


So….”don’t cross this line” is a green light, but the “don’t” quote from last night was laughed at?
Link Posted: 4/14/2024 6:30:29 PM EDT
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Who knows what the details are. We're not part of that club. I just know down to my core at this point that the dems would be quite happy to see the whole world burn while they dance on our ashes while drinking glasses of champagne and laughing.

These people want us dead.
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Welcome fellow firearms enthusiast. Is there some point you'd like to make here? Perhaps a manifesto?
Link Posted: 4/14/2024 6:30:41 PM EDT
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IF and a big if, there is no strike back by Israel, you will be able to smell the biden and demrat stink no matter where you are. If somebody is getting paid off, you know who is involved.
Link Posted: 4/14/2024 6:35:16 PM EDT
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Was this airborne and downed in the Dead Sea area? Or "This is what a downed Iranian ballistic missile looks like in the Dead Sea area" when placed there?

The soil under the missile looks barely dislodged, as if the missile were lowered with a crane.  If it fell from any height I would imagine more soil disruption.

I am not on "X" so I have not read other comments.

Not commentary on the conflict, just this image/comment.
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Could have rolled into place. but yes i agree
Link Posted: 4/14/2024 6:36:18 PM EDT
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We could say that about trump when they basically did the same thing to our empty base.

Link Posted: 4/14/2024 6:39:47 PM EDT
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It isn't a movie, but the entire defense department is nothing but a political hammer.

So it is politics and has been for a very very long time.

Everything done since WW2 has been politics

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Attention on deck. Von Clausewitz will now tell us exactly who the real enemy is.

Von?

War is always political.

Link Posted: 4/14/2024 6:46:00 PM EDT
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The site here is kinda tricky. When you want to reply to someone, you actually use "quote", not "reply". That way we know what you are talking about.
Link Posted: 4/14/2024 6:48:51 PM EDT
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Attention on deck. Von Clausewitz will now tell us exactly who the real enemy is.

Von?

War is always political.

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It isn't a movie, but the entire defense department is nothing but a political hammer.

So it is politics and has been for a very very long time.

Everything done since WW2 has been politics

Fuck politics.



Attention on deck. Von Clausewitz will now tell us exactly who the real enemy is.

Von?

War is always political.



No what I am saying.

There is a difference between saying war is political and war is politics.

The objectives are different.

Link Posted: 4/14/2024 6:49:46 PM EDT
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hopefully whatever payback is, it includes taking out the entire Iranian navy. Shouldn't take more than an hour or so
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Tell him about the horses.
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I dunno, that’s a shitload of bass boats they gotta find first…
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Biden is evil. Playing both sides while funding both of them.
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Link Posted: 4/14/2024 6:53:23 PM EDT
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I know the guys can wear dresses now. Pretty much says it all.
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Netanyahu's reaction to biden asking him to stand down.

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Don't underestimate the Potato in Chief. Biden can, to an extent, dictate the terms of Israel's response by threatening to withhold $$$. Considering Israel received 5 billion in US aid in FY 22, Biden has some leverage. Being the shitbag that he is, I have no doubt he'll try and ram it up Israel's ass.
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My experience is that every "Persian" person I've met hates the Iranian government and wants the old days back.
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Thats my boss and all his Persian friends who come by the shop. My bosses entire family cannot return to Iran, they will be executed. They hate the Iranian government. And they are hardcore 2A advocates.

My boss told me a story before they fled. His family owned a textile business, he used to go with his dad to work and sometimes his dad would visit his customers and ask for payment for the textiles he had delivered but payment was late. One customer, in front of him, punched his dad in the face and made some crack about Jews and money. At the time he didn't understand why they couldn't go to the police.


My experience is that every "Persian" person I've met hates the Iranian government and wants the old days back.
An ex-girlfriend's stepfather was a refugee who escaped during the transition to theocratic rule back after the fall of the Shah. While he made it out, he had several relatives who'd been disappeared by the secret police.
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I disagree a bit but I'd rather not gum up the thread. A couple of quick points:

Agreed that Ukraine is fucked. For lots of reasons, none of which involve being pro- either combatant.

Who would have thought Israel would have been attacked by a country? Anyone who remembers when Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and a few lesser players attacked them en masse and individually over more than a decade.




You are right, I should have said in the last 20-30 years since US established itself as the premier/only superpower in the world.  

We will see how serious Israel is about striking back by what they do in Gaza over the next few weeks.  They need to finish up there, because if they decide to hurt Iran in any meaningful way they will be fighting Hezbollah and don't need Hamas still capable on the other side of the country.  Israel's tactical situation is shit right now and this is why i think they will be very restrained.  Iran has boots on the ground on their borders (Hezbollah, Syria) and they don't.  

Again, the worst part is that Biden went out and said don't and they did.  How do you think this plays in Taiwan?  Iran didn't listen, why would China?  Is Taiwan a closer ally than Israel?  Is anybody?  

It's a fucked up situation.  I am sure the news are going to be desperately trying to convince the world this was a great victory but color me skeptic.  

If I had to bet I'd say that the Biden administration made some kind of deal with Iran, along the lines of "do an attack to save face, we'll help shoot it down so Israel doesn't get hurt, and then we'll prevent Israel from retaliating". The whole thing feels a bit orchestrated.



NEW: Joe Biden Green-Lit Iran's Attack on Israel

https://redstate.com/bonchie/2024/04/14/new-joe-biden-green-lit-irans-attack-on-israel-n2172744


So it’s a show. He brokers a “war” that harms few and enriches his buddies. Pure win for the potato.
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USC grad.
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Biden's handlers won't be very happy about that.

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Biden's handlers won't be very happy about that.

ETA: misread that. Thought he green lighted an Israeli retaliation.


This was not Biden green lighting the attack.  This was Biden or whoever they handed the phone to telling Iran the "rules" as the US saw them. Essentially, a verbal version of the system that Israel and Hezbollah have had in place since 2000.  It's a basic agreement of what, how, and who can be attacked without an overwhelming counterstrike.  The "rules" have worked surprisingly well, the only exceptions being the 2006 war and since Oct 2023.

Link to a paper written for an Israeli think tank about the Israeli-Hezbollah "rules" in case you think I'm making it up. Duck-duck-go "Hezbollah IDF rules" for yourself to find even more.
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They will be hitting proxies in Lebanon and Syria , not Iran
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A coworkers father was in the Iranian army under the Shah. Coworker said he was a Major I believe it was. He or his family can never go back. The coworker said he would love to go and see his ancestral home. But they can never return under the current regime there.
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Saw this posted on a few feeds.  Probably bullshit, but who knows.

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Would it really be any different than target practice? I mean, nobody was shooting at them, and I assume those drones were so slow they'd get multiple passes anyway, and that's if they just used guns on them.
Link Posted: 4/14/2024 7:12:34 PM EDT
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Joe told Iran to "limit" their strike to 200 missiles?

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Turkey needs to get the fuck out of nato
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Saw this posted on a few feeds.  Probably bullshit, but who knows.

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Bad ass
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Bathe her and bring her to me. ??
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Biden is evil. Playing both sides while funding both of them.
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Biden's handlers won't be very happy about that.

ETA: misread that. Thought he green lighted an Israeli retaliation.



Biden is evil. Playing both sides while funding both of them.

The Man upstairs will have a discussion with him some day about his actions
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Take that command ship in the Persian Gulf out
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Defense of Israel Activities Update

On April 13 and the morning of April 14, U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM) forces, supported by U.S. European Command destroyers, successfully engaged and destroyed more than 80 one-way attack uncrewed aerial vehicles (OWA UAV) and at least six ballistic missiles intended to strike Israel from Iran and Yemen.

This includes a ballistic missile on its launcher vehicle and seven UAVs destroyed on the ground in Iranian-backed Houthi controlled areas of Yemen prior to their launch.

Iran's continued unprecedented, malign, and reckless behavior endangers regional stability and the safety of U.S. and coalition forces.

CENTCOM remains postured to support Israel’s defense against these dangerous actions by Iran. We will continue to work with all our regional partners to increase regional security.
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We also greenlit the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait and then killed thousands of Iraqis when it turned out to have been a politically unpopular move.
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That’s a piss poor reason. Sorry it bothers you so much I have a difference of opinion on foreign affairs that you think I never contributed anything and I shouldn’t be here.
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Defense of Israel Activities Update

On April 13 and the morning of April 14, U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM) forces, supported by U.S. European Command destroyers, successfully engaged and destroyed more than 80 one-way attack uncrewed aerial vehicles (OWA UAV) and at least six ballistic missiles intended to strike Israel from Iran and Yemen.

This includes a ballistic missile on its launcher vehicle and seven UAVs destroyed on the ground in Iranian-backed Houthi controlled areas of Yemen prior to their launch.

Iran's continued unprecedented, malign, and reckless behavior endangers regional stability and the safety of U.S. and coalition forces.

CENTCOM remains postured to support Israel’s defense against these dangerous actions by Iran. We will continue to work with all our regional partners to increase regional security.
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Support Israel’s defense within the “limits” of our agreement with Iran.
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