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Posted: 6/18/2020 3:39:17 PM EST
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Posted: 6/18/2020 3:45:35 PM EST
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Quote History“This is not an organized thing, it’s not a blue flu, it’s not a strike, it’s nothing like that." LOL, it's exactly like that. But he won't say it's like that because they are all fireable offenses. Refusing to answer your radio, refusing to come into work because of a protest reason, walking offsite and sitting in your personal vehicle rather than your squad car or desk job, whatever your assignment is, etc. We'll see what the Mayor and CoP do. |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 3:49:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Even though I actually managed IBEW, MW, PF, etc. unions for over two decades all across North America? Yeah, I don't know how people work.  What else you got? So tell me, do you think that Rolfe will be sent to prison? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I actually believe you're a computer engineer though, because you don't seem to grasp how people work. Even though I actually managed IBEW, MW, PF, etc. unions for over two decades all across North America? Yeah, I don't know how people work. What else you got? So tell me, do you think that Rolfe will be sent to prison? I see. So workers cant have their own views or ownership of themselves - its all for the union to decide what they do. fuckyouall. im a free man. if i decide its not worth it that day for me to go to work, i dont. whothefuck are you to tell me what to do? yes I realize I may face disciplinary action. doitfaggot. oh you dont like that all of us all of a sudden dont like whats going on? ok fire us all then asshole. if you think you can politically get away with it. |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 3:49:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's how ours was but the pension doesn't decline after you hit 20, guys who stay to 25 get more. Not sure where the point is where you're losing money because I wasn't staying past 20 and never looked into it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So if you hire in at 20, have a 20 year retirement (which people here tell me that cops have to take or it declines every year swiftly after that), that you'll have full government healthcare for another 25 years after you quit? SRSLY? That's how ours was but the pension doesn't decline after you hit 20, guys who stay to 25 get more. Not sure where the point is where you're losing money because I wasn't staying past 20 and never looked into it. A former co-worker of mine retired when he finally realized he was only making $5 an hour by staying on. That was before he even figured in his SS. |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 3:52:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It has been my experience, on this site and others, that arguing with engineers is often pointless. Indeed, when exchanging opinions with a particularly pedantic poster, I will sometimes ask whether he/she is a mechanical/structural engineer. Often, one will get a surprised "Well, mechanical, but how did you know?" Engineers are linear thinkers and often do not have the ability to imagine walking in shoes other than their own or considering opinions which they don't currently hold. Example: I have a brother-in-law who is a brilliant and skilled mechanical engineer. Heck, he worked for the Navy as a civilian on fast-attack subs. Good guy, loves his family and supports them in every way. I am filled with filial love for that man. But, he also knows exactly how to fix the school system, what's wrong with the criminal justice system, and precisely why the pancakes are better at the IHOP 15 minutes away than the one around the corner. He knows everything about everything and would never be persuaded otherwise. After a while one should simply nod and say "oh, that's interesting, what are the concrete steps you are taking to persuade the legislature about your world-changing plan?" That will generally stop the bloviating. Or, one can do the Grandma thing and say "that's nice dear." But, continuing to engage someone who is constitutionally unable to side-step their own biases, experiences and conclusions is IMO foolish. Not that I haven't admittedly engaged in such tom-foolery from time to time. In conclusion, while the slide has been pretty entertaining, CAN SOMEONE GIVE US AN UPDATE ON WHETHER ATLANTA IS GOING TO BURN??!! If the Emory law school burns down, though my alma... I will shed no tears. |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 3:54:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wait. You're a lawyer and YOU have the balls to complain about engineers being opinionated? LOL. Lawyers are the most insufferable know-it-alls around, with the possible exception of PhDs. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It has been my experience, on this site and others, that arguing with engineers is often pointless. Indeed, when exchanging opinions with a particularly pedantic poster, I will sometimes ask whether he/she is a mechanical/structural engineer. Often, one will get a surprised "Well, mechanical, but how did you know?" Engineers are linear thinkers and often do not have the ability to imagine walking in shoes other than their own or considering opinions which they don't currently hold. Example: I have a brother-in-law who is a brilliant and skilled mechanical engineer. Heck, he worked for the Navy as a civilian on fast-attack subs. Good guy, loves his family and supports them in every way. I am filled with filial love for that man. But, he also knows exactly how to fix the school system, what's wrong with the criminal justice system, and precisely why the pancakes are better at the IHOP 15 minutes away than the one around the corner. He knows everything about everything and would never be persuaded otherwise. After a while one should simply nod and say "oh, that's interesting, what are the concrete steps you are taking to persuade the legislature about your world-changing plan?" That will generally stop the bloviating. Or, one can do the Grandma thing and say "that's nice dear." But, continuing to engage someone who is constitutionally unable to side-step their own biases, experiences and conclusions is IMO foolish. Not that I haven't admittedly engaged in such tom-foolery from time to time. In conclusion, while the slide has been pretty entertaining, CAN SOMEONE GIVE US AN UPDATE ON WHETHER ATLANTA IS GOING TO BURN??!! If the Emory law school burns down, though my alma... I will shed no tears. Truth! [Some are OK tho] And there's a lot more categories too. |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 4:00:12 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And if that happened in the engineering world the engineer would refuse to design to those specifications. He may get fired, but he would refuse. So again, what am I missing? Resign and move on to a different place that won't tell you to design an unsafe bridge. If you worked for the City engineer's office, and you thought the mayor and the city engineer were almost certainly going to get people killed due to fundamentally dangerous designs (not just borderline shit, but stuff that is 100%, engineering 101 level, demonstrably wrong), you are telling me you'd quietly walk away rather than do everything in your power to get them to understand and/or admit to the danger that they creating? Are you telling me that if you walked away, you wouldn't go to the media, or friendly politicians, or even a responsible citizen and report the danger so they can investigate it further? Cops cant, cause the media is against them, politicians are afraid to support them, and citizens will be ignored, so this is their only option. |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 4:01:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're 63, right? You've spent the bulk of your career at a desk, probably working M-F and some hours equivalent of 9-5. Looking back, you can say where did the years go, no matter how many hours a week you work. Hindsight always compresses the passage of time. Quote HistoryQuoted: You're 63, right? You've spent the bulk of your career at a desk, probably working M-F and some hours equivalent of 9-5. Looking back, you can say where did the years go, no matter how many hours a week you work. Hindsight always compresses the passage of time. Nope. Ten years electrician in the steel industry. Ten years electrician in the automotive industry. Twenty five years engineer (top of class, by the way--HKN and TBP). I pretty much worked 6-7 days a week my entire life. I worked a lot of 7 days a week in my second decade, and in fact when I went back to school I was working 62 hours a week, 6 days 9 hours, then only 8 hours on Sunday. Studying engineering. While raising three kids pretty much by myself. Oh, and one (black) kid my son brought home because his grandparents didn't want him anymore. I raised him during his senior year of high school along with my other three kids. After I became a Project Manager I worked M-F 8 hour days planning the project, but 7 days a week 12 hours a day executing it. Sometimes for months on end. Living out of some hotel in OH or KY or WI or TN or MO or IN or KS or ... Real glamorous.  Law enforcement is not a M-F 9-5 job. It just isn't. I spent most of my prime working years working 60-80 hours a week between the various jobs. It wears on anyone. No matter how much you love the career. See above. |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 4:01:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wait. You're a lawyer and YOU have the balls to complain about engineers being opinionated? LOL. Lawyers are the most insufferable know-it-alls around, with the possible exception of PhDs. Oh, I completely agree. I am an insufferable ass. This does not, however, address my argued for position. You have committed the logical fallacy of tu quoque. Look it up, the Greeks 5 centuries ago knew your utterance as absolute garbage as an argument. Hang your head in shame for you know nothing of logic. 
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Posted: 6/18/2020 4:02:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dude.... you're a code monkey. Nothing more and nothing less. The most combative person you'll ever deal with the the H1B Visa Holder that will replace you when he throws a curry scented box and says "get the fuck out of MY OFFICE, I'm the Computer Engineer now!" And you'll skedaddle. 
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Posted: 6/18/2020 4:03:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you worked for the City engineer's office, and you thought the mayor and the city engineer were almost certainly going to get people killed due to fundamentally dangerous designs (not just borderline shit, but stuff that is 100%, engineering 101 level, demonstrably wrong), you are telling me you'd quietly walk away rather than do everything in your power to get them to understand and/or admit to the danger that they creating? Are you telling me that if you walked away, you wouldn't go to the media, or friendly politicians, or even a responsible citizen and report the danger so they can investigate it further? Cops cant, cause the media is against them, politicians are afraid to support them, and citizens will be ignored, so this is their only option. Great post as usual. Skillful analogy, using the opponent's language. Well done. |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 4:08:39 PM EST
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Welp you should probably change the thread title on this one....
 Since it's not what this threads about anymore |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 4:08:44 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He'd shifted over to just architecture until his area had four back to back hurricanes and he could make bank reviewing reconstruction plans, so he renewed his engineering license. I remember helping set up a new plotter for him and he said if it only lasted him a year it would have more than paid for itself. He's still going strong, although hopefully they've yanked his drivers license, not bad for a guy who earned his engineering degree in three years during WW2, was at Bikini, and was the site complex engineer at Kennedy for most of Gemini and up through Apollo 10. NASA decided to move mission control to Houston, so the second time they went to him to layoff his people, he left too. That's cool. Dude is doing what he loves, what he wants to do. Living life on his terms, as best as he can given his age. Getting old is not for pussies. I've been told that. I'm about to find it out I think. We'll see how I am in ten years. |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 4:10:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But by the time one is that old they are command, so not fighting meth monkeys. Even at 45 years of age, you are at least a sergeant, right? Uh no. Not everyone wants to be command. Their are master deputy/officer career paths. |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 4:10:54 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Great post as usual. Skillful analogy, using the opponent's language. Well done. Being an engineer in a private company is different than working for the government. If you work for the government and you have evidence of bad shit that is going to get people killed, walking away and not doing everything in your power to bring it to light could be a dangerous strategy. God forbid if you ever sent an email to your boss about it, got rebuffed, and then dropped the topic. If there ever is a FOIA request done after the "collapse" or whatever bad shit is going to happen, you could be contacted as to why you remained silent even though there was a clear and present danger. "Because my boss told me to" is not going to be a good answer. Its one thing if your boss disagrees with the engineering principles involved an comes to a different conclusion than you, and you were swayed by this reasoning. Its another if they say "fuck the facts, this is politically more acceptable, forget about it". That becomes a problem. |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 4:11:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Even back in 2008, one third of APD's recruit class had criminal records. What kind of criminal record? Smoking pot when you are 16 is one thing, but B&E or auto theft? |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 4:13:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Exactly. And in this instance, the cops are telling the mayor and D.A. that they won't do their job the way the mayor and D.A. want them to. Put another way, they're refusing to design that bridge to "those specifications." Yes, they may get fired, but they're still objecting to perform unsafe work. Get it now? |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 4:14:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Stipulated. Ahem: CAN SOMEONE GIVE US AN UPDATE ON WHETHER ATLANTA IS GOING TO BURN??!! If the Emory law school burns down, though my alma... I will shed no tears Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: But arfcom tells me these cops move from agency to agency and are called gypsies. I don't know, don't be a cop? Be a physician or nuclear scientist or something else, not a cop I guess if you think it is so bad. Stipulated. Ahem: CAN SOMEONE GIVE US AN UPDATE ON WHETHER ATLANTA IS GOING TO BURN??!! If the Emory law school burns down, though my alma... I will shed no tears We don't know yet. The city is still denying that enough officers have called off to impact service levels, but last night the scanner was carrying traffic about not responding to 911 calls and not initiating any actions, and there are rumors that a significant chunk of day shift didn't show up today. |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 4:16:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What kind of criminal record? Smoking pot when you are 16 is one thing, but B&E or auto theft? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Even back in 2008, one third of APD's recruit class had criminal records. What kind of criminal record? Smoking pot when you are 16 is one thing, but B&E or auto theft? The AJC article that ExTorris previously posted didn't specify, other than that it went up to and including assault. |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 4:22:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We don't know yet. The city is still denying that enough officers have called off to impact service levels, but last night the scanner was carrying traffic about not responding to 911 calls and not initiating any actions, and there are rumors that a significant chunk of day shift didn't show up today. |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 4:27:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is perhaps the best post of the year. You win the internets. A statue will be erected in your honor at the Shitposting Hall of Fame.  And it will then be torn down by Antifa leftists because they perceive it to be racist, whether it is or not. I hope it hits one on the head and makes him a candidate for coloring books every Christmas. |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 4:33:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It has been my experience, on this site and others, that arguing with engineers is often pointless. Indeed, when exchanging opinions with a particularly pedantic poster, I will sometimes ask whether he/she is a mechanical/structural engineer. Often, one will get a surprised "Well, mechanical, but how did you know?" Engineers are linear thinkers and often do not have the ability to imagine walking in shoes other than their own or considering opinions which they don't currently hold. Example: I have a brother-in-law who is a brilliant and skilled mechanical engineer. Heck, he worked for the Navy as a civilian on fast-attack subs. Good guy, loves his family and supports them in every way. I am filled with filial love for that man. But, he also knows exactly how to fix the school system, what's wrong with the criminal justice system, and precisely why the pancakes are better at the IHOP 15 minutes away than the one around the corner. He knows everything about everything and would never be persuaded otherwise. After a while one should simply nod and say "oh, that's interesting, what are the concrete steps you are taking to persuade the legislature about your world-changing plan?" That will generally stop the bloviating. Or, one can do the Grandma thing and say "that's nice dear." But, continuing to engage someone who is constitutionally unable to side-step their own biases, experiences and conclusions is IMO foolish. Not that I haven't admittedly engaged in such tom-foolery from time to time. In conclusion, while the slide has been pretty entertaining, CAN SOMEONE GIVE US AN UPDATE ON WHETHER ATLANTA IS GOING TO BURN??!! If the Emory law school burns down, though my alma... I will shed no tears. As a mechanical engineer, I’d say you described 75% of the people in the profession pretty well. |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 4:35:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Exactly. And in this instance, the cops are telling the mayor and D.A. that they won't do their job the way the mayor and D.A. want them to. Put another way, they're refusing to design that bridge to "those specifications." Yes, they may get fired, but they're still objecting to perform unsafe work. Get it now? So they are refusing to do anything because they may get in trouble for it? Actually I hadn't thought about it that way. Oh, now this will be interesting. But again, my point is the engineer quits and moves on before he's fired. Your bet is that the city can't afford to fire too many cops so they end up getting their way. I'm not exactly sure what their demands are since I haven't seen a written list of them with a hostage dressed in an orange jumpsuit sitting in front of the FOP/PBA flag, so how does this end? Does the DA have to retract all the charges? Do the cops expect this to happen? What is the endgame here? Help me out. |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 4:39:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm 57. My Guard time was concurrent to my other jobs. My deployment time allows me to draw earlier than I would have otherwise. The ex gets roughly a third of the state pension. She'll get half of the military pension once I start drawing that I got to keep the various IRAs, deferred compensation, TSP accounts in exchange for my part of the house value at the time of divorce. The part time gig replaces what I lose to the ex, or was meant to. Covid-19 threw a wrench into that plan, and I retired a year sooner than I had planned because the part time job was an option that wouldn't be available a year later. I just sat in on the virtual briefing for retiring from the retired reserve as a grey area soldier and start drawing the military pension. I'd forgotten how much I disliked military death by PowerPoint... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: And in another post you said you will be taking tricare, and I think you said you had a mil pension that your ex got some of. So lets see, 20 years mil to get a pension then 32 years as a cop. Math is hard but that seems like your very old, unless you got a med discharge. How old are ? @tc556guy I'm 57. My Guard time was concurrent to my other jobs. My deployment time allows me to draw earlier than I would have otherwise. The ex gets roughly a third of the state pension. She'll get half of the military pension once I start drawing that I got to keep the various IRAs, deferred compensation, TSP accounts in exchange for my part of the house value at the time of divorce. The part time gig replaces what I lose to the ex, or was meant to. Covid-19 threw a wrench into that plan, and I retired a year sooner than I had planned because the part time job was an option that wouldn't be available a year later. I just sat in on the virtual briefing for retiring from the retired reserve as a grey area soldier and start drawing the military pension. I'd forgotten how much I disliked military death by PowerPoint... Damn dude..... 
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Posted: 6/18/2020 4:39:54 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's how ours was but the pension doesn't decline after you hit 20, guys who stay to 25 get more. Not sure where the point is where you're losing money because I wasn't staying past 20 and never looked into it. That's what cops here told me. They were fully vested at 20 years but the longer they stayed the less they got because their pension decreased. Didn't make any sense to me but I don't accuse people of lying. Especially since it was government pension, I had no idea how that was set up. |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 4:43:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Whether you agree or not...you have no clue how people work. It's a damn good thing you aren't in a field that requires it. Id love to interview some of your subordinates from over the years. Although my field doesn't require it, it helps. And I do. Before I was a PM I was a supervisor. I stood up for my guys. And of course I was a blue collar worker for twenty years. But yeah, I have no idea. So tell me, do you think that Rolfe will be sent to prison? |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 4:44:05 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But by the time one is that old they are command, so not fighting meth monkeys. Even at 45 years of age, you are at least a sergeant, right? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Because 65 year old bodies don't fare well with chasing and fighting with 25 year old meth monkeys fresh out of prison. But by the time one is that old they are command, so not fighting meth monkeys. Even at 45 years of age, you are at least a sergeant, right? Depends on the department, quite a few small town's Chief of Police do most what the officers that are below them do including patrol duty. |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 4:45:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wait. You're a lawyer and YOU have the balls to complain about engineers being opinionated? LOL. Lawyers are the most insufferable know-it-alls around, with the possible exception of PhDs. Besides, I was a navy nuke on submarines, am now a mechanical engineer, and I'm wrong all the fucking time
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Posted: 6/18/2020 4:45:48 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In the liberal utopia of Atlanta? He could absolutely do prison time. In a place not afraid of CNN, absolutely not. Thank you. Finally an answer. He's not in Montana. He's in Atlanta, GA. So prison? |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 4:48:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You don't automatically get promoted. I worked with two cops who retired as patrolman in their early 60s. Well, no, not automatically. That would be retarded. But you work and take tests and interview and stuff. There should be some sort of forward direction in one's career I would think. |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 4:48:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So they are refusing to do anything because they may get in trouble for it? Actually I hadn't thought about it that way. Oh, now this will be interesting. But again, my point is the engineer quits and moves on before he's fired. Your bet is that the city can't afford to fire too many cops so they end up getting their way. I'm not exactly sure what their demands are since I haven't seen a written list of them with a hostage dressed in an orange jumpsuit sitting in front of the FOP/PBA flag, so how does this end? Does the DA have to retract all the charges? Do the cops expect this to happen? What is the endgame here? Help me out. |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 4:48:40 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Dude.... you're a code monkey. Nothing more and nothing less. The most combative person you'll ever deal with the the H1B Visa Holder that will replace you when he throws a curry scented box and says "get the fuck out of MY OFFICE, I'm the Computer Engineer now!" And you'll skedaddle. 
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Posted: 6/18/2020 4:52:19 PM EST
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Local paper has article Atlanta Police Department denies reports of massive officer walkout
But I was listening to Atlanta zone 4 scanner feed last night, was very quiet. That could mean anything, but it was VERY quiet. Like one voice every 15 minutes or so. |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 4:53:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Although my field doesn't require it, it helps. And I do. Before I was a PM I was a supervisor. I stood up for my guys. And of course I was a blue collar worker for twenty years. But yeah, I have no idea. So tell me, do you think that Rolfe will be sent to prison? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Whether you agree or not...you have no clue how people work. It's a damn good thing you aren't in a field that requires it. Id love to interview some of your subordinates from over the years. Although my field doesn't require it, it helps. And I do. Before I was a PM I was a supervisor. I stood up for my guys. And of course I was a blue collar worker for twenty years. But yeah, I have no idea. So tell me, do you think that Rolfe will be sent to prison? And no, plain and simple you have no clue how people work you have demonstrated that numerous times in this thread. You will never believe this because that is how you are wired. And there can't possibly be an alternate explanation to anything you don't comprehend. People like that can be dangerous to themselves and the public, which is why you have public safety to coddle and spoon feed them. You would not last a day having to solve problems for random people on the street. Not even if you were trained to the max. Your thought process won't allow it as demonstrated by all your posts and questions and redirects to how you were right. Good luck man. |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 4:54:37 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Damn dude..... It never fails to shock me when I see how women get over on men in divorces. Shit is just downright depressing
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Posted: 6/18/2020 4:54:55 PM EST
[#36]
What the fuck guys ... I'm about ready to drive to Atlanta myself and set something on fire to get this thread back on track  Would somebody please light up a bowl and play with their cat, or film somebody running a dirty protester over. Geez. |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 4:55:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thank you. Finally an answer. He's not in Montana. He's in Atlanta, GA. So prison? You don't have an answer for your question until its all over. It just isn't available. The variables are all over the place and nothing is right about what is going down. |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 4:56:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, no, not automatically. That would be retarded. But you work and take tests and interview and stuff. There should be some sort of forward direction in one's career I would think. Not everybody thinks like you. That is what is blowing your mind and causing all your confusion. You can't grasp it. |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 4:57:05 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's a nice answer. Most cops paramedics and firefights enjoy it. I don't think you fully understand how people are wired. You get too old to do these jobs quick. It's a combination of physical AND MENTAL. If you don't think the Mental part is real come try. And it's not that we go crazy. You can really only see so many decapitated people or be told you are piece of shit by criminals so many times. That shit adds up. It manifests itself in high blood pressure, type 2 diabetes, and heart disease among others. I am an exception at 28.5 years. I'll be here another couple years. Most don't make it that long. My Dad graduated the PA State Police Academy in 1965. He was a cop for 30 years. Had a heart attack in 1995 which forced him into disability. He died 6 years later in 2001 of another massive heart attack. He rarely spoke of the horrors of the job... but sometimes did to scare some common sense into me and my 3 younger brothers. Broken and dismembered bodies of teen kids of lifelong friends... toddlers dying in his arms... CPR on obviously too far gone victims as a courtesy to the family members watching in horror hoping for a miracle. The list goes on and on. Unfortunately the common person never sees or hears about the horrors of being a cop... only when one is put in the spotlight. I still have a brother who has been a cop now for about 18-19 years. Hes already talking about retirement. I hope he gets out before the job gets the best of him. |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 4:57:27 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wait. You're a lawyer and YOU have the balls to complain about engineers being opinionated? LOL. Lawyers are the most insufferable know-it-alls around, with the possible exception of PhDs. People who think they know everything really annoy those of us who do. |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 4:59:09 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What the fuck guys ... I'm about ready to drive to Atlanta myself and set something on fire to get this thread back on track Would somebody please light up a bowl and play with their cat, or film somebody running a dirty protester over. Geez. Just take a dab, and go back and relive the glory of PAGE 21
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Posted: 6/18/2020 4:59:10 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope. Ten years electrician in the steel industry. Ten years electrician in the automotive industry. Twenty five years engineer (top of class, by the way--HKN and TBP). I pretty much worked 6-7 days a week my entire life. I worked a lot of 7 days a week in my second decade, and in fact when I went back to school I was working 62 hours a week, 6 days 9 hours, then only 8 hours on Sunday. Studying engineering. While raising three kids pretty much by myself. Oh, and one (black) kid my son brought home because his grandparents didn't want him anymore. I raised him during his senior year of high school along with my other three kids. After I became a Project Manager I worked M-F 8 hour days planning the project, but 7 days a week 12 hours a day executing it. Sometimes for months on end. Living out of some hotel in OH or KY or WI or TN or MO or IN or KS or ... Real glamorous. See above. How many times did you deal with dead kids? That’s the shit that stays with me. |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 4:59:32 PM EST
[#43]
500 Calls abandoned. That is just a normal summer night after the monthly welfare checks hit the accounts.
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Posted: 6/18/2020 4:59:49 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope. Ten years electrician in the steel industry. Ten years electrician in the automotive industry. Twenty five years engineer (top of class, by the way--HKN and TBP). I pretty much worked 6-7 days a week my entire life. I worked a lot of 7 days a week in my second decade, and in fact when I went back to school I was working 62 hours a week, 6 days 9 hours, then only 8 hours on Sunday. Studying engineering. While raising three kids pretty much by myself. Oh, and one (black) kid my son brought home because his grandparents didn't want him anymore. I raised him during his senior year of high school along with my other three kids. After I became a Project Manager I worked M-F 8 hour days planning the project, but 7 days a week 12 hours a day executing it. Sometimes for months on end. Living out of some hotel in OH or KY or WI or TN or MO or IN or KS or ... Real glamorous. See above. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You're 63, right? You've spent the bulk of your career at a desk, probably working M-F and some hours equivalent of 9-5. Looking back, you can say where did the years go, no matter how many hours a week you work. Hindsight always compresses the passage of time. Nope. Ten years electrician in the steel industry. Ten years electrician in the automotive industry. Twenty five years engineer (top of class, by the way--HKN and TBP). I pretty much worked 6-7 days a week my entire life. I worked a lot of 7 days a week in my second decade, and in fact when I went back to school I was working 62 hours a week, 6 days 9 hours, then only 8 hours on Sunday. Studying engineering. While raising three kids pretty much by myself. Oh, and one (black) kid my son brought home because his grandparents didn't want him anymore. I raised him during his senior year of high school along with my other three kids. After I became a Project Manager I worked M-F 8 hour days planning the project, but 7 days a week 12 hours a day executing it. Sometimes for months on end. Living out of some hotel in OH or KY or WI or TN or MO or IN or KS or ... Real glamorous. Law enforcement is not a M-F 9-5 job. It just isn't. I spent most of my prime working years working 60-80 hours a week between the various jobs. It wears on anyone. No matter how much you love the career. See above. Ill double check but my dad, a ME, wasn't getting in fights, bit, punched, spit on, carrying a 10lbs belt, or chasing criminals over fences, etc while wearing armor. A 60 hour work week isnt bad when you're not actually working. |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 5:00:03 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If you worked for the City engineer's office, and you thought the mayor and the city engineer were almost certainly going to get people killed due to fundamentally dangerous designs (not just borderline shit, but stuff that is 100%, engineering 101 level, demonstrably wrong), you are telling me you'd quietly walk away rather than do everything in your power to get them to understand and/or admit to the danger that they creating? Are you telling me that if you walked away, you wouldn't go to the media, or friendly politicians, or even a responsible citizen and report the danger so they can investigate it further? Cops cant, cause the media is against them, politicians are afraid to support them, and citizens will be ignored, so this is their only option. No, obviously your telling them is your refusal because it is unsafe. If I was fired or had to quit, and if I saw a bridge being built unsafely, you bet I would say something. |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 5:00:40 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My Dad graduated the PA State Police Academy in 1965. He was a cop for 30 years. Had a heart attack in 1995 which forced him into disability. He died 6 years later in 2001 of another massive heart attack. He rarely spoke of the horrors of the job... but sometimes did to scare some common sense into me and my 3 younger brothers. Broken and dismembered bodies of teen kids of lifelong friends... toddlers dying in his arms... CPR on obviously too far gone victims as a courtesy to the family members watching in horror hoping for a miracle. The list goes on and on. Unfortunately the common person never sees or hears about the horrors of being a cop... only when one is put in the spotlight. I still have a brother who has been a cop now for about 18-19 years. Hes already talking about retirement. I hope he gets out before the job gets the best of him. Good on him for his service. |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 5:02:06 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ill double check but my dad, a ME, wasn't getting in fights, bit, punched, spit on, carrying a 10lbs belt, or chasing criminals over fences, etc while wearing armor. A 60 hour work week isnt bad when you're not actually working. |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 5:02:07 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Welp you should probably change the thread title on this one.... Since it's not what this threads about anymore We could talk about prog rock or Tomita, would that help? |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 5:02:53 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's what cops here told me. They were fully vested at 20 years but the longer they stayed the less they got because their pension decreased. Didn't make any sense to me but I don't accuse people of lying. Especially since it was government pension, I had no idea how that was set up. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That's how ours was but the pension doesn't decline after you hit 20, guys who stay to 25 get more. Not sure where the point is where you're losing money because I wasn't staying past 20 and never looked into it. That's what cops here told me. They were fully vested at 20 years but the longer they stayed the less they got because their pension decreased. Didn't make any sense to me but I don't accuse people of lying. Especially since it was government pension, I had no idea how that was set up. Link? |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 5:03:02 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm an engineer as well, so, fight fire with fire. Being an engineer in a private company is different than working for the government. If you work for the government and you have evidence of bad shit that is going to get people killed, walking away and not doing everything in your power to bring it to light could be a dangerous strategy. God forbid if you ever sent an email to your boss about it, got rebuffed, and then dropped the topic. If there ever is a FOIA request done after the "collapse" or whatever bad shit is going to happen, you could be contacted as to why you remained silent even though there was a clear and present danger. "Because my boss told me to" is not going to be a good answer. Its one thing if your boss disagrees with the engineering principles involved an comes to a different conclusion than you, and you were swayed by this reasoning. Its another if they say "fuck the facts, this is politically more acceptable, forget about it". That becomes a problem. Yeah, you are the exception that proves the rule. There are engineers who are polymaths. By your posts, I take you to be one of these vanishingly rare and valuable people. You bring a lot to the table and should post more. |
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