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Posted: 6/18/2020 2:25:00 PM EST
[#1]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm trying to figure out how to answer this without a CoC violation. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: When is the last time you had to go hands on with a customer, knowing that if it didn't go right, you could be charged with murder? I'm trying to figure out how to answer this without a CoC violation. Simple Point out how the big dick of the Justice system that they are currently crying about would come down on you just for “going hands on”. I am done working under multiple sets of rules and being told that I have to follow the strictest one |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 2:26:07 PM EST
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Fuck them and fuck the entitled children with this opinion that think you get to demand someone be put in jeopardy of life in prison for your MMQB read of a deadly force incident in the most biased light possible. They don’t have to come to work to help you. You got the answers. Get it fucking done yourself. So then the entire ATL PD resigns? I'm okay with that. That will teach everyone a lesson. |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 2:31:27 PM EST
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You do what you enjoy. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: My grandfather didn't stop doing engineering work until his eyes got too bad in his late '80's to read the plans, even blowing them up on a monitor. You do what you enjoy. I don't think you fully understand how people are wired. You get too old to do these jobs quick. It's a combination of physical AND MENTAL. If you don't think the Mental part is real come try. And it's not that we go crazy. You can really only see so many decapitated people or be told you are piece of shit by criminals so many times. That shit adds up. It manifests itself in high blood pressure, type 2 diabetes, and heart disease among others. I am an exception at 28.5 years. I'll be here another couple years. Most don't make it that long. |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 2:32:15 PM EST
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My grandfather didn't stop doing engineering work until his eyes got too bad in his late '80's to read the plans, even blowing them up on a monitor. We lost my mother in her early 70s to cancer in 2012. My dad, a classic type A personality, spent a lifetime in various business ventures until he had three strokes at 79 I was recently visiting him and he expressed regrets for not stopping working while my mother was alive and they were both in good health and could enjoy a few good years together. I've always believed in learning from the mistakes of others. It's easier that way. Stuff like that has a big impression on me. I know an officer who's still working in his 80s in another state. I know another local officer still working in his 70s. There comes a time to hang up the gun belt and live life. I have a definite end date for what I'm doing, and the plans after that. People who can't give up working are a somewhat sad thing to see. |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 2:32:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Only ONE person is responsible for that death... ... and it wasn't either of the Cops they charged...  Truth. Brooks bought and paid for his death with his own mouth, hands and feet. Period |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 2:34:27 PM EST
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll wager that 90% of those "hundreds" won't make the first cut, can't pass the written test, physical exam or criminal background check. The rest will meet the paper qualifications only. You won't see many college grads or those with 3-10 years military service. Many looking for the blue welfare check. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Let's see you deal with the welfare rats for 45 years. I've known a couple of guys flying a desk job who had to be dragged into retirement. Law enforcement is a young persons game that's hard on the officers personal life and hard on the body. There comes a time when most of us who don't define ourselves by the job want to step back and live the life we've had to put on hold for so many years Fair enough. Then why become a cop in the first place? It's not like you don't know what you signed up for. People can't wait to be a cop, then can't wait until they quit. Someone here recently said their city has hundreds of applications for every ten or twenty slots. I'll wager that 90% of those "hundreds" won't make the first cut, can't pass the written test, physical exam or criminal background check. The rest will meet the paper qualifications only. You won't see many college grads or those with 3-10 years military service. Many looking for the blue welfare check. After our initial physical agility/rapid panel interview we have 40 left. None of those have had backgrounds, psych, or chief interview. But hey there are hundreds waiting. |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 2:35:40 PM EST
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: But by the time one is that old they are command, so not fighting meth monkeys. Even at 45 years of age, you are at least a sergeant, right? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Because 65 year old bodies don't fare well with chasing and fighting with 25 year old meth monkeys fresh out of prison. But by the time one is that old they are command, so not fighting meth monkeys. Even at 45 years of age, you are at least a sergeant, right? At the rate of attrition is more like 5 years to be Sgt. |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 2:40:55 PM EST
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You do what you enjoy. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: My grandfather didn't stop doing engineering work until his eyes got too bad in his late '80's to read the plans, even blowing them up on a monitor. You do what you enjoy. |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 2:43:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: At the rate of attrition is more like 5 years to be Sgt. That really depends on where you fall into the promotion cycle with your years of service in relation to when supervisory promotions become available. Some supervisors stay in their positions for 20 years or more. The younger guys coming in behind them will age out before the guy sitting in the supervisor slot finally retires. And that slot will inevitably go to some younger officer with many working years left. The agency isn't going to go to the expense of sending an old but newly promoted supervisor to the various schools, etc in what will be the officers last couple of working years |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 2:43:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll wager that 90% of those "hundreds" won't make the first cut, can't pass the written test, physical exam or criminal background check. The rest will meet the paper qualifications only. You won't see many college grads or those with 3-10 years military service. Many looking for the blue welfare check. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Let's see you deal with the welfare rats for 45 years. I've known a couple of guys flying a desk job who had to be dragged into retirement. Law enforcement is a young persons game that's hard on the officers personal life and hard on the body. There comes a time when most of us who don't define ourselves by the job want to step back and live the life we've had to put on hold for so many years Fair enough. Then why become a cop in the first place? It's not like you don't know what you signed up for. People can't wait to be a cop, then can't wait until they quit. Someone here recently said their city has hundreds of applications for every ten or twenty slots. I'll wager that 90% of those "hundreds" won't make the first cut, can't pass the written test, physical exam or criminal background check. The rest will meet the paper qualifications only. You won't see many college grads or those with 3-10 years military service. Many looking for the blue welfare check. Even back in 2008, one third of APD's recruit class had criminal records. I've seen recruiting ads from several other area police forces encouraging officers who don't feel appreciated where they are to apply. |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 2:44:05 PM EST
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yup. If people can slide into positions where there is very little contact with the public, normal working hours and the pay is good, they'll stay longer. But, except for the rare areas that old guys can be station mouses, most people want out when they can, and are able too. This is correct. I have found that once beyond entry level in these types of jobs, there are two paths for police/corrections/fire or any of these occupations, especially police and corrections, but possibly with fire in a larger city: 1) Start as entry level, STAY at an entry level rank and work into a good job, with weekends and holidays off, little contact with problem children and coast along... The down side? You are still entry level and your retirement will be less than a ranking officer, unless you are in an agency that allows substantial overtime to pad the retirement "five high years"...Problem is that this overtime is often harder to get if you are tucked off in a property room or somewhere similar. Plus that defeats the purpose of having a cushy job and schedule because to get the overtime, you have to get back on shift and the trenches...Most don't want to do that once they get that good job. 2) The ones that start at entry level, work their ass off to make rank and achieve the highest position they can... Upside is, the five high years of calculated retirement will be at a 40 hour week, (depending on department). The downside to this is as follows...Once you work your way to say, Corporal and get a good schedule, if you interview for Sergeant and get the position, then BOOM, back to third shit you go and the cycle repeats. Then as a Sergeant, you work into first/day shift and decide to interview for Lieutenant, third shift and cycle repeats. |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 2:44:44 PM EST
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You won't understand this, but I'll just throw it out there: What if you love your job? You love the people you serve? You truly want to be a force for good in their lives, and have done so for years or even decades? And then along comes some cocksucker of a prosecuting attorney, and an even greater cocksucker of a mayor, who unilaterally decide that you should be treated like a criminal for just doing that job you love? What if you don't WANT to relocate away from the places and people that you love? What if you would rather try to get rid of those two cocksuckers who have made it downright dangerous for you to do your job to the best of your ability? What do you do? Apparently, if I'm to take your advice, I quit, move, and take up a new career as a printer repairman or some-damn-thing. Most people would rather fight for what they hold dear. I get that. I am not advocating to become a bicycle repairman, just relo to another city. Or stay, up to you, but it's the same in private business. What if you all of a sudden get an a-hole boss in private business? You have a choice. I don't buy into the entire "I can't move away from family and friends" nonsense because I heard that from skilled trades people who were laid off here in MI. They could have moved to TN or TX or several other states and gotten jobs but "they didn't want to move away from home" so they got unemployment until that ran out and then went on welfare or worked at Wal*Mart or something. Remember those old Tombstone Pizza commercials on TV? My BIL created some of them. One was boycotted by the mafia, I mean the anti-Italian Defamation League or whatever. LOL. He also did Shoe Carnival, Kraft, Taco Bell, etc. He was a Creative Director. Got in a tiff with his boss and got fired. He could have moved to Atlanta in advertising and had a better life with the cheaper cost of living (compared to Irvine, CA) but he refused. Didn't like the Southern drawl, didn't want his kids to grow up sounding like retards. (I don't think that, he did. I love Southern drawls). Now he's paying for it. My point is people make their own choices. Choose wisely. |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 2:50:15 PM EST
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So now we see your issue you use CBS as a source. I just saw it on a website I was on.  But if it is a lie, tell me and I'll feed it back to CBS. I have gotten used to viewing NPR and CNN so that I can throw it back in the faces of Leftists, though. 
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Posted: 6/18/2020 2:51:46 PM EST
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We lost my mother in her early 70s to cancer in 2012. My dad, a classic type A personality, spent a lifetime in various business ventures until he had three strokes at 79 I was recently visiting him and he expressed regrets for not stopping working while my mother was alive and they were both in good health and could enjoy a few good years together. I've always believed in learning from the mistakes of others. It's easier that way. Stuff like that has a big impression on me. I know an officer who's still working in his 80s in another state. I know another local officer still working in his 70s. There comes a time to hang up the gun belt and live life. I have a definite end date for what I'm doing, and the plans after that. People who can't give up working are a somewhat sad thing to see. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: My grandfather didn't stop doing engineering work until his eyes got too bad in his late '80's to read the plans, even blowing them up on a monitor. We lost my mother in her early 70s to cancer in 2012. My dad, a classic type A personality, spent a lifetime in various business ventures until he had three strokes at 79 I was recently visiting him and he expressed regrets for not stopping working while my mother was alive and they were both in good health and could enjoy a few good years together. I've always believed in learning from the mistakes of others. It's easier that way. Stuff like that has a big impression on me. I know an officer who's still working in his 80s in another state. I know another local officer still working in his 70s. There comes a time to hang up the gun belt and live life. I have a definite end date for what I'm doing, and the plans after that. People who can't give up working are a somewhat sad thing to see. |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 2:55:22 PM EST
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is correct. I have found that once beyond entry level in these types of jobs, there are two paths for police/corrections/fire or any of these occupations, especially police and corrections, but possibly with fire in a larger city: 1) Start as entry level, STAY at an entry level rank and work into a good job, with weekends and holidays off, little contact with problem children and coast along... The down side? You are still entry level and your retirement will be less than a ranking officer, unless you are in an agency that allows substantial overtime to pad the retirement "five high years"...Problem is that this overtime is often harder to get if you are tucked off in a property room or somewhere similar. Plus that defeats the purpose of having a cushy job and schedule because to get the overtime, you have to get back on shift and the trenches...Most don't want to do that once they get that good job. 2) The ones that start at entry level, work their ass off to make rank and achieve the highest position they can... Upside is, the five high years of calculated retirement will be at a 40 hour week, (depending on department). The downside to this is as follows...Once you work your way to say, Corporal and get a good schedule, if you interview for Sergeant and get the position, then BOOM, back to third shit you go and the cycle repeats. Then as a Sergeant, you work into first/day shift and decide to interview for Lieutenant, third shift and cycle repeats. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yup. If people can slide into positions where there is very little contact with the public, normal working hours and the pay is good, they'll stay longer. But, except for the rare areas that old guys can be station mouses, most people want out when they can, and are able too. This is correct. I have found that once beyond entry level in these types of jobs, there are two paths for police/corrections/fire or any of these occupations, especially police and corrections, but possibly with fire in a larger city: 1) Start as entry level, STAY at an entry level rank and work into a good job, with weekends and holidays off, little contact with problem children and coast along... The down side? You are still entry level and your retirement will be less than a ranking officer, unless you are in an agency that allows substantial overtime to pad the retirement "five high years"...Problem is that this overtime is often harder to get if you are tucked off in a property room or somewhere similar. Plus that defeats the purpose of having a cushy job and schedule because to get the overtime, you have to get back on shift and the trenches...Most don't want to do that once they get that good job. 2) The ones that start at entry level, work their ass off to make rank and achieve the highest position they can... Upside is, the five high years of calculated retirement will be at a 40 hour week, (depending on department). The downside to this is as follows...Once you work your way to say, Corporal and get a good schedule, if you interview for Sergeant and get the position, then BOOM, back to third shit you go and the cycle repeats. Then as a Sergeant, you work into first/day shift and decide to interview for Lieutenant, third shift and cycle repeats. I know at least one Atlanta area department that rotates shifts, so everybody works every shift each quarter. |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 2:56:59 PM EST
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I've seen a few good ones, but many bad ones. That includes having worked for EY, GE, IBM, AT&T, several large healthcare companies, financial companies, etc... How many of them knew their sh*t and stayed within budget because they (he) wrote the contract so precise there was no question as to what was required? How many of them could authorize extras if they wanted (often as a favor to the customer) and by God their word was gospel? No extra authorizations required. That's me. I can repair equipment, install equipment, or manage the installation of equipment. I can use an oscilloscope as well as a laptop. I've done it all. |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 2:57:12 PM EST
[#17]
It has been my experience, on this site and others, that arguing with engineers is often pointless.
Indeed, when exchanging opinions with a particularly pedantic poster, I will sometimes ask whether he/she is a mechanical/structural engineer. Often, one will get a surprised "Well, mechanical, but how did you know?" Engineers are linear thinkers and often do not have the ability to imagine walking in shoes other than their own or considering opinions which they don't currently hold. Example: I have a brother-in-law who is a brilliant and skilled mechanical engineer. Heck, he worked for the Navy as a civilian on fast-attack subs. Good guy, loves his family and supports them in every way. I am filled with filial love for that man. But, he also knows exactly how to fix the school system, what's wrong with the criminal justice system, and precisely why the pancakes are better at the IHOP 15 minutes away than the one around the corner. He knows everything about everything and would never be persuaded otherwise. After a while one should simply nod and say "oh, that's interesting, what are the concrete steps you are taking to persuade the legislature about your world-changing plan?" That will generally stop the bloviating. Or, one can do the Grandma thing and say "that's nice dear." But, continuing to engage someone who is constitutionally unable to side-step their own biases, experiences and conclusions is IMO foolish. Not that I haven't admittedly engaged in such tom-foolery from time to time. In conclusion, while the slide has been pretty entertaining, CAN SOMEONE GIVE US AN UPDATE ON WHETHER ATLANTA IS GOING TO BURN??!! If the Emory law school burns down, though my alma... I will shed no tears. |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 2:57:15 PM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nice. But why? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The International Association of Fire Fighters, the largest FF Union in the Country has endorsed Biden and has been heavily entrenched with Democrats for decades. Nice. But why? Because unions are cockgobbling pricks.  |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 2:59:53 PM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I know at least one Atlanta area department that rotates shifts, so everybody works every shift each quarter. I have seen some departments do that, but there are still some 8-4 type jobs probably floating around off the shift roster completely in support positions. Then's there's scheduling...Because LE and the like are exempt from FLSA, then you can kinda get screwed out of overtime if the department decides to change to a 28 day schedule. An 8-4 guy is usually left alone, or at least that's what I have seen. |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 3:01:01 PM EST
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ever hear the term, 'hostile work environment'? In this instance the idea behind calling out en masse is to force change in 'management'. 'As long as management persists in ignoring protocols and insists on malicious prosecutions based only in political ambition...you can do the job yourself.' Interesting point. I don't see that, and I don't see one single cop saying that. When that point comes up in the news or a lawsuit or a firing let me know. |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 3:02:33 PM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If I was a member of the Jury and the only source of info was what is available now the cop would be found not guilty on all charges at least by me, So jury trial or bench trial? Or does he even have that option should be go to trial? Some here say he should ask for a bench trial. |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 3:07:55 PM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: An appropriate analogy comparing bridge engineering to LE would be something like the Mayor telling engineers what materials and constructions to use even though the bridge won't be safe and durable. Then blaming engineers for problems and holding the engineers criminally liable for issues like suicides, etc. And if that happened in the engineering world the engineer would refuse to design to those specifications. He may get fired, but he would refuse. So again, what am I missing? Resign and move on to a different place that won't tell you to design an unsafe bridge. |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 3:10:09 PM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Progressive prosecutors. LOL Cozy relationship LOL Your post is full of misinformation. But then you're quoting the MSM, so no surprise there Well, true. MSM is often wrong. Although to be honest, you don't think we have some left wing prosecutors in the USA? It seems like we might. |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 3:10:57 PM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It has been my experience, on this site and others, that arguing with engineers is often pointless. This is perhaps the best post of the year. You win the internets. A statue will be erected in your honor at the Shitposting Hall of Fame. 
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Posted: 6/18/2020 3:15:21 PM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And if that happened in the engineering world the engineer would refuse to design to those specifications. He may get fired, but he would refuse. So again, what am I missing? Resign and move on to a different place that won't tell you to design an unsafe bridge. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: An appropriate analogy comparing bridge engineering to LE would be something like the Mayor telling engineers what materials and constructions to use even though the bridge won't be safe and durable. Then blaming engineers for problems and holding the engineers criminally liable for issues like suicides, etc. And if that happened in the engineering world the engineer would refuse to design to those specifications. He may get fired, but he would refuse. So again, what am I missing? Resign and move on to a different place that won't tell you to design an unsafe bridge. Exactly. And in this instance, the cops are telling the mayor and D.A. that they won't do their job the way the mayor and D.A. want them to. Put another way, they're refusing to design that bridge to "those specifications." Yes, they may get fired, but they're still objecting to perform unsafe work. Get it now? |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 3:16:20 PM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's a nice answer. Most cops paramedics and firefights enjoy it. I don't think you fully understand how people are wired. You get too old to do these jobs quick. It's a combination of physical AND MENTAL. If you don't think the Mental part is real come try. And it's not that we go crazy. You can really only see so many decapitated people or be told you are piece of shit by criminals so many times. That shit adds up. It manifests itself in high blood pressure, type 2 diabetes, and heart disease among others. I am an exception at 28.5 years. I'll be here another couple years. Most don't make it that long. The thread on should child seats be required thread and this. God damn, the story I was told, makes me cry to this day. I support first responders not being able to go in. |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 3:17:09 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is perhaps the best post of the year. You win the internets. A statue will be erected in your honor at the Shitposting Hall of Fame. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It has been my experience, on this site and others, that arguing with engineers is often pointless. This is perhaps the best post of the year. You win the internets. A statue will be erected in your honor at the Shitposting Hall of Fame. Thanks, but: CAN SOMEONE GIVE US AN UPDATE ON WHETHER ATLANTA IS GOING TO BURN??!! If the Emory law school burns down, though my alma... I will shed no tears. |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 3:17:11 PM EST
[#28]
holy shit this discussion reminds me why i got the FUCK away from technical SMEs
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Posted: 6/18/2020 3:20:21 PM EST
[#29]
Atlanta might get interesting tonight.
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Posted: 6/18/2020 3:20:55 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Progressive prosecutors. LOL Cozy relationship LOL Your post is full of misinformation. But then you're quoting the MSM, so no surprise there Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Agree. So then resign and move somewhere else. You don't refuse to do your job and risk the lives of innocent people just because you are butthurt. Either do your job or quit, just like everyone else in America. Or probably the world for that matter. Just read on CBS: "Prosecutors across the country are defying cozy relationships with police, swiftly charging officers. Progressive prosecutors ushered into office on promises of overhauling the criminal justice system are throwing their weight behind proposals to scrap laws that conceal police records from the public and barring prosecutors from accepting campaign cash and police union endorsements." You've paid the Left, via the police unions, to have your sins covered up for decades. Perhaps not any longer. Progressive prosecutors. LOL Cozy relationship LOL Your post is full of misinformation. But then you're quoting the MSM, so no surprise there hey uh dannyboy - when a mix of cops and bashers are lining up against you, well thats a clue |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 3:21:11 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Even an engineer could do it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted:The courts have ruled more than once that the police are not obligated to put themselves between the general public and danger, so even if they "refuse to do their job", they aren't really refusing to do their job. They are doing it exactly as standing law has prescribed. So a cop can go to work, sit in a Dunkin Donuts all day long, ignoring radio calls and squad car computer calls, drink coffee, and clock out eight hours later when businesses are getting looted and burned and people are getting attacked, raped, and killed, yet no harm, no foul? Fascinating. I guess being a cop is easier than I thought. Even an engineer could do it.
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Posted: 6/18/2020 3:23:57 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: holy shit this discussion reminds me why i got the FUCK away from technical SMEs Right?! |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 3:24:33 PM EST
[#33]
Is the APD working tonight?
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Posted: 6/18/2020 3:26:44 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I actually believe you're a computer engineer though, because you don't seem to grasp how people work. Even though I actually managed IBEW, MW, PF, etc. unions for over two decades all across North America? Yeah, I don't know how people work. What else you got? So tell me, do you think that Rolfe will be sent to prison? |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 3:27:24 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So if you hire in at 20, have a 20 year retirement (which people here tell me that cops have to take or it declines every year swiftly after that), that you'll have full government healthcare for another 25 years after you quit? SRSLY? That's how ours was but the pension doesn't decline after you hit 20, guys who stay to 25 get more. Not sure where the point is where you're losing money because I wasn't staying past 20 and never looked into it. |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 3:27:39 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Exactly. And in this instance, the cops are telling the mayor and D.A. that they won't do their job the way the mayor and D.A. want them to. Put another way, they're refusing to design that bridge to "those specifications." Yes, they may get fired, but they're still objecting to perform unsafe work. Get it now? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: An appropriate analogy comparing bridge engineering to LE would be something like the Mayor telling engineers what materials and constructions to use even though the bridge won't be safe and durable. Then blaming engineers for problems and holding the engineers criminally liable for issues like suicides, etc. And if that happened in the engineering world the engineer would refuse to design to those specifications. He may get fired, but he would refuse. So again, what am I missing? Resign and move on to a different place that won't tell you to design an unsafe bridge. Exactly. And in this instance, the cops are telling the mayor and D.A. that they won't do their job the way the mayor and D.A. want them to. Put another way, they're refusing to design that bridge to "those specifications." Yes, they may get fired, but they're still objecting to perform unsafe work. Get it now? He won't. Ahem, ANYONE HAVE ANY UP TO DATE INFORMATION? |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 3:30:27 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Even though I actually managed IBEW, MW, PF, etc. unions for over two decades all across North America? Yeah, I don't know how people work. What else you got? So tell me, do you think that Rolfe will be sent to prison? It's a damn good thing you aren't in a field that requires it. Id love to interview some of your subordinates from over the years. |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 3:30:53 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Upstate NY is overwhelmingly Republican, but the NYC population completely cancels out the upstate voters Except when Chuck Schumer is up for re-election. 
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Posted: 6/18/2020 3:31:29 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: But is the engineer likely to face a jury trial? Even if acquitted the officer is done in police work, your engineer can probably piss off to another firm in BFE. But arfcom tells me these cops move from agency to agency and are called gypsies. I don't know, don't be a cop? Be a physician or nuclear scientist or something else, not a cop I guess if you think it is so bad. |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 3:32:26 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: One big advantage my grandfather had was that he could work from home. Back when paper drafting was the norm, he had drafting tables at home, and added large plotters and a good computer when those became viable. I learned how use DataCAD working for him in the early 90's, modifying plans. He and my grandmother took plenty of trips all around the world, he was part owner of a Cessna 172 as well. It wasn't until my grandmother's health started failing that they stopped traveling. We saw a good chunk of the country and the world when I was your. I think that was largely my mother's influence He regrets not taking the time for the two of them to travel alone There's always tomorrow, until there isn't. I've had a five year plan and a twenty year plan most of my working life. A few monkey wrenches got thrown in, but for the most part I've stuck to it |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 3:33:13 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Even though I actually managed IBEW, MW, PF, etc. unions for over two decades all across North America? Yeah, I don't know how people work. What else you got? So tell me, do you think that Rolfe will be sent to prison? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I actually believe you're a computer engineer though, because you don't seem to grasp how people work. Even though I actually managed IBEW, MW, PF, etc. unions for over two decades all across North America? Yeah, I don't know how people work. What else you got? So tell me, do you think that Rolfe will be sent to prison? You're doing all the work for me. Dance puppet. In the liberal utopia of Atlanta? He could absolutely do prison time. In a place not afraid of CNN, absolutely not. |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 3:33:18 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He's el Federale de Estados Unidos de America, or so I heard from a source who wishes to remain anonymous. My question was really "is he LEO?" But don't tease me with this Federale de Estados Unidos de America stuff.
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Posted: 6/18/2020 3:33:26 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: But by the time one is that old they are command, so not fighting meth monkeys. Even at 45 years of age, you are at least a sergeant, right? You don't automatically get promoted. I worked with two cops who retired as patrolman in their early 60s. |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 3:33:33 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's a nice answer. Most cops paramedics and firefights enjoy it. I don't think you fully understand how people are wired. You get too old to do these jobs quick. It's a combination of physical AND MENTAL. If you don't think the Mental part is real come try. And it's not that we go crazy. You can really only see so many decapitated people or be told you are piece of shit by criminals so many times. That shit adds up. It manifests itself in high blood pressure, type 2 diabetes, and heart disease among others. I am an exception at 28.5 years. I'll be here another couple years. Most don't make it that long. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: My grandfather didn't stop doing engineering work until his eyes got too bad in his late '80's to read the plans, even blowing them up on a monitor. You do what you enjoy. I don't think you fully understand how people are wired. You get too old to do these jobs quick. It's a combination of physical AND MENTAL. If you don't think the Mental part is real come try. And it's not that we go crazy. You can really only see so many decapitated people or be told you are piece of shit by criminals so many times. That shit adds up. It manifests itself in high blood pressure, type 2 diabetes, and heart disease among others. I am an exception at 28.5 years. I'll be here another couple years. Most don't make it that long. |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 3:33:41 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: But arfcom tells me these cops move from agency to agency and are called gypsies. I don't know, don't be a cop? Be a physician or nuclear scientist or something else, not a cop I guess if you think it is so bad. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: But is the engineer likely to face a jury trial? Even if acquitted the officer is done in police work, your engineer can probably piss off to another firm in BFE. But arfcom tells me these cops move from agency to agency and are called gypsies. I don't know, don't be a cop? Be a physician or nuclear scientist or something else, not a cop I guess if you think it is so bad. It's either autism or trolling. Either way you should stop. |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 3:35:24 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I know at least one Atlanta area department that rotates shifts, so everybody works every shift each quarter. Rotating shifts us a horrible personnel plan. Let them bid based on seniority, that's how we do it. I stayed on nights for most of my time by choice. Did a flex shift for a couple of years and days for a year when the kids were little. Hated days. Too much brass around |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 3:35:34 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: But arfcom tells me these cops move from agency to agency and are called gypsies. I don't know, don't be a cop? Be a physician or nuclear scientist or something else, not a cop I guess if you think it is so bad. Stipulated. Ahem: CAN SOMEONE GIVE US AN UPDATE ON WHETHER ATLANTA IS GOING TO BURN??!! If the Emory law school burns down, though my alma... I will shed no tears |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 3:36:34 PM EST
[#48]
Quoted: Any chance of actual news instead of you guys pantywaving your man-thongs? Don't get your hopes up. https://nypost.com/2020/06/18/nypd-cops-being-encouraged-to-strike-on-july-4th A pair of flyers making their rounds among NYPD officers are encouraging them to call out sick July 4th — as retribution for police reform and a perceived anti-cop climate following the outrage over high-profile police killings of unarmed black men across the country, multiple cops told The Post. One message calls for the strike to kick off at 3 p.m. July 4. “NYPD cops will strike on July 4th to let the city have their independence without cops,” the message, which is being passed among cops via text, according to sources. “Cops that say we can’t strike because of the Taylor Law,” the message reads, referencing a law that makes public worker stoppages punishable with fines and jail time. “The people and this city doesn’t [sic] honor us why honor them [sic].” It’s unclear whether the messages are being written by other police officers. Another message seen by police officers reads #Bluflu and instructs cops to call out sick on Independence Day. |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 3:36:58 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Rotating shifts us a horrible personnel plan. Let them bid based on seniority, that's how we do it. I stayed on nights for most of my time by choice. Did a flex shift for a couple of years and days for a year when the kids were little. Hated days. Too much brass around |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 3:38:17 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You don't automatically get promoted. I worked with two cops who retired as patrolman in their early 60s. They didn’t blow up a building instead of waiting for the bomb squad, but rescue a cat, did they? One of them was definitely too old for that shit... |
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