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Posted: 4/15/2019 4:55:31 PM EDT

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Let’s not derail this thread too much, please

Posted: 4/15/2019 4:55:32 PM EDT

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Not confident that, if it was jihad, that the French Gov't would be honest with the people about it.

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Depends. The contractor is on the hook, for probably billions of dollars of destruction.

No way in FUCK the insurance company or the contractor is going to write checks if some Muzzy was involved and it was intentionally set.

Posted: 4/15/2019 4:56:08 PM EDT

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Posted: 4/15/2019 4:56:19 PM EDT

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When a bunch of Europeans move to Saudi Arabia and start setting mosques on fire, your metaphor might have validity.

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Its a terror attack..

I'm seeing smiling arabs on twitter and other feeds.

Lol....because no one here would ever do such a thing if the situation were reverse.

If some mosque was burning somewhere, I am sure 90% of the replies would be genuine concern for the loss of historical artifacts and culture and definitely wouldn't be "I'll have a coke" or similar things, right?

Pot meet kettle.

When a bunch of Europeans move to Saudi Arabia and start setting mosques on fire, your metaphor might have validity.

It's about the dopamine rush, not validation.

Posted: 4/15/2019 4:56:23 PM EDT

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Nothing is getting bulldozed. If it can't be fixed, they'll preserve the ruins.

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The African tent City will probably re-locate there.

Posted: 4/15/2019 4:56:57 PM EDT

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Was this drone photo already posted?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4OHvvTWwAINUJf.jpg

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Damn...

Posted: 4/15/2019 4:57:14 PM EDT

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Drone shots just taken of the interior of the building from overhead;

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/227373/3C471D9D-F95D-4313-8140-02E65A3CB358_jpeg-913602.JPG
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Posted: 4/15/2019 4:57:48 PM EDT

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Funny, I started a thread about the church attacks in Paris about a week ago, and I actually linked to it twice now because of other church attacks.

And, for the record, yes, I know I'm being "that guy", but it seems pretty relevant

There were 1045 recorded cases of church vandalsim in Paris last year

But I agree with those that are suspicious, theres good reason to be.

Posted: 4/15/2019 4:57:53 PM EDT

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlaE4pP-I3s

Posted: 4/15/2019 4:58:00 PM EDT

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In 1996, the La Fenice Opera House in Venice burned down. It was 200 years old. The cause was arson, the fire was lit by disgruntled construction workers at about the same time of day--7pm.

Posted: 4/15/2019 4:58:13 PM EDT

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With all the previous attempts and the stated intention to burn it down before Easter, occams razor pretty much comes into play here and points in only one direction.

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FYI Occam’s Razor is newer than Notre Dame

Posted: 4/15/2019 4:58:46 PM EDT

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York minster had a fairly bad fire in the eighties and was renovated.

Posted: 4/15/2019 4:58:48 PM EDT

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Drone shots just taken of the interior of the building from overhead;

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if those are really recent then that gives some hope for the interior.

The ceiling you see when inside Notre Dame is stone. Those shots show that most of the wood roof was caught by that stone and hasn't fallen all the way to ground level.

likely some holes in that stone work has allowed some to fall through... especially where the spire was... so there will be damage and I have no way of knowing how long that ceiling will last or how firefighting under it is going.

Posted: 4/15/2019 4:58:48 PM EDT

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Maybe. And you can deal with water damage.

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This photo actually provides some relief. The stone vaulting that makes up the ceiling of the cathedral has not collapsed, meaning it's possible most of the damage from the burning roof has not made its way into the actual church.

This is a photo of the top of a vault in Salisbury Cathedral, which was constructed around the time Notre Dame was with similar techniques. The piece of lumber you see in the top left of the photo is of a wood truss from the roof, the sloped structure taking up most of the photo is stone that makes up the interior vaulted ceiling.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9c/Salisbury_Cathedral%2C_top_of_vaulted_ceiling_over_nave.jpg/2560px-Salisbury_Cathedral%2C_top_of_vaulted_ceiling_over_nave.jpg

Maybe. And you can deal with water damage.

Spokesman for Notre Dame has said everything inside is burning. Looking at that drone shot there is no way the fire is not inside every room.

Posted: 4/15/2019 4:58:53 PM EDT

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/04/15/politics/us-airstrike-isis-somalia/index.html

Earlier

Washington(CNN) The US military conducted an airstrike Sunday that killed Abdulhakim Dhuqub, a high ranking ISIS-Somalia official.

US Africa Command, which oversees US military operations on the continent, said in a statement Monday that the strike targeted a vehicle near Xiriiro, Bari Region.

The statement refers to Dhuqub as the terror affiliate's "second in command," saying he "was responsible for the daily operations of the extremist group, attack planning, and resource procurement."

Posted: 4/15/2019 4:59:02 PM EDT

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Husband (architect and engineer) pointed out that whoever the contractor on this Notre Dame renovation was, they're legally and financially fucked now. That got me curious about the firm ... which led to some old articles and, oh man, the aftermath of this is gonna be messy ...
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1117874743711948800.html

Posted: 4/15/2019 4:59:20 PM EDT

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People sing prayers near Notre Dame Cathedral as it burns

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7j1kEFpaFk

Posted: 4/15/2019 4:59:23 PM EDT

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Disposable human beings. We all know what needs to be done with that Neanderthal culture, but we're not allowed to say it.

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A sad day indeed. See how sad these fellow Frenchmen are

https://i.imgur.com/i2ZeRgu.jpg

Disposable human beings. We all know what needs to be done with that Neanderthal culture, but we're not allowed to say it.

That picture says it all. We know what needs to be done, but our leaders have failed.

Posted: 4/15/2019 4:59:52 PM EDT

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https://www.facebook.com/360visio/photos/a.354367064705506/1408220912653444/?type=3&theater

Shows the splendor of the interior.

Posted: 4/15/2019 5:00:00 PM EDT

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Yes . . . In fact, 3D CAD models of the entire structure have existed for some time.

In, theory . . . it could actually be 3D Printed . . . if you could build a printer large enough.

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You just need an "industrial replicator" from Star Trek. So that'll happen.

Posted: 4/15/2019 5:00:02 PM EDT

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I don't think this was a ROPer event or even a construction accident; I think the Catholic Church set the fire so they could get the insurance money.

Posted: 4/15/2019 5:00:14 PM EDT

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Maybe. And you can deal with water damage.

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Those vaults are why they shouldnt put much water on it. Fire don't bother em but tons of water sure could.

Posted: 4/15/2019 5:00:26 PM EDT

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Lol....because no one here would ever do such a thing if the situation were reverse.

If some mosque was burning somewhere, I am sure 90% of the replies would be genuine concern for the loss of historical artifacts and culture and definitely wouldn't be "I'll have a coke" or similar things, right?

Pot meet kettle.

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Imagine the above picture is a Fox News livestream of Christchurch, and every single comment is happy and in support of what happened.

WE get lectures and finger waving from the ROP apologists, despite numerous churches being vandalized, set on fire, and attacked.

Condemnation and finger waving at Muslims for ANYTHING? Nope.

Posted: 4/15/2019 5:01:24 PM EDT

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Jesus :-(

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Drone shots just taken of the interior of the building from overhead;

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/227373/3C471D9D-F95D-4313-8140-02E65A3CB358_jpeg-913602.JPG
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/227373/0BB1DC8F-654F-4382-95D8-1C9F4B668FE7_jpeg-913610.JPG

Jesus :-(

Yea its done...850 years was a good run

Posted: 4/15/2019 5:01:57 PM EDT

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I don't think this was a ROPer event or even a construction accident; I think the Catholic Church set the fire so they could get the insurance money.

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Who insures the priceless?

Posted: 4/15/2019 5:01:57 PM EDT

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I wonder how all of the stonework will handle the cooling off process? Uneven contraction, joint opening and moving. Not to mention what the fire already did to the stone.

Posted: 4/15/2019 5:02:00 PM EDT

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Seems like it is burning evenly from all sides. In other words kind of suspiciously odd. I could be wrong so take it for what it's worth.

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The building was 95% dry tinder. Once temps from the initial fire got high enough, it became a chain reaction with no hope of stopping it from spreading quickly to the entire structure.

Posted: 4/15/2019 5:02:32 PM EDT

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On the one hand this warms my heart. On the other, I see another mass casualty target.

Posted: 4/15/2019 5:03:07 PM EDT

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The reconstruction of the spire, photographed in 1850. The original had to be torn down in the late eighteenth century after hundreds of years of damage

A priest pictured wiping the Crown of Thorns, a relic of the passion of Christ, protected in a case and kept at Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris

The 16 copper statues which decorate the roof of the Notre-Dame de Paris are removed for restoration works.

A series of cranes evacuated the statues prior to the beginning of the restoration work at the beginning of last week.

The magnificent Emmanuel, Notre Dame's largest bourdon, is the only original bell in the cathedral not destroyed during the French Revolution

Notre Dame de Paris is home to the relic accepted by Catholics the world as the holy crown of thorns worn by Jesus Christ on the cross.

Posted: 4/15/2019 5:03:14 PM EDT

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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:03:33 PM EDT

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I’ve never heard of Catholic Lightning before.

Posted: 4/15/2019 5:05:21 PM EDT

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I don't think this was a ROPer event or even a construction accident; I think the ~~Catholic Church~~ French .gov set the fire so they could get the insurance money.

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The building isn't owned by the Catholic Church, it's owned by the French .gov.

Posted: 4/15/2019 5:06:02 PM EDT

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Would pretty much hate to be the Jihadi/French workman responible.

Looks like the whole place might be a gone'er.

Posted: 4/15/2019 5:06:30 PM EDT

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Well the joke's on them because the French Government owns the church.

Posted: 4/15/2019 5:06:37 PM EDT

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Churches around #France are ringing their bells in solidarity with #NotreDame. #Paris pic.twitter.com/pxDdxhKWDC
Anja Hopps (@AnjaHopps) April 15, 2019

Posted: 4/15/2019 5:06:59 PM EDT

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....Regardless, this is one of the greatest losses in history. Just hard to grasp what is going up in smoke.

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Yup.

Posted: 4/15/2019 5:07:07 PM EDT

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The structure of Notre Dame has reportedly been saved from total destruction according to a firefighting official, 1 firefighter has been seriously injured #Paris #NotreDame
CNW (@ConflictsW) April 15, 2019

Posted: 4/15/2019 5:07:48 PM EDT

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The French will grab every electronic communication in the past 24 hours. Compare that to lists of known radicals.
If it was terrorism, they'll have the bad guys identified within 48 hours or so.

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NO WAY IN HELL THEY WOULD EVER ADMIT IT WAS A TERRORIST. ZERO.

Posted: 4/15/2019 5:07:54 PM EDT

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Brings a tear to the eye.

Posted: 4/15/2019 5:07:54 PM EDT

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The structure of Notre Dame has reportedly been saved from total destruction according to a firefighting official, 1 firefighter has been seriously injured #Paris #NotreDame
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Bless him.

I hope he recovers.

Posted: 4/15/2019 5:08:03 PM EDT

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Lol....because no one here would ever do such a thing if the situation were reverse.

If some mosque was burning somewhere, I am sure 90% of the replies would be genuine concern for the loss of historical artifacts and culture and definitely wouldn't be "I'll have a coke" or similar things, right?

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FWIW whatever the source, artwork of that magnitude from ANY religion/culture is a loss to ALL of us.

Posted: 4/15/2019 5:08:13 PM EDT

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Sad about all of the classic works of art

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Posted: 4/15/2019 5:08:19 PM EDT

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So, you might be asking: Why /not/ use planes or helicopters to fight the fire at Notre Dame? Let's talk about it! (1/n)...

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1117865058145427462.html

Posted: 4/15/2019 5:09:33 PM EDT

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[tweet]Et devinez qui se réjouit de l’incendie de #NotreDamedeParis.... ?? pic.twitter.com/XG6pu3VqpC— Damien Rieu (@DamienRieu) April 15, 2019 [/tweet]

Posted: 4/15/2019 5:09:34 PM EDT

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if those are really recent then that gives some hope for the interior.

The ceiling you see when inside Notre Dame is stone. Those shots show that most of the wood roof was caught by that stone and hasn't fallen all the way to ground level.

likely some holes in that stone work has allowed some to fall through... especially where the spire was... so there will be damage and I have no way of knowing how long that ceiling will last or how firefighting under it is going.

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I imagine the heat would be enough to make the interior combust even if the stone holds.

Posted: 4/15/2019 5:09:39 PM EDT

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So, you might be asking: Why /not/ use planes or helicopters to fight the fire at Notre Dame? Let's talk about it! (1/n)...

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I'm becoming convinced you are not actually human.

Posted: 4/15/2019 5:09:49 PM EDT

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This thing took 200 years to build, can you imagine our generation down to our grandchildren agreeing on something longer than 10 years or even 10 minutes to be able to acomplish something like this ever again.

Posted: 4/15/2019 5:10:13 PM EDT

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What? It's just as plausible as all the other theories in this thread that have no basis in fact yet.

Posted: 4/15/2019 5:10:18 PM EDT

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I'm late on this story and about to read this thread.

Knowing GD is going to GD, I'm sure the conspiracy theorist/Muslims did it! has started here since it's all over the news article comment section...and GD has much of the same types of people.

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Just shut up for once