This:


Because the hollywood writers, NYC media, SF social media folks are the most (Woke) religious and political people on the planet.
They cannot help themselves.
They have no stopping mechanism.

Basically the movies have to flop enough, and obvious enough (too hard to ignore, even with media excuse making), that they revert to old school annoying-liberalism.
Not what we have today.

To do that they have to fail (Indiana Jones, Disney Star Wars, Witcher, etc)




The reality is that PG13 or not, this film shouldn't have had political ideology, a tranny actor, trans themes, and angry feminism.
If they wanted it to be "for everybody" (and Margot Robbie is good cast for the film), they absolutely could have made that film.

But the message is important to them on a deep level, they won't give it up until there are enough flops.

I have some news for you.

Edited to show how it applies to other things.

I was legitimately excited for this movie.





Then I started listening to some of the reviews.

This one in particular stuck with me.



If you know anything about this guy, you KNOW he's going to give an honest unbiased review, and his takeaway was "I know this movies not made for me, but it's a Smash the Patriachry kind of film, and the message of the films seems to be that a man shall how have the power to take over the world when he stops pathetically simping for that girl he has no shot with"

I legitimately thought this would kind of a fun kids movie with the PG13 rating because of stuff like the beach you off scene that only adults would get.... but it doesn't seem to be that.

If some of yall enjoyed it, that's awesome. I just don't get any kind of a vibe that this move is worth seeing, and the reviews make it out to be totally different than what I was expecting.

Literally the last line, Barbie is back in "the real world" and she's attending her first appointment, the receptionist asks what shes there for and Barbie says "I'm here to see my gynecologist" Screen cuts to credits, nothing is depicted mentioned or discussed about the matter further. Literally just a parting gag but one that might prompt questions from kids, which I would expect anyone who's responsible for raising another human being to be able to handle gracefully. It's really not a kids movie, they won't get hardly any of the humor and while they might like the pink pallette, it doesn't have a story that most little kids will be able to 'get'. So rather than being grossly inappropriate, its more like "goes over their heads to where its almost a waste of time to watch".

I like the Drinker, so I was kind of disappointed that he fell for the outrage bait. My wife and I watched the sound of freedom in the same theater last week, so we damn sure aren't 'leftist agitators' (also we couldn't get why the left said that one was a Q-anon flick, there's literally nothing in there that isnt 100% confirmed happening all over the world as much as hollyweird doesn't want to admit it-- gosh wonder why?)

I really liked the part where Ken took over Barbieland, it kicked ass and they hinted that as much as women want to throw around terms like 'patriarchy' there's plenty of men who don't have any power either. Now granted, I would expect a lot of jabs at men to be made in a movie ABOUT BARBIE. Barbie is a little girls toy, so they're (in my mind) playing it up to the target audience, and not making hard hitting political statements about life.

Of course women blame men for how the world sucks, that's the joke. They play it up as a war between the sexes in the same way that playground antics pitted boys against icky girls and vice versa all the time. If you want to read more into than that, you're welcome to, but I chose not to and I wasn't forced at any point to break my humorous suspension of disbelief and suck some leftist political cock message about third wave feminism or any of that shit. To me, that's a good movie. Where I can treat it as ironic humor and at no point am I going to get browbeat over the head into accepting it as the gospel of intersectional feminist bullshit.

If you go into it and appreciate that its parroting essentially what little girls think of the world with an adult perspective on its amusing simplicity, its a fucking laugh riot. If you want anything else besides that, you're likely not going to get it, and if you take its critique of gender seriously, you not only have issues, but you're missing that most of it is tongue in cheek and actually making light of how simple girls can be.

So she starts off not having a vagina and winds up having one? Blatant grooming to normalize transgenderism.

I LOL'ed at the "Oh that's not supposed to be the takeaway" ...

Feminists and masculinists, fighting it out in the social arena.

Funny thing is, if they weren't working the feminist angle and they didn't have a dude doing womanface in the movie, accusations that they might be doing that wouldn't have a leg to stand on.

Hmm

Basically: Yes it's there, but your belief is that the efficacy is low

In the movie, at the end she meets with her creator to become fully human and live "in the real world". Her creator allowed her to be human, not a doctor. To me, that's actually quite an anti-trans message. It's never said or hinted that any doctor is going to add or take away any damn thing. Scratch that, there is one scene where Ken does ask to perform "just one" appendectomy but the female doctor refuses to allow him to do so, he is apparently shocked that in this "patriarchal world run by men" she is not only allowed to be a doctor, but also shocked that being a man does not qualify him alone to be a doctor himself and he must in fact attend medical school-- if anything that's a jab at the laughable idea that men run the world just by being men. Really I didn't get any trans propaganda vibes from this movie at all and I'm Hans Fucking Landa on that shit normally.

I'm not gonna simp for a movie that's going to make more money than I ever will in my lifetime (especially because ultimately I do still hate hollywood and their bullshit they DO shove into every goddamn thing), but I do think that its a really funny movie. I normally poke all kinds of holes in things for being subtle hatchet jobs and pushing THE MESSAGE but this one ain't it, kick back, have some popcorn and laugh at a lot of the stupid childhood tropes.

Oh yeah, the whole "beach all you guys off" scene is definitely adult humor, but the thing is I don't think kids below a certain age would recognize that as a double entendre.

There's only 2 times in the movie where there's what I would call inappropriate: when Barbie and Ken go up to construction workers who are cat-calling her, she says she has no vagina, and they (meaning Ken who's with her) in fact have no genitals at all. Ken pretends to scoff away this accusation.  I say this is inappropriate because she says the word 'vagina'. There's no graphical demonstration or explanation given of the subject matter, only the word 'vagina' being said.

The 2nd is the very last line of the film where Barbie says at her appointment she is ready to see the gynecologist. She is in the waiting lobby, there's no nudity, no demonstrative acts, nothing suggestive at all about what a gynecologist is or might do as a profession. I say it this is inappropriate because she says the word 'gynecologist'.

That's my 2 strikes against the movie. Vagina. Gynecologist. That's it. The only 2 explicitly sexual words/acts/mentions etc. in the entire film. If you choose to see anything else, you are actively choosing to see it, in spite of the movie not even taking itself all that seriously, especially any and all scenes in Barbie-Land.

See the problem is,
The people who have negative thoughts about the woke messaging in the movie, have specific examples about scenes and quotes in the movie.
The people pretending to be tough are using vaguery, using "nuh uhs" and pretending to sound tough by ignoring the specifics, scenes, and quotes in the movie.

I'll probably wait until it hits Amazon.

Do you expect me to quote the entire film in order to evidence that it’s not what you think it is?  I don’t know how else you expect me to provide specific quotes proving a lack of evil problematic messaging (that I don’t think exists).  

Edit: the detailed summaries by sitdwnandhngon and BigBurke in this thread on spot on to what I saw in the movie and provide references to specific scenes and quotes.  What else do you want?

FFS.

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Grown men going to see "Barbie", not with their daughters?

fuckin' fags

Ok, to me, I feel like a Barbie character saying or implying things like "Boys are stupid teehee" is pretty obviously a stereotype thats meant to poke fun at how naively simplistic little girls are. OR when another says "I can have facts and emotions at the same time" blah blah blah... its pretty obviously tongue in cheek. If anything I would say its almost poking fun at feminism. Ryan Gosling at one point walks into a corporate headquarters and asks for a "high paying corporate job" and the guy says "ok, do you have your MBA?" and Ken is just shocked by this, after all, he was told the world is a patriarchy and men run everything just because we're men.

It definitely gives more ground to girls side of the gender war... but.. this might shock some of you... its a BARBIE movie! I don't have a problem that this movie roots for girls and "women power". I HAVE A PROBLEM WHEN THAT SHIT SEEPS INTO FILMS THAT IT SHOULDN'T BE IN.

There's no tranny shit, there is some DEI shit if you wanna look at the 'diverse' crowd of Barbies in 'leadership' positions, but none of its explicit, except for one jab at "White savior Barbie" but again, that's just as much a critique of leftist white women who love to champion sjw bullshit as it is a racist remark. I think that almost everything that people are worked up about is all tongue in cheek, I don't think there was anyone in the theater not laughing at that shit, its pretty on the nose satire of how simplistic little girls see the world and not an endorsement of 3rd wave feminist bullshit. It's in there, but its a Barbie movie and it's funny without beating you over the fucking head with it unless you're expecting an even handed shake at both genders-- this movie ain't it.

It's definitely a "girls rule boys drool" movie, but... that's childish bullshit and my feelings aren't hurt by it. Then again, I actually embrace traditional gender norms and therefore I don't tend to get my feelings hurt by women or movies made FOR women a whole awful lot so fancy that.

Do not mistake this as an endorsement of those politics or that I don't hate Hollywood or think the stars in this movie do likely think those things that other reviewers accuse them of having snuck into the movie-- they absolutely do. Almost everyone in entertainment hates you and wants you dead. Fuck, almost everyone in power anywhere in society hates us and wants us dead. But as for the Barbie movie, I was actually able to tune out and just enjoy the ride.

So I'm going to pause the film here for a moment -

My opinion here, in a Barbie film?
- Ken being a dope is canon  He's a side character, a literal accessory for her, and should have been so in the story.
If he had more than 5 lines in the whole film, that's a "hmm" for me.
Total 90s sitcom "romance" at best, she's a sassy sitcom wife, and he's a Homer Simpson who is more handsome.
MAYBE he does one redeeming thing during the film that makes the audience go, "aww" and, "oh okay that's why she stands by him"

- This 10,000% should be a girl power movie.
Not like a Kathleen Kennedy cringe-feminism film, but TBH I expected a "Wonder Woman" 1 film (Gal Gadot).
That ^ movie is a modern take on female empowerment, it even slips in a few feminist jokes, but otherwise "felt right" with no overt political terms/themes.

Just my expectations, she should have been in a ton of different outfits all the time, as an embrace of style and being stylish.
It's not shameful at all, and even less so in a Barbie film.

Should it not have been PG13 - I think not. A soft PG13 with no adult themes and no politics/references to SCOTUS cases hollywood doesn't like, etc.
I expected this ^
Not what we got.


My hiccup is that the word patriarchy is even in it, the theme is in it - and when put with the long list of other political things in the film it's a piece of the puzzle

HOWEVER I do see a point here
If (let's say they made this with 90s sitcom feminism),
Repeat the scene.
Without the hamfisted other stuff, as a standalone scene, genuinely funny.
It's workable - but once put next to the numerous other items, there's a moment of "hey... wait."



Here's the hiccup I've got with it.
The writers of this film are the man-hating "Feminism" variety. My contention is that we've gone past girl power and into woman supremacy*
* unless it's a man in a wig (there's a trans actor in this film for lefty religious reasons, period.)

Of course it's supposed to be about Barbie and the "girl team" so to speak!
I point to Wonder Woman 1 as a good example of that.



And my thing here is, I believe it's there.
I think the Ben Shapiro review if you haven't seen it, might be a worthwhile watch


That's totally wrong.
First there's literally a tranny in it.


"Oh damn I didn't know!"
Yep and they're using that example to pretend that therefore, the whole TQAAIP+ movement is a free lunch and will be easy for society.

And it portrays the ideas of picking a gender as normal, the term for this is "normalizing" something.
For an impressionable child, they might accept this matter of factly when their purple haired art teacher brings it up in school.
That's the point the writers of this movie are pushing.

The "well barbie doesn't have parts, so if they go to the real worl-"
The smoke screen worked.
That's the careful wrapping paper. They "HAD TO" tell the story that way?
They didn't.
They had an agenda, and a point to make, and they made it.



Which I personally think is fine in the case of Barbie- in a barbie world there should be very few men period.
They should be seen and not heard
They make Barbies in every shape, outfit, and tone, "representation" would be 100% canon right?



Another political element that shouldn't be in a kids film, which this IS, and should have been intended to be.



Ben Shapiro's take is long but specific, my beefs with it are theme/story selection.
They shouldn't have brought their hollywood politics into it, period.
I'm sick of them doing this.

Whether or not it "worked" I think can be debated, but whether or not it's there, I don't think so.


The Tumblr brand "campus feminism" 3rd wave "Frustrationists" of today, are a woman's supremacy movement. The more you think about that, the more you realize that's true.
That's literally the cancer in Disney's Starwars creative team.
Or as Douglas Murray would put it, "They seem to suggest that men and women are equal in all ways, except where women are somehow better."



I just don't agree with this.


And it shouldn't have been!

It should have been pro-woman, my beef with it is that it's too political.
For real, referencing Citizen's United?
Cringe.


Oh please neither are any of the people critiquing it - it's not made for men.
It's that it's bitterly political adults pushing political messaging onto children.

Pretending it's about hurt feelings (which is something you've brought up - but you're not REALLY accusing anyone of, I gotcha on that) is like calling something -phobic when it's not what's going on at all


I could not IMAGINE an equivalent film being made today, with a flipped script.
With alllll the stuff reversed with the creative right foot buried into the pedal.
In the name of equality, you could not make that film.



While I have disagreements I so verymuch appreciate you taking the time to explain it.
I think the Shapiro review might be a worthwhile watch for you - BUT in the end you might come to, "well okay I still feel how I feel about it, but I get the examples he's pointing at."


And let me say about "Sound of Freedom", I didn't see it, but the fucking hysterics of the media over that movie was bizarre to watch
Even weirder, the greybars here in this thread referencing it as if they said something?  
Jesus Christ

Born(or made)without a vagina and get one added is very pro-trans.

GF and I went to see "Flight" (R) when it came out. Some woman walks in with little kid. I'm thinking "WTF?"

She and the kid were gone within the first 10 or less minutes.

Saw it. Some thoughts…

This is not a little kid’s movie, it’s a coming of age movie for Millennial and Elder Zoomer women. It pokes fun at a lot of tropes related to men and women of those generations. I viewed it much like a Loony Tunes short, Blazing Saddles, or a less raunchy American Pie.

Realize that men are accessories in the film, just like in the Barbie toy universe.

The “mother” was lost, unhappy, and unfulfilled by her career choice.

The “daughter” was a middle schooler with all the typical mean girl judgements and sophomoric understanding of what goes on around her.

Barbie lived in her own childlike world, both literally and figuratively.

All three were stereotypical or “basic” archetypes.

There’s a lot of satyr in the film.

The male tropes stuck with me more than the female ones. I especially enjoyed the “let me explain it to you” moments related to the Porsche 356 and The Godfather. Then there were the soft references to The Holy Grail and the battle scene from 300… The Trans Barbie tries to give a Ken a beer.

Barbie’s growing up included apologizing to Ken for taking him for granted, and sending him off to find himself. However she failed to take responsibility for her role keeping him “friend zoned.” I see that as a glaring failure for the film, but I also realize that I am not the target audience as I will never have need for a gynecologist.

My family and I had conversation over dinner (parental guidance [how odd considering everyone involved is over 18 right?]) after the film. The topic was that the characterizations of most of the “people” were over-the-top amalgamations of bad behavior and glaring character flaws. However there were some truisms including that many cooperate boards still look like the one at “Mattel.” We discussed several of the whys, like Most executives like to surround themselves with people they are comfortable with, a collegial group. Those people typically don’t include “mavericks” or people from backgrounds that they don’t understand or relate to. Most everyone enjoys a certain degree of predictability. Further they also like people who wait their turn (an idea that is a hold over from post WW2 where junior officers spoke first in meetings which allowed senior leadership the opportunity to gauge the room and ideas presented before speaking themselves). Trump being a bit of an anomaly in that he liked adversarial advisors, among other things.

It’s not a movie that I see myself or any of my family watching again. However, I was entertained.

A penis wasn't replaced with a vagina, a doll that represents a female turned human and got a vagina.

Anyone familiar with ken and barbie should also be familiar with the acknowledgement they have no genitals. It's a pretty common comedy topic as well.

Surprised they didn't try to give Barbie a penis and Ken a set of DD's and a twat

An odd movie that I didn't think I would see Arfcom swooning over... Very weird.

The main-character-Ken was already a twat.

You literally supported the enemy.

Sounds like you're a big supporter of that woke shit

How so? People have always hated me for being me. I’m going to need you to be a little more specific.

A general rule for me: If I want to be involved in how the people important to me interpret a given message, I have to be a part of the consumption as well as the conversation. Otherwise, the influence of others that I might not agree with gets a head start that’s hard to overcome.

Yes it was. 35 year old children that never had to grow up and milk the cows at 4am or throw the hay bales all day.

Oh no a horrible betrayal of the culture war!

If only he had watched 5 hours of podcasts about how it was wokism by someone surrounded by Funko pops and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle Toys, then he would have surely known better.

God bless you.

In so many threads recently, I'm about to post something only to see you posted it first. Seriously, it's uncanny.

Including your other posts in this thread and your excellent breakdown on this page.

You are my enemy. You have chosen poorly.

Yep.

Once again proving that common sense is uncommon.

I will never go see this movie, not my thing, but damn this thread is funny.

Arfcom can swing a purse better than any Barbie.

ZERO interest

Knocked it out of the park.

Not shocked at all, a lot of beta/frail males post in GD and a movie like this would be candy to them. COVID was the real eye opener on how many actually come here.

LOL.  

So thinking about it a bit, I think they missed a good opportunity in the middle of the movie.

There's a scene where ken is looking for a job, after he realizes that men can be something (it comes from a place where men are worthless). He tries to get a job as a doctor and gets told by a female doctor that he's not qualified, later he tries to get a job as a lifeguard and gets told the same, in between that he tries to get a job in an office and is told that he needs an MBA.....then makes a quip about that office not doing patriarchy very well.

The guy says "oh, yes, we are, we just have to keep it hidden now".

That conversation was unnecessary, they had a great opportunity for Ken to realize that even in a world where men were in charge, you still had to be qualified. They could have still pushed into him wrecking barbieland, but that little bit of preaching ruined that whole sequence and didn't give Ken a chance for any growth immediately following because it shifted the focus off him and into the message.

This is your problem in a nutshell. That little bit of preaching didn’t ruin that whole sequence. That little bit of preaching was the whole point of that sequence. That’s what the sequence is there for, to make the counter argument to the movie and then dismiss it.

It’s not an error, and it’s not an accident. Some of you people really need to learn how storytelling works.

If you assume that every word or image in the movie is well considered and purposefully used, which you should, I don’t think you are going far enough.

Why is that man, in that industry/career track the only man to actively admit to participating in maintaining the patriarchy? Who do you see as the primary target audience of that particular scene group?

I have no problem with that part.  Kid asks and I would answer, "A gynecologist is a Doctor that sees women.  Like you go to a pediatrician, a doctor that sees kids."

I think it's different. I think they start with what might be a really good script, and then they start checking their little boxes to make sure they include everything, and that ruins something that was otherwise good to start with.

"joke"

>Another ~20+ minute critique with specific examples that GD "missed" (Didn't want to see/admit)

THIS MOVIE NEEDS TO DIE pic.twitter.com/aOpjj826iD

A.K.A. JLongb0ne  (@JonsLongs) July 22, 2023

>There's nothing political in the movie REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

I'M GONNA KILL A LIVING THING pic.twitter.com/96oBio2nVi

A.K.A. JLongb0ne  (@JonsLongs) July 22, 2023

>"Not political"
> The writers of this movie genuinely hate the subject matter (Barbie).

GD Missed this ^.

Not anymore. That only happens now when a studio buys a spec script written by someone with no agenda and shitlibs it up. A project of this magnitude with this big an IP attached starts being developed in house from the ground up to be exactly what it ended up as.

Remember this stuff has to go through multiple layers over many years. All the different writers, producers, actors, director, studio heads, lawyers, and in this case Barbie’s IP owner, plus maybe others. There are plenty of hacks in Hollywood but also many, many talented people too. I promise you nothing in this film was just a casual addition.

I really haven't read or watched any reviews.....but I am creeped out that the hottest woman on the planet (think Wolf of Wall Street) is playing a little girls toy.