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Posted: 2/21/2024 12:11:06 PM EDT
 People dont understand red dots Good info on red dots. Let the hate flow through you. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 12:12:49 PM EDT
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Taking his class tomorrow and Friday.
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Posted: 2/21/2024 12:18:25 PM EDT
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Napoleon Dynamite lucky gif.
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Posted: 2/21/2024 12:30:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Taking his class tomorrow and Friday. https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Do-we-like-competitive-shooting-Shooting-PCC-at-USPSA-matches-gets-me-grief/5-2683750/ |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 12:52:23 PM EDT
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That's a good video
I was guilty of it without even realizing |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 1:01:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's a good video I was guilty of it without even realizing I also appreciate what he said about trigger control. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 1:18:12 PM EDT
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Great video.
Thanks. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 1:35:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOk, I'll try. The class is the 2-day Pistol Fundamentals class with Ben and Joel Park. I will suggest picking up their Practical Shooting Training book. https://www.amazon.com/Practical-Shooting-Training-Benjamin-Stoeger/dp/B08T43T7KM There's lots of good information in there. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 1:40:18 PM EDT
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Making the case for competition (training) over tactical bs classes.
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Posted: 2/21/2024 1:40:20 PM EDT
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Tag for later. I’ve learned most of what I know from YouTube, Ben being the biggest part of it
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Posted: 2/21/2024 1:49:55 PM EDT
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Ben and Matt probably post some of the best quality info out there right now, and they seem hell bent on doing it for free to push out shit instructors, legit golden days of training/info.
An entire 2 day (cut down to just the talking bits) of pistol and rifle from the two of them, for FREE, shit ton of info here.  Matt pranka and Ben stoeger carbine & pistol class June 2023 |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 2:49:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Making the case for competition (training) over tactical bs classes. Yep. That's where things are going. Tactical and competition are currently in the process of merging somewhat. My goal is practical shooting. Whatever discipline gets me to where I need to be is fine with me. I don't give two shits if it's tactical or competition. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 2:50:56 PM EDT
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Quoted:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYZjLIy487gGood info on red dots. Let the hate flow through you. I noticed I was doing that last year. It's been a struggle to fix it but now I'm only using wrong focus about half of the time. I need to tape over the lens, but I keep forgetting my tape at the range. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 2:51:27 PM EDT
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Oddly enough, if you spend a fair bit of time running a shotgun you have a lot less problems with the visual aspects of pistol shooting...
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Posted: 2/21/2024 2:52:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ben and Matt probably post some of the best quality info out there right now, and they seem hell bent on doing it for free to push out shit instructors, legit golden days of training/info. An entire 2 day (cut down to just the talking bits) of pistol and rifle from the two of them, for FREE, shit ton of info here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-1peBVqGpkIf you have the book I mentioned above and pair it with these videos (plus the one above), you'll be on your way to being a much better shooter. FULL Class Video Ben Stoeger and Joel Park fundamentals July 2023 Ben Stoeger and Joel Park fundamentals 2023 1080p |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 2:52:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oddly enough, if you spend a fair bit of time running a shotgun you have a lot less problems with the visual aspects of pistol shooting... Why is that? Target focusing or something else? |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 2:53:39 PM EDT
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Tag because I can't watch this at work and I'm having trouble adjusting. Hopefully, it will help...
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Posted: 2/21/2024 3:00:18 PM EDT
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So basically be focused on the target and build consistent presentation?
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Posted: 2/21/2024 3:04:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So basically be focused on the target and build consistent presentation? It's sometimes difficult to do that with a bright light in front of you. Some people lose the target focus when the dot is presented creating a mid-focus and still think they're focused on the target. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 3:06:32 PM EDT
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I took a Baer Solutions LVL 2 pistol class at Staccato Ranch on Sunday. It was decent and I won the stress test at the end. I can't wait for this class though. This class is going to give me a years worth of homework.
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Posted: 2/21/2024 3:25:03 PM EDT
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Olde timey instructors that said you had to focus on your front sight ruined a lot of shooters that use dots.
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Posted: 2/21/2024 3:31:21 PM EDT
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So are we just not going to address the fact his pistol was lacking irons? Does he teach to not use irons if you are running a rds? Irons are a part of the process.
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Posted: 2/21/2024 3:33:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So are we just not going to address the fact his pistol was lacking irons? Does he teach to not use irons if you are running a rds? Irons are a part of the process. Part of what process? Shooting with a dot...no, they aren't |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 3:41:40 PM EDT
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Red dots aren't the Mt Everest people think they are.
I shot a two day class with one a few months ago, the thing was fantastic, previously I was only doing drills and what not, typical range training. It was fantastic to have the thing. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 3:43:39 PM EDT
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Most people won't spend enough time in learning to use a red dot so, why bother?
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Posted: 2/21/2024 3:44:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So are we just not going to address the fact his pistol was lacking irons? Does he teach to not use irons if you are running a rds? Irons are a part of the process. A part of what process? |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 3:44:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why is that? Target focusing or something else? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Oddly enough, if you spend a fair bit of time running a shotgun you have a lot less problems with the visual aspects of pistol shooting... It helped 
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Posted: 2/21/2024 3:44:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Part of what process? Shooting with a dot...no, they aren't The process of shooting. Irons on your gun dot or not. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 3:45:37 PM EDT
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Been meaning to send some slides into BattleWerks.
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Posted: 2/21/2024 3:45:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The process of shooting. Irons on your gun dot or not. Weird, my handgun doesn't have a rear iron sight... I tend to shoot it just fine with a dot. Seems like they're not really needed in the process of shooting. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 3:47:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Weird, my handgun doesn't have a rear iron sight... I tend to shoot it just fine with a dot. Seems like they're not really needed in the process of shooting. Awesome. Glad it’s working out for you. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 3:47:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Awesome. Glad it’s working out for you. It works fantastic :) I hope someday you learn how to not use irons too! |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 3:50:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It works fantastic :) I hope someday you learn how to not use irons too! Been “not using” irons for more than a decade my guy. Enjoy the rest of your day. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 3:51:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The process of shooting. Irons on your gun dot or not. Ok, so what's the problem with him not having irons? Is this a tactical-timmies thing? |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 3:51:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The process of shooting. Irons on your gun dot or not. I couldn't tell you the last time I've seen my backup iron sights on my pistol. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 3:52:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Been “not using” irons for more than a decade my guy. Enjoy the rest of your day. But you said they were part of the process? How could you not be using them then? |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 3:53:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So are we just not going to address the fact his pistol was lacking irons? Does he teach to not use irons if you are running a rds? Irons are a part of the process. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 3:55:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But you said they were part of the process? How could you not be using them then? Quote HistoryQuoted: But you said they were part of the process? How could you not be using them then?  Attached FileQuoted: I bet that’s it. I did a skeet shooting event and was definitely in “rifle mode”. The guy running the station told me to “just hate the clay”. It helped It's been so long since I shot a shotgun, I only remember a slight lead on the target and using a brass bead to do it.
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Posted: 2/21/2024 3:56:23 PM EDT
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Bullseye shooters have been using red dots for 30+ years now all of the gun games have followed suit.
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Posted: 2/21/2024 4:01:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I promise you, and I can't stress this enough, that if you contact him directly, or even make a comment on his Instagram, YouTube, X, whatever, he will gladly explain why his gun is set up the way it is. Absolutely will thanks. I truly appreciate people who will actively respond to comments. Thanks man. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 4:01:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bullseye shooters have been using red dots for 30+ years now all of the gun games have followed suit. IPSC has been using them for 30+ too |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 4:02:33 PM EDT
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Tagscribed
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Posted: 2/21/2024 4:07:46 PM EDT
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How can i know he's right if he didn't cite some academic studies and say things like "the angular velocity of your eccentrically contracting occular muscles obfuscates target focused acquistion of neutralizeable threats"???
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Posted: 2/21/2024 4:09:09 PM EDT
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I'm pretty sure I understand what he is saying(to an extent) and I understand why it can be difficult. But at the same time you can be "target focused" as you want but if that red dot isn't in your view you aren't going to be hitting it target if you aren't operating on form memory. He didn't give any guidance on exactly what he means or what he wants you to do to improve. I have shot a lot of shotguns, a lot. Is he talking about instinct shooting? Where you aren't looking at the bead just the target?
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Posted: 2/21/2024 4:13:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Absolutely will thanks. I truly appreciate people who will actively respond to comments. Thanks man. And then he fails to respond to comments clarifying his... |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 4:18:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And then he fails to respond to comments clarifying his... No man, just didn’t want to get into a pissing match with you. Not my thing. I am a terrible internet user. My issue is when the dot goes down and not having irons. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 4:19:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm pretty sure I understand what he is saying(to an extent) and I understand why it can be difficult. But at the same time you can be "target focused" as you want but if that red dot isn't in your view you aren't going to be hitting it target if you aren't operating on form memory. He didn't give any guidance on exactly what he means or what he wants you to do to improve. I have shot a lot of shotguns, a lot. Is he talking about instinct shooting? Where you aren't looking at the bead just the target? Did you watch the multiple videos that were posted? Of course you didn't. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 4:20:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So are we just not going to address the fact his pistol was lacking irons? Does he teach to not use irons if you are running a rds? Irons are a part of the process. Lmao |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 4:21:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No man, just didn’t want to get into a pissing match with you. Not my thing. I am a terrible internet user. My issue is when the dot goes down and not having irons. Would have been way easier to say that than "it's part of the process of shooting"... we're still going to make fun of you, but now we don't think you're trying to somehow use your irons while using a dot |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 4:25:02 PM EDT
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I'm brain dead at the moment, but what's the point? Don't fixate on the dot? Even experts will struggle finding the dot quickly and that's the way it's supposed to be?
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Posted: 2/21/2024 4:25:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm pretty sure I understand what he is saying(to an extent) and I understand why it can be difficult. But at the same time you can be "target focused" as you want but if that red dot isn't in your view you aren't going to be hitting it target if you aren't operating on form memory. He didn't give any guidance on exactly what he means or what he wants you to do to improve. I have shot a lot of shotguns, a lot. Is he talking about instinct shooting? Where you aren't looking at the bead just the target? I believe in this particular case, he is talking about people who think they are "target focused" but are actually "dot focused". thats why he mentioned looking for the dot, picking up the dot, etc. If you are truly Target focused, and you have a good grip, the dot will come to you. its like this, look at the Arfcom logo in the upper left of your screen, put your mouse on it. now look at your user name in the upper right. move the cursor to you name. did you have to look at the cursor the whole time? did you have to look at how your hand moved the mouse? No, because you are so practiced that you can just drag the cursor to your eyes. do the same thing with your dot on target transitions. |
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