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Posted: 6/2/2023 1:58:30 AM EST
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Posted: 6/2/2023 5:21:04 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How can so many people be so very wrong? Gay-zell-ee is gross as shit. Hiperfire, or larue. Hiperfire shits all over bendy bills cast-stravaganza shit, amd larue matches it for like.. a third the price. If ole billy didnt give so much free shit out to cliques onhere no one would give half a fuck about his junk Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Geissele. How can so many people be so very wrong? Gay-zell-ee is gross as shit. Hiperfire, or larue. Hiperfire shits all over bendy bills cast-stravaganza shit, amd larue matches it for like.. a third the price. If ole billy didnt give so much free shit out to cliques onhere no one would give half a fuck about his junk If everyone is wrong except you, maybe you're the one that's wrong. 
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Posted: 6/2/2023 6:04:48 AM EST
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As to what's currently available, I don't know how the HSNM wasn't the first and only post.
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Posted: 6/2/2023 6:05:17 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Geissele. HSNM |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 6:33:27 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Specifically the national match trigger IMHO. You can adjust it so a breath sets it off.  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Geissele Agreed. Specifically the national match trigger IMHO. You can adjust it so a breath sets it off. This is the correct answer |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 6:53:09 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Geissele. SD-E, because the obvious wasn't stated. |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 9:55:01 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How can so many people be so very wrong? Gay-zell-ee is gross as shit. Hiperfire, or larue. Hiperfire shits all over bendy bills cast-stravaganza shit, amd larue matches it for like.. a third the price. If ole billy didnt give so much free shit out to cliques onhere no one would give half a fuck about his junk |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 9:58:01 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If one trigger costs $100 and a different trigger costs $250, I would expect that the $250 trigger is 2.5 times better, however that is rarely the case. The really expensive triggers are usually better, just not enough better that I think their price is justified. So, I'll go with the 3.5 pound $100 two stage trigger. If there was a price/quality benefits were equal, (IOW the $250 trigger was 2.5 times as good) I would probably buy the $250 one. Until then, I'll wait. My experience has shown me that for price/value/quality the Larue MBT-2 trigger has yet to be beaten. I readily admit Geisselle makes good triggers....I just don't find the price/value/quality to be worthwhile. There's more to it though. In my experience, the MBT was fine until it started getting dirty, worse so with suppressed guns that throw a lot of shit back into the receiver. The MBT's pull gets very gritty and inconsistent the dirtier it gets, whereas the G triggers are pretty consistent as long no matter how much you throw at them. That consistency is worth it to me, so I abandoned all of my MBTs and have Geisseles in all of my rifles now. |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 10:03:40 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Most of the military does that with a stock 8 pound trigger . Exactly. Qualify rifle expert in the "old" Corps with an A2 and you are doing that at 500 yards with that shit milspec trigger. |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 10:05:13 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: SD-E works well for me in that role. SSA-E for me |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 10:05:54 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If one trigger costs $100 and a different trigger costs $250, I would expect that the $250 trigger is 2.5 times better, however that is rarely the case. The really expensive triggers are usually better, just not enough better that I think their price is justified. So, I'll go with the 3.5 pound $100 two stage trigger. If there was a price/quality benefits were equal, (IOW the $250 trigger was 2.5 times as good) I would probably buy the $250 one. Until then, I'll wait. My experience has shown me that for price/value/quality the Larue MBT-2 trigger has yet to be beaten. I readily admit Geisselle makes good triggers....I just don't find the price/value/quality to be worthwhile. The MBT is a fine trigger for the price, but it isn't better than a G trigger. Is it worth it to you? That's your decision. |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 10:06:30 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As to what's currently available, I don't know how the HSNM wasn't the first and only post. Because GD is filled with people that don’t know what they’re talking about and only have one trigger. Maybe two. People are throwing out all kinds of random shit that doesn’t match what OP originally said he was looking for. They’re just listing their favorite (read only) trigger. |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 10:14:24 AM EST
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Man, that’s like asking what’s the best car available today.
I think you have to start out by asking yourself what you prefer, single stage or two stage. I prefer single stage, but to each his own. I have a Geissele 3-gun and a few others, but I keep going back to the JP Enterprises single stage. Not only is it adjustable, but you can polish up the engagement surfaces and get an unreal trigger. Light, smooth, crisp, virtually no take up, short reset. And I can buy two JPEs and have money left over compared to buying a single Geissele 3-gun at full price. I’ve paid as low as $75 for a JPE and my Geissele was $150 during last year’s fall sale at Primary Arms. |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 10:15:55 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: FPNI it can’t be beat for the money. Geissele ssa-e is a better trigger but not for the price difference. That^^ I don’t have a Geisele but I do have an MBT and really like it. Reason I have the MBT instead of the SSAE? Price. |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 10:16:09 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How can so many people be so very wrong? Gay-zell-ee is gross as shit. Hiperfire, or larue. Hiperfire shits all over bendy bills cast-stravaganza shit, amd larue matches it for like.. a third the price. If ole billy didnt give so much free shit out to cliques onhere no one would give half a fuck about his junk 
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Posted: 6/2/2023 10:18:04 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If one trigger costs $100 and a different trigger costs $250, I would expect that the $250 trigger is 2.5 times better, however that is rarely the case. The really expensive triggers are usually better, just not enough better that I think their price is justified. So, I'll go with the 3.5 pound $100 two stage trigger. If there was a price/quality benefits were equal, (IOW the $250 trigger was 2.5 times as good) I would probably buy the $250 one. Until then, I'll wait. My experience has shown me that for price/value/quality the Larue MBT-2 trigger has yet to be beaten. I readily admit Geisselle makes good triggers....I just don't find the price/value/quality to be worthwhile. By that logic is a $100 trigger 5x better than a $20 mil spec trigger? OP asked for the best. When someone wants the best price isn’t usually a consideration. |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 10:58:18 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A direct ratio of cost vs. benefit doesn't apply to the shooting world where the law of diminishing returns is strong. Are my $4k scopes four time better than a $1k scope? No, but they are measurably better, and a worthwhile investment for me. Are my match rifles five times better than a Bergara? No but they are better in every measurable way, and a worthwhile investment for me. The MBT is a fine trigger for the price, but it isn't better than a G trigger. Is it worth it to you? That's your decision. This is exactly it. There are a lot of products which hit the sweet spot in terms of price to performance. In the trigger world you can get a lot of performance around the $100 mark. Is a $250 trigger incrementally better? Yes. Is it worth it to some people for some applications? Certainly. But the vast majority of people will be very well served with a $100 trigger. I’m not putting $250 triggers in every rifle, there’s no reason to waste the money. |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 11:04:01 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Man, that’s like asking what’s the best car available today. I think you have to start out by asking yourself what you prefer, single stage or two stage. I prefer single stage, but to each his own. I have a Geissele 3-gun and a few others, but I keep going back to the JP Enterprises single stage. Not only is it adjustable, but you can polish up the engagement surfaces and get an unreal trigger. Light, smooth, crisp, virtually no take up, short reset. And I can buy two JPEs and have money left over compared to buying a single Geissele 3-gun at full price. I’ve paid as low as $75 for a JPE and my Geissele was $150 during last year’s fall sale at Primary Arms. Damn good point. I strongly prefer 2-stage triggers because I like the "wall" as a known let off point. My LRP-07 has a tuned up single stage trigger from JP. Its a fine precision trigger in its own right. But Im not in my comfort zone when behind it. So for my tastes the 2-stage design of the G HSNM makes it perfect. |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 11:05:24 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Triggertech Diamond AR… |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 11:23:20 AM EST
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Anyone who claims an MBT is better than a Geissele:
A - doesn't shoot enough to know the difference B - has never shot a Geissele |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 12:08:55 PM EST
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Geissele High Speed National Match is the best precision trigger I have experienced, and ironically enough, I only have one of them and it's not in a precision rifle
. I got a smoking deal for Black Friday or some holiday and it was the large pin which I needed for my Colt H-Bar. I feel somewhat guilt for it being in there. I have several other Geisselle triggers in other rifles, and have used the MBT as well. I found what worked for me and stuck with it, no need to keep looking. 
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Posted: 6/2/2023 12:11:13 PM EST
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Any two stage trigger with a clean break will do.
If you need to adjust it down to a hair trigger in order to shoot decent groups, you're doing it to compensate for shitty trigger control. |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 12:20:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Geissele highspeed service rifle 2stage adjustable trigger is the best I've tried. It's my go-to |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 12:23:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: SSA-E is about as good as it gets. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Which one? SSA-E is about as good as it gets. SSA-E is very good. I run it in rifles that will see lots of field use, like hunting, where I don't want the additional complexity of adjustments But the NM is best for 2 stage As others have said the AR Gold is very good, they claim it is 2 stage but the first stage is nearly imperceptible. It's very similar to a good single stage bolt rifle trigger.But I sold mine and standardized on G |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 12:53:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: FPNI it can’t be beat for the money. Geissele ssa-e is a better trigger but not for the price difference. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: LARUE MBT FPNI it can’t be beat for the money. Geissele ssa-e is a better trigger but not for the price difference. 
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Posted: 6/2/2023 12:57:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How can so many people be so very wrong? Gay-zell-ee is gross as shit. Hiperfire, or larue. Hiperfire shits all over bendy bills cast-stravaganza shit, amd larue matches it for like.. a third the price. If ole billy didnt give so much free shit out to cliques onhere no one would give half a fuck about his junk Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Geissele. How can so many people be so very wrong? Gay-zell-ee is gross as shit. Hiperfire, or larue. Hiperfire shits all over bendy bills cast-stravaganza shit, amd larue matches it for like.. a third the price. If ole billy didnt give so much free shit out to cliques onhere no one would give half a fuck about his junk This reads like a certain someone (  ) got drunk on FourLoko and created a new account.
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Posted: 6/2/2023 1:34:12 PM EST
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Posted: 6/2/2023 1:37:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you want ultimate precision, you use one of these. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/206831/1540978547_1425606_jpg-2837839.JPG Just ordered a Calvin Elite. Hope I didn’t waste $ didn’t see it mentioned here. |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 1:38:34 PM EST
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If you want a better trigger Giessele is the answer. I know most suggest the two stage versions but I really like the SSP. I don't care for the take up on two stage triggers, but I guess that's because I'm used to light single stage bolt gun triggers.
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Posted: 6/2/2023 1:46:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone who claims an MBT is better than a Geissele: A - doesn't shoot enough to know the difference B - has never shot a Geissele Thank you. Sometimes I get depressed about GD. Then a beacon of hope shines. Larue trigger is fine for the money. But to say it’s anywhere near a G trigger is crazy. |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 2:03:41 PM EST
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The larue fan bois are showing up hard in this thread. I like marks stuff, I even have 4 MBTs. That being said, to say his mbt is the same or better than a HSNM is straight up idiotic and shows they are talking out of their ass. I have 3 HSNM's in all my precision rigs. Usually when I'm building a precision rifle, I'll throw a mbt in it so I can function check it and even do basic break in and work ups on it while I wait for a HSNM to show up on sale somewhere.
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Posted: 6/2/2023 2:06:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryI have one from a few years ago. It’s no better than an old RRA NM |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 2:08:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Triggertech Diamond AR… This. |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 3:02:14 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone who claims an MBT is better than a Geissele: A - doesn't shoot enough to know the difference B - has never shot a Geissele I'd happily put my MBT-2Ss against my SSA-E any time. Neither are as good as a Hiperfire for a precision rifle. |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 3:04:21 PM EST
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Larue...and I dont even like Larue products
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Posted: 6/2/2023 3:04:54 PM EST
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Triggertech feels like a meme trigger. Virtually no reset travel. Perfect for rapid fire dicking around.
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Posted: 6/2/2023 3:17:04 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Thank you. Sometimes I get depressed about GD. Then a beacon of hope shines. Larue trigger is fine for the money. But to say it’s anywhere near a G trigger is crazy. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Anyone who claims an MBT is better than a Geissele: A - doesn't shoot enough to know the difference B - has never shot a Geissele Thank you. Sometimes I get depressed about GD. Then a beacon of hope shines. Larue trigger is fine for the money. But to say it’s anywhere near a G trigger is crazy. It’s often VERY near, sometimes as good as or better than the mid and lower tier G triggers. The G-NM is not a mid or lower tier G trigger though. |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 3:25:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s often VERY near, sometimes as good as or better than the mid and lower tier G triggers. The G-NM is not a mid or lower tier G trigger though. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Anyone who claims an MBT is better than a Geissele: A - doesn't shoot enough to know the difference B - has never shot a Geissele Thank you. Sometimes I get depressed about GD. Then a beacon of hope shines. Larue trigger is fine for the money. But to say it’s anywhere near a G trigger is crazy. It’s often VERY near, sometimes as good as or better than the mid and lower tier G triggers. The G-NM is not a mid or lower tier G trigger though. It’s not. I’ve sold every MBT I’ve bought because it’s not. I’d love to save money on triggers but the MBT is not G-level in any way, shape, or form. It’s not even close. |
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Posted: 6/2/2023 3:31:21 PM EST
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I like the MBT and the higher end Hyperfires
ETA: I love Gissele triggers, but he cost over the MBT for a percentage of an improvement is not worth it for 99% of people. |
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