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Posted: 5/11/2020 10:18:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 110: Gladius, Short sword, Katana, Bastard That one dood killed 40 robbers on a train in India with a kukri, so I think short sword is a solid pick. |
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Posted: 5/11/2020 10:19:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BUCC_Guy: Halberd. Hook em, hack em, stab em. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img924/5823/cdwp6e.jpg Arquebus; all that plus shoot em |
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Posted: 5/11/2020 10:20:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fttam: https://media.giphy.com/media/mKPTMhAlmhlRu/giphy.gif Tonfas made from wood-planes would also be acceptable |
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Posted: 5/11/2020 10:24:32 AM EDT
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There is a story from 1800s about a Bushi waking past a construction site where the workers began to taunt the samurai. The Bushi had fallen into bad light by that time in Japanese society.
There was a fight. Supposedly ending with a pile of bodies and the samurai still standing. Police said it was self defense but the time of the sword was over. Maybe someone could find the account. The point being that a weapon has to be quick and nimble when dealing with multiples. One and done. That's not applicable to impact weapons as much as sword. Impact weapons depend on power which means a swing which takes time. They also don't deliver as reliable of an incapacitating wound. Maybe the Euro combo of long and short sword might be better. I don't know much about that style or even remember the name for it. I'm sure someone will. |
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Posted: 5/11/2020 10:26:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hardcorps1775: Or it's big brother, the trench club. https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/91oVVklLK0L._SL1500_.jpg "So, you want that up your ass?" --bad guy, pointing at your war club 
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Posted: 5/11/2020 10:43:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By onthebreeze: Is that true? I was under the impression that swords were mostly fairy tale material and that most armed combat was with spears due to better reach, being easier to swing, and requiring way less metal to produce. Battlefield combat and personal combat would be two separate categories. Swords were not used very readily within about a field purpose except as a secondary weapon because polearms give reach and allowed formation fighting. However as a secondary Battlefield weapon or for personal arms to carry around the sword was King. Nobody was carrying around a halberd despite the fact that it is a better weapon. This Thread is kind of fubar is so many people are leaving swords on the table in favor of smaller weapons. When it comes to weapons reach is King. I would much rather have a longsword with a three and a half foot reach then a kukri and a six in reach. |
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Posted: 5/11/2020 10:47:44 AM EDT
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gun
sword, something like a normal-size (not cavalry length) saber with a sturdy handguard for bashing karambit and the skills to open up necks and disembowel people quickly, which will cause some distance and the horror will buy time to escape In the above order. Anything blunt will get grabbed once the distance closes ETA: People will not close with someone disemboweling others with a sword. They just won't. Swords are scary as hell especially in a culture where they are not commonly used. |
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Posted: 5/11/2020 10:49:15 AM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ridgerunner9876: There is a story from 1800s about a Bushi waking past a construction site where the workers began to taunt the samurai. The Bushi had fallen into bad light by that time in Japanese society. There was a fight. Supposedly ending with a pile of bodies and the samurai still standing. Police said it was self defense but the time of the sword was over. Maybe someone could find the account. The point being that a weapon has to be quick and nimble when dealing with multiples. One and done. That's not applicable to impact weapons as much as sword. Impact weapons depend on power which means a swing which takes time. They also don't deliver as reliable of an incapacitating wound. Maybe the Euro combo of long and short sword might be better. I don't know much about that style or even remember the name for it. I'm sure someone will. Yeah, katana are hell on helpless peasants, for sure
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Posted: 5/11/2020 10:51:54 AM EDT
[#9]
30 second bomb.
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Posted: 5/11/2020 11:01:52 AM EDT
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Just cast a Frost Nova, it will clear out everyone around you at once.
 ETA: if we're being serious, assuming an untrained person, then a big knife or gladius. Small, fast, and your attackers can't grab it by the business end and take it away from you like they could with a bat or club. If they press up on you with a bat, you're done. With a knife or short sword you can still cut your way out. For everyone saying polearms, I would agree but they aren't "hand to hand" weapons IMO they are battlefield standoff weapons. Hand to hand to me implies close-quarters so that's why I answered the way I did. 
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Posted: 5/11/2020 11:10:46 AM EDT
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Small aluminum bat with no mods. Add a baseball and mitt to go along with it in your car. Think along the lines of what would make sense to a gathering of, say 12 citizens, who might be deciding if your actions were reasonable . Now, if you are on a Viking raid, a tomahawk has throughout history been a great choice. Regards
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Posted: 5/11/2020 11:16:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lafmedic1: got her last week on sale at midway. anyone know if an etool cover will fit? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/213498/00E1C201-E27E-468B-9A1D-11ACB27849B0_jpe-1410724.JPG I have a couple. They are pretty cool shovels and self-defense weapons. ETA: Mine came with nylon/synthetic covers but the "originals" use heavy cloth of some sort, and I've seen them with leather but that may be aftermarket. |
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Posted: 5/11/2020 11:16:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By barnbwt: Yeah, katana are hell on helpless peasants, for sure Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By barnbwt: Originally Posted By Ridgerunner9876: There is a story from 1800s about a Bushi waking past a construction site where the workers began to taunt the samurai. The Bushi had fallen into bad light by that time in Japanese society. There was a fight. Supposedly ending with a pile of bodies and the samurai still standing. Police said it was self defense but the time of the sword was over. Maybe someone could find the account. The point being that a weapon has to be quick and nimble when dealing with multiples. One and done. That's not applicable to impact weapons as much as sword. Impact weapons depend on power which means a swing which takes time. They also don't deliver as reliable of an incapacitating wound. Maybe the Euro combo of long and short sword might be better. I don't know much about that style or even remember the name for it. I'm sure someone will. Yeah, katana are hell on helpless peasants, for sure Like I said. I wish I could find the account. They were construction workers presumably armed with tools and they attacked the samurai. The bushido had declined to a low point at that time. 1880 Or so iirc. Maybe a bit earlier. |
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Posted: 5/11/2020 11:19:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By disturbed0013: Flame thrower 
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Posted: 5/11/2020 11:35:32 AM EDT
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No gentlemen should be without one of these as well. This one's a real Blackthorn. Had it for a couple years now. You can get them for around $150 shipped from the old country.
Light weight and hard as stone. They'll do damage.  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/11/2020 12:02:05 PM EDT
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First choice- 2 machetes
Second choice- 1 machete in right hand, karambit in left Third choice- karambit in each hand Fourth choice- 32 inch Chinese wax wood stick in right hand, karambit in left Fifth choice- 2 sticks Last resort- any solid object that resembles a stick about 32 inches long After 6 years of kali training, I would still not want to face off with multiple people. The object in that fight would be to limit the amount of people that can come at me from multiple directions. Then start breaking joints or cutting them. We have a saying, “If you give it to me I will cut it”. Punch at me and I’ll cut your fingers off or break them. It’s pretty simple. I can’t wait for COVID to end to get back to training...  |
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Posted: 5/11/2020 1:05:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Arquebus; all that plus shoot em Quote HistoryQuoted: Arquebus; all that plus shoot em Done and done.   Attached File |
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Posted: 5/11/2020 1:58:50 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By barnbwt: Yeah, katana are hell on helpless peasants, for sure they scared the fuck out of westerners, that's for sure. "In Japan, it was necessary for every man to carry a pistol; but the Japanese [with their swords] invariably got the better of every man carrying one, even when he had it in his hand… …I maintain the great fault in our swords is that they will not cut. Use them as much as you like, unless you have them specially sharpened the night before, they are useless. In the cut, our swords are useless in nine cases out of ten. The Japanese use two-handed swords; if we could use them, I should say cut by all means; for they never want a second cut." -from “On Military Equipment,” Journal of the Royal United Service Institution, cited in the modern 'swordsmen of the british empire' |
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Posted: 5/11/2020 1:59:27 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Boom_Stick: All you guys are wrong. Perfect weapon for this application is a motherfucker. Effectiveness of the motherfucker at close range is devastating. Also if someone gets outside motherfucker range, you can THROW the motherfucker and still achieve sizeable damage. Never underestimate the motherfucker in the hands of an amateur wielding the motherfucker.  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/11/2020 2:03:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By onthebreeze: Is that true? I was under the impression that swords were mostly fairy tale material and that most armed combat was with spears due to better reach, being easier to swing, and requiring way less metal to produce. swords were generally status symbols and PDWs. polearms were much more common weapons of war for the reasons that you cite. but the OP's question isn't limited to the battlefield, so heavy antiarmor weapons like pollaxes and pikes aren't universally best. |
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Posted: 5/11/2020 2:06:24 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By barnbwt: Arquebus; all that plus shoot em 
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Posted: 5/11/2020 2:12:47 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bale2011: War club https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/259519/DB56EC62-395D-444F-9814-75827D29D472_jpe-1410461.JPG I’ve got one! If there’s anything dumb from Cold Steel, I’m your man! Spears Blowguns War clubs Viking axe Etc... |
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Posted: 5/11/2020 2:13:03 PM EDT
[#23]
Machine gun
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Posted: 5/11/2020 2:36:30 PM EDT
[#24]
A lightsaber is the obvious winner after binge reading all 5 pages while supposedly house cleaning and day drinking.
That Being said, for real life the long knife/tomahawk combo or the sword are the obvious winners based on posts. OP, add a fucking pole dude 
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Posted: 5/11/2020 2:49:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By barnbwt: Tonfas made from wood-planes would also be acceptable Heh. I think you're the only other person I've seen mention tonfas - like, in my life. But, despite having screwed around with them for the past 20 some odd years, I'd still pass on them. |
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Posted: 5/11/2020 2:53:12 PM EDT
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Zombie Tools "The Duece"
 Zombie Tools: Destroying the Deuce You are literally cutting truck hoods and bicycles in half. It would be removing arms. |
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Posted: 5/11/2020 3:20:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Heh. I think you're the only other person I've seen mention tonfas - like, in my life. But, despite having screwed around with them for the past 20 some odd years, I'd still pass on them.  |
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Posted: 5/11/2020 5:09:04 PM EDT
[#28]
 Attached FileMy wife carries this in her car I wouldn't want to be anywhere near her when she weilds that thing I'm pretty sure she could wing you with it at 50 ft |
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Posted: 5/11/2020 5:12:34 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By C-4: Just don’t cut yourself with it. We’ve done a decent amount of training with them. They can be horrific on your opponent and difficult to defend against. I know people who carry them.Too late. Learning is bleeding. |
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Posted: 5/11/2020 5:27:37 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ahnglw: Beneath the secret compartment of my ring I fill with my UnderDog Super Energy Pill.https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/206146/1B0FEC21-1496-4FDD-933A-F05166FC522D_jpe-1410466.JPG Yes, yes...you take Viagra. We already know. |
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Posted: 5/11/2020 6:08:05 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep, you wouldn't even have to throw it. The bad guys would just run away. Kind of like racking a round in on a pump action shotgun. |
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Posted: 5/11/2020 6:40:20 PM EDT
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multiple threats?
Hmm, guess it all depends on what threats, and also what level of training. With some training, I like something that can work as a parrying weapon, while also having some reach and still giving you the opportunity to work close in. Not a weapon that penetrates - but something like a crushing or impact trauma weapon. My choice would be a Hussite flail, somewhat modified - similar to what this guy has:  Get rid of the spikes on the flail end, use a single link of chain, and keep about that length. The practice like hell with it. |
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Posted: 5/11/2020 6:43:06 PM EDT
[#33]
Guardrail nut on a stout piece of string. Or a tonfa.
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Posted: 5/11/2020 6:43:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sirensong: montante would be extremely tough to beat since the weapon and technique were designed exactly for that purpose, but it takes time to get into the fight. great if you're aware of the threat, but as a day-to-day practical PDW, probably not the best. naginata deserves mention, as does the halberd (though the latter is an antiarmor weapon that is a bit slower). clubbing-type weapons like a bat or mace don't belong the conversation--they just can't compete. They seemed to work for Mushashi. |
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Posted: 5/11/2020 6:44:07 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By twistedcomrade: Firefighter axe.  Halligan tool. 
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Posted: 5/11/2020 6:59:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonS: They seemed to work for Mushashi. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonS: Originally Posted By sirensong: montante would be extremely tough to beat since the weapon and technique were designed exactly for that purpose, but it takes time to get into the fight. great if you're aware of the threat, but as a day-to-day practical PDW, probably not the best. naginata deserves mention, as does the halberd (though the latter is an antiarmor weapon that is a bit slower). clubbing-type weapons like a bat or mace don't belong the conversation--they just can't compete. They seemed to work for Mushashi. musashi used a wooden sword, not a mace or bat. the difference is significant. the only guy to ever beat him (or fight him to a draw, depending on whose ryuha is telling the story) used a jo--the equivalent of a very long wooden sword or a short staff. neither of them is a clubbing-type weapon like a mace or a bat. but even if this wasn't the case, it's immaterial. SOF guys can make a shotgun work, but that doesn't make a shotgun the best choice. musashi was beating grown men--highly trained grown men--in his teens. you're a martial artist, so you understand what time in training means. he was so much better than everyone else that he could have used a barstool to beat people. but even if he did, a barstool wouldn't be the right choice. |
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Posted: 5/11/2020 7:03:02 PM EDT
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I found a recording of the old training scenarios.
Of this student is any idea citation, the slower speed of the bo staff can be mitigates somewhat through repeated application of the high vertical jump combined with forward flip.  TMNT arcade game (1989) |
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Posted: 5/11/2020 7:05:24 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ourichie: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/277883/30AAB04B-30CA-4ACF-872C-C632DE29ACA9_jpe-1410722.JPG Oh shit, that looks like the bat one member built with broadhead razor tips screwed into it. Fucking terrible looking. And i remember one response in that thread (if i may misquote), "I can't imagine standing in front of a jury and trying to describe WHY i need a bat with arrow heads in it." ETA: he also could screw in field points so it was not so cutty but still nasty. |
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Posted: 5/11/2020 7:08:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Silverbulletz06: Swords were kings of the battlefield for centuries as a defensive weapon. Spear give you reach. Swords are a compromise weapon. Not as good at stabbing as a spear and not as good at cutting/chopping as an axe but decent at both (depending on the sword config - a rapier isn’t that great for cutting). For modern times, maybe a bayonet affixed to a rifle. |
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Posted: 5/11/2020 7:13:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Drakich: Swords are a compromise weapon. Not as good at stabbing as a spear and not as good at cutting/chopping as an axe but decent at both (depending on the sword config - a rapier isn’t that great for cutting). For modern times, maybe a bayonet affixed to a rifle. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Drakich: Originally Posted By Silverbulletz06: Swords were kings of the battlefield for centuries as a defensive weapon. Spear give you reach. Swords are a compromise weapon. Not as good at stabbing as a spear and not as good at cutting/chopping as an axe but decent at both (depending on the sword config - a rapier isn’t that great for cutting). For modern times, maybe a bayonet affixed to a rifle. Bayonets are a vital component of combat rifles. At the VERY LEAST, you should be carrying a utility knife anyhow. And once you are, there's no reason not to have the hardware to attach it to your rifle. Sometimes you need to shoot your enemy. Sometimes, you need to hold him in one place for a half hour until help arrives. Sometimes your gun jams while a bad guy is rushing you. A combat rifle isn't complete without a bayonet, any more than it's complete without a light, sling, or spare magazines. |
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Posted: 5/11/2020 7:19:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rojoko: Grenade FTW. or Claymore mine |
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Posted: 5/11/2020 7:30:14 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Drakich: Swords are a compromise weapon. Not as good at stabbing as a spear and not as good at cutting/chopping as an axe but decent at both (depending on the sword config - a rapier isn’t that great for cutting). For modern times, maybe a bayonet affixed to a rifle. cutting is substantially different than chopping, and most swords are much, much better at cutting than an axe. |
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Posted: 5/11/2020 7:35:25 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/11/2020 7:36:44 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KAZ22: Small aluminum bat with no mods. Add a baseball and mitt to go along with it in your car. Think along the lines of what would make sense to a gathering of, say 12 citizens, who might be deciding if your actions were reasonable . Now, if you are on a Viking raid, a tomahawk has throughout history been a great choice. Regards Tomahawk was used do to a lack of steel, otherwise they would have all had swords. |
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Posted: 5/11/2020 7:47:02 PM EDT
[#45]
I think a good D guard Bowie would be pretty effective.
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Posted: 5/11/2020 7:48:02 PM EDT
[#46]
After watching Kingdom of Heaven Directors cut,.. I really want a war hammer....
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Posted: 5/11/2020 7:49:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dirtyboy: Tomahawk was used do to a lack of steel, otherwise they would have all had swords. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dirtyboy: Originally Posted By KAZ22: Small aluminum bat with no mods. Add a baseball and mitt to go along with it in your car. Think along the lines of what would make sense to a gathering of, say 12 citizens, who might be deciding if your actions were reasonable . Now, if you are on a Viking raid, a tomahawk has throughout history been a great choice. Regards Tomahawk was used do to a lack of steel, otherwise they would have all had swords. I disagree. In a lot of medieval fighting, they had access to whatever weapons they wanted, but a sword was always considered a sidearm, like a pistol. Bows, spears, axes, and hammers were generally considered the primary weapon. |
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Posted: 5/11/2020 7:53:05 PM EDT
[#48]
Gladius Hispaniensis if you like stabby stabby or a two-handed Dacian falx if you like slicey dicey.
 Me seeing weebs with folded 9000 times katanawanazakis, indigenous native clubs/hammers, and spearsbois without a bunch of other spearmen flanking them posting in this thread. |
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Posted: 5/11/2020 8:04:35 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sirensong: the level of wrong in this post is impressive. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sirensong: Originally Posted By hawktheslayer: Polearms are NOT melee weapons. Read the OP's post. He said "hand-to-hand" weapons for multple threats. Ask anyone who has trained in silat or kali about fighting with two blades or a stick and a knife, sword and dagger (espada y daga). It can be done quite easily and even beginners can become extremely proficient in it if you train for it. The only REAL trouble you can have dual weilding is if your weapons are too long; like trying to use two long swords or broadswords. They'll inevitably get tangled up and get you killed. Very, very difficult to manage two long blades in hand-to-hand combat. Certainly a bladed spear like a partisan or a polearm like a ranseur or bec de corbin might be okay if you had your back covered and multiple dudes to form a line. However, we're talking melee weapons, bro. Multiple attackers. For multiple attackers, you need to be able to engage, disengage, vary your angle of attacks and quickly movie to crowd your attackers and act/react within fractions of a second. Even then, it's no guarantee. While spears have their place, in such close quarters, you're better off with short blades/hammer/shield combo. It's BO staff, not BOW staff. And bo staffs will get you fucking killed in a group with multiple attackers. The first person you poke might take a hit, but before you can withdraw and re-engage it's getting snatched up by one of your attackers. It's far too long to manage in close quarters with multiple attackers. Sure, you can spin it like a dumbass in a kung-fu movie, but the minute your hit somebody, it's speed and energy transfer takes place. You're vulnerable for LONG seconds with a long stick that's easy to take away from you. Especially with multiple attackers. OP was talking "hand-to-hand" range. Bo staffs are shit for that. the level of wrong in this post is impressive. What's actually amazing to me are the number of self-defense and combat experts who routinely show up to piss upon people who actually know what they're talking about and can neither read or comprehend basic English. You need to read a book or ten, get some actual martial arts training, actually practice sparring with sticks, fake knives, training swords, fencing foils, shinais, and THEN instead of coming back with retarded statements, come up with an actual, logical argument why I'm wrong. Nothing that I said was wrong. However, your assertion that I was wrong makes you not only wrong; but not very experienced, etiher.  |
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Posted: 5/11/2020 8:04:45 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By blackghost: Bo staff for less-lethal option, short spear if lethal force authorized. Outside the box: chainsaw. Nobody is going to try and rush in on you while you have that thing powered up. Brushless battery, not gasoline. You don't want to stall it, plus the instant start up is good for ambushes. Kharn |
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