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Posted: 7/4/2017 9:58:12 AM EDT
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I don't know how big he was, but he must have been impressive.
What I find more fascinating is the fact that God was with David in that very moment and such a young lad had the courage to stand against a towering and formidable man. I think God guided that stone. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 10:00:03 AM EDT
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How old is the Earth according to the bible? |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 10:01:02 AM EDT
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He was 3 idontgiveafuck's tall. Isn't their a forum for this?
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Posted: 7/4/2017 10:01:08 AM EDT
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Less than 3 cubits. Probably less than 2. 
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Posted: 7/4/2017 10:04:16 AM EDT
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This is a no-go. I'm asking the questions - from a reputable source. The height of Goliath is static. We have that. Published via translation, for all to see Now, how about David? How tall was he? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have recently started trying to read the bible through, and I have a similar question. It says the Ark was 300 cubits in length, 50 cubits in width and 30 cubits in height and that when the flood occurred that the water rose 30 cubits. BUT where it gets interesting is that it clearly says that it covered mountains and so on. So how fucking big is a cubit, and imagine the size of the Ark in comparison So if he was 6 cubits tall, I imagine he had to have been a monster because he's like a fifth as tall as the Ark according to the bible. I'm asking the questions - from a reputable source. The height of Goliath is static. We have that. Published via translation, for all to see Now, how about David? How tall was he? |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 10:06:17 AM EDT
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Satan can't get a hold on anyone without their acquiescence. What does that say about "them?" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sad but true, I guess satan's got a hold on them... Says they're willing to go along for the ride to hell... |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 10:06:31 AM EDT
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I like the Andre vs Tom Cruise analogy.
I look at it like the history and origin of one family or bloodline. After Cain killed Able where did he go? The land of Nod... |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 10:08:09 AM EDT
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I have read where some estimate he was 6'4" or thereabouts. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Even at 6'9" he'd most likely be a foot taller than the biggest of Israelites and 18" taller than the average man of the time. King Saul was supposed to have been a very large man and he probably didn't even hit six feet. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 10:09:50 AM EDT
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He was 3 idontgiveafuck's tall. Isn't their a forum for this? |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 10:12:18 AM EDT
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Considering Saul tried to convince David to wear his (Saul's) personal armor, it is unlikely that Saul was anywhere near that tall. My educated guess is Saul's height approached six feet (but probably wasn't quite there) while David was about six inches shorter, give or take an inch. I don't think we will ever really know the exact sizes of these men. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 10:13:03 AM EDT
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Nobody names their kids after losers.......
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Posted: 7/4/2017 10:22:40 AM EDT
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Whew! Thank the mighty Odin that someone really took the time to classify giants for us. http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/275/034/8c2.jpg |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 10:24:29 AM EDT
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Obviously space aliens, y'all betta git ya history straight! They be teachin dis in da history class soon yo!
 Goliath was Annunaki bloodline and were called Nephilim!!! |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 10:29:57 AM EDT
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That makes sense but maybe they are wrong on estimates of David's size? I don't think we will ever really know the exact sizes of these men. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Considering Saul tried to convince David to wear his (Saul's) personal armor, it is unlikely that Saul was anywhere near that tall. My educated guess is Saul's height approached six feet (but probably wasn't quite there) while David was about six inches shorter, give or take an inch. I don't think we will ever really know the exact sizes of these men. Saul was mostly known for his stature, that was one of the biggest (no pun intended) reasons for him being selected to be king. However, there isn't any literary proof that I know of that suggested he was abnormally large compared to his countrymen. At 6'4", he'd have been almost a foot taller than everybody else, which doesn't fit what is written about him. I think the sweet spot for his height is just under 6', most likely 5'11", which would have been about 4-6" taller than just about everybody around him. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 10:38:48 AM EDT
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If I am interested, I read multiple sources. When it comes to the bible and speaking to people of any religion..it seems that they have one source. If you doubt that source, you are a bad person. Most of the people I have met that believe in this, have believed since they were a child. Their parents taught them that it is the truth. They are doing the same with their kids. If you teach a kid from a young age that one book is the way of life and all others are wrong...the kid is likely going to believe that and carry that for the rest of their lives. Do you ever have doubts about your atheism? |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 10:43:00 AM EDT
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Does the Bible state that Goliath was a Nephilim? Where? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nephilim are pretty big.. We even saw the Nephilim there." (The offspring of Anak were descended from the Nephilim.) "To ourselves we seemed like grasshoppers, and we must have seemed the same to them." Numbers 13:33 CSB |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 10:43:16 AM EDT
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Great Ted talk on how David easily kicked Goliath's ass.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziGD7vQOwl8And Goliath was blind the whole time... amazing insight. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 10:43:57 AM EDT
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I imagine Goliath had a pituitary gland tumor and was therefore very tall but hardly formidable. People with that problem and that tall are plagued with health problems and can't even get out of their own way.
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Posted: 7/4/2017 10:47:51 AM EDT
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I get the exaggeration but... it doesn;t sound like a big deal. Why was it a big deal, in that era? And nutritional limitations would be limiting the growth potential of most people. So even with someone having the genetic potential to be that tall, to actually attain it would be no small wonder. So being that tall in that time would probably be more unusual than would being that tall today. So you have a guy that not only dwarfs everyone by a comparative margin greater than it would be today, but he is also so well physically developed that he has become their very best in armed combat and is the champion of their army. There's no way they roll out some clumsy gaunt scarecrow simply because he's tall. If the scriptures are true, Goliath actually was pretty impressive. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 10:47:56 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/4/2017 10:48:25 AM EDT
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The Bible doesn't weigh in on the matter. I used to believe that the Earth was young. I not only don't much believe that anymore, I absolutely don't care either way, because it doesn't matter. Even evolution, yay or nay (I believe nay) doesn't matter. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 10:52:22 AM EDT
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6'9" tall
How much could he bench press though isn't that the real question? 
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Posted: 7/4/2017 10:56:03 AM EDT
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So... are we going to page 2, without answering my question? How big, was David? 1 Samuel 17:33 Then (King) Saul said to David, “You are not able to go against this Philistine to fight with him; for you are but a youth..." 38 Then Saul clothed David with his garments and put a bronze helmet on his head, and he clothed him with armor. 39 David girded his sword over his armor and tried to walk, for he had not tested them. So Saul tried to outfit David in the king's own armor, but the armor was too large and too heavy for David. In all fairness to this comparison, Saul was a large man. David, in all probability, is a young teen. His eldest brother accuses him of coming to see the battle, implying (to me) that he thinks David is not old enough to behave responsibly. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 10:58:04 AM EDT
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When humans get that tall, they normally would be less effective as a soldier. They have all sorts of phyisical limitations and health issues. So even if Goliath's height alone would have been enough to cow some, there is no way he made it through life without someone testing him...particularly in the military. Don't we think that some moderately skilled spearman really wouldn't have much trouble taking down an oafish, clumsy, slow, uncoordinated enemy? So you have a guy that not only dwarfs everyone by a comparative margin greater than it would be today, but he is also so well physically developed that he has become their very best in armed combat and is the champion of their army. There's no way they roll out some clumsy gaunt scarecrow simply because he's tall. If the scriptures are true, Goliath actually was pretty impressive. I think it is also entirely possible that he really did have poor eyesight, too, which explains what the scripture says about him. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 10:58:30 AM EDT
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It was all pretend anyway
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Posted: 7/4/2017 10:58:55 AM EDT
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When the twelve spies were scouting Canaan, and saw the Anakim, they either thought they were seeing Nephilim or used the name Nephilim to describe the stature of the sons of Anak. We even saw the Nephilim there." (The offspring of Anak were descended from the Nephilim.) "To ourselves we seemed like grasshoppers, and we must have seemed the same to them." Numbers 13:33 CSB |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 11:00:15 AM EDT
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What about the people the Bible says live almost 1000 years? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No idea but I'm guessing that assuming it was a real battle with real people, he wasn't that big compared to what we think of today. Nutrition for those dudes would have sucked and limited growth. Sumerian records covering the same period say their people lived 10s of thousands of years. There may have been things going on that we don't understand today. It's history (not reproducible), not science (reproducible). |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 11:05:18 AM EDT
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The Bible? The Bible is not a history book... |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 11:05:33 AM EDT
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I think there is one part of the Bible that says David's father asked him if he wanted to use his armor suit to fight Goliath. David refused but his father is reputedly to be a LARGE man also. So, I don't know that we will ever really have a good handle on how big David was, or turned out to be when he got older...............??? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Simply because we have one source, doesn't mean that source is true or factual. It just means we have one source. David refused but his father is reputedly to be a LARGE man also. So, I don't know that we will ever really have a good handle on how big David was, or turned out to be when he got older...............??? It was King Saul, not David's dad. See one of my previous posts in this thread for references. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 11:06:25 AM EDT
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Six cubits, and a span is the definitive answer. How big was David? The Bible does not say, so we don't know. But he was most likely a normal sized young man for that time. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 11:06:27 AM EDT
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What round for Goliath?? |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 11:08:46 AM EDT
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You can't have a thread about Christianity without the special snowflakes coming in to post their drivel. Its a different story if its chicks with dicks thread.... They love those. Christianity however, ruffles their jimmies. 
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Posted: 7/4/2017 11:08:48 AM EDT
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The Bible? The Bible is not a history book... |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 11:10:12 AM EDT
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@RDak It was King Saul, not David's dad. See one of my previous posts in this thread for references. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 11:13:43 AM EDT
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Many of us question our faith often. We're not blind followers. Do you ever have doubts about your atheism? For me, I will never know exactly what causes me to question my lack of faith, but I suspect it is the years of being force fed Christian doctrine as a child. When I look at the subject objectively I keep coming back to a total lack of evidence for gods existance, and feel silly for letting the superstitions I was raised with influence me. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 11:13:45 AM EDT
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David had small hands, a great trait for a leader
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Posted: 7/4/2017 11:18:43 AM EDT
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And as far as Goliath, I may give weight to the Septuagint, 4Q51 Samuel^a, and Josephus, and say Goliath was 6'9". You may give weight where you choose, but the proper study of history (usually called the Historical Method, or the Documentary Method) will assign weight in accordance with my first sentence above. Edit: Forgot to add BC after 721 |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 11:18:53 AM EDT
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Personally, yes I have often questioned my lack of belief in god. Most athiests I know have struggled with this their whole lives as well. And I respect you for admitting you question your own faith. For me, I will never know exactly what causes me to question my lack of faith, but I suspect it is the years of being force fed Christian doctrine as a child. When I look at the subject objectively I keep coming back to a total lack of evidence for gods existance, and feel silly for letting the superstitions I was raised with influence me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Many of us question our faith often. We're not blind followers. Do you ever have doubts about your atheism? For me, I will never know exactly what causes me to question my lack of faith, but I suspect it is the years of being force fed Christian doctrine as a child. When I look at the subject objectively I keep coming back to a total lack of evidence for gods existance, and feel silly for letting the superstitions I was raised with influence me. However, my story is quite different. For some of us, God has done things that cannot be discounted, dismissed, minimized, or ignored. I am one of those people. I often wonder if He will judge me differently or more strictly because of my experiences and hold me more accountable. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 11:22:01 AM EDT
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@maggiethecat Sumerian records covering the same period say their people lived 10s of thousands of years. There may have been things going on that we don't understand today. It's history (not reproducible), not science (reproducible). |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 11:23:53 AM EDT
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Since we're talking about giaganticism and whether or not Goliath had it, I have a serious medical question. If people with that problem have a pituitary gland that is out of control, can't the gland be removed? Do you need it to live?
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Posted: 7/4/2017 11:27:33 AM EDT
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...according to the TED talk video above, David's stone was traveling at the speed equivalent to a 45mm handgun round. So 45mm it is. 
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Posted: 7/4/2017 11:28:29 AM EDT
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The Bible is a book of mythology, not a history book. Does it possibly contain some real history? Sure, but it also contains errors, contradictions and fairy tales. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It certainly is. Can you name other 2-5k year old history books and do you give them the same scrutiny? Are you as skeptical about the Amarna tablets? Do you give weight to all the Babylonian texts found? As for the OP, the Bible doesn't give David's height but says he was a youth, so a teenager. Probably skinny. Everybody was. Your complete ignorance of the study of antiquity is showing there. But you keep on keeping on, your faith in your belief system is far stronger than mine. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 11:30:04 AM EDT
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I often wonder if He will judge me differently or more strictly because of my experiences and hold me more accountable. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 11:30:29 AM EDT
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I imagine Goliath had a pituitary gland tumor and was therefore very tall but hardly formidable. People with that problem and that tall are plagued with health problems and can't even get out of their own way. https://i.ytimg.com/vi/smGf37s64sc/maxresdefault.jpg |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 11:31:00 AM EDT
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He was roughly the height of a very tall NBA player.
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Posted: 7/4/2017 11:31:22 AM EDT
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Thats probably a decent comparison honestly. Anamolies have always existed, and by that measurement Goliath would have been 9+ feet. Exaggeration may have obviously been part of the book. yes, cause no one ever measures themselves or animals they kill...... |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 11:32:21 AM EDT
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@Badseed 1 Samuel 17:33 Then (King) Saul said to David, “You are not able to go against this Philistine to fight with him; for you are but a youth..." 38 Then Saul clothed David with his garments and put a bronze helmet on his head, and he clothed him with armor. 39 David girded his sword over his armor and tried to walk, for he had not tested them. So Saul tried to outfit David in the king's own armor, but the armor was too large and too heavy for David. In all fairness to this comparison, Saul was a large man. David, in all probability, is a young teen. His eldest brother accuses him of coming to see the battle, implying (to me) that he thinks David is not old enough to behave responsibly. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 11:32:53 AM EDT
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If you don't like GD's responses to your constant religious trolling, you have a special safe space in the Religion forum. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You can't have a thread about Christianity without the special snowflakes coming in to post their drivel. Its a different story if its chicks with dicks thread.... They love those. Christianity however, ruffles their jimmies. 
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Posted: 7/4/2017 11:34:39 AM EDT
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@usmc_delaware according to the TED talk video above, David's stone was traveling at the speed equivalent to a 45mm handgun round. So 45mm it is. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 11:35:51 AM EDT
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Goliath was probably a 7 footer and David was 4,5,I'm sure it was embellished
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