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Posted: 6/8/2021 9:12:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I know this is obvious but there needs to be a HUGE fucking fire mission on here once the comments open on this rule change (if they haven’t already). Maybe one of the resident attorneys on here can come up with a template comment for those of us who don’t have a way with words. @Honda4828 You cannot reuse a previously posted comment on a proposed rule. It will get tossed as a duplicate. |
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Posted: 6/8/2021 9:12:30 AM EDT
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Where are you people shooting that you're concerned about someone checking for stamps? I'm not Richie Rich shooting on my 1000 acres, i go to the ghetto ranges and occasionally the nicer indoor places when it rains. I used to go shoot on public lands when there were public lands in TX to shoot on. Have never had mine, or seen someone else's weapon inspected by LE, or even heard of anyone being asked for their stamp. I've shot with some folks with SBRs and had some take home goodies from work that I've shot at public ranges and never been acosted. Just carry on as you have. If you have a range thats participating in this silliness then call them out here.
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Posted: 6/8/2021 9:12:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Tailhooks without length adjustment or folding adapters pass. The original sb brace passes. You can still fail on other metrics like weight(both low and high), overall length, magnified optics, front grips and even flip up sights add a point towards failing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Too many hoops.... Too arbitrary.... Too late.... I'm curious as to what braces sold today, as is, would actually pass as a brace. I don't think anyone will get rid of their brace (some might take them off), and there will be lawsuits for years....assuming this even goes through. You can still fail on other metrics like weight(both low and high), overall length, magnified optics, front grips and even flip up sights add a point towards failing. I bet they included flip up sights because of the multitude of pistols coming with MBUS sights. Cheap and light weight, so ATF figured to include them. Kharn |
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Posted: 6/8/2021 9:15:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Too many hoops.... Too arbitrary.... Too late.... I'm curious as to what braces sold today, as is, would actually pass as a brace. I don't think anyone will get rid of their brace (some might take them off), and there will be lawsuits for years....assuming this even goes through. Read the proposal. SB mini. They even posted a picture of a braced pistol that passed their test. |
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Posted: 6/8/2021 9:15:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Its the most absurd thing I've ever seen come out of government in 20+ years i've been .gov. Its literally more difficult to determine if a brace is compliant than to determine the required staffing ratio at a medicaid certified 300 bed intermediate care facility for the intellectually and developmentally disabled. 1. Millions of guns were sold under prior guidance by AFT as legal pistols but would now (under proposed rule) be unregistered SBR's. Based on recent federal court decisions this won't stand once challenged. 2. Sights and optics requirements have nothing to do with barrel length and no place in rulemaking for "short barreled rifle" definitions. There are no laws precluding addition of reflex sights or folding sights to any other category of pistol either. This does NOT pass arbitrary test so will only help any challenges under #1. 3. AFT is retarded. 4. FJB. Fuck Pearls McBlowjob. What's funny is I can calculate the staffing ratio of an ICF in my head from memory. |
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Posted: 6/8/2021 9:16:13 AM EDT
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We need some fucker that maths better than me to do their guzzinta's and post some examples of what's compliant and what's not under this proposed rule. Not to help people comply but to show how silly it is and so we can get the word out to others that are not in the fight that the AFT is also after their gun they thought was "safe."
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Posted: 6/8/2021 9:17:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What's funny is I can calculate the staffing ratio of an ICF in my head from memory. i know, right? but remember when it was new... its like that 
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Posted: 6/8/2021 9:17:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Where are you people shooting that you're concerned about someone checking for stamps? I'm not Richie Rich shooting on my 1000 acres, i go to the ghetto ranges and occasionally the nicer indoor places when it rains. I used to go shoot on public lands when there were public lands in TX to shoot on. Have never had mine, or seen someone else's weapon inspected by LE, or even heard of anyone being asked for their stamp. I've shot with some folks with SBRs and had some take home goodies from work that I've shot at public ranges and never been acosted. Just carry on as you have. If you have a range thats participating in this silliness then call them out here. I've never had anyone ask to see my stamps when I was shooting, not even when shooting machineguns. |
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Posted: 6/8/2021 9:19:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I bet they included flip up sights because of the multitude of pistols coming with MBUS sights. Cheap and light weight, so ATF figured to include them. They put them down for one point because they are less conducive to genuine braced usage than, say, a reflex sight. LPVOs and magnifiers, on the other hand, are de facto impossible to use effectively from a braced stance (vs shouldered) due to eye relief requirements. There is a certain logic in the madness, in other words. |
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Posted: 6/8/2021 9:20:05 AM EDT
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Is this a good price on a braced pistol listed at less than 64 or should I wait? https://palmettostatearmory.com/s-w-m-p-15-22-optics-ready-22-lr-ar-15-pistol-black-13321.html Not only does it not meet the minimum weight threshold (64oz) to even be eligible to wear a pistol stabilizing brace as configured but it will lose even more weight when the accessory brace is removed in order to determine its official pistol brace weight eligibility. The brace installed is an SBA3 which under the current system is virtually impossible to pass the points test and would be considered a stock when installed on any pistol. |
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Posted: 6/8/2021 9:20:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: “We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately.” Just make sure your silly range toys and NFA workarounds don't fuck with my killing shit at 1000 yds. Damn right we SHOULD stick together,but we sure as hell don't. Gun owners should hold ANY politician that promotes or pushes gun control accountable-voted out of office and can't even get on a town council in some podunk town after that. Make Republicans FEAR gun owners again. Instead,"We" have continually voted for people on our fucking side that screw us,so we are nothing but paper tigers. A guaranteed voting block for Team R no matter what, and they treat us accordingly. I wouldn't be surprised if they laugh at us behind closed doors-"Passed gun control,and the rubes still support me!"  Pathetic. |
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Posted: 6/8/2021 9:20:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:We need some fucker that maths better than me to do their guzzinta's and post some examples of what's compliant and what's not under this proposed rule. Not to help people comply but to show how silly it is and so we can get the word out to others that are not in the fight that the AFT is also after their gun they thought was "safe." Page 33 has a compliant pistol, page 37 and 41 have non-compliant ones. I'm looking forward to the video with AFT Agent Bizzae (sp) going over the new rule. Firearms Unknown has a bunch of good videos. |
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Posted: 6/8/2021 9:23:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Page 33 has a compliant pistol, page 37 and 41 have non-compliant ones. I'm looking forward to the video with AFT Agent Bizzae (sp) going over the new rule. Firearms Unknown has a bunch of good videos. Aside from their silly examples with a disallowed VFG... I'd like to see whether some AR9's and shorter examples are compliant |
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Posted: 6/8/2021 9:25:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Aside from their silly examples with a disallowed VFG... I'd like to see whether some AR9's and shorter examples are compliant Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Page 33 has a compliant pistol, page 37 and 41 have non-compliant ones. I'm looking forward to the video with AFT Agent Bizzae (sp) going over the new rule. Firearms Unknown has a bunch of good videos. Aside from their silly examples with a disallowed VFG... I'd like to see whether some AR9's and shorter examples are compliant The problem - of course - remains that anything is no-go on the ATF's word. They've reserved the right to call anything an SBR even if it meets points requirements. Heads they win and tails we lose. Trying to play the game is the mistake. |
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Posted: 6/8/2021 9:25:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Aside from their silly examples with a disallowed VFG... I'd like to see whether some AR9's and shorter examples are compliant Post a pic and I'll add it up for you. |
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Posted: 6/8/2021 9:29:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They put them down for one point because they are less conducive to genuine braced usage than, say, a reflex sight. LPVOs and magnifiers, on the other hand, are de facto impossible to use effectively from a braced stance (vs shouldered) due to eye relief requirements. There is a certain logic in the madness, in other words. But they are easy to use with a sling either 1 or 2 handed. That's one of the big reasons this is bullshit. |
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Posted: 6/8/2021 9:29:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OK. That things point system requires math. I am out. Math is where I draw the line. I like this response. Let's take it a step further... the rule seems pretty racist because math is racist. How will kids growing up in public schools today be able to discern between pistol and SBR if they have to perform math (because math is now WOKE) to understand rules/regs??? This is highly discriminatory towards inner city children. ATF must want to send more kids to jail. ATF is now racist. |
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Posted: 6/8/2021 9:30:00 AM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @Honda4828 You cannot reuse a previously posted comment on a proposed rule. It will get tossed as a duplicate. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I know this is obvious but there needs to be a HUGE fucking fire mission on here once the comments open on this rule change (if they haven’t already). Maybe one of the resident attorneys on here can come up with a template comment for those of us who don’t have a way with words. @Honda4828 You cannot reuse a previously posted comment on a proposed rule. It will get tossed as a duplicate. Gotcha. Thanks for the info. |
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Posted: 6/8/2021 9:34:26 AM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I know this is obvious but there needs to be a HUGE fucking fire mission on here once the comments open on this rule change (if they haven’t already). Maybe one of the resident attorneys on here can come up with a template comment for those of us who don’t have a way with words. This. And something to bombard our reps with. |
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Posted: 6/8/2021 9:35:56 AM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @Honda4828 You cannot reuse a previously posted comment on a proposed rule. It will get tossed as a duplicate. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I know this is obvious but there needs to be a HUGE fucking fire mission on here once the comments open on this rule change (if they haven’t already). Maybe one of the resident attorneys on here can come up with a template comment for those of us who don’t have a way with words. @Honda4828 You cannot reuse a previously posted comment on a proposed rule. It will get tossed as a duplicate. Just seeing this.. sux. |
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Posted: 6/8/2021 9:36:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Post a pic and I'll add it up for you. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Aside from their silly examples with a disallowed VFG... I'd like to see whether some AR9's and shorter examples are compliant Post a pic and I'll add it up for you. I have an SBA3 ON A 5" FM9 with MBUS and Romeo RDS so.... 
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Posted: 6/8/2021 9:37:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have an SBA3 ON A 5" FM9 with MBUS and Romeo RDS so.... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Aside from their silly examples with a disallowed VFG... I'd like to see whether some AR9's and shorter examples are compliant Post a pic and I'll add it up for you. I have an SBA3 ON A 5" FM9 with MBUS and Romeo RDS so.... Under the proposed rule and point system you have a "perfect 10"! Which is bad. 
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Posted: 6/8/2021 9:42:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Read the proposal. SB mini. They even posted a picture of a braced pistol that passed their test. I did...that is the problem. Too many questions. KAK Shockwave has an approval letter but fails their new test. The point system is arbitrary, so I don't know what would pass and what would not. Either way, I think this is going to fall flat on its face. Too many SBA3's were legally sold on pistols from the factory. The ATF trying to claim they are now SBR's is laughable. Also, too many braces sold with ATF approval letters (Shockwave, Mod 1, Mod 2) that now fail the list...or at least could fail the list. I want to know what the ATF thinks will pass because I'd like to figure out what percentage of braces sold would fail...90%? 95%? |
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Posted: 6/8/2021 9:45:37 AM EDT
[#24]
Looking at this BS, I’m thinking it can be used against the gayTF in several ways;
ADA discrimination, for one. That’d be fun. For two, arbitrary and capricious design, including their little “we can declare anything an SBR at our discretion” shows that its obviously biased to allow them to persecute anyone they want. Finally, by declaring almost anything/everything an SBR/SBS in an ex post facto fashion after approving them for commercial release, (and millions of sales) it falls under the common use clause laid out by the USSC. |
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Posted: 6/8/2021 9:45:53 AM EDT
[#25]
 ATF Proposes Rule On Braced Pistols That Will Make Millions Of Americans Felons |
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Posted: 6/8/2021 9:47:23 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have an SBA3 ON A 5" FM9 with MBUS and Romeo RDS so.... Section 1, assuming you're over 64oz without the brace, we continue to section 2. There you get 8 points for the SBA3. Section 3 you get 5 points due to MBUS and a standard receiver extension and "LOP". So jail for you it is 
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Posted: 6/8/2021 9:51:19 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Looking at this BS, I’m thinking it can be used against the gayTF in several ways; ADA discrimination, for one. That’d be fun. For two, arbitrary and capricious design, including their little “we can declare anything an SBR at our discretion” shows that its obviously biased to allow them to persecute anyone they want. Finally, by declaring almost anything/everything an SBR/SBS in an ex post facto fashion after approving them for commercial release, (and millions of sales) it falls under the common use clause laid out by the USSC. That's not what ex post facto means at all. I'm amazed how many people here don't seem to understand that idea. What it means is that they cannot charge you with a crime after the fact for something you owned legally previously that is now illegal but you no longer own - they can't charge you with complying with the law now but not before the law was a law basically. "After the fact" more or less. |
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Posted: 6/8/2021 9:55:55 AM EDT
[#28]
This is so fucking retarded. How the hell do folding sights even count against you? If someone can shoot a 12ga one handed, then why can't they shoot a .308 one handed?
I guess when determining weight and control they used Olive Oyl and then Popeye for determing if a brace fit's around the forearm. The SBA3 is the most common brace sold by manufacturers like PSA and Springfield Armory. |
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Posted: 6/8/2021 9:57:04 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Section 1, assuming you're over 64oz without the brace, we continue to section 2. There you get 8 points for the SBA3. Section 3 you get 5 points due to MBUS and a standard receiver extension and "LOP". So jail for you it is I think we could turn this into a game and see who can get the highest score
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Posted: 6/8/2021 9:58:42 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Uh huh. Put it this way: if people were mass not-complying with SBR rules, you wouldn't see any fucking pistol braces at the range. You'd just see SBRs as far as the eye can see. So why do I keep seeing pistol braces everywhere? Answer: people talk a good game about non-compliance, but they shut up when it's time to put up. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Lol "well, I don't see people doing it on the internet, so they must be complying for sure!"  Uh huh. Put it this way: if people were mass not-complying with SBR rules, you wouldn't see any fucking pistol braces at the range. You'd just see SBRs as far as the eye can see. So why do I keep seeing pistol braces everywhere? Answer: people talk a good game about non-compliance, but they shut up when it's time to put up. Or maybe the SBRs you see posted on here or at the range aren’t actually legal. Never figured on that did you? Now fuck off trying to derail the thread. |
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Posted: 6/8/2021 10:01:52 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Section 1, assuming you're over 64oz without the brace, we continue to section 2. There you get 8 points for the SBA3. Section 3 you get 5 points due to MBUS and a standard receiver extension and "LOP". So jail for you it is Yep, they were so lax in their guidance and enforcement that millions were sold by dealers . No way other than grandfathering to deal with that. The manufacturers and retailers have to collectively and preemptively sue to avoid being charged criminally.
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Posted: 6/8/2021 10:03:44 AM EDT
[#32]
What’s the longest Brl that remains under 26” OAL?
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Posted: 6/8/2021 10:05:39 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is so fucking retarded. How the hell do folding sights even count against you? If someone can shoot a 12ga one handed, then why can't they shoot a .308 one handed? I guess when determining weight and control they used Olive Oyl and then Popeye for determing if a brace fit's around the forearm. The SBA3 is the most common brace sold by manufacturers like PSA and Springfield Armory. Folding sights, rifle type sights and no sights are all treated the same. |
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Posted: 6/8/2021 10:05:46 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just seeing this.. sux. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I know this is obvious but there needs to be a HUGE fucking fire mission on here once the comments open on this rule change (if they haven’t already). Maybe one of the resident attorneys on here can come up with a template comment for those of us who don’t have a way with words. @Honda4828 You cannot reuse a previously posted comment on a proposed rule. It will get tossed as a duplicate. Just seeing this.. sux. Comments must also be formatted a specific way with a header saying "Comment on FR Doc # 2021-XXXXX" and must include the commenter's name and address. |
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Posted: 6/8/2021 10:08:35 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 10 and 250,000 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How many points is 'Drilling another hole'? 10 and 250,000  Attached FileButs it's the same as a 15.9 barrel. Heh |
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Posted: 6/8/2021 10:10:00 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is this a good price on a braced pistol listed at less than 64 or should I wait? https://palmettostatearmory.com/s-w-m-p-15-22-optics-ready-22-lr-ar-15-pistol-black-13321.html I've seen them for $425-$450 locally. Good luck finding mags. |
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Posted: 6/8/2021 10:10:12 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I think we could turn this into a game and see who can get the highest score Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Section 1, assuming you're over 64oz without the brace, we continue to section 2. There you get 8 points for the SBA3. Section 3 you get 5 points due to MBUS and a standard receiver extension and "LOP". So jail for you it is I think we could turn this into a game and see who can get the highest score Will adding a Rare Breed FRT trigger to a brace equipped pistol get me a points multiplier? |
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Posted: 6/8/2021 10:10:31 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What’s the longest Brl that remains under 26” OAL? ~7.5-8" If not mistaken. |
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Posted: 6/8/2021 10:11:28 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @Honda4828 You cannot reuse a previously posted comment on a proposed rule. It will get tossed as a duplicate. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I know this is obvious but there needs to be a HUGE fucking fire mission on here once the comments open on this rule change (if they haven’t already). Maybe one of the resident attorneys on here can come up with a template comment for those of us who don’t have a way with words. @Honda4828 You cannot reuse a previously posted comment on a proposed rule. It will get tossed as a duplicate. I’d probably just use the same sentiment with slightly different words |
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Posted: 6/8/2021 10:15:55 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's the point. This "rule" is intended to give the appearance of a defined set of criteria, while in actuality being vague and inconsistent, even with itself. It expands the AFT's power to arrest who they decide to when they decide they want to, while leaving others alone who don't fit the profile of who they want to target. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Hell you could ask 10 ppl to score a pistol and prob get 10 different scores. What a cluster! That's the point. This "rule" is intended to give the appearance of a defined set of criteria, while in actuality being vague and inconsistent, even with itself. It expands the AFT's power to arrest who they decide to when they decide they want to, while leaving others alone who don't fit the profile of who they want to target. Yes it is objective with line items and number point values. But what each means is open to interpretation so that government Employees can make shit up. It's something that only a government employee would come up with to prove, yet again, they absolutely hate you. Full stop. |
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Posted: 6/8/2021 10:17:17 AM EDT
[#41]
The big issue with this is that a perfectly legal braced pistol becomes an illegal SBR with a penalty of NO GUN FOR LIFE, 10 years in prison, and a $250,000 fine... BECAUSE YOU DO SOMETHING INSIGNIFICANT LIKE CHANGE A SIGHT.
The very definition of arbitrary and capricious. |
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Posted: 6/8/2021 10:23:09 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What a cluster fuck. They’ll just keep going. Soon enough they’ll say if it had a detachable mag it’s an “assault weapon” and it must be turned into the AFT office. Tick tock. They will make a point system. It will also take into account barrel length because of exit velocity of the round. Your 16 in barrel will be illegal as it makes the round more deadly Vs a 11.5 inch so they are now illegal. Less then 16 inches too short. Needs registratiom and tax. 16 inches or greater with a detachable mag, too dangerous.. |
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Posted: 6/8/2021 10:24:01 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think so either, simply due to the fact the ATF allowed the sale of tens of thousands of pistols equipped with SBA3 braces for years and now all of a sudden they want to classify them as SBR's. ATF knows it isn't doing to fly. They are issuing these rules in order to get people to dispose of their pistol braces. Just like the bumpstock ban, this rule won't have any teeth either. The only case I know of where a person was charged with possession of a bumpstock ended up with the charge being dismissed. Pretty telling they don't think it will hold up in court. The government lawyers lost in court. |
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Posted: 6/8/2021 10:26:43 AM EDT
[#44]
Didn't braces originally come about to help amputees and the disabled?
Is anyone going after them from that angle? Why does the Biden administration hate disabled people? |
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Posted: 6/8/2021 10:29:50 AM EDT
[#45]
My 9.6" barreled AR pistol is 27.75" long so I don't even get to play the points game. Go directly to jail. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200.
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Posted: 6/8/2021 10:29:55 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I think an SB SOB passes page 1....maybe. It seems to fall in line with the SB Mini. The Tailhook Mod 1's could go either way on page 1. I'm going to assume they pass. For some reason, a QD slots counts as a point, for a slot for a sling does not. KAK Shockwave fails page 1, but I guess could pass if it had a strap? The whole thing is BS since no one is fully sure on "how" to determine the point value of certain features. Plus, what does it matter if something is based on a stock design or not if it functions as a brace. I'm pretty sure crutches are adjustable...so why is that a problem for a brace? FATF A better question is why does one feature get 2 points and another feature only get one point? What criteria did they use to decide whether a feature was worth one or 2 points? The whole thing is the very definition of arbitrary. And the idea that they can read minds and determine intent is bullshit as well. |
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Posted: 6/8/2021 10:30:36 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Didn't braces originally come about to help amputees and the disabled? Is anyone going after them from that angle? Why does the Biden administration hate disabled people? They hate everyone that is not blindly following them. |
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Posted: 6/8/2021 10:32:40 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just make sure your silly range toys and NFA workarounds don't fuck with my killing shit at 1000 yds. Damn right we SHOULD stick together,but we sure as hell don't. Gun owners should hold ANY politician that promotes or pushes gun control accountable-voted out of office and can't even get on a town council in some podunk town after that. Make Republicans FEAR gun owners again. Instead,"We" have continually voted for people on our fucking side that screw us,so we are nothing but paper tigers. A guaranteed voting block for Team R no matter what, and they treat us accordingly. I wouldn't be surprised if they laugh at us behind closed doors-"Passed gun control,and the rubes still support me!" Pathetic. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: “We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately.” Just make sure your silly range toys and NFA workarounds don't fuck with my killing shit at 1000 yds. Damn right we SHOULD stick together,but we sure as hell don't. Gun owners should hold ANY politician that promotes or pushes gun control accountable-voted out of office and can't even get on a town council in some podunk town after that. Make Republicans FEAR gun owners again. Instead,"We" have continually voted for people on our fucking side that screw us,so we are nothing but paper tigers. A guaranteed voting block for Team R no matter what, and they treat us accordingly. I wouldn't be surprised if they laugh at us behind closed doors-"Passed gun control,and the rubes still support me!" Pathetic. You dont understand. RINO anti 2A person got our district 2 million dollars for park renovation, and he wrote a letter to west point for Jonny down the block. STFU Im Voting for him!!! |
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Posted: 6/8/2021 10:33:23 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: ~7.5-8" If not mistaken. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What’s the longest Brl that remains under 26” OAL? ~7.5-8" If not mistaken. Looks like 10.3” is under 26 OAL with a pistol buffer tube or carbine tube? |
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Posted: 6/8/2021 10:34:29 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My 9.6" barreled AR pistol is 27.75" long… How? |
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