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Posted: 5/11/2022 9:24:43 AM EDT
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Good. Copyrights are allowed for far too long.
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Posted: 5/11/2022 9:25:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I hope they burn Disney to the ground. Figuratively. It would be neat to see urban explorers going through the abandoned ruins of Disneyland. Hopefully The Proper People (youtube channel) will have the chance before they're too old to keep doing it. |
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Posted: 5/11/2022 9:42:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It would be neat to see urban explorers going through the abandoned ruins of Disneyland. Hopefully The Proper People (youtube channel) will have the chance before they're too old to keep doing it. That channel is GREAT. |
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Posted: 5/11/2022 10:29:53 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/11/2022 10:34:08 AM EDT
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Quoted: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hawley-bill-end-disneys-special-copyright-protections Sen. Josh Hawley, R-Mo., is introducing legislation that would strip the Walt Disney Company of special copyright protections granted to the corporation by Congress, while also limiting the length of new copyrights. The "Copyright Clause Restoration Act of 2022" would cap the length of copyrights given corporations by Congress to 56 years and retroactively implement this change on companies, including Walt Disney.  . Go woke, go broke. The shareholders are gonna be PISSED. |
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Posted: 5/11/2022 10:45:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The founding fathers only wanted you to have your own house for 28 years then.  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Isn't this akin to telling you that in 56 years anyone can move into your house? Because that's basically how I'm interpreting this. Your property will no longer become your property just because you've owned it for awhile The Congress first exercised its copyright powers with the Copyright Act of 1790. This act granted authors the exclusive right to publish and vend "maps, charts and books" for a term of 14 years. This 14-year term was renewable for one additional 14-year term, if the author was alive at the end of the first time. With exception of the provision on maps and charts the Copyright Act of 1790 is copied almost verbatim from the Statute of Anne.[3] And average life expectancy was 38 then. |
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Posted: 5/11/2022 10:46:14 AM EDT
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Even if grotesquely fails, Disney will have to spend money to grease palms.
A good shakedown is the norm. |
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Posted: 5/11/2022 10:50:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So, am I hearing Disney had a special deal to run its own government, keep copyrights longer than other companies, and avoid taxes? Did Walt Disney have blackmail photos of JFK with snow white and all 7 dwarfs? That's not exactly true. Everyone has the same copyright length, but it's been Disney throwing money around every time "Steamboat Willy" is about to expire to add another 20 years that have made copyright functionally infinite at this point. |
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Posted: 5/11/2022 10:56:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So the government is seizing (intellectual) property and declaring it public domain? And ARFCOM thinks that's a good thing? WTF? I despise Disney, but that's just wrong, and sets a really bad precedent, unless I grossly misunderstand what's going on here. You own this property, but after X years, it's not yours any more. Wait until that's your property |
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Posted: 5/11/2022 11:08:07 AM EDT
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I think it's up to 120 years, or 70 years from the death of its creator.
That's a little long IMHO. The tradeoff for copyright protection is the public ultimately gets use of the work. With these guys, the Bible would still be copyrighted. Sorry, nobody gives a shit about Steamboat Willie, or Mickey Mouse anymore. |
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Posted: 5/11/2022 11:18:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why? It will never pass. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hawley-bill-end-disneys-special-copyright-protections Sen. Josh Hawley, R-Mo., is introducing legislation that would strip the Walt Disney Company of special copyright protections granted to the corporation by Congress, while also limiting the length of new copyrights. The "Copyright Clause Restoration Act of 2022" would cap the length of copyrights given corporations by Congress to 56 years and retroactively implement this change on companies, including Walt Disney. . Go woke, go broke. The shareholders are gonna be PISSED.It's a Fuck-You signal. They quietly bought politicians who quietly carved out legislation worth literally into the Billions, special extra special for the likes of Disney. Politicians did this in a manner that had nothing to do with the best interest of the people. Now that Disney has decide to engage in non-Germaine political activism against one political party - for no defendable reason, this is a Fuck-You message. A much needed fuck-you message. To be honest, I would expect and even partly be OK in the reverse as well. If Dow Chemical started making public announcements about whatever Democrat pet cause is, if they to had some carve out they bought and payed for, taken away. And talking shit publicly and officially about Democrat politicians on things that have nothing to do with Dow Chemical. Point being, stay in your fucking Lane (and stop braking my country). So far, Disney's shit has cost their share holders considerably - both by a number of families questioning if this is really for them; combined with losing their sweetheart land deal - and now possibly more. The mere threat of losing copyright on their classics has to be bone jarring. The point is to tell executives and BoD's across the country - stay in your lane. To which, I fully celebrate. I don't need someone making my pants telling me social and immigration policy. |
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Posted: 5/11/2022 11:37:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So the government is seizing (intellectual) property and declaring it public domain? And ARFCOM thinks that’s a good thing? WTF? I despise Disney, but that’s just wrong, and sets a really bad precedent, unless I grossly misunderstand what’s going on here. You own this property, but after X years, it’s not yours any more. Wait until that’s your property… The founding fathers would have never accepted this. Also, it was originally 14 years and able to be renewed once if the creator was still alive to get to 28 years. |
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Posted: 5/11/2022 11:42:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Walt would have been very disheartened to see the company that bears name has become today. Being the antisemite he was, you gotta wonder if a part of what it is now is related. |
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Posted: 5/11/2022 11:45:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I hope you don't own a 1911 pattern gun without a colt roll mark, or an AR-15 without one, for that matter. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So the government is seizing (intellectual) property and declaring it public domain? And ARFCOM thinks that's a good thing? WTF? I despise Disney, but that's just wrong, and sets a really bad precedent, unless I grossly misunderstand what's going on here. You own this property, but after X years, it's not yours any more. Wait until that's your property How long do you want your property to be your property? What’s your time limit on that? Are you ok with letting government decide that for you? |
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Posted: 5/11/2022 11:50:09 AM EDT
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If they revert it to only going back 56 years, then the original series Star Trek characters will be public domain, or would be very shortly. That'd be interesting.
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Posted: 5/11/2022 12:06:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How long do you want your property to be your property? What's your time limit on that? Are you ok with letting government decide that for you? |
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Posted: 5/11/2022 12:22:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You dodged the point. Should all copyright and IP be in perpetuity or not? Hope you don't take any generic prescriptions. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How long do you want your property to be your property? What's your time limit on that? Are you ok with letting government decide that for you? You can sell those privileges, so it doesn’t matter. Now you answer my questions: you comfortable letting the government decide how long you own your property before it ceases to be yours? |
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Posted: 5/11/2022 12:24:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You can sell those privileges, so it doesn’t matter. Now you answer my questions: you comfortable letting the government decide how long you own your property before it ceases to be yours? Like it states in the constitution? |
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Posted: 5/11/2022 12:25:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You dodged the point. Should all copyright and IP be in perpetuity or not? Hope you don't take any generic prescriptions. 
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Posted: 5/11/2022 12:31:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You can sell those privileges, so it doesn’t matter. Now you answer my questions: you comfortable letting the government decide how long you own your property before it ceases to be yours? The founding fathers didn't consider intellectual privilege real. Thomas Jefferson put it: "He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me." They created patents as an malum prohibitum instrument to stimulate enterprise comparable to their state sponsorship of American industrial espionage in Britain. |
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Posted: 5/11/2022 12:35:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good. Copyrights are allowed for far too long. This. Disney would be nowhere if Brothers Grimm and all their story sources had the same IP protections Disney enjoys now. |
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Posted: 5/11/2022 12:48:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You can sell those privileges, so it doesn't matter. |
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Posted: 5/11/2022 3:22:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Of note, Mickey Mouse goes public domain next year without an extension and I don't see that coming. So they're getting fucked either way. "Mickey Mouse" does not go "public domain". Mickey Mouse is a registered trademark and can only be used by the trademark holder for as long as they use and defend the trademark. "Steamboat Willie" and works containing Mickey Mouse will lose copyright protection and become public domain. |
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Posted: 5/11/2022 3:32:46 PM EDT
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lots of Disney Mouse Ears / Disney World decals on the back of cars here (central FL)
I told the wife I want to have a large quantity of bright pink "groomer" stickers made up and just casually apply them as needed. 
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Posted: 5/11/2022 3:34:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How long do you want your property to be your property? What’s your time limit on that? Are you ok with letting government decide that for you? You're comparing real and personal property with intellectual property and that is inappropriate. "Intellectual property" can be copied at almost no cost. Great, right? So fuck it, you publish a book and Jo Bob Discount Bookz N Shieet can make and sell a copy right away. Obviously that isn't ideal. To promote the creative arts, the Federal Government agrees to give a defensible, exclusive monopoly to the product of your intellect for a set period of time. After that time expires it falls into the public domain to further promote the creative arts allowing the distribution of said work. No one believes real property, personal property, and intellectual property are the same.... except maybe the RIAA and the MPAA. ETA The confusion -- as demonstrated in this very thread -- between copyright, trademark, and patents is exactly why Disney's lobbyists can trade on good will: "imagine Mickey Mouse pornography! THIS CANNOT STAND!". Of course the argument these days would be more like "imagine if SOMEONE BESIDES US made Mickey Mouse pornography!". |
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Posted: 5/11/2022 3:35:51 PM EDT
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Disney will sue any company that has a logo that has a graphic that even remotely resembles mouse ears.
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Posted: 5/11/2022 3:37:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Disney will sue any company that has a logo that has a graphic that even remotely resembles mouse ears. And ARFCOM does not for a BFL? |
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Posted: 5/11/2022 3:46:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Disney will sue any company that has a logo that has a graphic that even remotely resembles mouse ears. Defense of trademark is required or else you lose the trademark. |
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Posted: 5/11/2022 11:26:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're comparing real and personal property with intellectual property and that is inappropriate. "Intellectual property" can be copied at almost no cost. Great, right? So fuck it, you publish a book and Jo Bob Discount Bookz N Shieet can make and sell a copy right away. Obviously that isn't ideal. To promote the creative arts, the Federal Government agrees to give a defensible, exclusive monopoly to the product of your intellect for a set period of time. After that time expires it falls into the public domain to further promote the creative arts allowing the distribution of said work. No one believes real property, personal property, and intellectual property are the same.... except maybe the RIAA and the MPAA. ETA The confusion -- as demonstrated in this very thread -- between copyright, trademark, and patents is exactly why Disney's lobbyists can trade on good will: "imagine Mickey Mouse pornography! THIS CANNOT STAND!". Of course the argument these days would be more like "imagine if SOMEONE BESIDES US made Mickey Mouse pornography!". A quick Google search for Mickey Mouse porn/rule34 will show there is a ton of Mickey-based porn out there. As well as all the other Disney characters. |
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Posted: 5/12/2022 8:39:51 AM EDT
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In this thread we see GD chanting "death to private property rights" as it starts to embrace socialism.
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Posted: 5/12/2022 8:46:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In this thread we see GD chanting "death to private property rights" as it starts to embrace socialism. Those socialist founding fathers that made the first copyright protection last at most 28 years. 
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Posted: 5/12/2022 9:12:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Those socialist founding fathers that made the first copyright protection last at most 28 years. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: In this thread we see GD chanting "death to private property rights" as it starts to embrace socialism. Those socialist founding fathers that made the first copyright protection last at most 28 years. Their life expectancy was about about that same number of years. Even the extension noted that by saying "if they are still alive after the first 14 years". Taking property rights from someone living is a shitty thing to do. The legislation doesn't just target Disney, it targets all content. People here don't care though, they will push for government enabled cancel culture against people they disagree with....same as the liberals on the left. |
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Posted: 5/12/2022 9:20:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In this thread we see GD chanting "death to private property rights" as it starts to embrace socialism. What private property? Describe how copying your idea or artistic expression deprives you of your idea or artistic expression. |
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Posted: 5/12/2022 9:26:53 AM EDT
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NFTs solve this without .Gov intervention.
Perhaps next time there is a Crypto thread, some of you might try learning about digital rights management with NFTs and Cryptocurrencies rather than condescendingly calling them tulip bulbs? |
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Posted: 5/12/2022 9:29:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Their life expectancy was about about that same number of years. Even the extension noted that by saying "if they are still alive after the first 14 years". Taking property rights from someone living is a shitty thing to do. The legislation doesn't just target Disney, it targets all content. People here don't care though, they will push for government enabled cancel culture against people they disagree with....same as the liberals on the left. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: In this thread we see GD chanting "death to private property rights" as it starts to embrace socialism. Those socialist founding fathers that made the first copyright protection last at most 28 years. Their life expectancy was about about that same number of years. Even the extension noted that by saying "if they are still alive after the first 14 years". Taking property rights from someone living is a shitty thing to do. The legislation doesn't just target Disney, it targets all content. People here don't care though, they will push for government enabled cancel culture against people they disagree with....same as the liberals on the left. <4 yrs old mortality was the largest single driver of the reduced life expectancy. That and child brith. |
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Posted: 5/12/2022 9:49:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: <4 yrs old mortality was the largest single driver of the reduced life expectancy. That and child brith. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: In this thread we see GD chanting "death to private property rights" as it starts to embrace socialism. Those socialist founding fathers that made the first copyright protection last at most 28 years. Their life expectancy was about about that same number of years. Even the extension noted that by saying "if they are still alive after the first 14 years". Taking property rights from someone living is a shitty thing to do. The legislation doesn't just target Disney, it targets all content. People here don't care though, they will push for government enabled cancel culture against people they disagree with....same as the liberals on the left. <4 yrs old mortality was the largest single driver of the reduced life expectancy. That and child brith. Exactly. Even in the middle ages once a male made it to adulthood they could expect to live into their sixties. |
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Posted: 5/12/2022 12:34:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: NFTs solve this without .Gov intervention. Perhaps next time there is a Crypto thread, some of you might try learning about digital rights management with NFTs and Cryptocurrencies rather than condescendingly calling them tulip bulbs? How does an NFT protect intellectual property rights? Because all I see of NFTs are: 
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Posted: 5/16/2022 12:19:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In this thread we see GD chanting "death to private property rights" as it starts to embrace socialism. Tell us you don’t understand what is being discussed without actually saying it. Nailed it. |
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