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Posted: 5/10/2022 3:47:03 PM EST
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Good. It was lobbyist horseshit anyway.
Oh wait that describes the entire federal government |
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Posted: 5/10/2022 3:48:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So, am I hearing Disney had a special deal to run its own government, keep copyrights longer than other companies, and avoid taxes? Did Walt Disney have blackmail photos of JFK with snow white and all 7 dwarfs? it sure helps you understand how large, overwhelmingly market dominant, corporations achieve such a status - Uncle Sugar's help. Maybe the Jug Eared Dick Sucker was right, "you didn't build that" |
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Posted: 5/10/2022 3:49:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Say what you will about Disney, but that's not right and that sets a bad prescient. They spent millions of dollars acquiring or cultivating their IPs and it's their property. You'll own nothing and you'll like it I guess. Unless I am really misunderstanding this while thing which I may be Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I don't understand, is this making it to where their original IPs like say Pirates of the Caribbean no longer belongs to them after a set period of time and then it's open to the public? Say what you will about Disney, but that's not right and that sets a bad prescient. They spent millions of dollars acquiring or cultivating their IPs and it's their property. You'll own nothing and you'll like it I guess. Unless I am really misunderstanding this while thing which I may be How long should a copyright last for before it becomes public domain? It seems to me that nearly a century is more than sufficient to encourage artistic production. |
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Posted: 5/10/2022 3:52:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would think that would apply to anyone's IP |
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Posted: 5/10/2022 4:02:14 PM EST
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https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2019/04/11/the-irs-gives-baseball-teams-a-break/. Baseball’s sweet deals are being threatened too.
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Posted: 5/10/2022 4:04:20 PM EST
[#6]
fuck Disney
but this is not cool. Intellectual property should not be stripped by a partisan. |
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Posted: 5/10/2022 4:08:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sounds reasonable to me I suppose. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This isn't really a shot at Disney. we've needed copyright reform for a long while. I've always been in favor of a 10 year cutoff period, personally. Sounds reasonable to me I suppose. Why have any copy right protection? Why not just make everything public domain from the very second it is created? Write a book, song, or make a work of art; it should just all become the communal property of the people as soon as you tell a single other person about it. ...Sound kind of Communisty to me. 
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Posted: 5/10/2022 4:12:44 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: fuck Disney but this is not cool. Intellectual property should not be stripped by a partisan. sincere question: If copyright lasts for X years for everyone else, but one or several companies convince government to give them copyright protection for X+20years (for example), and that request is granted. Is it really "stripping IP rights" if a later government puts the copyright protections back to X years? I say no. |
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Posted: 5/10/2022 4:13:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why have any copy right protection? Why not just make everything public domain from the very second it is created? Write a book, song, or make a work of art; it should just all become the communal property of the people as soon as you tell a single other person about it. ...Sound kind of Communisty to me. You are missing the point. There are time frame limits on this, Disney somehow got preferential treatment and got much longer time frames than everyone else. That is not equal protection under law. |
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Posted: 5/10/2022 4:15:41 PM EST
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So this was not exactly a special law for Disney, although it does positively impact them. I'm all for not extending the copyright period. I'm all for limiting works created after a date certain to 56 years. But there's a problem with retroactively stripping protection from works. For example, let's say you bought the publishing rights to a book that the law said was protected until 2025 and the investment was made in consideration of that protection. Now, the time period gets changed and the work is now public domain. I'm not sure how this would work, but the litigation would be epic.
Of note, Mickey Mouse goes public domain next year without an extension and I don't see that coming. So they're getting fucked either way. |
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Posted: 5/10/2022 4:15:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why have any copy right protection? Why not just make everything public domain from the very second it is created? Write a book, song, or make a work of art; it should just all become the communal property of the people as soon as you tell a single other person about it. ...Sound kind of Communisty to me. |
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Posted: 5/10/2022 4:17:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It would, and probably should. 56 years is still a generous amount of time. I still argue for 10, but at least would be open to the possibility of extensions for actively distributed IPs. It gets tricky when considering independent creators whose own works are their primary source of income. At the same time you end up in situations, for example, where an author's books are long out of print and were never distributed digitally. I like the old Ragnar Benson survival books, but the only legal way to acquire any of them now is by buying used copies at highly inflated prices. They're out of print, and I don't even know if Benson's still alive to profit off of them if they were in print. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I would think that would apply to anyone's IP Isn't this akin to telling you that in 56 years anyone can move into your house? Because that's basically how I'm interpreting this. Your property will no longer become your property just because you've owned it for awhile |
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Posted: 5/10/2022 4:20:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Isn't this akin to telling you that in 56 years anyone can move into your house? Because that's basically how I'm interpreting this. Your property will no longer become your property just because you've owned it for awhile Quote HistoryQuoted: Isn't this akin to telling you that in 56 years anyone can move into your house? Because that's basically how I'm interpreting this. Your property will no longer become your property just because you've owned it for awhile  The Congress first exercised its copyright powers with the Copyright Act of 1790. This act granted authors the exclusive right to publish and vend "maps, charts and books" for a term of 14 years. This 14-year term was renewable for one additional 14-year term, if the author was alive at the end of the first time. With exception of the provision on maps and charts the Copyright Act of 1790 is copied almost verbatim from the Statute of Anne.[3] |
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Posted: 5/10/2022 4:20:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: While I would love to believe he's playing some crazy angle like that..I just can't at the current time. Will gladly be wrong about it though. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Truly so. Think about it - He can't challenge or speak out against them directly. He wouldn't dare. He'd be eaten alive. But he can stick the blame for staggering losses on them very directly, and then have the platform he wanted, from which to continue depoliticizing Disney. Chapek is no dummy. He's turning wokism into a tar baby that the company and it's BoD will avoid touching for years to come. I really do think this is his longer term strategy. Because simply has no other play, and political neutrality is already his stated direction. "Get woke? .....Go broke." Will gladly be wrong about it though. I think he’s just in over his head dealing with the woketards and these are actually his own poor decisions in response. |
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Posted: 5/10/2022 4:21:30 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Isn't this akin to telling you that in 56 years anyone can move into your house? Because that's basically how I'm interpreting this. Your property will no longer become your property just because you've owned it for awhile Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I would think that would apply to anyone's IP Isn't this akin to telling you that in 56 years anyone can move into your house? Because that's basically how I'm interpreting this. Your property will no longer become your property just because you've owned it for awhile "To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries." - U.S. Const. Art 1, Sec. 8, Clause 8 Intellectual Property protection is a tradeoff between incentivizing the creator and inhibiting creativity and progress by prohibiting derivative works. It was never meant to be perpetual, and constitutionally CANNOT be perpetual. |
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Posted: 5/10/2022 4:23:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Walt would have been very disheartened to see the company that bears name has become today. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA You've got jokes! He'd be thrilled beyond his wildest dreams to see what a media conglomerate his name has become and the billions it makes! |
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Posted: 5/10/2022 4:24:14 PM EST
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Posted: 5/10/2022 4:24:27 PM EST
[#18]
I hope this goes through.
There are some good arguments for it being lots shorter. My personal opinion is it shouldn't give a legacy to many generations of heirs to creations, but should allow a person to spend a lifetime with copyright control. So somewhere around the average productive age of an individual... 15 years old to 70 or so. You guys wanting it 10 years have a point, but lots of stuff sits in book form until they make a movie out of it for a lot longer than that. Hollywood would just steal some of the great stories and proceed to fuck and woke them up. Maybe 10 years after the author's death or maximum 50 years. And if a corporation owns it, limit it to something like 20 years. Copyright was intended to promote producing and then sharing through profit incentive. Not to create monopolies on things and lock them out from others forever. Also, fuck Disney. |
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Posted: 5/10/2022 4:24:37 PM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Disney has legions of lawyers. If this passes there will be something heavier on the other end of the seesaw to counteract it. Remember Bell? Pepperidge Farm remembers. |
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Posted: 5/10/2022 4:34:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You guys wanting it 10 years have a point, but lots of stuff sits in book form until they make a movie out of it for a lot longer than that. Hollywood would just steal some of the great stories and proceed to fuck and woke them up. Maybe 10 years after the author's death or maximum 50 years. And if a corporation owns it, limit it to something like 20 years. |
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Posted: 5/10/2022 5:06:39 PM EST
[#21]
Disney received compensation and favortism for its wide appeal and virtue - That time has past.
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Posted: 5/10/2022 5:08:52 PM EST
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Posted: 5/10/2022 5:10:25 PM EST
[#23]
You know, if they just stuck with being an entertainment company it wouldn't have been problem. The problem for them is they shifted to being an activist company. The real problem for us is they bought all the good media companies we enjoyed along the way ruining them for any who aren't woke. :\
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Posted: 5/10/2022 5:15:36 PM EST
[#24]
Turn the screws to Disney, Apple and Google.
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Posted: 5/10/2022 5:24:41 PM EST
[#25]
FUCK Disney, hell, old Walt would saw FUCK Disney as it is today.
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Posted: 5/10/2022 5:29:00 PM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: fuck Disney but this is not cool. Intellectual property should not be stripped by a partisan. They shouldn't have been granted in the first place. Every time a piece of iconic Disney IP comes close to entering the public domain, Congress magically finds a reason to extend copyright protections out another 20 or 30 years. Bear in mind, much of Disney's empire was built not on novel characters but on remaking old European fairytales into cartoons. Public domain works. |
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Posted: 5/10/2022 5:38:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Say what you will about Disney, but that's not right and that sets a bad prescient. They spent millions of dollars acquiring or cultivating their IPs and it's their property. You'll own nothing and you'll like it I guess. Unless I am really misunderstanding this while thing which I may be As a consumer, 10 years is awesome. As a creator, 10 years would completely suck and I would be pissed. |
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Posted: 5/10/2022 5:52:57 PM EST
[#28]
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now let's talk about pharmaceutical protections . |
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Posted: 5/10/2022 5:57:37 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This isn't really a shot at Disney. we've needed copyright reform for a long while. I've always been in favor of a 10 year cutoff period, personally. I'm not sure I would go that far but 10 years after the creator has passed on would be reasonable. I think the artists deserve to make money off of their work. |
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Posted: 5/10/2022 6:05:42 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Walt immediately fired a cartoonist for drawing Mickey boinking Minnie at a party. For some reason the company has always drawn weirdos. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Its sad whet the insane sexual deviants have done to that company. Disney was shit from the beginning. Walt immediately fired a cartoonist for drawing Mickey boinking Minnie at a party. For some reason the company has always drawn weirdos. It was about fantasy and escapism and it intentionally drew in the kids. Of course that crowd were going to be attracted to it. By the definition it's a target rich environment. |
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Posted: 5/10/2022 6:06:18 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Isn't this akin to telling you that in 56 years anyone can move into your house? Because that's basically how I'm interpreting this. Your property will no longer become your property just because you've owned it for awhile Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I would think that would apply to anyone's IP Isn't this akin to telling you that in 56 years anyone can move into your house? Because that's basically how I'm interpreting this. Your property will no longer become your property just because you've owned it for awhile |
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Posted: 5/10/2022 6:35:28 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Fuck that dirty old Fixed for you 
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Posted: 5/10/2022 6:36:59 PM EST
[#33]
In B4 the upset people.
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Posted: 5/10/2022 7:04:27 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Its sad whet the insane sexual deviants have done to that company. And although the target of the shame are the artist at the parks the real deviants are the ones in the suits in the C suite and Board and the bankers than continue to fund those projects. Imagine if the sort of hate manifested against the patriots of the January 6th protest and their supporters was instead directed at the groomers? Disney/ESPN/Marvel/ABC/A&E (that's one company) could shut down the liberal agenda focused on the nation's children in a single day or two. |
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Posted: 5/10/2022 8:00:40 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They shouldn't have been granted in the first place. Every time a piece of iconic Disney IP comes close to entering the public domain, Congress magically finds a reason to extend copyright protections out another 20 or 30 years. Bear in mind, much of Disney's empire was built not on novel characters but on remaking old European fairytales into cartoons. Public domain works. |
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Posted: 5/11/2022 3:47:31 AM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: As a creator, 10 years would completely suck and I would be pissed. |
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Posted: 5/11/2022 4:08:32 AM EST
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Posted: 5/11/2022 4:13:12 AM EST
[#38]
Ha ha
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Posted: 5/11/2022 4:52:43 AM EST
[#39]
It appears that 56 years goes back to 1909 law and reverses multiple extentions made since 1962. I support this.
 Mike |
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Posted: 5/11/2022 5:01:54 AM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Say what you will about Disney, but that's not right and that sets a bad prescient. They spent millions of dollars acquiring or cultivating their IPs and it's their property. You'll own nothing and you'll like it I guess. Unless I am really misunderstanding this while thing which I may be Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I don't understand, is this making it to where their original IPs like say Pirates of the Caribbean no longer belongs to them after a set period of time and then it's open to the public? Say what you will about Disney, but that's not right and that sets a bad prescient. They spent millions of dollars acquiring or cultivating their IPs and it's their property. You'll own nothing and you'll like it I guess. Unless I am really misunderstanding this while thing which I may be Same goes for drug companies. They create a new brand name medication and can be the exclusive sellers of said medication for a set number of years. Then, the generics made by other manufacturers can be sold. Plenty of people still buy the brand name and it’s still sold, but there are other options. |
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Posted: 5/11/2022 6:36:38 AM EST
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I don’t care. Pick a number. 56, 75, 90…but that’s the only number and covers both individuals and corporations the same.
The originator of the ip deserves to have care, custody, control and any potential profit over an expected average lifetime. A slight edge to a number over 56 and under 100. Giving the originator of the work a full lifetime benefit of their creation. Protections continue for the time span since copyright granted. Reguardless of ownership. It gives all potentially involved a set window of exclusive profitability without bias. Market by originator, Sell to corporation, disposal by heirs, etc. If it is truly unique it stays profitable right near the end of the term. If it’s not that unique or ends up with significant competition. The profitability runs its course probably at least 10+ years early. If not sooner. You made it. You get the best chance to profit from it. No matter what form that takes. |
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Posted: 5/11/2022 6:56:38 AM EST
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This is a direct attack on pansexualism. And cartoon science.
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Posted: 5/11/2022 7:24:11 AM EST
[#43]
So the government is seizing (intellectual) property and declaring it public domain?
And ARFCOM thinks that’s a good thing? WTF? I despise Disney, but that’s just wrong, and sets a really bad precedent, unless I grossly misunderstand what’s going on here. You own this property, but after X years, it’s not yours any more. Wait until that’s your property… |
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Posted: 5/11/2022 7:49:16 AM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: "special copyright protections granted to the corporation by Congress" Government in bed with corporations? What is that called again? "Business as usual" |
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Posted: 5/11/2022 7:50:29 AM EST
[#45]
I hope they ruin Disney and other companies take note. So sick of all this woke bs now.
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Posted: 5/11/2022 8:11:46 AM EST
[#46]
Copyright law is absurd and an obvious product of bought politicians. Invent the cure for cancer and you get 20 years, after spending $100k patenting it. Make a cartoon, Copyright basically for free, forever.
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Posted: 5/11/2022 8:21:15 AM EST
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I wish I had the foresight to get all the Disney classics back when newsgroups were viable. But then again how was I supposed to know how completely off-the-rails retarded things were going to get in CURRENT YEAR?
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Posted: 5/11/2022 8:22:19 AM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Intellectual Property protection is a tradeoff between incentivizing the creator and inhibiting creativity and progress by prohibiting derivative works. It was never meant to be perpetual, and constitutionally CANNOT be perpetual. |
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Posted: 5/11/2022 8:22:51 AM EST
[#49]
Who says newsgroups aren't viable?
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Posted: 5/11/2022 8:23:24 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted:I say no. Good 'cuz that's not how it works. |
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