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Posted: 8/30/2018 11:08:16 AM EDT
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I died uphill. In the winter. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Hell, I died 3 times before I hit 17. Was back at work the next day. In the winter.  Monty Python - Four Yorkshiremen |
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Posted: 8/30/2018 11:12:46 AM EDT
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Someone needs to tell the Russians you can't kill people with opiates.
They NEED to know. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_theater_hostage_crisis |
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Posted: 8/30/2018 11:19:13 AM EDT
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Maybe the perpetrators are trying to make a point. is the point to make us all say "All riiiiihgt"? |
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Posted: 8/30/2018 11:19:27 AM EDT
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So if a fentanyl or related attack were to take place in a major area, with significant airborne dispersal, a SCBA wouldn’t be enough to protect you? You’d need a hazmat suit in conjunction to prevent transdermal absorption? Sheesh...I guess there are some things you just can’t prepare for. Other than by not living in a city  
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Posted: 8/30/2018 11:22:59 AM EDT
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Disgruntled employee. That said guards generally don't go postal.
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Posted: 8/30/2018 11:23:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: FWIW: I wanted to say the same thing but I didn't want to get in a pissing match, not did I want to research and post links. So, I toned down my post. This whole thing of people casually touching something and overdosing are bullshit. It's a fact. (With Fentanyl) I posted that same article on Facebook months ago. |
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Posted: 8/30/2018 11:34:14 AM EDT
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Update from OP?
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Posted: 8/30/2018 12:13:01 PM EDT
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Yeah, good point, it certainly absorbs better that way, but still not in OD dosages. The pain dosing for fentanyl is 1-2 mcg per kg per hour. So lets say we have a 220 lb man (for easy math) thats 100 kgs. So he would need to absorb a good deal more than 200 mcg within seconds to minutes. Thats a lot of volume to rub into your eye, let alone absorb before blinking, or wiping it away. Certainly a lot to do unknowingly. Now we start having this conversation about carfentanyl and there is something to discuss. Still not the boogeyman people make it out to be though. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: True. Even transdermal fentanyl patches takes hours to get into the system. The only way I can see an immediate type OD exposure is if a person got it on their hands and then touched mucosal surface with it. You'd be amazed at how often you get your hands into your eyes, nose, and mouth without even realizing it. The pain dosing for fentanyl is 1-2 mcg per kg per hour. So lets say we have a 220 lb man (for easy math) thats 100 kgs. So he would need to absorb a good deal more than 200 mcg within seconds to minutes. Thats a lot of volume to rub into your eye, let alone absorb before blinking, or wiping it away. Certainly a lot to do unknowingly. Now we start having this conversation about carfentanyl and there is something to discuss. Still not the boogeyman people make it out to be though. |
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Posted: 8/30/2018 12:52:07 PM EDT
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Someone needs to tell the Russians you can't kill people with opiates. They NEED to know. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_theater_hostage_crisis |
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Posted: 8/30/2018 1:00:34 PM EDT
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WOW! Coke? Or will I get the ban hammer again? |
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Posted: 8/31/2018 8:17:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is carfentanil the same way or can it be absorbed through skin? You provide a delivery mechanism though and the analogs like sufentanyl or carfentanyl could be very dangerous. It's just not a great choice for a mass casualty type weapon, up close and personal, maybe. Kill a football stadium full of people, probably not. |
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Posted: 8/31/2018 8:18:59 AM EDT
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Same. Any powdered material needs a delivery system to cross the effective barrier of your skin. You provide a delivery mechanism though and the analogs like sufentanyl or carfentanyl could be very dangerous. It's just not a great choice for a mass casualty type weapon, up close and personal, maybe. Kill a football stadium full of people, probably not. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Is carfentanil the same way or can it be absorbed through skin? You provide a delivery mechanism though and the analogs like sufentanyl or carfentanyl could be very dangerous. It's just not a great choice for a mass casualty type weapon, up close and personal, maybe. Kill a football stadium full of people, probably not. 
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