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Posted: 8/29/2018 1:38:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Who the hell puts a school next to a prison?   
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Posted: 8/29/2018 1:40:39 PM EST
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Posted: 8/29/2018 1:41:32 PM EST
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We will likely see a terrorist attack with this shit soon. Drone dropping a pound of this shit, over say, the super bowl could kill thousands easily. Entire thing fit in a small suitcase drone, drug bomb and all. Costs under $10k.
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Posted: 8/29/2018 1:42:07 PM EST
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Posted: 8/29/2018 2:49:02 PM EST
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Something is going on across the border in Pennsylvania today as well.
http://www.goerie.com/news/20180829/7-from-sci-albion-hospitalized-all-pa-state-prisons-locked-down |
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Posted: 8/29/2018 3:01:06 PM EST
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In for verification......A prison seems a strange target. |
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Posted: 8/29/2018 3:05:05 PM EST
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Don't we have a member that works up there as a CO ?
Anybody know if they have been heard from? Maybe wrong state,i'm not sure now. Bad stuff to have to be exposed to,for sure. |
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Posted: 8/29/2018 3:07:52 PM EST
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Something is going on across the border in Pennsylvania today as well. http://www.goerie.com/news/20180829/7-from-sci-albion-hospitalized-all-pa-state-prisons-locked-down |
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Posted: 8/29/2018 3:11:14 PM EST
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Don't we have a member that works up there as a CO ? Anybody know if they have been heard from? Maybe wrong state,i'm not sure now. Bad stuff to have to be exposed to,for sure. My guess is one of the prison gangs has hooked into a bad batch. |
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Posted: 8/29/2018 3:15:06 PM EST
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In a mass exposure incident everyone is pretty much fucked. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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how long until we have to EDC narcan? (seriously question) |
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Posted: 8/29/2018 3:18:22 PM EST
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According to an article I just read, this type of thing has been going on since Aug. 18 here in PA.
Pennsylvania imposes immediate lockdown at all state prisons |
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Posted: 8/29/2018 3:22:16 PM EST
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That is what happened in the final episode of OZ.
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Posted: 8/29/2018 3:33:22 PM EST
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Who the hell puts a school next to a prison? Quote HistoryQuoted:
The Unioto schools, which are adjacent to the prison property, are on a cautionary lockdown, but the patrol has reported there is no danger to the public at this time |
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Posted: 8/29/2018 3:39:10 PM EST
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We're not interested in your sex life. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That’s why I practice admin injection, speed injection, and tactical injection. 
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Posted: 8/29/2018 3:41:12 PM EST
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Pretty sure u missed that reference... ;) think about woman’s anatomy for a brief second... wait for it.... wait for it.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 8/29/2018 4:02:26 PM EST
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As someone mentioned, use the time window to try to get to a facility outside the immediate area that will get swamped. Or home if you have a stockpile of it to administer periodically until you're out of the danger zone lol. Also here, the police carry it, although as far as I know, they have never actually used it. They just call us. All this pisses my boss off to no end. He says, they give out Narcan free to junkies. Somebody else gives out Narcan free to the police. And we are the only ones that actually use it, and have to pay for it with no hope of ever recouping the money. And, he is right. I agree that this is the latest boogy man and there is a hellava lot of drama going on. There is some new thing to be afraid of all the time. When that gets old, we will give you some other thing to make the headlines. I am not saying this stuff is harmless, but some of the posts in this thread sound close to panic. I work around junkies and in junkies houses all the time and I have absolutely no fear of this at all. Not because I am a bad ass, but I just don't buy into all the hype. Is it possible to become exposed and overdose by touching something ? Maybe. I have heard both ways and I have read papers on it; both ways. I always wondered how it is that some police officer arrests a guy and the police officer ODs, but the suspect is OK ? Could some attack take place, yeah it could. Am I particularly worried about it; not really. Someone mentioned Atropine. 15 years ago or something, a nerve agent attack was the big thing to fear. The fire department I worked for had a special box, kept locked up with the narcotics that has a large amount of Atropine in it. This was on every vehicle. The purpose of it was for us. It wasn't to be used to treat patients. It sat there for five or 10 years and expired and was thrown away. |
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Posted: 8/29/2018 4:07:40 PM EST
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Supposedly, here where I live, the county health department was giving out Narcan at the county fair. I may have even seen that on the "news". Also here, the police carry it, although as far as I know, they have never actually used it. They just call us. All this pisses my boss off to no end. He says, they give out Narcan free to junkies. Somebody else gives out Narcan free to the police. And we are the only ones that actually have to pay for it with no hope of ever recouping the money. And, he is right. I agree that this is the latest boogy man and there is a hellava lot of drama going on. There is some new thing to be afraid of all the time. When that gets old, we will give you some other thing to make the headlines. I am not saying this stuff is harmless, but some of the posts in this thread sound close to panic. I work around junkies and in junkies houses all the time and I have absolutely no fear of this at all. Not because I am a bad ass, but I just don't buy into all the hype. Is it possible to become exposed and overdose by touching something ? Maybe. I have heard both ways and I have read papers on it. I always wonder why some guy arrests a guy and the police officer ODs, but the suspect is OK ? Could some attack take place, yeah it could. Am I particularly worried about it; not really. Someone mentioned Atropine. 15 years ago or something, a nerve agent attack was the big thing to fear. The fire department I worked for had a special box, kept locked up with the narcotics that has a large amount of Atropine in it. This was on every vehicle. The purpose of it was for us. It wasn't to be used to treat patients. It sat there for five or 10 years and expired and was thrown away. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As someone mentioned, use the time window to try to get to a facility outside the immediate area that will get swamped. Or home if you have a stockpile of it to administer periodically until you're out of the danger zone lol. Also here, the police carry it, although as far as I know, they have never actually used it. They just call us. All this pisses my boss off to no end. He says, they give out Narcan free to junkies. Somebody else gives out Narcan free to the police. And we are the only ones that actually have to pay for it with no hope of ever recouping the money. And, he is right. I agree that this is the latest boogy man and there is a hellava lot of drama going on. There is some new thing to be afraid of all the time. When that gets old, we will give you some other thing to make the headlines. I am not saying this stuff is harmless, but some of the posts in this thread sound close to panic. I work around junkies and in junkies houses all the time and I have absolutely no fear of this at all. Not because I am a bad ass, but I just don't buy into all the hype. Is it possible to become exposed and overdose by touching something ? Maybe. I have heard both ways and I have read papers on it. I always wonder why some guy arrests a guy and the police officer ODs, but the suspect is OK ? Could some attack take place, yeah it could. Am I particularly worried about it; not really. Someone mentioned Atropine. 15 years ago or something, a nerve agent attack was the big thing to fear. The fire department I worked for had a special box, kept locked up with the narcotics that has a large amount of Atropine in it. This was on every vehicle. The purpose of it was for us. It wasn't to be used to treat patients. It sat there for five or 10 years and expired and was thrown away. 
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Posted: 8/29/2018 4:12:36 PM EST
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We had them on all of our staffed rigs when I retired. I'm pretty sure they were never updated. It must have been a great contract that someone got to give those out. I worked full time on a hazmat unit for years. They sent us to all the schools: the terrorism training center, the chem warfare thing at LSU, the radiological class at the Nevada Test Site, the bio weapons class at Anniston.......................... We worked closely with the Fusion Center................... And at this point I am desensitized to the whole thing. I am to the point that I wonder if a lot of this hype is for somebody to make another buck off the panic. I KNOW it does well for the media. Now we need to stockpile Narcan..............and somebody sells Narcan and somebody manufactures Narcan. We could send our sales through the roof if only the right story broke now that they have decided not to restock the Atropine. |
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Posted: 8/29/2018 4:14:06 PM EST
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There have been a LOT of people making money on all this. Starting with the instant experts that teach the classes and get hired by departments to implement plans to deal with it all. I worked full time on a hazmat unit for years. They sent us to all the schools: the terrorism training center, the chem warfare thing at LSU, the radiological class at the Nevada Test Site, the bio weapons class at Anniston.......................... We worked closely with the Fusion Center................... And at this point I am desensitized to the whole thing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We had them on all of our staffed rigs when I retired. I'm pretty sure they were never updated. It must have been a great contract that someone got to give those out. I worked full time on a hazmat unit for years. They sent us to all the schools: the terrorism training center, the chem warfare thing at LSU, the radiological class at the Nevada Test Site, the bio weapons class at Anniston.......................... We worked closely with the Fusion Center................... And at this point I am desensitized to the whole thing.
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Posted: 8/29/2018 5:46:04 PM EST
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Is it possible to become exposed and overdose by touching something ? Maybe. I have heard both ways and I have read papers on it; both ways. I always wondered how it is that some police officer arrests a guy and the police officer ODs, but the suspect is OK ? Exposure does not equal OD and its pretty poorly absorbed to be honest. In fact, transdermal exposure would take quite a while to reach OD. Decent explanation. https://www.ems1.com/opioids/articles/291433048-Fact-or-fiction-Transdermal-fentanyl-exposure/ |
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Posted: 8/29/2018 5:59:37 PM EST
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We will likely see a terrorist attack with this shit soon. Drone dropping a pound of this shit, over say, the super bowl could kill thousands easily. Entire thing fit in a small suitcase drone, drug bomb and all. Costs under $10k. |
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Posted: 8/29/2018 6:07:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Odd, the chopper being shown right now has State Trooper on the side. I figured it would just have Ohio State Highway Patrol on it. https://www.helis.com/database/pics/news/2015/h125_columbus.jpg I know Ohioans are a bit slow on the uptake but I suspect they know there's a State Trooper in there. 
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Posted: 8/29/2018 6:29:50 PM EST
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This exact thing happen in Texas not to long ago. Officers were pulling pamphlets out from underneath the windshield wipers and it was causing them to overdose from the drug.
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Posted: 8/29/2018 6:45:43 PM EST
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This exact thing happen in Texas not to long ago. Officers were pulling pamphlets out from underneath the windshield wipers and it was causing them to overdose from the drug. |
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Posted: 8/29/2018 6:53:41 PM EST
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In true bureaucratic fashion, they'll piss test the staff for the next two weeks and fire all of those exposed.
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Posted: 8/29/2018 7:02:48 PM EST
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This exact thing happen in Texas not to long ago. Officers were pulling pamphlets out from underneath the windshield wipers and it was causing them to overdose from the drug. https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/articleComments/Fentanyl-flyers-Harris-County-sheriff-vehicles-13027828.php |
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Posted: 8/29/2018 7:19:17 PM EST
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This exact thing happen in Texas not to long ago. Officers were pulling pamphlets out from underneath the windshield wipers and it was causing them to overdose from the drug. https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/articleComments/Fentanyl-flyers-Harris-County-sheriff-vehicles-13027828.php Never react to the first report |
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Posted: 8/29/2018 7:23:25 PM EST
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This exact thing happen in Texas not to long ago. Officers were pulling pamphlets out from underneath the windshield wipers and it was causing them to overdose from the drug. https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/articleComments/Fentanyl-flyers-Harris-County-sheriff-vehicles-13027828.php |
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Posted: 8/29/2018 7:24:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryIn pursuit of truth, that articles doesn't outline an overdose at all.
In fact, it states 1 out of 20 flyers had traces of fentanyl (not necessarily the one she touched) and that someone went to the ER for light headedness. Science tells us fentanyl is not absorbed fast enough dermally to cause an OD, and to date no first responder has ever received an overdose from dermal exposure. Exposure is not overdose but your article doesn't even state if she tested positive for exposure. I posted a link above with statements from the American College of Medical Toxicology and the American Academy of Clinical Toxicology. Edit: See above links. They beat me to it. |
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Posted: 8/29/2018 7:40:41 PM EST
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Thank you for the follow up articles gentlemen.
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Posted: 8/29/2018 8:40:59 PM EST
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This exact thing happen in Texas not to long ago. Officers were pulling pamphlets out from underneath the windshield wipers and it was causing them to overdose from the drug. Authorities said in a statement Friday that an initial test done on a flyer found Tuesday by a sheriff's sergeant who later felt ill resulted in a positive finding for the opioid painkiller known to be more powerful than heroin. But further testing was later done in a laboratory on 13 flyers, the sergeant's clothing and other samples. All proved negative for the drug. Link to article |
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Posted: 8/29/2018 8:43:02 PM EST
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Thank you for the follow up articles gentlemen. https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/americas-heroin-epidemic/fentanyl-crisis-ohio-cop-accidentally-overdoses-during-drug-call-n759741 An Ohio police officer was “still miserable” but recovering Monday after he accidentally overdosed on a dangerous drug that has cut a deadly swath through his state — fentanyl. Patrolman Chris Green of the East Liverpool Police Department had just finished searching the car of two suspected drug dealers and was back at the police station when another officer spotted some white powder on his shirt. Without thinking, he brushed it off with his bare hand — and passed out about an hour later, Chief John Lane said. It took four doses of Narcan to revive him. “This happened on Friday, but he’s still got a headache, his chest hurts, he’s lying on the couch,” Lane told NBC News. “He’s still miserable.” Edit: The guy with the drugs got six years for overdosing the cop. https://www.wkbn.com/local-news/east-liverpool-man-sentenced-for-police-officers-overdose-last-year/1097983491 |
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Posted: 8/29/2018 8:46:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The same type of person who puts a waste treatment facility next to a playground. |
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Posted: 8/29/2018 8:50:33 PM EST
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Any update?
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Posted: 8/29/2018 10:29:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Took a bunch of narcan to bring this cop out of it. Edit: The guy with the drugs got six years for overdosing the cop. My post above addressed this specific incident. The officer did not in fact "pass out", in his own words he experienced "I started talking weird. I slowly felt my body shutting down. I could hear them talking, but I couldn't respond. I was in total shock" - these are not in fact symptoms of opiod overdose. He was given one dose of narcan and transported to the hospital. Narcan is a reversal for respiratory arrest, he did not experience respiratory arrest, failure, or distress. I've yet to see any documents showing he actually had an opiod exposure at all. Just because someone injects you with narcan doesn't an opiod overdose make. Also, the perp was charged with trafficking cocaine and heroin, possession, tampering, and assault of a peace officer. None of those are overdosing a police officer with fentanyl. These articles are all short of facts, way short. The few facts we do have is that fentanyl cannot be absorbed dermally in those doses or at those speeds. Period. Again, I'll state it. There has not been one documented case of overdose of a first responder through dermal absorption. Not one, including the one outlined in the above article. |
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Posted: 8/29/2018 10:48:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Also, the perp was charged with trafficking cocaine and heroin, possession, tampering, and assault of a peace officer. None of those are overdosing a police officer with fentanyl. These articles are all short of facts, way short. The few facts we do have is that fentanyl cannot be absorbed dermally in those doses or at those speeds. Period. Again, I'll state it. There has not been one documented case of overdose of a first responder through dermal absorption. Not one, including the one outlined in the above article. |
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Posted: 8/29/2018 11:47:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: An East Liverpool man will spend over six years in prison after pleading guilty to assaulting a police officer with fentanyl last spring. You are quoting a reporters words. Look up his legal case and the charges brought. The facts are there, you choose what to do with them. |
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Posted: 8/30/2018 12:21:01 AM EST
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My understanding is that you don't even need to use Narcan if you can bag someone while they are transported.
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Posted: 8/30/2018 12:24:22 AM EST
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My understanding is that you don't even need to use Narcan if you can bag someone while they are transported. |
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Posted: 8/30/2018 5:10:01 AM EST
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Posted: 8/30/2018 5:17:50 AM EST
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Any new updates, OP?
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Posted: 8/30/2018 5:24:53 AM EST
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If true, the prison wasn't a target. A stupid fuck of an inmate was hiding it and it ended up affecting people. Just hope the Officers are ok, and may a pox be upon the inmates.
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Posted: 8/30/2018 5:54:14 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Back in my day we died two or three times a week, not like these pussy kids these days fatally dying and shit, suck it up and get back to work, dying ain't no excuse to slack on the job. |
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Posted: 8/30/2018 7:08:44 AM EST
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As far as I know there is not one documented case in the medical literature of true OD via this "wiped dust off my shirt" scenario. In fact, not sure I have found one documented valid OD of a first responder at all. Exposure does not equal OD and its pretty poorly absorbed to be honest. In fact, transdermal exposure would take quite a while to reach OD. Decent explanation. https://www.ems1.com/opioids/articles/291433048-Fact-or-fiction-Transdermal-fentanyl-exposure/ |
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Posted: 8/30/2018 7:33:57 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: True. Even transdermal fentanyl patches takes hours to get into the system. The only way I can see an immediate type OD exposure is if a person got it on their hands and then touched mucosal surface with it. You'd be amazed at how often you get your hands into your eyes, nose, and mouth without even realizing it. The pain dosing for fentanyl is 1-2 mcg per kg per hour. So lets say we have a 220 lb man (for easy math) thats 100 kgs. So he would need to absorb a good deal more than 200 mcg within seconds to minutes. Thats a lot of volume to rub into your eye, let alone absorb before blinking, or wiping it away. Certainly a lot to do unknowingly. Now we start having this conversation about carfentanyl and there is something to discuss. Still not the boogeyman people make it out to be though. |
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Posted: 8/30/2018 7:53:29 AM EST
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Just for the true doubters in the room, here is an article containing a video of someone putting powdered fentayl on their skin.
https://slate.com/technology/2018/08/touching-fentanyl-is-not-dangerous-could-this-video-finally-prove-that.html |
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Posted: 8/30/2018 8:27:47 AM EST
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Just for the true doubters in the room, here is an article containing a video of someone putting powdered fentayl on their skin. https://slate.com/technology/2018/08/touching-fentanyl-is-not-dangerous-could-this-video-finally-prove-that.html |
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Posted: 8/30/2018 9:28:04 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hell, I died 3 times before I hit 17. Was back at work the next day. In the winter. |
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Posted: 8/30/2018 9:47:23 AM EST
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Posted: 8/30/2018 10:03:58 AM EST
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As far as I know there is not one documented case in the medical literature of true OD via this "wiped dust off my shirt" scenario. In fact, not sure I have found one documented valid OD of a first responder at all. Exposure does not equal OD and its pretty poorly absorbed to be honest. In fact, transdermal exposure would take quite a while to reach OD. Decent explanation. https://www.ems1.com/opioids/articles/291433048-Fact-or-fiction-Transdermal-fentanyl-exposure/ This whole thing of people casually touching something and overdosing are bullshit. It's a fact. (With Fentanyl) I posted that same article on Facebook months ago. |
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