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Posted: 2/10/2024 12:16:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm doing just fine. I don't need SS. Assuming these dumb fucks don't completely burn down America in the next 20 years, I don't expect to get much from it anyway. But I put $10K into the ponsi scheme this year anyway. Then I would say you are entitled to a return on your money, just like every other participant. You'll never hear me bitching at you for that. |
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Posted: 2/10/2024 12:16:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: By your definition any type of insurance is socialism. You pay the government for insurance? And even then, at least with my insurance I can hop companies to track down a better rate. With SS, I’m stuck with the shitty annualized rate of return that consistently loses me money. If the SS program wasn’t propped up by the government, it would’ve crashed and burned a long time ago. |
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Posted: 2/10/2024 12:17:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We already know that, and I have stated it in several posts above. SS IS BADLY MANAGED. Bad management is not theft. It's bad management. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It is known that for many, SS does not pay you, what you could have made investing that money with average returns. Even by your strictest definition of theft... That's theft. They are knowingly taking your property, and deliberately returning less of it. Giving some of it to others. Instances where people pay into SS and die before they are old enough to collect... Clear theft. We already know that, and I have stated it in several posts above. SS IS BADLY MANAGED. Bad management is not theft. It's bad management.  You gave a definition of theft. I gave clear cut examples of how / when SS meets your definition. It is in fact theft. It is also badly managed. |
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Posted: 2/10/2024 12:17:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cuz... I already paid in? Sorry, not sorry. |
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Posted: 2/10/2024 12:18:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So now it's "I'm a victim", Nazis killing Jews, and Bible verse. OK then! I'm convinced!! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I am not basing my definition of theft off my feelings. This is so foundational that it is in the first table of the ten. "You shall not steal." One explanation of what this means: Q. 142. What are the sins forbidden in the eighth commandment? A. The sins forbidden in the eighth commandment, besides the neglect of the duties required, are, theft, robbery, man-stealing, and receiving anything that is stolen; fraudulent dealing, false weights and measures, removing landmarks, injustice and unfaithfulness in contracts between man and man, or in matters of trust; oppression, extortion, usury, bribery, vexatious lawsuits, unjust enclosures and depredation; engrossing commodities to enhance the price; unlawful callings, and all other unjust or sinful ways of taking or withholding from our neighbor what belongs to him, or of enriching ourselves; covetousness; inordinate prizing and affecting worldly goods; distrustful and distracting cares and studies in getting, keeping, and using them; envying at the prosperity of others; as likewise idleness, prodigality, wasteful gaming; and all other ways whereby we do unduly prejudice our own outward estate, and defrauding ourselves of the due use and comfort of that estate which God hath given us. There is no exception in the text for "the government gets to do this." There is nothing about the nature of human law writers or enforcers that makes their conclusions and judgements morally binding. Nor anything about them that means their conclusions must match reality. I posted the nazi bit because it's an incredibly obvious example and a very low threshold to get over. "courts/lawmakers/executives say this is legal, there for it IS legal" is obviously false (the premises don't force you to accept the conclusion.) It's not the end of the world for you if you admit you were wrong about something. I'll even try and restrain any desire to smack you around if you do, because I'm not better than you. So now it's "I'm a victim", Nazis killing Jews, and Bible verse. OK then! I'm convinced!! You are simply refusing to interact. You're doing exactly what a rank and file leftist does when they encounter an argument they don't like. You can't even tell me why the definition of theft I gave is wrong. I pointed out why human made legal definitions fail to provide any logical force and you didn't even touch that. All you have done is issued insults and "dur hurp, you're wrong." Are you that mentally weak? Do you not know how to make an argument, use logic, and use it's force to pressure someone who is willing to talk with you to come to a conclusion? <---- that's a gold plated invitation to do it. If you are right, you will have the force of reality and thus logic on your side. |
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Posted: 2/10/2024 12:18:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For anyone who can't read a simple chart or look at actual budget outlays versus revenues; it's simple, at our current level Mandatory Spending(Things like Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid) + interest payments outpace or are near balanced with our entire revenue stream. This means the entire discretionary budget (defense and everything else) is being borrowed. You could slash 100% of discretionary spending and we'd still be broke. Because current or soon to be Social Security recipients say "Fuck You, Pay Me". No dream of the "Trust Funds" is going to change this. You cannot tax your way out of this. Social Security and Medicare should not be included in the general budget since they are funded by a separate tax. Medicaid is welfare and should not be confused with Medicare. Will someone please explain to me how ending SS will balance the budget? I assume that you will not only stop benefits eliminate the tax. After all you are trying to cut your taxes. |
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Posted: 2/10/2024 12:18:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You pay the government for insurance? And even then, at least with my insurance I can hop companies to track down a better rate. With SS, I’m stuck with the shitty annualized rate of return that consistently loses me money. If the SS program wasn’t propped up by the government, it would’ve crashed and burned a long time ago. This is all true. It only exists because fedgov has an unlimited ability to issue more debt to cover its previous debt. No other program can make that boast. |
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Posted: 2/10/2024 12:18:48 AM EDT
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If the government is planning to loot an entire generation of their lives savings, they might not want to start with Gen X. Our formative years were the cold war....we spent the 80's obsessed with the apocalypse...we spent the 90's prepping for existential disaster....we have read every dystopia novel....we idolize the underdog and root for lone wolf.
If I were going to steal from someone, I might choose to start with an easy target....not the guys who when they were 16 years old already in the gym, training....learning to fight....going home watching the terminator and listening to thrash metal. |
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Posted: 2/10/2024 12:20:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It is known that for many, SS does not pay you, what you could have made investing that money with average returns. Even by your strictest definition of theft... That's theft. They are knowingly taking your property, and deliberately returning less of it. Giving some of it to others. Instances where people pay into SS and die before they are old enough to collect... Clear theft. If I could have invested what my wife and I paid SS I'd be Scrooge fuckin McDuck... My wife paid into SS for almost 40 years. Wanted to wait until FRA to collect, well because. She got one check on her deathbed. Bottom line, in retirement, I take everything I can get. Going to get all I can before the Democrat voters come do their best to steal my assets and life. SS, VA healthcare, senior property tax exemption, and MORE. It's my hobby...  |
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Posted: 2/10/2024 12:20:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You gave a definition of theft. I gave clear cut examples of how / when SS meets your definition. It is in fact theft. It is also badly managed. I provided a legal definition of "theft" above. I can't help it if you didn't read it, or don't understand it. I'm sincerely sorry about your modern public education, which is also badly managed. IMO of course. |
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Posted: 2/10/2024 12:21:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You are simply refusing to interact. You're doing exactly what a rank and file leftist does when they encounter an argument they don't like. You can't even tell me why the definition of theft I gave is wrong. I pointed out why human made legal definitions fail to provide any logical force and you didn't even touch that. All you have done is issued insults and "dur hurp, you're wrong." Are you that mentally weak? Do you not know how to make an argument, use logic, and use it's force to pressure someone who is willing to talk with you to come to a conclusion? <---- that's a gold plated invitation to do it. If you are right, you will have the force of reality and thus logic on your side. I provided a legal definition of "theft", which is legal. I'm sorry if you don't like it. Very, very sorry. |
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Posted: 2/10/2024 12:21:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Then I would say you are entitled to a return on your money, just like every other participant. You'll never hear me bitching at you for that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm doing just fine. I don't need SS. Assuming these dumb fucks don't completely burn down America in the next 20 years, I don't expect to get much from it anyway. But I put $10K into the ponsi scheme this year anyway. Then I would say you are entitled to a return on your money, just like every other participant. You'll never hear me bitching at you for that. I would gladly vote for any measure or sign any edict that ends SS. I've been paying in for over 25 years. And I will say the same thing after paying another 100-150K into it before I retire. Just end the scam, so my kids don't have to get screwed by it. |
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Posted: 2/10/2024 12:22:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If the government is planning to loot an entire generation of their lives savings, they might not want to start with Gen X. Our formative years were the cold war....we spent the 80's obsessed with the apocalypse...we spent the 90's prepping for existential disaster....we have read every dystopia novel....we idolize the underdog and root for lone wolf. If I were going to steal from someone, I might choose to start with an easy target....not the guys who when they were 16 years old already in the gym, training....learning to fight....going home watching the terminator and listening to thrash metal. There will be no "looting". There will be nibbling around the edges and kicking the can down the road. Same as it ever was, same as it ever was. |
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Posted: 2/10/2024 12:23:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would gladly vote for any measure or sign any edict that ends SS. I've been paying in for over 25 years. And I will say the same thing after paying another 100-150K into it before I retire. Just end the scam, so my kids don't have to get screwed by it. Good luck with that. If you can figure out how to pass it, let us know. I'll donate. |
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Posted: 2/10/2024 12:29:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If the government is planning to loot an entire generation of their lives savings, they might not want to start with Gen X. Our formative years were the cold war....we spent the 80's obsessed with the apocalypse...we spent the 90's prepping for existential disaster....we have read every dystopia novel....we idolize the underdog and root for lone wolf. If I were going to steal from someone, I might choose to start with an easy target....not the guys who when they were 16 years old already in the gym, training....learning to fight....going home watching the terminator and listening to thrash metal. They're betting they won't be the ones riding the tiger when that time comes. |
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Posted: 2/10/2024 12:30:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I provided a legal definition of "theft", which is legal. I'm sorry if you don't like it. Very, very sorry. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You are simply refusing to interact. You're doing exactly what a rank and file leftist does when they encounter an argument they don't like. You can't even tell me why the definition of theft I gave is wrong. I pointed out why human made legal definitions fail to provide any logical force and you didn't even touch that. All you have done is issued insults and "dur hurp, you're wrong." Are you that mentally weak? Do you not know how to make an argument, use logic, and use it's force to pressure someone who is willing to talk with you to come to a conclusion? <---- that's a gold plated invitation to do it. If you are right, you will have the force of reality and thus logic on your side. I provided a legal definition of "theft", which is legal. I'm sorry if you don't like it. Very, very sorry. Wow. You actually don't know how to argue with someone you don't agree with. I said why your definition can't work. You could quote that and explain how it's logically false. Society is so screwed up that people literally can't argue now. ETA: have a go. This stuff is invaluable. https://logic-classroom.weebly.com/index.html I've been inviting you to get on the mental mat and pretzel me. Break a logical arm. Learn when to acknowledge a hit. It's manly and humbling. |
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Posted: 2/10/2024 12:30:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It is not a contract. It is a welfare program. The Supreme Court ruled as such that contributions do not stipulate you must receive a benefit like an annuity or a private pension. I am very well versed in contract law. It is nothing of the sort. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Wrong. SS is a tax. There is no contractual right to a benefit in exchange for paying the tax. Wrong. There is a contract based on age of the recipient, past wages, and taxes paid. There are tables published showing the monthly payout. The gpovt. publishes these tables every year. I refuse to believe you don't know that. Yes, it is funded by a tax levied by the govt., which is also the manager of the program. So what? In what way does this qualify as "theft"? Words have meaning. "Theft" is a word. It has a meaning, a legal meaning. SS tax is not theft. Maybe you feel that way about it, but your feelz don't qualify as legal arguments. It is not a contract. It is a welfare program. The Supreme Court ruled as such that contributions do not stipulate you must receive a benefit like an annuity or a private pension. I am very well versed in contract law. It is nothing of the sort. Flemming v. Nestor was about the ability of Congress to change the law/contract. The court ruled that people did not have property rights in SS and the Takings Clause was not relevant. Your benefits under SS are protected by the Due Process Clause which says the government cannot act arbitrarily or lacking rational justification. Nestor was a naturalized citizen who was being deported for his involvement in the Communist Party. |
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Posted: 2/10/2024 12:31:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If I could have invested what my wife and I paid SS I'd be Scrooge fuckin McDuck... https://www.meme-arsenal.com/memes/cc4a94ab5793a8054fb69e3fa2ff6f10.jpg You and a lot of other hard working middle class folks, including me. But Lou is here to tell us that isn't theft. Some judges and politicians told him otherwise. And if you don't believe them, trust the "experts" and "science" then you aren't "educated." You know, the typical American Communist style of discourse. |
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Posted: 2/10/2024 12:33:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How about we just abolish social security. Kthxbye. Yep. You can even keep my decades of contribution's, I just free of it now. |
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Posted: 2/10/2024 12:33:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wow. You actually don't know how to argue with someone you don't agree with. I said why your definition can't work. You could quote that and explain how it's logically false. Society is so screwed up that people literally can't argue now. ETA: have a go. This stuff is invaluable. https://logic-classroom.weebly.com/index.html Can we return to Nazis and Jews and Bible verses? It's so much betterer. 
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Posted: 2/10/2024 12:35:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, I want to see the contract I signed with the government regarding SS. A guy with gun to my head saying “Pay me if you want to earn money” is called extortion. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You took a job in which SS tax was taken from your paycheck. Unless someone forced you to take that job, it was voluntary. No, I want to see the contract I signed with the government regarding SS. A guy with gun to my head saying “Pay me if you want to earn money” is called extortion. It is in the fine print of the income tax contract.  Do you think laws only apply to you if you signed a contract? I guess you don’t pay income tax, property tax, sales tax or any other giver taxes and fees. You are subject to all the laws by the fact you are in the country. Don’t like it, renounce your citizenship and move to another country. |
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Posted: 2/10/2024 12:35:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You and a lot of other hard working middle class folks, including me. But Lou is here to tell us that isn't theft. Some judges and politicians told him otherwise. And if you don't believe them, trust the "experts" and "science" then you aren't "educated." You know, the typical American Communist style of discourse. I'm here to tell you SS is a legal program and the tax is legal. You're telling us your feelz are hurt about muh theft. Does that about sum it up? |
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Posted: 2/10/2024 12:35:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can we return to Nazis and Jews and Bible verses? It's so much betterer. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Wow. You actually don't know how to argue with someone you don't agree with. I said why your definition can't work. You could quote that and explain how it's logically false. Society is so screwed up that people literally can't argue now. ETA: have a go. This stuff is invaluable. https://logic-classroom.weebly.com/index.html Can we return to Nazis and Jews and Bible verses? It's so much betterer. I am actually kind of bummed that I can't get a good argument when it comes down to the brass tacks. If I lose, than I should learn a lot. You don't gain if you never take a loss, look at sports stars who are never pushed ... when they finally hit their buster douglas. Their world breaks. |
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Posted: 2/10/2024 12:35:38 AM EDT
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In the year 2030, the U.S. Bureau of Labor & Statistics says that the average American woman will be 40 years old & barren.
That also means not likely to be married, bitter, and more. This group murders their own babies for convenience, hates men, spends & consume more than they produce, & are the largest voting block & most politically active in the nation & data shows they are going further left at an accelerating pace. They will vote for this in a heart beat. |
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Posted: 2/10/2024 12:36:46 AM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm here to tell you SS is a legal program and the tax is legal. You're telling us your feelz are hurt about muh theft. Does that about sum it up? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You and a lot of other hard working middle class folks, including me. But Lou is here to tell us that isn't theft. Some judges and politicians told him otherwise. And if you don't believe them, trust the "experts" and "science" then you aren't "educated." You know, the typical American Communist style of discourse. I'm here to tell you SS is a legal program and the tax is legal. You're telling us your feelz are hurt about muh theft. Does that about sum it up? Legal doesn't mean right. It just means someone said it was legal. Not one bit more. Right and wrong are not "feelz," any more than "male or female" are, regardless what the trans movement would try and extort us into believing. |
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Posted: 2/10/2024 12:37:27 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It is in the fine print of the income tax contract. Do you think laws only apply to you if you signed a contract? I guess you don’t pay income tax, property tax, sales tax or any other giver taxes and fees. You are subject to all the laws by the fact you are in the country. Don’t like it, renounce your citizenship and move to another country. I have a copy of my signed income tax contract allowing them to take taxes for .mil, the eff bee eye, see eye ay, and 87,000 other fed and state programs. Doesn't everyone get a copy? |
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Posted: 2/10/2024 12:38:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Legal doesn't mean right. It just means someone said it was legal. Not one bit more. Right and wrong are not "feelz," any more than "male or female" are, regardless what the trans movement would try and extort us into believing. "Legal" means it's the rule you agree to live by. Otherwise, feel free to adios, or change the law. I'm a patient man, I'll wait for either. |
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Posted: 2/10/2024 12:39:23 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. You can even keep my decades of contribution's, I just free of it now. Yes. |
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Posted: 2/10/2024 12:41:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "Legal" means it's the rule you agree to live by. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Legal doesn't mean right. It just means someone said it was legal. Not one bit more. Right and wrong are not "feelz," any more than "male or female" are, regardless what the trans movement would try and extort us into believing. "Legal" means it's the rule you agree to live by. Ok. Let's take just this one bit. What about the definition of "legal" means I have to agree to live by it? Go grab a short-ish definition of legal. Put it in a post. Read it like you want Scotus to read the 2nd amendment, and see if what the text says requires people to agree with you. Grab my rehtorical arm and break it. I've just put my wrist in your hand. ETA: If what you're saying is true, you *can* wrench my arm over and snap it, even if I say you haven't. That's how truth works. |
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Posted: 2/10/2024 12:41:30 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Legal doesn't mean right. It just means someone said it was legal. Not one bit more. Right and wrong are not "feelz," any more than "male or female" are, regardless what the trans movement would try and extort us into believing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: You and a lot of other hard working middle class folks, including me. But Lou is here to tell us that isn't theft. Some judges and politicians told him otherwise. And if you don't believe them, trust the "experts" and "science" then you aren't "educated." You know, the typical American Communist style of discourse. I'm here to tell you SS is a legal program and the tax is legal. You're telling us your feelz are hurt about muh theft. Does that about sum it up? Legal doesn't mean right. It just means someone said it was legal. Not one bit more. Right and wrong are not "feelz," any more than "male or female" are, regardless what the trans movement would try and extort us into believing. Stop quoting the blowhards so they can get back to bingo night at the VFW. |
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Posted: 2/10/2024 12:41:31 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It is in the fine print of the income tax contract. Do you think laws only apply to you if you signed a contract? I guess you don’t pay income tax, property tax, sales tax or any other giver taxes and fees. You are subject to all the laws by the fact you are in the country. Don’t like it, renounce your citizenship and move to another country. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: You took a job in which SS tax was taken from your paycheck. Unless someone forced you to take that job, it was voluntary. No, I want to see the contract I signed with the government regarding SS. A guy with gun to my head saying “Pay me if you want to earn money” is called extortion. It is in the fine print of the income tax contract. Do you think laws only apply to you if you signed a contract? I guess you don’t pay income tax, property tax, sales tax or any other giver taxes and fees. You are subject to all the laws by the fact you are in the country. Don’t like it, renounce your citizenship and move to another country. This is a much better and more logical argument. |
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Posted: 2/10/2024 12:41:33 AM EDT
[#32]
How many are eligible for SS retirement but refuse to apply for it?
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Posted: 2/10/2024 12:42:51 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It is in the fine print of the income tax contract. Do you think laws only apply to you if you signed a contract? I guess you don’t pay income tax, property tax, sales tax or any other giver taxes and fees. You are subject to all the laws by the fact you are in the country. Don’t like it, renounce your citizenship and move to another country. Don’t describe something as a contract if it isn’t. Also yes, I make any and all efforts to avoid paying taxes whenever possible. Fuck that shit. |
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Posted: 2/10/2024 12:43:14 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Stop quoting the blowhards so they can get back to bingo night at the VFW. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: You and a lot of other hard working middle class folks, including me. But Lou is here to tell us that isn't theft. Some judges and politicians told him otherwise. And if you don't believe them, trust the "experts" and "science" then you aren't "educated." You know, the typical American Communist style of discourse. I'm here to tell you SS is a legal program and the tax is legal. You're telling us your feelz are hurt about muh theft. Does that about sum it up? Legal doesn't mean right. It just means someone said it was legal. Not one bit more. Right and wrong are not "feelz," any more than "male or female" are, regardless what the trans movement would try and extort us into believing. Stop quoting the blowhards so they can get back to bingo night at the VFW. It's my time to waste.  Every once in a while, someone gets outside of their safe space and learns to grow. |
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Posted: 2/10/2024 12:44:28 AM EDT
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When this site first came online, a popular saying when some new government program would be proposed that took from one group or class, to give to another, was "it's always a great thing until it's YOUR ox getting gored".
Welcome to the future that was predicted back then. |
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Posted: 2/10/2024 12:45:16 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: well, we've got to do something Glad we can count on you to have some fucktarded opinion comrade |
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Posted: 2/10/2024 12:46:11 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You gave a definition of theft. I gave clear cut examples of how / when SS meets your definition. It is in fact theft. It is also badly managed. You’re both right. It’s poorly managed theft |
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Posted: 2/10/2024 12:47:38 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How many are eligible for SS retirement but refuse to apply for it? No one, even the loudest GD conscientious SS objectors will eventually take when they are eligible.  That's the irony of these threads. (Shhh, don't tell them!)
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Posted: 2/10/2024 12:48:31 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Don’t describe something as a contract if it isn’t. Also yes, I make any and all efforts to avoid paying taxes whenever possible. Fuck that shit. Me too. I pay a guy good $ to legally minimize my taxes to the maximum. It's the American Way. |
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Posted: 2/10/2024 12:50:46 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Me too. I pay a guy good $ to legally minimize my taxes to the maximum. It's the American Way. If you aren’t actively trying to deprive the government of tax money, are you even an American?
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Posted: 2/10/2024 12:52:18 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If you aren’t actively trying to deprive the government of tax money, are you even an American? It is my patriotic duty to deprive the govt. of money, legally. It is also my patriotic duty to donate to good causes with the money I save, and then some. Which I do, and often. |
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Posted: 2/10/2024 12:58:22 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No one, even the loudest GD conscientious SS objectors will eventually take when they are eligible. That's the irony of these threads. (Shhh, don't tell them!)Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How many are eligible for SS retirement but refuse to apply for it? No one, even the loudest GD conscientious SS objectors will eventually take when they are eligible. That's the irony of these threads. (Shhh, don't tell them!)I hope I manage to refuse when I get there. I managed to toss the stupid stimulus checks in the shredder when they sent them to me. I'm pretty sure it wound up in the litter pan and got peed on by my cats. |
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Posted: 2/10/2024 1:01:21 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I hope I manage to refuse when I get there. I managed to toss the stupid stimulus checks in the shredder when they sent them to me. I'm pretty sure it wound up in the litter pan and got peed on by my cats. They sent you stimmy checks and you didn't ask for them? How does that happen? Asking for a friend. My, uh, friend never got a stimmy dime, asked-for or not. |
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Posted: 2/10/2024 1:06:45 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It is my patriotic duty to deprive the govt. of money, legally. It is also my patriotic duty to donate to good causes with the money I save, and then some. Which I do, and often. I’m at the stage of life where every cent I can keep and invest will make my life and my kids lives easier. I still try to donate a relatively good amount to charitable causes every year though. |
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Posted: 2/10/2024 1:09:31 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They sent you stimmy checks and you didn't ask for them? How does that happen? Asking for a friend. My, uh, friend never got a stimmy dime, asked-for or not. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I hope I manage to refuse when I get there. I managed to toss the stupid stimulus checks in the shredder when they sent them to me. I'm pretty sure it wound up in the litter pan and got peed on by my cats. They sent you stimmy checks and you didn't ask for them? How does that happen? Asking for a friend. My, uh, friend never got a stimmy dime, asked-for or not. Those stupid stimulus checks during the covid era. There were even threads here during it with people discussing what gun to get with it. |
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Posted: 2/10/2024 1:40:52 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You and a lot of other hard working middle class folks, including me. But Lou is here to tell us that isn't theft. Some judges and politicians told him otherwise. And if you don't believe them, trust the "experts" and "science" then you aren't "educated." You know, the typical American Communist style of discourse. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If I could have invested what my wife and I paid SS I'd be Scrooge fuckin McDuck... https://www.meme-arsenal.com/memes/cc4a94ab5793a8054fb69e3fa2ff6f10.jpg You and a lot of other hard working middle class folks, including me. But Lou is here to tell us that isn't theft. Some judges and politicians told him otherwise. And if you don't believe them, trust the "experts" and "science" then you aren't "educated." You know, the typical American Communist style of discourse. You really shouldn't cherrypick my post to take a shot at Lou. Don't forget, I'm the retired Boomer fuck you pay me guy... I bitched about paying into SS 30 years ago. This shit is nothing new. However, I went out and worked, saved, invested and lived life. Now I take every fucking dime I can. According to some, that make me a socialist. Well slap me on the ass sweetheart and call me Karl Marx.  |
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Posted: 2/10/2024 1:53:23 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You really shouldn't cherrypick my post to take a shot at Lou. Don't forget, I'm the retired Boomer fuck you pay me guy... I bitched about paying into SS 30 years ago. This shit is nothing new. However, I went out and worked, saved, invested and lived life. Now I take every fucking dime I can. According to some, that make me a socialist. Well slap me on the ass sweetheart and call me Karl Marx. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/61/17/2e/61172e741da8962fb9eada10e5fd76ac.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: If I could have invested what my wife and I paid SS I'd be Scrooge fuckin McDuck... https://www.meme-arsenal.com/memes/cc4a94ab5793a8054fb69e3fa2ff6f10.jpg You and a lot of other hard working middle class folks, including me. But Lou is here to tell us that isn't theft. Some judges and politicians told him otherwise. And if you don't believe them, trust the "experts" and "science" then you aren't "educated." You know, the typical American Communist style of discourse. You really shouldn't cherrypick my post to take a shot at Lou. Don't forget, I'm the retired Boomer fuck you pay me guy... I bitched about paying into SS 30 years ago. This shit is nothing new. However, I went out and worked, saved, invested and lived life. Now I take every fucking dime I can. According to some, that make me a socialist. Well slap me on the ass sweetheart and call me Karl Marx. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/61/17/2e/61172e741da8962fb9eada10e5fd76ac.jpg Brass tacks and ruber meets the road: It means you are content to recieve stolen funds. I'm guessing because you were stolen from and complained about it. In order to be consistent with that, you have to say that extorting funds from people who don't want to give it is morally ok, as long as the one doing it did it to you previously, and is doing it to give it to you. Our God is usually what looks back at us in the mirror. |
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Posted: 2/10/2024 1:59:07 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Brass tacks and ruber meets the road: It means you are content to recieve stolen funds. I'm guessing because you were stolen from and complained about it. In order to be consistent with that, you have to say that extorting funds from people who don't want to give it is morally ok, as long as the one doing it did it to you previously, and is doing it to give it to you. Our God is usually what looks back at us in the mirror.  |
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Posted: 2/10/2024 2:03:09 AM EDT
[#49]
Wish you could just opt out of the system.
No refund, no payments, just don't take any more from me. I have been maxing SS for decades, even paying the Obama penalty on top of that. I don't factor SS into my retirement planning at all. I will not be a dependent. |
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Posted: 2/10/2024 3:05:18 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You really shouldn't cherrypick my post to take a shot at Lou. Don't forget, I'm the retired Boomer fuck you pay me guy... I bitched about paying into SS 30 years ago. This shit is nothing new. However, I went out and worked, saved, invested and lived life. Now I take every fucking dime I can. According to some, that make me a socialist. Well slap me on the ass sweetheart and call me Karl Marx. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/61/17/2e/61172e741da8962fb9eada10e5fd76ac.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: If I could have invested what my wife and I paid SS I'd be Scrooge fuckin McDuck... https://www.meme-arsenal.com/memes/cc4a94ab5793a8054fb69e3fa2ff6f10.jpg You and a lot of other hard working middle class folks, including me. But Lou is here to tell us that isn't theft. Some judges and politicians told him otherwise. And if you don't believe them, trust the "experts" and "science" then you aren't "educated." You know, the typical American Communist style of discourse. You really shouldn't cherrypick my post to take a shot at Lou. Don't forget, I'm the retired Boomer fuck you pay me guy... I bitched about paying into SS 30 years ago. This shit is nothing new. However, I went out and worked, saved, invested and lived life. Now I take every fucking dime I can. According to some, that make me a socialist. Well slap me on the ass sweetheart and call me Karl Marx. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/61/17/2e/61172e741da8962fb9eada10e5fd76ac.jpg I'll take my rebate checks if / when the time comes. |
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