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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:30:00 AM EDT
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I took issue with the poster implying that killing badguys is their job. I said it was part of their job. But the issue is that it is tangential to their job. In fact IF there's a way to do it without a death, that should be their job. |
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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:30:07 AM EDT
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Morale patches won't be far behind.
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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:30:39 AM EDT
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Fuck it... I'm changing into my fucking SRT uni. That will make me want to go out and tear some shit up... Civil rights? NOT WHEN I HAVE CARGO POCKETS!!!!! I'm not puttin anything in there either...I may not even button that shit up, just leave em open for everyone to SEE that I have ....FUCKING CARGO POCKETS !!!!! IT'S ALL FUCKING CARGO POCKETS .... and to a lesser extent...TRAUMA KITS....  
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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:31:05 AM EDT
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Why the hell do you coperators need these "trauma kits"? The public would have a way better perception of you without these "trauma kits".   To treat life threatening major wounds till EMS arrives on scene. The first five minutes can be the difference between life and death.
<––-ALS/CLS trained. I carry one trauma kit up front in my cruiser and one ony active shooter vest. I also carry those scary CPR sheilds. 
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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:31:21 AM EDT
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I'm ok with it. Firemen used to wear rubber coats and boots. Now they are covered head to toe in Nomex, and have a scary mask that makes uninformed kids scared because they sound like Darth Vader.
Education is key. Teach your children that under all that gear, there resides a (98% of the time) man or woman who will sacrifice a lot to run towards something that everyone else is fleeing from. I know last time I went into a house fire, I was damn glad I had my "kit" on me. 
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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:31:35 AM EDT
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I'd like to see what the general accepted definition of "militarization" is here on ARF. It all starts with those cargo pockets. Then they want those "spray-n-pray" assault weapons. Next thing you know, they're marching people into internment camps. Only makes sense to stop it at the "pockets" stage. I've seen the train cars and plastic coffins!
How've you been man? Haven't seen you around. Busy as hell. Tis the season. Going to be in the ham for 2 days this week for some gunshot trama training. Sure wish I had cargo pockets to tote my trama kit in 
Fascist Damn busted. Well I'm off to practice my goose stepping. |
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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:32:05 AM EDT
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In before cops who want suppressors on their weapons
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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:32:27 AM EDT
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Why the hell do you coperators need these "trauma kits"? The public would have a way better perception of you without these "trauma kits". To treat life threatening major wounds till EMS arrives on scene. The first five minutes can be the difference between life and death.
<––-ALS/CLS trained. I carry one trauma kit up front in my cruiser and one ony active shooter vest. I also carry those scary CPR sheilds. Did you attend that inservice on sarcasm-detection-and-interdiction? Some of the best training I ever attended 
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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:32:33 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Busy as hell. Tis the season. Going to be in the ham for 2 days this week for some gunshot trama training. Sure wish I had cargo pockets to tote my trama kit in I'm in the same class.  I'll be wearing cargo pockets.  Who? What? When? Where? IM in bound. |
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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:32:39 AM EDT
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Why the hell do you coperators need these "trauma kits"? The public would have a way better perception of you without these "trauma kits". To treat life threatening major wounds till EMS arrives on scene. The first five minutes can be the difference between life and death.
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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:33:11 AM EDT
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Kitty is resisting in this illustration. Probably a sovereign citizen. Sovereign Pussy 
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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:33:23 AM EDT
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In before cops who want suppressors on their weapons <––already have them.
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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:33:37 AM EDT
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I'd like to see what the general accepted definition of "militarization" is here on ARF. It all starts with those cargo pockets. Then they want those "spray-n-pray" assault weapons. Next thing you know, they're marching people into internment camps. Only makes sense to stop it at the "pockets" stage. I've seen the train cars and plastic coffins!
How've you been man? Haven't seen you around. Busy as hell. Tis the season. Going to be in the ham for 2 days this week for some gunshot trama training. Sure wish I had cargo pockets to tote my trama kit in
Fascist Damn busted. Well I'm off to practice my goose stepping. 
Here is some music to help you get in the mood. |
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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:34:25 AM EDT
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Why the hell do you coperators need these "trauma kits"? The public would have a way better perception of you without these "trauma kits". To treat life threatening major wounds till EMS arrives on scene. The first five minutes can be the difference between life and death.
<––-ALS/CLS trained. I carry one trauma kit up front in my cruiser and one ony active shooter vest. I also carry those scary CPR sheilds. Did you attend that inservice on sarcasm-detection-and-interdiction? Some of the best training I ever attended Operating blind on the backdoor site. I hate sonicwall. |
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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:34:46 AM EDT
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And I give you our second nominee. Come on Hugo you know what was meant by that. Go ahead and explain to me how it is "A Responsibility" of officers to "kill badguys". As it was phrased, it would seem to be a line item in their annual review. |
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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:35:01 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Times change. So does equipment, training and the need (both percieved and real). It's nice to have the high speed gear when you need it. It is overused sometimes, but it's better to have it and not need it right? OH, and to the retards that think "the good old days" were better... That's fine, we can play 1950's cop... But, you give me back talk and I'll split your wig. Miranda? fuck you. Terry rule? fuck you. Do what I say or I beat you down. You wanna do what? File a complaint? sure come on back to the office and I'll file your complaint. You may need a trip to the hospital after, but we'll get it done for you. Sometimes you guys are real winners. So tactical coperators or corrupt assholes are our only two options? Go back up and continue reading. Fucking G/D...  <––- indicates satire and humor in a "busting each others chops" manner. |
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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:36:07 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: And I give you our second nominee. Come on Hugo you know what was meant by that. Go ahead and explain to me how it is "A Responsibility" of officers to "kill badguys". As it was phrased, it would seem to be a line item in their annual review. Because it's safer to the public for us to shoot him than hug him? |
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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:36:28 AM EDT
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My Grandfather was a Tacticool Texas Ranger and the dude was a bad ass. Seriously bad ass.
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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:36:40 AM EDT
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Morale patches won't be far behind. My supervisor passes those out when he writes up ositive perfromance evaluations. Next you'll say challenge coins can't be far behind. |
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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:37:15 AM EDT
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Actually as a LEO I dont feel better when you have "Bad Ass Toys". I would feel better if all LEO's had better training on the "Toy's" either bad ass or non bad ass. Careful, logic is not allowed around here. This is the true answer but people are too hung up on cops with pockets and their rifles not having wood grained plastic to get to any sensible discussion. You've at least tried to entertain a serious discussion. I appreciate that. |
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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:37:55 AM EDT
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My Grandfather was a Tacticool Texas Ranger and the dude was a bad ass. Seriously bad ass. http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c48/austinbelair/Ranger%20Museum/Beard1.jpg So badass they put their muzzles in the dirt. |
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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:38:03 AM EDT
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Nothing military about these old style uniforms...
   JBTs - BT stands for BOW TIE!  Good old soothing wood and steel. Nothing military here...      |
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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:38:15 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:38:42 AM EDT
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And I give you our second nominee. Come on Hugo you know what was meant by that. Go ahead and explain to me how it is "A Responsibility" of officers to "kill badguys". As it was phrased, it would seem to be a line item in their annual review. Because it's safer to the public for us to shoot him than hug him? That's True! But we both know shooting doesn't equal KILLING. You shoot to stop them. The phrasing implied that an anchor shot ala Oklahoma Pharmacist is your responsibility. |
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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:39:04 AM EDT
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I must say this thread is as entertaining as the BOTD chick bitching because someone posted her pictures elsewhere. LOL
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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:40:02 AM EDT
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I took issue with the poster implying that killing badguys is their job. I said it was part of their job. But the issue is that it is tangential to their job. In fact IF there's a way to do it without a death, that should be their job. If a police officer employs deadly force to stop a threat I generally don't give a flying fuck if the bad-guy lives or dies. Part of what they do involves activities that can kill bad guys. You can parse it any old way you want but the fact is police officers may to have to employ deadly force at some point in the carer, and that deadly force can result in...well....death. When that time comes I want them to have the best gear and training possible. This stops the threat quicker, reduces the threat to innocent bystanders and could very likely save my life some day (god forbid). If said bad guy dies so much the better. If said bad guy lives, patch him up and take him to trial/toss him in the clink. If said bad guy turns out to be a good-guy then the police officer has a whole lotta questions to answer and could face his own charges and trip to the slammer. This all strikes me as common sense. YMMV. |
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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:40:30 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: And I give you our second nominee. Come on Hugo you know what was meant by that. Go ahead and explain to me how it is "A Responsibility" of officers to "kill badguys". As it was phrased, it would seem to be a line item in their annual review. Because it's safer to the public for us to shoot him than hug him? That's True! But we both know shooting doesn't equal KILLING. You shoot to stop them. The phrasing implied that an anchor shot ala Oklahoma Pharmacist is your responsibility. To be fair, I'm 100% certain that he meant shoot. |
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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:40:33 AM EDT
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I must say this thread is as entertaining as the BOTD chick bitching because someone posted her pictures elsewhere. LOL Yes, this thread is keeping me up and I really should get to bed..
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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:40:52 AM EDT
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Quoted: No LEO should be allowed to own, carry, or otherwise possess anything that is illegal for Joe citizen to. No exemptions period. In places like NYC, Shitcago, and CA, cops would be nothing more than meter maids with rape whistles. In Texas cops could only CCW. In VA they if they want to walk around OCing their pistol and AR15, have at it.  If you're worried about this rule having an adverse affected on LEO saftey, repeal your shit gun control laws. I agree with this plan. |
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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:40:55 AM EDT
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You know what.... Fuck it... I'm changing into my fucking SRT uni. That will make me want to go out and tear some shit up... Civil rights? NOT WHEN I HAVE CARGO POCKETS!!!!! I'm not puttin anything in there either...I may not even button that shit up, just leave em open for everyone to SEE that I have ....FUCKING CARGO POCKETS !!!!! IT'S ALL FUCKING CARGO POCKETS .... and to a lesser extent...TRAUMA KITS.... I'm telling you that velcro is a sneaky M'Fr too. Don't forget the velcro. |
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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:42:49 AM EDT
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Major troll thread with lots of fuck but I'll play.
When I started my career in 1992 the "old guys" then used to wish to return to the "old days". Guys that had been around since they got back from Viet Nam. Guys with no education beyond HS wanting to go back to the "beat and release" days when you could "straighten out" some Adam Henry who didn't know how to keep their mouth shut. When there was no video or audio recording devices. When shit heads in a car couldn't get on their cell phones and call their mommies or their homies when they got pulled over. When many LE rolled with full auto Thompsons, M1 and M2 carbines, lever guns and 1911s. Hell, I've personally listened to stories from guys retired from Chicago, Columbus, Gary, Cleveland and other places that if done today would result in charges. Yeah, most LE would probably trade their AR, helmet. gloves and what ever to go back to no video, no audio, no cell phones, a Tommy gun, a 1911and lots of empty space to put the bodies. The question is, would you? Complain about cops all you want, when your kids school or your wifes place of work is getting shot up, there will be some JBT running in risking his life so you and yours can get together and smoke some weed this weekend. And he will look however his admin lets him. |
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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:42:53 AM EDT
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And I give you our second nominee. Come on Hugo you know what was meant by that. Go ahead and explain to me how it is "A Responsibility" of officers to "kill badguys". As it was phrased, it would seem to be a line item in their annual review. Because it's safer to the public for us to shoot him than hug him? That's True! But we both know shooting doesn't equal KILLING. You shoot to stop them. The phrasing implied that an anchor shot ala Oklahoma Pharmacist is your responsibility. The proper vernacular is "busting punks."
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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:43:22 AM EDT
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Morale patches won't be far behind. My supervisor passes those out when he writes up ositive perfromance evaluations. Next you'll say challenge coins can't be far behind. Morale patches are a gateway to kill tallies on the squad car doors. |
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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:43:31 AM EDT
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I'd like to see what the general accepted definition of "militarization" is here on ARF. It all starts with those cargo pockets. Then they want those "spray-n-pray" assault weapons. Next thing you know, they're marching people into internment camps. Only makes sense to stop it at the "pockets" stage. I've seen the train cars and plastic coffins!
How've you been man? Haven't seen you around. Busy as hell. Tis the season. Going to be in the ham for 2 days this week for some gunshot trama training. Sure wish I had cargo pockets to tote my trama kit in
Fascist Damn busted. Well I'm off to practice my goose stepping.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isJPWLtCZK0
Here is some music to help you get in the mood. Nice. Only problem is it was to fast paced. I'm old and I think I might have busted a hip. Anything slower |
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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:43:35 AM EDT
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And I give you our second nominee. Come on Hugo you know what was meant by that. Go ahead and explain to me how it is "A Responsibility" of officers to "kill badguys". As it was phrased, it would seem to be a line item in their annual review. Because it's safer to the public for us to shoot him than hug him? That's True! But we both know shooting doesn't equal KILLING. You shoot to stop them. The phrasing implied that an anchor shot ala Oklahoma Pharmacist is your responsibility. To be fair, I'm 100% certain that he meant shoot.
I'm a mean what you say and say what you mean kind of guy. And yes, I've been called on my phrasing before, PC RAS and such have confused me and I was pounced upon by Arfs LEO contingent, as you well know. 
The difference between shoot and kill is much greater than the difference between magazine and clip wouldn't you say!
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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:44:14 AM EDT
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And I give you our second nominee. Come on Hugo you know what was meant by that. Go ahead and explain to me how it is "A Responsibility" of officers to "kill badguys". As it was phrased, it would seem to be a line item in their annual review. It's been done. Go back and read. |
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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:45:25 AM EDT
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You know what.... Fuck it... I'm changing into my fucking SRT uni. That will make me want to go out and tear some shit up... Civil rights? NOT WHEN I HAVE CARGO POCKETS!!!!! I'm not puttin anything in there either...I may not even button that shit up, just leave em open for everyone to SEE that I have ....FUCKING CARGO POCKETS !!!!! IT'S ALL FUCKING CARGO POCKETS .... and to a lesser extent...TRAUMA KITS.... I'm telling you that velcro is a sneaky M'Fr too. Don't forget the velcro. It's all about that sound it makes. When they rrrrrip open that velcro pocket, It's like they're ripping the Constitution. |
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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:45:25 AM EDT
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My Grandfather was a Tacticool Texas Ranger and the dude was a bad ass. Seriously bad ass. http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c48/austinbelair/Ranger%20Museum/Beard1.jpg A badass with dirt in his barrel |
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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:45:27 AM EDT
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And I give you our second nominee. Come on Hugo you know what was meant by that. Go ahead and explain to me how it is "A Responsibility" of officers to "kill badguys". As it was phrased, it would seem to be a line item in their annual review. It's been done. Go back and read. So...It isn't. Good. |
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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:46:13 AM EDT
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My Grandfather was a Tacticool Texas Ranger and the dude was a bad ass. Seriously bad ass. http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c48/austinbelair/Ranger%20Museum/Beard1.jpg So badass they put their muzzles in the dirt. So bad ass that they knew the backdrop was a piece of canvas, inside a building. No dirt muzzles. In a bar 
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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:47:34 AM EDT
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonnie_and_Clyde
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Bohemia_Lodge Think the "ambush" of Bonnie and Clyde would be viewed a legal today? The Little Bohemia shootout involved hundreds of rounds fired, and 3 people "gunned down" by the FBI "acidentally". No LEO's charged with any crimes as a result of that, would it work the same way today? |
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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:47:49 AM EDT
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And I give you our second nominee. Come on Hugo you know what was meant by that. Go ahead and explain to me how it is "A Responsibility" of officers to "kill badguys". As it was phrased, it would seem to be a line item in their annual review. Because it's safer to the public for us to shoot him than hug him? That's True! But we both know shooting doesn't equal KILLING. You shoot to stop them. The phrasing implied that an anchor shot ala Oklahoma Pharmacist is your responsibility. Wrong we shoot to kill. I haven't been to Shooting firearms out hands training yet. |
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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:47:54 AM EDT
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You know what.... Fuck it... I'm changing into my fucking SRT uni. That will make me want to go out and tear some shit up... Civil rights? NOT WHEN I HAVE CARGO POCKETS!!!!! I'm not puttin anything in there either...I may not even button that shit up, just leave em open for everyone to SEE that I have ....FUCKING CARGO POCKETS !!!!! IT'S ALL FUCKING CARGO POCKETS .... and to a lesser extent...TRAUMA KITS.... I'm telling you that velcro is a sneaky M'Fr too. Don't forget the velcro. Yea...velco too...that shit is SCARY.... And if I'm feeling plucky...I might throw on a carabiner with some flex cuffs.... People will FREEK THE FUCK OUT when they see that.... |
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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:48:40 AM EDT
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My Grandfather was a Tacticool Texas Ranger and the dude was a bad ass. Seriously bad ass. http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c48/austinbelair/Ranger%20Museum/Beard1.jpg So badass they put their muzzles in the dirt. So bad ass that they knew the backdrop was a piece of canvas, inside a building. No dirt muzzles. In a bar http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c48/austinbelair/Random/tb011.jpg And his posse http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c48/austinbelair/Random/tb204.jpg OK that is really cool. |
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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:48:56 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:49:05 AM EDT
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No LEO should be allowed to own, carry, or otherwise possess anything that is illegal for Joe citizen to. No exemptions period. In places like NYC, Shitcago, and CA, cops would be nothing more than meter maids with rape whistles. In Texas cops could only CCW. In VA they if they want to walk around OCing their pistol and AR15, have at it.
If you're worried about this rule having an adverse affected on LEO saftey, repeal your shit gun control laws. I like this idea.
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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:51:30 AM EDT
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And I give you our second nominee. Come on Hugo you know what was meant by that. Go ahead and explain to me how it is "A Responsibility" of officers to "kill badguys". As it was phrased, it would seem to be a line item in their annual review. Because it's safer to the public for us to shoot him than hug him? That's True! But we both know shooting doesn't equal KILLING. You shoot to stop them. The phrasing implied that an anchor shot ala Oklahoma Pharmacist is your responsibility. Wrong we shoot to kill. I haven't been to Shooting firearms out hands training yet. Gotta disagree with you on your nomenclature... SHOOT TO STOP THE THREAT. Center of Mass. Death is sometimes a byproduct if this is correctly administered. |
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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:51:53 AM EDT
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My Grandfather was a Tacticool Texas Ranger and the dude was a bad ass. Seriously bad ass. http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c48/austinbelair/Ranger%20Museum/Beard1.jpg So badass they put their muzzles in the dirt. So bad ass that they knew the backdrop was a piece of canvas, inside a building. No dirt muzzles. In a bar http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c48/austinbelair/Random/tb011.jpg And his posse http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c48/austinbelair/Random/tb204.jpg OK that is really cool. I only claimed he was a bad ass is my uncle has been doing research on him for many many years and there is a lot of info out there about him. The dude left the Texas Rangers and moved to Tampico, Mexico as a hired gun and ran protection from Pancho Villa on Payroll trains. He was a body guard for an oil tycoon as well then moved back to Marfa, Texas where he was in law Enforcement. |
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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:52:33 AM EDT
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My Grandfather was a Tacticool Texas Ranger and the dude was a bad ass. Seriously bad ass. http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c48/austinbelair/Ranger%20Museum/Beard1.jpg So badass they put their muzzles in the dirt. So bad ass that they knew the backdrop was a piece of canvas, inside a building. No dirt muzzles. In a bar http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c48/austinbelair/Random/tb011.jpg And his posse http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c48/austinbelair/Random/tb204.jpg Great old pics. You have any more? |
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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:53:56 AM EDT
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And I give you our second nominee. Come on Hugo you know what was meant by that. Go ahead and explain to me how it is "A Responsibility" of officers to "kill badguys". As it was phrased, it would seem to be a line item in their annual review. It's been done. Go back and read. I love when pedantic people make a stink out of a minor point and then pretend they are very clever. I think most adults in the room understand that part of what a cop does is employ deadly force, and that force could involve killing people. I suppose I was mistaken. |
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