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Posted: 6/9/2016 12:40:29 PM EST
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Seller completely misrepresented item so everything is on him. His as-is BS only applies if he sends you the correct item, and you shouldn't have to sit around waiting for him to get the correct item just because he is incapable of looking at what he is actually selling.
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Posted: 6/9/2016 12:42:19 PM EST
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Super unprofessional email response you sent.
Lots of filler words and bullshit. You're not friends, he is not your buddy; get to the fucking point. Even your response in this thread are long winded. When you respond with short to the point emails, it leaves the other person no wiggle room. |
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Posted: 6/9/2016 12:43:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: UPS/USPS/FedEx usually drop a stack of boxes off and get them all signed for at once. If the FFL doesn't know it's coming back he won't notice what's in the package and who shipped it until after he signs for it and opens it. ATF won't do anything because it's a civil matter, and if you were a licensee I could point you to a discussion about a recent incident (except in this one the FFL is the douche who did the chargeback on another FFL). Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: WTF OP? Charge back. If he wants his rifle back he'll pay to have it shipped back. UPS/USPS/FedEx usually drop a stack of boxes off and get them all signed for at once. If the FFL doesn't know it's coming back he won't notice what's in the package and who shipped it until after he signs for it and opens it. If he charges it back while he still has the rifle the shop owner can call ATF and report the gun stolen as the customer now has the $$ & the gun ATF won't do anything because it's a civil matter, and if you were a licensee I could point you to a discussion about a recent incident (except in this one the FFL is the douche who did the chargeback on another FFL). The ATF will get involved and have A customer charged back 100 receivers 2 years ago, the ATF did get involved and the guy paid by cert check the following day. He said he never received the lowers to his CC co, they were logged into his book There are 2 other instances with lessor amounts of lowers or guns. First of all you will have to lie on the affidavit to the CC co saying the gun was returned, now the ATF knows you have the gun and the money |
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Posted: 6/9/2016 12:44:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What the heck is wrong with you? Read the damn thread. He never took delivery of the firearm and it sits at his FFL. Geesh! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: WTF OP? Charge back. If he wants his rifle back he'll pay to have it shipped back. If he charges it back while he still has the rifle the shop owner can call ATF and report the gun stolen as the customer now has the $$ & the gun What the heck is wrong with you? Read the damn thread. He never took delivery of the firearm and it sits at his FFL. Geesh! |
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Posted: 6/9/2016 12:45:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: According to the OP the rifle is still in the possession of the receiving FFL: Would that make a difference? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: WTF OP? Charge back. If he wants his rifle back he'll pay to have it shipped back. If he charges it back while he still has the rifle the shop owner can call ATF and report the gun stolen as the customer now has the $$ & the gun According to the OP the rifle is still in the possession of the receiving FFL: So i did NOT accept the rifle at my FFL and kept it in his possession and contacted the seller. Would that make a difference? |
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Posted: 6/9/2016 12:47:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Does the ATF take a lotnof theft reports? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: WTF OP? Charge back. If he wants his rifle back he'll pay to have it shipped back. If he charges it back while he still has the rifle the shop owner can call ATF and report the gun stolen as the customer now has the $$ & the gun Does the ATF take a lotnof theft reports? If a customer lies and says he sent back a rifle and now has the gun or his FFL still has the gun he has the gun and the money technically |
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Posted: 6/9/2016 12:52:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And maybe he is a member here and posts your contact info all over the net? There are some vindictive pricks out there Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If he opposes i will direct him to this thread, post the company, and change my tone Hence the reason for my "nice" email ETA: No response yet. |
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Posted: 6/9/2016 12:52:26 PM EST
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The seller offered to make it right so I doubt gunbroker would do anything.
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Posted: 6/9/2016 12:58:03 PM EST
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Lots of talk on charge back, and I think jrzy has some valid points.
Here is what I would do. Check to see how long you have before you can no longer file a chargeback. Agree with the dealer on a reasonable time frame for a replacement rifle that is within the chargeback period. Return the incorrect rifle to the dealer. Once he has received it and logged it now there's proof it was returned. Wait for your replacement. Either you receive the replacement (and now you're happy) or you then initiate a charge back. Now you have proof the rifle was returned, you attempted in good faith to work with the merchant and now doubt the merchant can fulfill his end of the bargain. But first you need to move the rifle back to the seller. |
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Posted: 6/9/2016 12:59:06 PM EST
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Bet you someone switched uppers on you.  Hoping you wouldn't notice. Check all other stuff; "F" front post, full BCG with markings, etc etc.This is what happened. |
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Posted: 6/9/2016 1:09:51 PM EST
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I will probably shoot him an email today asking how long it would take to get a replacement, i do NOT want to go that route but that would give me a basis of what to do. This is the only rifle he had so I ASSUME he would have to order another and I do not want to wait fucking weeks for a new rifle.....
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Posted: 6/9/2016 1:33:42 PM EST
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I hope you get what you want op.
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Posted: 6/9/2016 2:18:53 PM EST
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I am an FFL with 4 different lic and 3 SOT's for the co's we own The ATF will get involved and have A customer charged back 100 receivers 2 years ago, the ATF did get involved and the guy paid by cert check the following day. He said he never received the lowers to his CC co, they were logged into his book There are 2 other instances with lessor amounts of lowers or guns. First of all you will have to lie on the affidavit to the CC co saying the gun was returned, now the ATF knows you have the gun and the money Quote HistoryQuoted:
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WTF OP? Charge back. If he wants his rifle back he'll pay to have it shipped back. UPS/USPS/FedEx usually drop a stack of boxes off and get them all signed for at once. If the FFL doesn't know it's coming back he won't notice what's in the package and who shipped it until after he signs for it and opens it. If he charges it back while he still has the rifle the shop owner can call ATF and report the gun stolen as the customer now has the $$ & the gun ATF won't do anything because it's a civil matter, and if you were a licensee I could point you to a discussion about a recent incident (except in this one the FFL is the douche who did the chargeback on another FFL). A customer charged back 100 receivers 2 years ago, the ATF did get involved and the guy paid by cert check the following day. He said he never received the lowers to his CC co, they were logged into his book There are 2 other instances with lessor amounts of lowers or guns. First of all you will have to lie on the affidavit to the CC co saying the gun was returned, now the ATF knows you have the gun and the money I'll send you the link when I get home and can find it then, because ATF is now saying different. |
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Posted: 6/9/2016 2:20:23 PM EST
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I will probably shoot him an email today asking how long it would take to get a replacement, i do NOT want to go that route but that would give me a basis of what to do. This is the only rifle he had so I ASSUME he would have to order another and I do not want to wait fucking weeks for a new rifle..... IMO, asking the guy how long the wait time for a replacement will be should have been your first question after he offered an exchange. |
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Posted: 6/9/2016 2:21:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 1 in 9 is actually a better choice for most |
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Posted: 6/9/2016 2:33:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: IMO, asking the guy how long the wait time for a replacement will be should have been your first question after he offered an exchange. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I will probably shoot him an email today asking how long it would take to get a replacement, i do NOT want to go that route but that would give me a basis of what to do. This is the only rifle he had so I ASSUME he would have to order another and I do not want to wait fucking weeks for a new rifle..... IMO, asking the guy how long the wait time for a replacement will be should have been your first question after he offered an exchange. agreed, however I was pretty upfront about not wanting a replacement |
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Posted: 6/9/2016 2:47:45 PM EST
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My first thought was he switched the A4 upper for the HBar because those sumbitches are heeeavy and don't sell well, hoping you wouldn't notice. Would explain his reluctance toward taking the gun back.
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Posted: 6/9/2016 2:51:06 PM EST
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agreed, however I was pretty upfront about not wanting a replacement Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I will probably shoot him an email today asking how long it would take to get a replacement, i do NOT want to go that route but that would give me a basis of what to do. This is the only rifle he had so I ASSUME he would have to order another and I do not want to wait fucking weeks for a new rifle..... IMO, asking the guy how long the wait time for a replacement will be should have been your first question after he offered an exchange. agreed, however I was pretty upfront about not wanting a replacement 
Have you called Colt? If it is NIB it is an MFG issue. |
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Posted: 6/9/2016 3:12:55 PM EST
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Update:
They sent my FFL a return slip, he is sending it back out today. I have still not received a response to my email, so i'm hoping once it goes back i get a return credited. I'll give him a day to respond to me, then I will see what the plan is on his end. |
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Posted: 6/9/2016 4:05:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hence the reason for my "nice" email ETA: No response yet. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: If he opposes i will direct him to this thread, post the company, and change my tone Hence the reason for my "nice" email ETA: No response yet. He wanted a refund on a few AR 15 parts , like 12 bucks worth, Rguns said they would "just ship him new parts, keep the old ones no problem" He got pissed and started complaining on every gun board how rguns were crooks and bad to deal with, he even tried posting BS about them here and got shouted down. Rguns finally had enough and started posting his real life info all over the net. catus jack had fucked with so many people he started getting threatening phone calls and death threats. He called the FBI for protection LOL |
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Posted: 6/9/2016 4:08:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Have you called Colt? If it is NIB it is an MFG issue. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I will probably shoot him an email today asking how long it would take to get a replacement, i do NOT want to go that route but that would give me a basis of what to do. This is the only rifle he had so I ASSUME he would have to order another and I do not want to wait fucking weeks for a new rifle..... IMO, asking the guy how long the wait time for a replacement will be should have been your first question after he offered an exchange. agreed, however I was pretty upfront about not wanting a replacement Have you called Colt? If it is NIB it is an MFG issue. ETA I'd also check that upper and make sure it is a Colt upper |
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Posted: 6/9/2016 4:17:42 PM EST
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If he has the rife he cannot charge it back via his CC co the will ask for proof the rifle is returned, if shop owner will not take it back you cannot just ship it to him, he can refuse the shipment and then it gets sent back with no proof of delivery CC will not issue refund If he charges it back while he still has the rifle the shop owner can call ATF and report the gun stolen as the customer now has the $$ & the gun Quote HistoryQuoted:
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WTF OP? Charge back. If he wants his rifle back he'll pay to have it shipped back. If he charges it back while he still has the rifle the shop owner can call ATF and report the gun stolen as the customer now has the $$ & the gun From what I read, he doesn't have the gun, the FFL did. The one time I was in a somewhat similar situation and called my CC company, they told me not to talk to the guy anymore, and them and their legal dept took care of it from there. |
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Posted: 6/9/2016 4:19:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Update: They sent my FFL a return slip, he is sending it back out today. I have still not received a response to my email, so i'm hoping once it goes back i get a return credited. I'll give him a day to respond to me, then I will see what the plan is on his end. or a 15 or 20% restocking fee He shouldn't but he might
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Posted: 6/9/2016 4:25:31 PM EST
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Update: They sent my FFL a return slip, he is sending it back out today. I have still not received a response to my email, so i'm hoping once it goes back i get a return credited. I'll give him a day to respond to me, then I will see what the plan is on his end. You're not obligated to say shit to that guy, he knew what he was doing. I'd let the credit card company handle the rest. |
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Posted: 6/9/2016 4:29:57 PM EST
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Just take the replacement.... Shit happens.
I think you're unreasonable for not letting the seller fix it. |
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Posted: 6/9/2016 4:34:29 PM EST
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1 in 9 is actually a better choice for most Who gives a fuck if 1 in 9 is a better choice for most bullet weights. It was advertised as a 1 in 7 and that is what OP wanted. The seller overlooked a major feature of the rifle. What else is wrong with the rifle? I wouldn't want it at all after the seller misrepresented his product. I would return the rifle, file a claim with Gunbroker and get my money back. |
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Posted: 6/9/2016 5:00:00 PM EST
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Just take the replacement.... Shit happens. I think you're unreasonable for not letting the seller fix it. If I was told it was an A2 profile 1/7, and they guy was so inattentive that he sent me a HBAR 1/9, even if he wasn't guilty of swapping colt parts for cheaper ones like so many do, I wouldn't want any gun he ever touched, and I bet his personal guns have hammer marks and blurred screw slots. |
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Posted: 6/9/2016 5:26:30 PM EST
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If I was told it was an A2 profile 1/7, and they guy was so inattentive that he sent me a HBAR 1/9, even if he wasn't guilty of swapping colt parts for cheaper ones like so many do, I wouldn't want any gun he ever touched, and I bet his personal guns have hammer marks and blurred screw slots. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just take the replacement.... Shit happens. I think you're unreasonable for not letting the seller fix it. If I was told it was an A2 profile 1/7, and they guy was so inattentive that he sent me a HBAR 1/9, even if he wasn't guilty of swapping colt parts for cheaper ones like so many do, I wouldn't want any gun he ever touched, and I bet his personal guns have hammer marks and blurred screw slots. It could also be that there are so many new gun owners who buy ARs' specifically without really knowing what they are buying. The seller posts the add with the specs cut and and paste from wherever to sell the rifle to unsuspecting guy who probably does not know the difference, The twist rate is right there on the barrel. How does one fuck that up? I think the guy (the seller) set out to try dupe OP or whoever else would have bought it. |
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Posted: 6/9/2016 5:33:44 PM EST
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1 in 9 is actually a better choice for most True, my 1 in 7 has terrible accuracy with anything below 62gr. |
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Posted: 6/9/2016 5:44:54 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm aware. Which is why I said 69 and down he's fine. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Unless you are shooting over 62gr you're fine. 77smk is not going to shoot well out of 1:9. But anything else from 69gr on down will be fine. I'm aware. Which is why I said 69 and down he's fine. My 16" 1/9 even shoots 73 grain Bergers pretty well. Still doesn't make what the seller did right. Hope you get it resolved, OP. |
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Posted: 6/9/2016 5:51:28 PM EST
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It could also be that there are so many new gun owners who buy ARs' specifically without really knowing what they are buying. The seller posts the add with the specs cut and and paste from wherever to sell the rifle to unsuspecting guy who probably does not know the difference, The twist rate is right there on the barrel. How does one fuck that up? I think the guy (the seller) set out to try dupe OP or whoever else would have bought it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just take the replacement.... Shit happens. I think you're unreasonable for not letting the seller fix it. If I was told it was an A2 profile 1/7, and they guy was so inattentive that he sent me a HBAR 1/9, even if he wasn't guilty of swapping colt parts for cheaper ones like so many do, I wouldn't want any gun he ever touched, and I bet his personal guns have hammer marks and blurred screw slots. It could also be that there are so many new gun owners who buy ARs' specifically without really knowing what they are buying. The seller posts the add with the specs cut and and paste from wherever to sell the rifle to unsuspecting guy who probably does not know the difference, The twist rate is right there on the barrel. How does one fuck that up? I think the guy (the seller) set out to try dupe OP or whoever else would have bought it. Copy and paste error in listing the item, I've done it before. When you sell hundreds or thousands of items each month, it happens. Why do you think the seller is out to fuck someone over? You think a 1/9" rifle costs a penny less than a 1/7" rifle?
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Posted: 6/9/2016 5:52:27 PM EST
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I tend to be nice to people, and do not believe he is personally responsible (might be who knows). That said I understand what you are saying. What i comes down to is this. If that auction had a shipping time of two+ weeks i would have said fuck that and moved on. If that auction stated i would get a cock tease rifle, THEN i MIGHT get a correct replacement in who knows how fucking long, I would have said Fuck it. My only job was to provide him with money and an FFL. I did my part. He failed on his. I do not want a replacement regardless if it is "right", I just want my money back to start over. Being a dick up front usually does not get you what you want. Hence the "cunt" talk 
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I wrote back this: Hey XXXXXX, I appreciate the replacement offer, but to be honest man i'm not interested in that route. This particular experience has jaded me on online deals from here on out. And that is no fault of you personally by the way, but I'd rather buy one locally I can inspect before purchase. I do not want a replacement rifle at this time. If it had been a huge gouge, chips in paint, or damaged finish or the like, sure that would be acceptable. But that was not the case. I get the "As is- no returns" and agree with that 100% but I do not feel that applies here. "AS-IS, no returns" doesn't mean someone can advertise one thing and then deliver another. Then once a complaint is made, ship you another and you just have to eat it. I'm not trying to come off as rude or an asshole here. Quite the contrary. But at this point I just want a return, mutual positive feedback, and to go are ways, with the potential for me to be a return customer in the future. I do NOT want to have to involve my Credit Card company, internet, etc etc. Nor do I think you deserve that either. It would be much easier for both of us if you could just issue a return and shipping label to my FFL. Please let me know. -Az Too much wishy washy BS. Just get straight to the point. The only thing that you have to explain to him is that the item you got is not what you bought. He can either send you the correct rifle or your money. Either way you aren't accepting the one he shipped. That's it, end of story. If you are trying to weasel out of allowing him sending you the correct rifle then you are in the wrong, not him. He would be within his rights try to correct the error in a timely manner and fulfill the terms of the auction. All this bullshit about how you are jaded and want to call the whole thing off is cunt talk. Don't be that guy. That doesn't mean you have to accept the wrong rifle or wait a month for him to make it right with the correct rifle. I tend to be nice to people, and do not believe he is personally responsible (might be who knows). That said I understand what you are saying. What i comes down to is this. If that auction had a shipping time of two+ weeks i would have said fuck that and moved on. If that auction stated i would get a cock tease rifle, THEN i MIGHT get a correct replacement in who knows how fucking long, I would have said Fuck it. My only job was to provide him with money and an FFL. I did my part. He failed on his. I do not want a replacement regardless if it is "right", I just want my money back to start over. Being a dick up front usually does not get you what you want. Hence the "cunt" talk
I guess you are misunderstanding me a bit. I'm not saying you have to deliver the message to him in a prickish way. I'm just saying that you need to leave the extraneous stuff out and get to the point. He will respect you more if you just stick to business and there will be less hurt feels. The narrative that you are jaded on online deals and just want out would aggravate most people, not make them feel better about returning your money. |
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Posted: 6/9/2016 5:58:45 PM EST
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Copy and paste error in listing the item, I've done it before. When you sell hundreds or thousands of items each month, it happens. Why do you think the seller is out to fuck someone over? You think a 1/9" rifle costs a penny less than a 1/7" rifle? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just take the replacement.... Shit happens. I think you're unreasonable for not letting the seller fix it. If I was told it was an A2 profile 1/7, and they guy was so inattentive that he sent me a HBAR 1/9, even if he wasn't guilty of swapping colt parts for cheaper ones like so many do, I wouldn't want any gun he ever touched, and I bet his personal guns have hammer marks and blurred screw slots. It could also be that there are so many new gun owners who buy ARs' specifically without really knowing what they are buying. The seller posts the add with the specs cut and and paste from wherever to sell the rifle to unsuspecting guy who probably does not know the difference, The twist rate is right there on the barrel. How does one fuck that up? I think the guy (the seller) set out to try dupe OP or whoever else would have bought it. Copy and paste error in listing the item, I've done it before. When you sell hundreds or thousands of items each month, it happens. Why do you think the seller is out to fuck someone over? You think a 1/9" rifle costs a penny less than a 1/7" rifle? It isn't about the just the twist rate or barrel profile, it is about the seller posting the exact product to a seller as advertised exactly. If the seller wasn't trying to dupe anyone that seller is an idiot. I cannot fathom how the seller could possibly mistake a HBAR barrel for a gov barrel. |
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Posted: 6/9/2016 6:11:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I guess you are misunderstanding me a bit. I'm not saying you have to deliver the message to him in a prickish way. I'm just saying that you need to leave the extraneous stuff out and get to the point. He will respect you more if you just stick to business and there will be less hurt feels. The narrative that you are jaded on online deals and just want out would aggravate most people, not make them feel better about returning your money. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I wrote back this: Hey XXXXXX, I appreciate the replacement offer, but to be honest man i'm not interested in that route. This particular experience has jaded me on online deals from here on out. And that is no fault of you personally by the way, but I'd rather buy one locally I can inspect before purchase. I do not want a replacement rifle at this time. If it had been a huge gouge, chips in paint, or damaged finish or the like, sure that would be acceptable. But that was not the case. I get the "As is- no returns" and agree with that 100% but I do not feel that applies here. "AS-IS, no returns" doesn't mean someone can advertise one thing and then deliver another. Then once a complaint is made, ship you another and you just have to eat it. I'm not trying to come off as rude or an asshole here. Quite the contrary. But at this point I just want a return, mutual positive feedback, and to go are ways, with the potential for me to be a return customer in the future. I do NOT want to have to involve my Credit Card company, internet, etc etc. Nor do I think you deserve that either. It would be much easier for both of us if you could just issue a return and shipping label to my FFL. Please let me know. -Az Too much wishy washy BS. Just get straight to the point. The only thing that you have to explain to him is that the item you got is not what you bought. He can either send you the correct rifle or your money. Either way you aren't accepting the one he shipped. That's it, end of story. If you are trying to weasel out of allowing him sending you the correct rifle then you are in the wrong, not him. He would be within his rights try to correct the error in a timely manner and fulfill the terms of the auction. All this bullshit about how you are jaded and want to call the whole thing off is cunt talk. Don't be that guy. That doesn't mean you have to accept the wrong rifle or wait a month for him to make it right with the correct rifle. I tend to be nice to people, and do not believe he is personally responsible (might be who knows). That said I understand what you are saying. What i comes down to is this. If that auction had a shipping time of two+ weeks i would have said fuck that and moved on. If that auction stated i would get a cock tease rifle, THEN i MIGHT get a correct replacement in who knows how fucking long, I would have said Fuck it. My only job was to provide him with money and an FFL. I did my part. He failed on his. I do not want a replacement regardless if it is "right", I just want my money back to start over. Being a dick up front usually does not get you what you want. Hence the "cunt" talk I guess you are misunderstanding me a bit. I'm not saying you have to deliver the message to him in a prickish way. I'm just saying that you need to leave the extraneous stuff out and get to the point. He will respect you more if you just stick to business and there will be less hurt feels. The narrative that you are jaded on online deals and just want out would aggravate most people, not make them feel better about returning your money. very true, mistakes were made |
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Posted: 6/9/2016 6:11:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Copy and paste error in listing the item, I've done it before. When you sell hundreds or thousands of items each month, it happens. Why do you think the seller is out to fuck someone over? You think a 1/9" rifle costs a penny less than a 1/7" rifle? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Just take the replacement.... Shit happens. I think you're unreasonable for not letting the seller fix it. If I was told it was an A2 profile 1/7, and they guy was so inattentive that he sent me a HBAR 1/9, even if he wasn't guilty of swapping colt parts for cheaper ones like so many do, I wouldn't want any gun he ever touched, and I bet his personal guns have hammer marks and blurred screw slots. It could also be that there are so many new gun owners who buy ARs' specifically without really knowing what they are buying. The seller posts the add with the specs cut and and paste from wherever to sell the rifle to unsuspecting guy who probably does not know the difference, The twist rate is right there on the barrel. How does one fuck that up? I think the guy (the seller) set out to try dupe OP or whoever else would have bought it. Copy and paste error in listing the item, I've done it before. When you sell hundreds or thousands of items each month, it happens. Why do you think the seller is out to fuck someone over? You think a 1/9" rifle costs a penny less than a 1/7" rifle? Yes, but that model never has, and never will come with a 1:9 HBAR.....somewhere, somehow, by someone, it was switched. |
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Posted: 6/9/2016 6:24:19 PM EST
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Just take the replacement.... Shit happens. I think you're unreasonable for not letting the seller fix it. If I was told it was an A2 profile 1/7, and they guy was so inattentive that he sent me a HBAR 1/9, even if he wasn't guilty of swapping colt parts for cheaper ones like so many do, I wouldn't want any gun he ever touched, and I bet his personal guns have hammer marks and blurred screw slots. It could also be that there are so many new gun owners who buy ARs' specifically without really knowing what they are buying. The seller posts the add with the specs cut and and paste from wherever to sell the rifle to unsuspecting guy who probably does not know the difference, The twist rate is right there on the barrel. How does one fuck that up? I think the guy (the seller) set out to try dupe OP or whoever else would have bought it. Copy and paste error in listing the item, I've done it before. When you sell hundreds or thousands of items each month, it happens. Why do you think the seller is out to fuck someone over? You think a 1/9" rifle costs a penny less than a 1/7" rifle? Yes, but that model never has, and never will come with a 1:9 HBAR.....somewhere, somehow, by someone, it was switched. Ah, interesting. |
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Posted: 6/9/2016 6:26:44 PM EST
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Posted: 6/9/2016 6:37:21 PM EST
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It could also be that there are so many new gun owners who buy ARs' specifically without really knowing what they are buying. The seller posts the add with the specs cut and and paste from wherever to sell the rifle to unsuspecting guy who probably does not know the difference, The twist rate is right there on the barrel. How does one fuck that up? I think the guy (the seller) set out to try dupe OP or whoever else would have bought it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just take the replacement.... Shit happens. I think you're unreasonable for not letting the seller fix it. If I was told it was an A2 profile 1/7, and they guy was so inattentive that he sent me a HBAR 1/9, even if he wasn't guilty of swapping colt parts for cheaper ones like so many do, I wouldn't want any gun he ever touched, and I bet his personal guns have hammer marks and blurred screw slots. It could also be that there are so many new gun owners who buy ARs' specifically without really knowing what they are buying. The seller posts the add with the specs cut and and paste from wherever to sell the rifle to unsuspecting guy who probably does not know the difference, The twist rate is right there on the barrel. How does one fuck that up? I think the guy (the seller) set out to try dupe OP or whoever else would have bought it. Perhaps, but I can't claim the dealer did it, because I don't know for sure.. I can say that if he shipped something other than what he advertised, he's a dumbass, especially considering the dumbfuck bullshit conditions he tries to put in place. |
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Posted: 6/9/2016 6:39:17 PM EST
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Posted: 6/9/2016 6:41:22 PM EST
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Posted: 6/11/2016 2:47:40 PM EST
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Update: So my FFL shipped the rifle back with his shipping label he sent the FFL the following morning of my "cunt talk" email lol. Should I have received a refund by now or is he waiting until he receives the rifle? I never took possession so I'm not sure what the delay would be.
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Posted: 6/11/2016 4:42:38 PM EST
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1 in 9 is actually a better choice for most Sorry, but no. That silliness needs to be buried already. There is no advantage to the 1/9 unless you intend to shoot varmint projectiles less than 55gr. Nobody is buying this sort of rifle to shoot 45gr varmint loads, nor are they going to want the ability to do so at the expense of limiting their choice of heavier projectiles. Some 1/9 barrels will shoot 75-77gr fine, some won't. The seller can't really fall back on "as is" if the ad doesn't actually describe it as it is. |
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Posted: 6/11/2016 7:54:16 PM EST
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Posted: 6/11/2016 8:02:15 PM EST
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Update: So my FFL shipped the rifle back with his shipping label he sent the FFL the following morning of my "cunt talk" email lol. Should I have received a refund by now or is he waiting until he receives the rifle? I never took possession so I'm not sure what the delay would be. IIRC, the standard is 20 minutes.
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Posted: 6/15/2016 4:07:12 PM EST
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Update 3: Rifle on it's way back, I contacted the guy again, he said he had contacted gunbroker, and would inspect the rifle first to make sure it does not match the description, and then issue a refund.
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Posted: 6/15/2016 10:25:25 PM EST
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Posted: 6/15/2016 11:33:00 PM EST
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Posted: 6/22/2016 3:10:32 PM EST
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Update 6/22: Spoke with guy they got the rifle, and are issuing me a "check" for a refund, although he didn't ask for my address....
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Posted: 6/22/2016 3:26:33 PM EST
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Posted: 6/22/2016 3:26:57 PM EST
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Update 6/22: Spoke with guy they got the rifle, and are issuing me a "check" for a refund, although he didn't ask for my address.... FUCK.....how the hell do you know you're getting a check? Refund the fucking credit card....is what you should have told him. Call the CC company yourself and reverse the charges on that mother fucker.....RFN! |
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