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Posted: 1/12/2024 11:53:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s for egress. Those small birds would never be able to lift a manhole. C'mon! |
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Posted: 1/12/2024 12:09:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It makes sense that it could be for re-drilling a well from topside back yard in the future. The yard of the house is massive for the town, 1.2 acres when most lots are 0.1 acre. There is another concrete well vault out near the street (rectangular, with a rectangular steel hinged door that swings up) which has a wooden ladder down with a tank of some sort. At first I thought it might belong to the city but it definitely does not, I checked. There are three or four water faucets located around the periphery of the front lawn. The house itself is on city water and sewer but it was on the very edge of town when built in 1946. It is now near the middle of town. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I’m guessing the cover is directly over the well head? It’s so the well can be pulled to service the down pipe, check valves, wire, impellers and/ or motor. The truck would be topside, droppind the cable and elevators down through the hole. One dude would be in the yard stacking the pipe off to the side, and one dude down in the well room setting the elevators and coiling the wire. Depending on how deep your well is, of course. If it’s a shallow well with flexible pipe, it would be different It makes sense that it could be for re-drilling a well from topside back yard in the future. The yard of the house is massive for the town, 1.2 acres when most lots are 0.1 acre. There is another concrete well vault out near the street (rectangular, with a rectangular steel hinged door that swings up) which has a wooden ladder down with a tank of some sort. At first I thought it might belong to the city but it definitely does not, I checked. There are three or four water faucets located around the periphery of the front lawn. The house itself is on city water and sewer but it was on the very edge of town when built in 1946. It is now near the middle of town. Not for drilling, the crane for lifting the well pipe is mounted to the truck. Kharn |
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Posted: 1/12/2024 12:36:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is there any provision for ventilation? Be careful, because you may have a confined space with an atmosphere that may or may not be safe to breathe at different times. Is it dry? Does it look like it ever collects water? What kind of door do you have from the basement? Based entirely on your OP, it sounds very strange. Possibly a DIY “fallout” shelter. When was the house built? I think the air in the well chamber is a mix of my basement air plus whatever leaks around the manhole edge. It is about 10 feet from the basement HVAC and I could heat and cool it if I wanted but the ceiling of the chamber is uninsulated and concrete walls are bare. |
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Posted: 1/12/2024 12:39:43 PM EDT
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Is Radon an issue by you? Without ventilation that could be a big problem.
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Posted: 1/12/2024 1:05:13 PM EDT
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Average manhole cover is 100 lbs flat surface my guess is storm shelter.... could be repurposed into a safe room if you disguise or build out inner door. Kinda cool... waiting for pics (from inside?)
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Posted: 1/12/2024 1:39:15 PM EDT
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Be careful.......
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Posted: 1/12/2024 1:50:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryAnd the disturbing lack of pictures continues. 
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Posted: 1/12/2024 1:55:17 PM EDT
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It's so that you can invite people over for imitation crab meat and trains in the basement discreetly. I'll pass on the invitation OP, no judgment.
Quote HistoryQuoted: Who cares that sounds awesome ...and also this. |
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Posted: 1/12/2024 4:08:59 PM EDT
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How long is the hall way from the basement to the room? How wide is the hall?
For a shelter, tornado or safe room I would be adding a hidden steel door and working to have a nice safe room for the family I wish I had found some thing this good to start with |
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Posted: 1/12/2024 4:18:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How long is the hall way from the basement to the room? How wide is the hall? For a shelter, tornado or safe room I would be adding a hidden steel door and working to have a nice safe room for the family I wish I had found some thing this good to start with If I was trying to make a tornado safe room there are several basement rooms which are GTG already. If i were trying to keep out people I would harden the exterior and interior basement doors and maybe some basement windows. There are a few rooms in basement that are very secure such as the safe room and concrete cedar closet. The best thing this room would have going for it is hide-ability as I could conceal the door from basement and probably the manhole cover as well. It would need a lift assist and maybe even a popup elevator to use as emergency egress. If some poor bastard were trying to breach the rear door to the exterior basement stairs, a popup turret at the manhole would be a rude surprise. |
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Posted: 1/12/2024 4:22:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ideal tornado shelter. With two exits. |
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Posted: 1/12/2024 4:26:03 PM EDT
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No shit, I have one in my side "yard" about 100yds from the house. I was hoping it was to an unused cistern. Unfortunately, it was just some kind of exceptionally deep (18feet down) communal septic clean out for the failed subdivision.
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Posted: 1/12/2024 4:28:55 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/12/2024 4:49:44 PM EDT
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Quoted: Which opens up into a 6'x6' poured concrete wellhouse room connected to the basement with a nice door. My question: If a person can easily and safely access this space from the basement, why does it need a manhole from surface? I may reenact some ninja turtle stuff but other than that, seems a bit odd. |
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Posted: 1/12/2024 4:56:53 PM EDT
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Build a 12x12 Shed over it, with a removable roof and a floor hatch.
This way, 1. If you still need to access the well, you can. 2. Your hatch to the secret lair is more hidden. Is the only thing in said concrete room the Pump head access and maybe the pressure tank? Any pics of the room and door from in the well room and up at the manhole cover? (unless I missed them) sounds interesting. |
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Posted: 1/12/2024 4:58:29 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/12/2024 5:03:12 PM EDT
[#17]
Turtles in a half-shell…
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Posted: 1/12/2024 5:08:34 PM EDT
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Remove the manhole cover, reseat it about 6" down, cover it with dirt and let the grass grow. Turn the basement area into a hardened saferoom, harden the interior door, and you then have a one-way emergency exit from the house and saferoom.
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Posted: 1/12/2024 5:09:32 PM EDT
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Did it come with tunnel Jews?
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Posted: 1/12/2024 5:10:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Build a 12x12 Shed over it, with a removable roof and a floor hatch. This way, 1. If you still need to access the well, you can. 2. Your hatch to the secret lair is more hidden. Is the only thing in said concrete room the Pump head access and maybe the pressure tank? Any pics of the room and door from in the well room and up at the manhole cover? (unless I missed them) sounds interesting. A shed over the top of it is a no go since that would block a back door from the kitchen and block a view from a rear window. |
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Posted: 1/12/2024 5:12:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Remove the manhole cover, reseat it about 6" down, cover it with dirt and let the grass grow. Turn the basement area into a hardened saferoom, harden the interior door, and you then have a one-way emergency exit from the house and saferoom. Area around the manhole is currently 3” or 4” thick limestone paver. I think a doormat would be the way to hide it if that was the goal. |
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Posted: 1/12/2024 5:19:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Old coal room maybe for the coal furnace? This would be my guess. |
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Posted: 1/12/2024 5:20:41 PM EDT
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Id work out some way to latch the manhole cover from the inside and also a gasket of some kind to keep weather out.
Something like this Then just sod over the top of it. |
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Posted: 1/12/2024 5:28:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This would be my guess. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Old coal room maybe for the coal furnace? This would be my guess. I think the original boiler was natty gas, no sign of any coal. There is an impressive concrete riser pad in the floor of the utility room where the old boiler went. The new furnace is now on the other end of that room. |
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Posted: 1/12/2024 6:01:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So they can pull the pipe if they need to replace it. [or the foot valve] I take it you have a shallow well? This. |
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Posted: 1/12/2024 6:09:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OSHA was involved somehow. For exit routes, OSHA requires that at least two exit routes must be available in a workplace to permit prompt evacuation of employees and other building occupants during an emergency 2. Where two exits, exit access doorways, exit access stairways or ramps, or any combination thereof, are required from any portion of the exit access, they shall be placed a distance apart equal to not less than one-half of the length of the maximum overall diagonal dimension of the building or area to be served measured in a straight line between them 3. or the over read the regulation. I've worked in a lot of pump pits where I was dead meat if things went sour This. Likely egress issue. |
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Posted: 1/12/2024 6:10:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: House was architected in 1941 and finished in 1946. I think they had a bureau of mines and child labor but no OSHA. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: OSHA was involved somehow. For exit routes, OSHA requires that at least two exit routes must be available in a workplace to permit prompt evacuation of employees and other building occupants during an emergency 2. Where two exits, exit access doorways, exit access stairways or ramps, or any combination thereof, are required from any portion of the exit access, they shall be placed a distance apart equal to not less than one-half of the length of the maximum overall diagonal dimension of the building or area to be served measured in a straight line between them 3. or the over read the regulation. I've worked in a lot of pump pits where I was dead meat if things went sour House was architected in 1941 and finished in 1946. I think they had a bureau of mines and child labor but no OSHA. Ok, nevermind. |
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Posted: 1/12/2024 6:26:33 PM EDT
[#28]
You know the thing you are typing on probably has a camera OP?
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Posted: 1/12/2024 7:37:47 PM EDT
[#29]
We’re the sellers Jewish? Or Palestinian?
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Posted: 1/12/2024 8:28:19 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You know the thing you are typing on probably has a camera OP? I haven’t moved in to the new place yet. I will snap some indoor pictures the next time I am over there. The outdoor manhole cover is under a snowdrift and the high is below 5F all week. |
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Posted: 1/12/2024 8:30:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We’re the sellers Jewish? Or Palestinian? It has been owned by three german families since 1941. No known tunnelers, chuds, molemen, viet cong, or welsh miners. |
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Posted: 1/12/2024 8:32:04 PM EDT
[#32]
Can you remove the manhole cover and put a fake tree stump in its place like on Hogan's Hreos?
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Posted: 1/12/2024 8:32:18 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not for drilling, the crane for lifting the well pipe is mounted to the truck. Kharn Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I’m guessing the cover is directly over the well head? It’s so the well can be pulled to service the down pipe, check valves, wire, impellers and/ or motor. The truck would be topside, droppind the cable and elevators down through the hole. One dude would be in the yard stacking the pipe off to the side, and one dude down in the well room setting the elevators and coiling the wire. Depending on how deep your well is, of course. If it’s a shallow well with flexible pipe, it would be different It makes sense that it could be for re-drilling a well from topside back yard in the future. The yard of the house is massive for the town, 1.2 acres when most lots are 0.1 acre. There is another concrete well vault out near the street (rectangular, with a rectangular steel hinged door that swings up) which has a wooden ladder down with a tank of some sort. At first I thought it might belong to the city but it definitely does not, I checked. There are three or four water faucets located around the periphery of the front lawn. The house itself is on city water and sewer but it was on the very edge of town when built in 1946. It is now near the middle of town. Not for drilling, the crane for lifting the well pipe is mounted to the truck. Kharn 6' x 6" is a bit large for a well pit but I'm thinking that was the original purpose. OP said he has city water but that may not have been the case when the house was built. OP has not said if there was any evidence of a well in the "bunker" but many municipalities require that wells be abandoned when city water is provided. |
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Posted: 1/12/2024 8:39:22 PM EDT
[#34]
Sounds like you bought a serial killers.
 Enjoy your future SWAT raid |
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Posted: 1/12/2024 9:08:14 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It has been owned by three german families since 1941. No known tunnelers, chuds, molemen, viet cong, or welsh miners. |
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Posted: 1/12/2024 9:51:16 PM EDT
[#36]
4 fukn pages and still no pics.
Troll thread. |
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Posted: 1/12/2024 9:58:01 PM EDT
[#37]
Great name for a bar.
At any rate, I’d replace it with a multi-lock hydraulic hatch. One of those with a hand pump that will lift a shit ton of weight. |
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Posted: 1/12/2024 10:02:43 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 4 fukn pages and still no pics. Troll thread. Still on the first page if you're setup like a normal person. |
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Posted: 1/12/2024 11:17:31 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 6' x 6" is a bit large for a well pit but I'm thinking that was the original purpose. OP said he has city water but that may not have been the case when the house was built. OP has not said if there was any evidence of a well in the "bunker" but many municipalities require that wells be abandoned when city water is provided. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I’m guessing the cover is directly over the well head? It’s so the well can be pulled to service the down pipe, check valves, wire, impellers and/ or motor. The truck would be topside, droppind the cable and elevators down through the hole. One dude would be in the yard stacking the pipe off to the side, and one dude down in the well room setting the elevators and coiling the wire. Depending on how deep your well is, of course. If it’s a shallow well with flexible pipe, it would be different It makes sense that it could be for re-drilling a well from topside back yard in the future. The yard of the house is massive for the town, 1.2 acres when most lots are 0.1 acre. There is another concrete well vault out near the street (rectangular, with a rectangular steel hinged door that swings up) which has a wooden ladder down with a tank of some sort. At first I thought it might belong to the city but it definitely does not, I checked. There are three or four water faucets located around the periphery of the front lawn. The house itself is on city water and sewer but it was on the very edge of town when built in 1946. It is now near the middle of town. Not for drilling, the crane for lifting the well pipe is mounted to the truck. Kharn 6' x 6" is a bit large for a well pit but I'm thinking that was the original purpose. OP said he has city water but that may not have been the case when the house was built. OP has not said if there was any evidence of a well in the "bunker" but many municipalities require that wells be abandoned when city water is provided. Unbelievably, i now have the answer to this question, assuming the 1941-dated blueprints (drafted for first owner) match what was built in 1946 and it does look like a match. I will post photos and prints when i figure out imgbb again. |
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Posted: 1/12/2024 11:23:39 PM EDT
[#40]
My house has the same thing. It was a coal room and the manhole cover is where they dumped the coal through.
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Posted: 1/12/2024 11:25:42 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It gives you a way out of the basement if the house has collapsed. Put some sort of a hidden/bookshelf door and you have the ultimate bunker. |
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Posted: 1/12/2024 11:26:39 PM EDT
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Here is a print.
It looks like 5’x5’ with 8” walls. Labelled “Pump Rm” and “to well by owner”  Annotation on same print shows that you could, in 1941, switch between city and well (so it was likely built with city water and the well) 
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Posted: 1/12/2024 11:28:36 PM EDT
[#43]
good root cellar
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Posted: 1/12/2024 11:30:02 PM EDT
[#44]
So you can get out when the house collapses while you’re in your storm shelter.
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Posted: 1/12/2024 11:30:17 PM EDT
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Is that a staircase to the right of the manhole room? If it is, looks like some good dead space there.
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Posted: 1/12/2024 11:33:29 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is that a staircase to the right of the manhole room? If it is, looks like some good dead space there. That staircase is solid concrete as is the wall, so it would be a lot of work to make “space” there. |
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Posted: 1/12/2024 11:35:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is a backyard staircase entrance that goes directly down to the basement. Also, what good is escaping from a zombie just to flee into a C.H.U.D. lair? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Because of the zombies attacking while you're in the yard and need to escape to safety There is a backyard staircase entrance that goes directly down to the basement. Also, what good is escaping from a zombie just to flee into a C.H.U.D. lair? 
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Posted: 1/12/2024 11:36:57 PM EDT
[#48]
Concrete staircase next to pump room:
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Posted: 1/12/2024 11:42:27 PM EDT
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Pump room with view to underside of manhole cover:
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Posted: 1/12/2024 11:45:49 PM EDT
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Well head, pump (i think), and pressure tank (i think)
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