When we could not carry them anymore, I gave mine to my SIL's hubby.
I should be slapped for doing that.

@Tommy2399

that aint a bottle opener


that little doodad can legit deploy the blade from your pocket as quick as you can blink.

The issue with sap gloves is that if you straighten your fingers, they fall off.

Seriously, they tend to not fit into trigger guards easily.

Wrist strap?  You are right but if/when I find mine, I'm sewing on a velcro wrist strap to keep them on.

I have one. At my best friends wedding I smacked the fuck out of his MMA fighter brother with it just fucking around. Lets just say it works as advertised.  Better than you might think.  Also a good way to keep $10 worth of quarters on you.

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Emperor of the North Pole..

475 dimes is gonna fuck some shit up.  

Probably the reason my grandfather walked funny. Left home at a young age to find work & rode the rails.

those look poorly made, my grandfather carried a slap jack similar to the picture previously posted in this thread.

I carried a sap for several years.  I never got to use it but I have seen them used.  Those who were on the receiving end knew what was going to happen when they came out of the pocket and it usually changed their attitude.  Something like when the tazer comes out of the holsters. Only fools take it to the next level.  

The good thing (for the officer) was, when you are getting sapped, your hands are too busy covering your face and head to grab a gun or try to drive off.  It's called a street education.
kwg

Can anyone give a good rundown of current Ohio laws?

Truth !

I had a pair back when I was shall we say younger …  

And yes they do work quite well !!
I carried a pair in my back pocket of my jeans back in the days of my youth !

I carried a sap as a young patrol officer. Used it a handful of times in lieu of a baton. Same rules and training as a baton. Not great, not terrible.

ETA: should have just used a Pterodactyl femur instead
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A retired guy I know said they carried saps in the late 80s early 90s and they would carve their badge number into the leather. He said that way in a big bar fight they knew who they were arresting after the fight was done, you didn't want to have to write someone else's arrest report.

Ah the good ol' day of policing, eh?  Where if they thought you were guilty of something they made damn sure you'd confess to it, whether you actually did it or not.  No body cams and no cameras in the interview rooms to help protect people from Johnny law

It is ironic that so many complain about police brutality now when, in fact, the golden era of police brutality and malice, corrupt DA's, judges and rampant racism was the time before cameras and phones were so prevalent.

I believe it's useful today to trip up stupid criminals.

The amount of retard in that post is beyond belief.

And yet, thanks to bodycams we get fresh examples of police brutality every day to bitch about.

I'm sure they've already been mentioned, but rolls of nickels or quarters, taped up so the coins don't get lost of course, and a thick gym sock used to be somewhat common. Carry them in different pockets. You can load your fist with the coin roll or drop it into the sock for an improvised sap.

Texas legal.


I slapped a guy in the temple, breaking up a bar fight with a 2 oz sap. Dropped like a sack of potatoes

that was a really good movie. Lee Marvin rocked the hobo part.

anyone got a link to the good ones, the ones I'm finding are all cheaply made on etsy and ebay.

@Old_Painless

Come to think about it, in the department where I grew up a couple officers had a reputation of being hard on kids but never did I get reports of any real brutality of any sort.

Over the years there'd be a rare case where the perp wanted to fight. The would do what they had to do to take him down but when the perp was down it was game over. No serious game of catch-up, at least that I heard of.

Later when I left home and was wandering here and there I would get (somewhat) credible reports to steer clear of such and such a place because the cops (usually rural county deputies) were pretty handy with he hickory but while rumors abounded there were only a few places that there was any serious credibility to the stories.

Big cities (which I generally avoided) were a case of YMMV. Philly had a well deserved reputation for being generous with the hickory. NYC? Dependent on the precinct according to fairly reputable sources at the time.

I was cutting across town on foot and was about maybe a block away from a student anti-Vietnam rally which I was NOT a part of and for no reason other then maybe looking like a student of some sort got a sledge hammer handle across the back of my thighs once by a pig headed Boston Irish cop. I did hear his partner angrily tell him if he did that again he'd wind up walking a beat in Roxbury.

Still, looking back on it I can see there was a lot less brutality than some people think looking at the Big Picture. Actually that sort of thing ends up being a leadership problem because if leadership won't tolerate it then it seldom happens.

One interesting thing to note is the time I was wandering through an area with a terrible reputation. I met a farmer and asked if he had a couple of days work. He did. I worked for a few days and he was fairly generous AND his wife was a damned good cook. AND gave me a haircut AND washed my clothes!

After a few days I left and was not a mile down the road with my thumb out and a deputy sheriff stopped and started in on me telling me the county didn't like bums hanging out.

I said I had just finished working for so and so and was leaving town headed to wherever.

"You worked for so and so?" Hop in!" Not only did the deputy take me well over the county line but gave me the brown bag lunch his wife had made for him saying he wanted the meat loaf special at the local diner instead.

Now here's the part that floored me. In casual conversation he told me that passing through hippies quite often got roughed up to keep the riff-raff and troublemakers out.

Did it exist? Yeah, in places but it was pretty rare.

I KNOW the CLEO in your department didn't tolerate any of that kind of crap.

I sometimes think there should be a decrepit old man exemption for carrying these "less-lethal" options.

I got a 14 ounce sap from J&L Self defense products, just came in. Surprisingly nice for under $21.  Leatherwork is clean and tight.  

https://www.selfdefenseproducts.com/police-supplies/impact-weapons/

"I have a sore ankle and need my cane"

Heavy canes

It's if I'm outside in the garage or if I decide to take two shots of bourbon and take a leisurely walk. If I'm soused, I stay indoors.

Mine are just everyday useful items




My custom coin sap is a brute.  I can carry 10 dollars in quarters...I like vending machine snacks officer!

Improvised saps can be as simple as a bandana with a corner pocket sewn in.

Best defensive tools I've trained with are the unbreakable umbrellas. The collapsible one is really only for international carry; the full size is a legit weapon.

Can't comment on brass knuckles.

Auto knives? Their illegality was solely manufactured from movies. I'm ambivalent about them and I own several. I started with the original Benchmade AFO in the mid 90's when I was a paratrooper. It was cool, but nothing special. I still have it and it still works.  I like OTFs, but only for a very niche, backup knife option. A quality auto will last with minimal maintenance, but even the cheaper Lightening  autos are as fun as hell and can take a beating (literally, pounded through a hardwood door without anything but cosmetic damage).



Autos are nice, but for a folder you want out and deployed fast, nothing beats the Emerson Wave or variations, nothing. I've carried folders for duty over 30 years and recently (2020) in Afghanistan as an Advisor. For the purpose of one hand, fast opening, no auto is even close.



ROCK6

Back in the day you could really get tightened up in Texas. It was all the rage for cops to carry saps and black jacks all the way up until the early 90s.  

I have seen a few being carried from time to time, but nothing like the old days.

I prefer a black jack over a sap, better striking ability and energy transfer.

And they are hot as hell to wear in the summertime.

You are correct Sir about the amount of retardation in his/her/it statement.
All I know criminals back then where a whole lot less mouthy because they knew mostly to keep their mouth shut.

Don't be a sap, Mean Jeans coin purses are only coin purses for saps; they're COIN SAPS

Mine is actually from Mean Jean's and it's tough as snot built. While you can overload it with coins, it can be bulky, but if kept minimal, it's a great way to carry coins since I hate loose change in my pockets.

None of these should be classified as weapons. They're all basically less-than-lethal compliance tools for self-defense

ROCK6

my grandpa was a cop in NYC back in the day, had an issues sap and hickory. he was called to help with a riot (aggressive union march I believe) and the leader would make anti-irish remarks every time he walked by my grandpa in his dress blues. So GP slips a sap into his gloves, and the guy walks by and spit on him. one open handed smack dropped him "like a bag of wet shit" and the others in the group got the message.

he'd always tell that story with a hell of a wry smile. miss him

Stumbled across these the other day. "Emergency window breaker with a carbide insert" marketed as the "Glass Jaw"

https://f5mfg.com/product/glass-jaw/

F5’s latest addition to everyday use products, the Glass Jaw. Developed to be carried in the edge of a pocket, for rapid access. The CGB is made from 6061 T6 billet Aluminum, and CNC machined with ergonomics in mind as well as a sleek profile. To ensure maximum energy transfer and a hard glass breaking element, a 3” Tungsten Carbide rod is embedded in the strike face. Keep this emergency tool in your pocket, enabling one-hit glass breaking for emergency personnel and civilians alike.

Available in:

Black
Gold
FDE
White Cerakote

Manufacturers pic files are clearly labeled "/uploads/2021/08/brass_knuckles_web_5-1500x1125.jpeg" ...

I have a police issue blackjack,Brass knuckles and a switchblade. All given to me by my father. The blackjack was department issued, the switchblade was found next to a man that he arrested. Interestingly the switchblade is made by schrade and and not junk Attached File