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Posted: 4/26/2022 12:41:13 PM EDT
 Smyth Busters: Does the AR-15 REALLY Need a Forward Assist?   
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Posted: 4/26/2022 12:43:27 PM EDT
[#1]
It’s just one more thing to break.
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Posted: 4/26/2022 12:46:54 PM EDT
[#2]
I was on the shelf about this op, until you showed me this one quick trick, now I can save the grams!
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Posted: 4/26/2022 12:48:10 PM EDT
[#3]
Turns a simple jam into an armorer's problem.
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Posted: 4/26/2022 12:48:39 PM EDT
[#4]
Better to have it and not need it...
But there's always a work around. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 12:50:10 PM EDT
[#5]
Kyle Rittenhouse says differently.
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Posted: 4/26/2022 12:50:58 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Turns a simple jam into an armorer's problem. 
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Posted: 4/26/2022 12:52:01 PM EDT
[#7]
Put your thumb there after a mag dump or three.
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Posted: 4/26/2022 12:52:18 PM EDT
[#8]
I used to like the forward assist until I got into suppressors.
I tried doing some left hand shooting and drills and that thing just functions as an exhaust pointed directly at your face. Blowback coming from the chamber itself is bad enough. Figure I’d rather just rack the action or use my thumb as an assist, rather than force a bad round into the chamber or force a round into a chamber full of debris. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 12:53:41 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Put your thumb there after a mag dump or three. Too bad there’s not something you can wear on your hand that protects it from things like heat. Oh wait, people start accusing you of being a flat-range LARPer if you wear those… 
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Posted: 4/26/2022 12:53:50 PM EDT
[#10]
Take training.
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Posted: 4/26/2022 12:54:05 PM EDT
[#11]
My first "non forward assist" so far I don't miss it. All my serious rifles have FA's tho.
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Posted: 4/26/2022 12:54:13 PM EDT
[#12]
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Posted: 4/26/2022 12:54:49 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Kyle Rittenhouse says differently. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 12:54:50 PM EDT
[#14]
Has come in handy for me at times.
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Posted: 4/26/2022 12:56:40 PM EDT
[#15]
I'd rather have it and not need it. I think I've used one a couple of times.
And I don't see how it being there could have any negatives. Maybe an ounce more weight, but I don't care about that. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 12:56:43 PM EDT
[#16]
You mean the Malfunction Enhancement Button?
PRESS HERE TO FUCK YOUR SHIT |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 12:59:13 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You mean the Malfunction Enhancement Button? PRESS HERE TO FUCK YOUR SHIT I see this trope being pushed more and more... please expound. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 12:59:28 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Too bad there’s not something you can wear on your hand that protects it from things like heat. Oh wait, people start accusing you of being a flat-range LARPer if you wear those… No its too bad there isnt a fucking lever there that can take care of it even when its hot or cold if I have gloves or don’t. I cant help some of you are such water brains you’ll hammer a double feed like some retarded monkey in sideshow circus. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 1:01:32 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/26/2022 1:01:44 PM EDT
[#20]
"to you"
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Posted: 4/26/2022 1:02:06 PM EDT
[#21]
Is there a more 9mm vs 45 topic than a forward assist vs a slick side ?
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Posted: 4/26/2022 1:02:10 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Kyle Rittenhouse says differently. And anyone who has used one in the middle of a gunfight will concur. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 1:03:45 PM EDT
[#23]
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Posted: 4/26/2022 1:04:15 PM EDT
[#24]
No forward assist is ugly AF.
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Posted: 4/26/2022 1:04:28 PM EDT
[#25]
They're great after you've gotten out of the surf during an OTB.
I swap mine for AR gas vents. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 1:04:29 PM EDT
[#26]
I can clear a base over bolt by feel in the dark, but I’ve never needed a forward assist.
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Posted: 4/26/2022 1:06:02 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I see this trope being pushed more and more... please expound. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You mean the Malfunction Enhancement Button? PRESS HERE TO FUCK YOUR SHIT I see this trope being pushed more and more... please expound. Instead of a quick tap to insure the bolt slid home they are are insisting that if its there you’ll pound the maul on a double feed and wedge the bolt fast so the while rifle is locked up tight. The FA is great if the thing gets some grit in it or a cold rifle sticks up a bit, or you don't want the sound of a full rack/slam and you need the round in there. Used it a couple times for exactly that purpose. All you have to do is not be an idiot and just beat the thing like a Russian cosmonaut in Armageddon for every malfunction. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 1:06:40 PM EDT
[#28]
Last 3-Gun match another shooters FA pin sheered and locked the bolt forward.
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Posted: 4/26/2022 1:06:46 PM EDT
[#29]
Allows one to silently load an AR15, yeah you can shove with your fingers probably
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Posted: 4/26/2022 1:06:57 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Put your thumb there after a mag dump or three. Your thumb would be 100% fine. An older one of these threads had someone doing temp readings. ETA: I actually showed someone the bolt cut out thing a few days ago when their OBR wouldn’t lock forward when loading. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 1:09:16 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Last 3-Gun match another shooters FA pin sheered and locked the bolt forward. Pat Rogers posted once that he saw 750,000 rounds fired annually and the FA locked up the gun three times a year. So 1 in 250,000. Which is not insignificant. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 1:10:02 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/26/2022 1:10:52 PM EDT
[#33]
Oh look. I can close a bolt with no round in the chamber with a thumb. Is that really the condition I would use it in?
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Posted: 4/26/2022 1:11:44 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Pat Rogers posted once that he saw 750,000 rounds fired annually and the FA locked up the gun three times a year. So 1 in 250,000. Which is not insignificant. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Last 3-Gun match another shooters FA pin sheered and locked the bolt forward. Pat Rogers posted once that he saw 750,000 rounds fired annually and the FA locked up the gun three times a year. So 1 in 250,000. Which is not insignificant. It's pretty close to insignificant. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 1:12:36 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Kyle Rittenhouse says differently. Exactly! |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 1:13:14 PM EDT
[#36]
Ive had to use it before. Cant remember when but the gun was dirty I believe. I'd rather have it and not need it than.........
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Posted: 4/26/2022 1:13:53 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No forward assist is ugly AF.  
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Posted: 4/26/2022 1:13:56 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And anyone who has used one in the middle of a gunfight will concur. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Kyle Rittenhouse says differently. And anyone who has used one in the middle of a gunfight will concur. Its a BINGO! |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 1:15:02 PM EDT
[#39]
Really it just comes down to this:
Necessary: nope. Useless: nope. That's really all there is to it. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 1:15:26 PM EDT
[#40]
I've never used it. If a round is out of battery, no way am I trying to shove it deeper.
But the only battles I fight are with paper, so
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Posted: 4/26/2022 1:15:52 PM EDT
[#41]
Everyone opting for the forward assist has an adjustable gas block on their rifle right?
Back up irons as well? Need it and not have it and all that. 
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Posted: 4/26/2022 1:16:42 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I've never used it. If a round is out of battery, no way am I trying to shove it deeper. But the only battles I fight are with paper, so You CAN get an infection from a paper cut. That ain't no joke. Give yourself every advantage against those monsters. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 1:17:00 PM EDT
[#43]
GD has fingers like Johnsonvilles.
Not gonna work OP. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 1:17:08 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's pretty close to insignificant. I’m hugely intolerant of anything that requires armorer support to repair. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 1:18:40 PM EDT
[#45]
FWD ASSIST IS USELESS, I DON'T LIKE IT AND NEITHER SHOULD ANYONE ELSE!
Why do I keep hanging around here? |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 1:19:42 PM EDT
[#46]
I've used the forward assist under fire in adverse conditions and it got the gun up. Why? Because I observed the chamber before engaging the forward assist.
TRB should be taught as Observe Tap Rack Bang. I'll keep my forward assist and and my quad rails. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 1:20:10 PM EDT
[#47]
I'm surprised there are not more uppers without forward assist available. I know there are options, but would think there would be more.
And don't look for a complete upper assembled on one. I don't remember ever seeing a flyer or email ad that had a complete upper with no forward assist. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 1:21:12 PM EDT
[#48]
It's not useless! Pretty much every semi auto rifle on the market has one!
Oh... Wait...
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Posted: 4/26/2022 1:21:47 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m hugely intolerant of anything that requires armorer support to repair. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's pretty close to insignificant. I’m hugely intolerant of anything that requires armorer support to repair. Then don't shoot guns. All guns can fail, in many different ways. We have no idea what the condition of those guns was, what ammo they were shooting, the condition of the ammo they were shooting, what modifications had been made to the gun, nothing. It's an anecdote, nothing more. If anything, 3 failures in 750,000 rounds observed by an expert tells me it's zero problem. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 1:25:35 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I've used the forward assist under fire in adverse conditions and it got the gun up. Why? Because I observed the chamber before engaging the forward assist. TRB should be taught as Observe Tap Rack Bang. I'll keep my forward assist and and my quad rails. I'm a huge fan of mlok but can ABSOLUTELY see the value in quad rails. The drop tests do not lie. Interesting side note that rail in the OP has MLOK on the side, but a continuous rail on top. I've been skeptical of mlok with IR Lasers that need to hold zero and happened to pick up a Geissele PARTIAL quad rail with mlok sides, but where the last inch or so is quad rail. I'm 99% sure I'll replace the V7 with the Geissele. |
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