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Posted: 4/26/2022 1:25:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Kyle Rittenhouse says differently.  This |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 1:26:58 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's not useless! Pretty much every semi auto rifle on the market has one! Oh... Wait...  How many of them see the extensive use in adverse conditions that the AR platform sees? |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 1:27:22 PM EDT
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The forward assist is not need, but in can be useful.
I've had to use mine a few times. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 1:28:02 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: FWD ASSIST IS USELESS, I DON'T LIKE IT AND NEITHER SHOULD ANYONE ELSE! Well that clears up the whole matter I suppose. Hey everyone! Argument’s over. This guy just cleared it up for us all!!! 
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Posted: 4/26/2022 1:28:09 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I've used the forward assist under fire in adverse conditions and it got the gun up. Why? Because I observed the chamber before engaging the forward assist. TRB should be taught as Observe Tap Rack Bang. I'll keep my forward assist and and my quad rails. @joshdb50 When you say observed the chamber, do you mean just peek to see that a round is properly chambered but not seated all the way? I have no experience with this and just curious as to exactly what you experienced and exactly how you addressed the issue. Thanks. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 1:28:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Then don't shoot guns. All guns can fail, in many different ways. We have no idea what the condition of those guns was, what ammo they were shooting, the condition of the ammo they were shooting, what modifications had been made to the gun, nothing. It's an anecdote, nothing more. If anything, 3 failures in 750,000 rounds observed by an expert tells me it's zero problem. That’s only counting guns that were done. Haven’t even gotten to the ones that were jammed up but could be mortared loose. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 1:29:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've used the forward assist under fire in adverse conditions and it got the gun up. Why? Because I observed the chamber before engaging the forward assist. TRB should be taught as Observe Tap Rack Bang. I'll keep my forward assist and and my quad rails. Diagnostic malfunction clearances? How well does that work under NODS? |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 1:31:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s only counting guns that were done. Haven’t even gotten to the ones that were jammed up but could be mortared loose. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Then don't shoot guns. All guns can fail, in many different ways. We have no idea what the condition of those guns was, what ammo they were shooting, the condition of the ammo they were shooting, what modifications had been made to the gun, nothing. It's an anecdote, nothing more. If anything, 3 failures in 750,000 rounds observed by an expert tells me it's zero problem. That’s only counting guns that were done. Haven’t even gotten to the ones that were jammed up but could be mortared loose. So what number is that? 10 in 750,000? 100? 1,000? |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 1:35:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @joshdb50 When you say observed the chamber, do you mean just peek to see that a round is properly chambered but not seated all the way? I have no experience with this and just curious as to exactly what you experienced and exactly how you addressed the issue. Thanks. This is something that I covered extensively while I was an instructor at the Weapons and Gunnery section at the School of Infantry West at Camp Pendleton. Cant the weapon, observe the chamber (specifically because the whole Immediate action concept can exacerbate a failure) and take the correct action based on that observation. My specific experience was after an RPG impact nearby threw enough debris and dirt around while I was engaging threats that it induced a failure on my M4/M203 while in action. I canted that fucker, observed the round hadn't chambered all the way, smashed the forward assist based on that input and got the gun back into action. The action of canting the gun to get my right eyeball to observe the chamber will tell me if there is a more complex failure or if the round just isn't chambered sufficiently. Then you proceed down your decision tree from there. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 1:35:15 PM EDT
[#10]
Rittenhouse would be dead if it weren't for the FA
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Posted: 4/26/2022 1:36:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Diagnostic malfunction clearances? How well does that work under NODS? Even in zero illum you can generally see enough to observe the chamber right in front of your face. If you're indoors, and in a true zero illum environment, you change your course of action accordingly. "situation dictates." |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 1:40:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No its too bad there isnt a fucking lever there that can take care of it even when its hot or cold if I have gloves or don’t. I cant help some of you are such water brains you’ll hammer a double feed like some retarded monkey in sideshow circus. You can take a little peak before you rack the action to make sure you’re not about to do just that. But I guess that’s too much effort for water brains that would just rather hit a magic lever.  |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 1:43:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So what number is that? 10 in 750,000? 100? 1,000? I’ve seen it several times. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 1:44:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Rittenhouse would be dead if it weren't for the FA Push, pull, rack and roll. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 1:44:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd rather have it and not need it. I think I've used one a couple of times. And I don't see how it being there could have any negatives. Maybe an ounce more weight, but I don't care about that. My thoughts exactly. I personally like the ability to check the chamber and then use the forward assist to make sure it goes back into battery. Even if it's not something I use often, it's nice having the option to do so. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 1:45:12 PM EDT
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Wanna hear something really scary? I have an upper with no FA or dust cover!
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Posted: 4/26/2022 1:45:35 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ve seen it several times. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So what number is that? 10 in 750,000? 100? 1,000? I’ve seen it several times. Several. Is that more than a few, and less than a hand full? |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 1:45:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is there a more 9mm vs 45 topic than a forward assist vs a slick side ? My 9mm AR has a forward assist...
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Posted: 4/26/2022 1:49:17 PM EDT
[#19]
What are you in 3rd grade?
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Posted: 4/26/2022 1:49:40 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: FWD ASSIST IS USELESS, I DON'T LIKE IT AND NEITHER SHOULD ANYONE ELSE! Why do I keep hanging around here? Your statement sounds very RustedAce. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 1:50:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What are you in 3rd grade? ... shut up... It's like my 3rd try. Fuckin fractions. 
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Posted: 4/26/2022 1:51:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Several. Is that more than a few, and less than a hand full? I didn’t keep records. I’ve seen almost all possible AR/M4 malfunctions short of a KB. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 1:51:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pat Rogers posted once that he saw 750,000 rounds fired annually and the FA locked up the gun three times a year. So 1 in 250,000. Which is not insignificant. But how does that compare to other failures like broken cam pins? I wonder if Henderson Defense has seen a similar failure rate? |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 1:54:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've used the forward assist under fire in adverse conditions and it got the gun up. Why? Because I observed the chamber before engaging the forward assist. TRB should be taught as Observe Tap Rack Bang. The full action we were taught was SPORTS. Ive only tapped my FA at the range though. A suppressed gun gets super filthy. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 1:54:29 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's not useless! Pretty much every semi auto rifle on the market has one! Oh... Wait... Those with reciprocating charging handles do...
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Posted: 4/26/2022 1:57:55 PM EDT
[#26]
My time in the military, and personal life I have literally never used the FA except in mil training.
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Posted: 4/26/2022 2:01:24 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The full action we were taught was SPORTS. Ive only tapped my FA at the range though. A suppressed gun gets super filthy. Generally, if you're not in an adverse environment the issue is lack of lube or riding the charging handle. When did you get in? I was at SOI in 2008-2010. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 2:02:46 PM EDT
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They had a wacky take on the "assembled" vs. "built" argument as well. They were sucked in by the internet purse fighting rather than legal definitions.
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Posted: 4/26/2022 2:02:59 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My time in the military, and personal life I have literally never used the FA except in mil training. Might I ask what branch and MOS? |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 2:24:00 PM EDT
[#30]
Why the fuck would I want to pound something into the chamber that didn’t want to go in in the first place!!???
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Posted: 4/26/2022 2:34:00 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/26/2022 2:36:57 PM EDT
[#32]
It's been handy for me a few times. Using your thumb on the bolt carrier is great if the gun is squeaky clean.
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Posted: 4/26/2022 2:39:20 PM EDT
[#33]
Agreed.
Finally, the one thing all of ARFCOM can agree on…oh, never mind. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 2:39:53 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryThat was a squib. It wasn’t caused by the FA. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 2:46:02 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That was a squib. It wasn’t caused by the FA. Yet without the FA he wouldn’t have been able to beat a round in and blow his gun up. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 2:46:52 PM EDT
[#36]
"I didn't load these, Bryan did."
totally the fucking fault of the FA. Spend more time shooting, less time posting. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 2:49:38 PM EDT
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One link in a chain of failures.
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Posted: 4/26/2022 2:50:19 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yet without the FA he wouldn’t have been able to beat a round in and blow his gun up. jesus christ... do you even watch the video? he ejects multiple rounds that fail to fire. confirms that they're reloaded rounds via the whole, "Bryan loaded these." then finally finds one with a sufficiently placed primer after failing to diagnose a squib load. Totally the FA's fault. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 2:54:09 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yet without the FA he wouldn’t have been able to beat a round in and blow his gun up. He hit the FA each time he loaded a round. It didn’t force anything. If the others were obstructed from loading then how was he able to pull the trigger out of battery and determine he had bad primers? |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 2:55:49 PM EDT
[#40]
He’s either trying to push rounds in that don’t want to go or he’s using it as an emotional support button. My take is there’s a bullet jammed in the leade and he’s tagging the button until something moves enough to get a round in.
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Posted: 4/26/2022 2:56:24 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How many of them see the extensive use in adverse conditions that the AR platform sees? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's not useless! Pretty much every semi auto rifle on the market has one! Oh... Wait... How many of them see the extensive use in adverse conditions that the AR platform sees? Since my 10/22 doesn’t have one, neither should my AR. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 2:57:10 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He hit the FA each time he loaded a round. It didn’t force anything. If the others were obstructed from loading then how was he able to pull the trigger out of battery and determine he had bad primers? Pulling the trigger out of battery is the easy part. You’re saying it’s an emotional support button after all. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 2:57:40 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Since my 10/22 doesn’t have one, neither should my AR. Ok this is awkward… |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 2:58:59 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is there a more 9mm vs 45 topic than a forward assist vs a slick side ? I don't know why discussing something bothers people. If you don't want to discuss it, you don't have to participate. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 2:59:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pulling the trigger out of battery is the easy part. You’re saying it’s an emotional support button after all. You really should just stop.  Donny, you're out of your element |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 2:59:20 PM EDT
[#46]
A Cherry Balmz coated bcg is too slick to do that…
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Posted: 4/26/2022 3:03:14 PM EDT
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I only use a FA as part of my press check procedure.
If a round dont fit, I'm just going to a failure drill to rack a new round in after confirming the mag is seated. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 3:07:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Put your thumb there after a mag dump or three. Lol Make sure to get it on video 
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Posted: 4/26/2022 3:08:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistorySo was he forcing a round in that didn’t fit or pushing his emotional support button? |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 3:08:48 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok this is awkward… Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Since my 10/22 doesn’t have one, neither should my AR. Ok this is awkward…  Attached File |
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