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Posted: 4/26/2022 3:09:37 PM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Pulling the trigger out of battery is the easy part. You’re saying it’s an emotional support button after all. I see where you’re coming from. Still not blaming it all on the fa. Lots of wrong done in that video. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 3:12:25 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So was he forcing a round in that didn’t fit or pushing his emotional support button? He was an uneducated shooter misusing the weapon. That doesn't invalidate the fucking premise of the FA. Using something incorrectly is a result of stupidity or ignorance, not its existence. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 3:13:05 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How many of them see the extensive use in adverse conditions that the AR platform sees? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's not useless! Pretty much every semi auto rifle on the market has one! Oh... Wait...  How many of them see the extensive use in adverse conditions that the AR platform sees? Don't most semis have a foward assist in one shape or another.... Off the top of my head....AUG, X95, Scar (new and old model), AK, Galil, ARX100, Daewoo. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 3:13:24 PM EDT
[#4]
I never understood the hate for the FA ???????
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Posted: 4/26/2022 3:15:19 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Put your thumb there after a mag dump or three. Yup |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 3:15:48 PM EDT
[#6]
I've used the FA several times when I was in the Military. I'll be keeping mine if given the choice, thanks.
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Posted: 4/26/2022 3:16:47 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He was an uneducated shooter misusing the weapon. That doesn't invalidate the fucking premise of the FA. Using something incorrectly is a result of stupidity or ignorance, not its existence. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So was he forcing a round in that didn’t fit or pushing his emotional support button? He was an uneducated shooter misusing the weapon. That doesn't invalidate the fucking premise of the FA. Using something incorrectly is a result of stupidity or ignorance, not its existence. Systematic user failures are engineering failures. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 3:17:16 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Put your thumb there after a mag dump or three. No shit... |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 3:17:38 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I never understood the hate for the FA ??????? I don’t either. Most guys here probably know way more than I do about the AR platform, some guys have forgotten more than I will ever know so for most discussions I am content to learn, but in this case I can’t see a logical reason not to have it. You don’t have to use it. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 3:18:28 PM EDT
[#10]
@Ryan_Scott
I get that you watch a lot of youtube videos and take the AF at it's word... but some other branches learned some shit. Adverse conditions exist outside of AF conditions where you remove physical barriers to make a base look nicer despite the threat of adversary saboteurs, that require the necessity of things you might not quite understand in your sheltered life of reading many magazine articles by people hawking new receivers with no FA who only shoot competitions that they're always able to stand in. However, an entirely frightening world to your kind exists out there. One where dust and dirt particles get into your gun while it's cycling that may necessitate a quick tab to the forward assist. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 3:20:07 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Put your thumb there after a mag dump or three. If you’re shooting and have an issue rip the charging handle back and toss out the bad round. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 3:20:34 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That was a squib. It wasn’t caused by the FA. Quote HistoryQuoted: That was a squib. It wasn’t caused by the FA. No shit Mr. Helper!  Like most people he didn’t understand how to employ the FA.
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Posted: 4/26/2022 3:20:59 PM EDT
[#13]
Forward "assist".
It assists the bolt going forward. How and when you apply that is up to you. If you beat it each time you load a mag and after each and every failure making no effort to understand what has occurred then you can create a problem because you are not being very intellegent. Same as you could by simply ripping the mag and reinserting it and slamming till you finally get it to go into battery. That can leave you in a bad spot too. It's really quite comical the amount of argument and work people put into moaning about something that is entirely up to them to use or not use and that doesn't have to be included in their build if they don't want it. It's not something that I would spend a moment worried about just randomly ruining my shooting day. Don't just beat the damn thing without understanding whats going on. Don't want one, don't get one. "It's useless" is patently false. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 3:29:36 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No shit Mr. Helper! Like most people he didn’t understand how to employ the FA.No reason to be a little cunt about it. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 3:33:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Put your thumb there after a mag dump or three. BT,DT - it’s not like you are parking your thumb there for a full minute. Have seen a forward assist break - it took a while and some tools to untuck that rifle… |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 3:36:59 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Take training. No training I received outside of the Army has taught use of the forward assist. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 3:43:55 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That was a squib. It wasn’t caused by the FA. No, compressing the live round in behind it was enabled by the forward assist. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 3:45:37 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No, compressing the live round in behind it was enabled by the forward assist. Right. Tracking now. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 3:45:42 PM EDT
[#19]
I don’t like to get my thumbs dirty…
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Posted: 4/26/2022 3:45:47 PM EDT
[#20]
This is a good thread to say.
Hey. Why didn't anyone tell me they make the M4E1 upper w/o forward assist. https://www.aeroprecisionusa.com/m4e1-threaded-stripped-upper-no-forward-assist-anodized-black 
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Posted: 4/26/2022 3:50:05 PM EDT
[#21]
If the round cannot properly seat under normal spring pressure. It is unwise to force a cartridge in there that may be out of spec and thus dangerous.
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Posted: 4/26/2022 3:50:06 PM EDT
[#22]
C7 style uppers have them and C7 style uppers are the best uppers.
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Posted: 4/26/2022 3:50:25 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Right. Tracking now. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No, compressing the live round in behind it was enabled by the forward assist. Right. Tracking now. That’s what I was getting at. It could have been high primers or excessive case length too but I’m going with stuck bullet. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 3:53:19 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @Ryan_Scott I get that you watch a lot of youtube videos and take the AF at it's word... but some other branches learned some shit. Adverse conditions exist outside of AF conditions where you remove physical barriers to make a base look nicer despite the threat of adversary saboteurs, that require the necessity of things you might not quite understand in your sheltered life of reading many magazine articles by people hawking new receivers with no FA who only shoot competitions that they're always able to stand in. However, an entirely frightening world to your kind exists out there. One where dust and dirt particles get into your gun while it's cycling that may necessitate a quick tab to the forward assist. If by Air Force you mean Gene Stoner and almost all instructors. There’s a very narrow window for dirt in an AR between not a problem and FA can’t save you now. Very narrow. We’re you still teaching people not to lube guns in the desert in 2008? |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 3:54:48 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No shit... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Put your thumb there after a mag dump or three. No shit... I believe the test I read was about 120 degrees after 5 mags in FA. So nothing crazy. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 4:04:52 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol Make sure to get it on video  That already happened in one of these threads. It was fine. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 4:06:47 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How hot do you guys think the outside of a BC gets? I believe the test I read was about 120 degrees after 5 mags in FA. So nothing crazy. It’s honestly nuts that so many think it’s too hot to touch. Have none of them pulled a bolt carrier group out or even touched one right after shooting? Weird. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 4:09:02 PM EDT
[#28]
IF you need to use the FA, it is best to eject the problem round.
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Posted: 4/26/2022 4:10:03 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No reason to be a little cunt about it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No shit Mr. Helper! Like most people he didn’t understand how to employ the FA.No reason to be a little cunt about it. Mr. Helper! |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 4:10:08 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I've used the FA several times when I was in the Military. I'll be keeping mine if given the choice, thanks. I am still working one in right now. This system is not as smooth as a Colt. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 4:21:54 PM EDT
[#31]
I actually saw a pretty neat issue recently. Dude was using super crazy dirty ammo, and had a weak spring or something, I dunno, but the bolt was just not going back forward, where it was locking back F/A was useless, wouldnt engage.
Instant solution to get it going again was pressing forward on the bolt lugs themselves. to push it far enough forward to get it to go forward. Anyway I did this after he had shot 5-6 mags rapidly, my finger survived unburnt. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 4:27:35 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Too bad there’s not something you can wear on your hand that protects it from things like heat. Oh wait, people start accusing you of being a flat-range LARPer if you wear those…  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Put your thumb there after a mag dump or three. Too bad there’s not something you can wear on your hand that protects it from things like heat. Oh wait, people start accusing you of being a flat-range LARPer if you wear those… Right, because all you need is a now-thicker thumb to squeeze into an opening that was never designed for a thumb, just to avoid pushing a simple device. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 4:30:31 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Instead of a quick tap to insure the bolt slid home they are are insisting that if its there you’ll pound the maul on a double feed and wedge the bolt fast so the while rifle is locked up tight. The FA is great if the thing gets some grit in it or a cold rifle sticks up a bit, or you don't want the sound of a full rack/slam and you need the round in there. Used it a couple times for exactly that purpose. All you have to do is not be an idiot and just beat the thing like a Russian cosmonaut in Armageddon for every malfunction. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: You mean the Malfunction Enhancement Button? PRESS HERE TO FUCK YOUR SHIT I see this trope being pushed more and more... please expound. Instead of a quick tap to insure the bolt slid home they are are insisting that if its there you’ll pound the maul on a double feed and wedge the bolt fast so the while rifle is locked up tight. The FA is great if the thing gets some grit in it or a cold rifle sticks up a bit, or you don't want the sound of a full rack/slam and you need the round in there. Used it a couple times for exactly that purpose. All you have to do is not be an idiot and just beat the thing like a Russian cosmonaut in Armageddon for every malfunction. To hear some people exaggerate things, you'd think any reciprocating charging handle weapon must have been a total disaster, with people inducing worse malfunctions left and right. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 4:33:24 PM EDT
[#34]
DUST COVERS ARE USELESS!!!!
oh, wait wrong thread..... |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 4:34:38 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If by Air Force you mean Gene Stoner and almost all instructors. There’s a very narrow window for dirt in an AR between not a problem and FA can’t save you now. Very narrow. We’re you still teaching people not to lube guns in the desert in 2008? Lube is a requirement in all environments. What's your operational experience and resume? @Ryan_Scott? List the times you've utilized an AR in an adverse environment? Or using a gun at all? |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 4:35:15 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: To hear some people exaggerate things, you'd think any reciprocating charging handle weapon must have been a total disaster, with people inducing worse malfunctions left and right. The problem is that the ability of the FA to push things in exceeds the ability of the bolt and extra to to pull things out. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 4:35:53 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: To hear some people exaggerate things, you'd think any reciprocating charging handle weapon must have been a total disaster, with people inducing worse malfunctions left and right. On AKs in particular they induce malfunctions all time. (Very often by cramming rounds in that should not have gone in, that you then need to try to use the too short cleaning rod to get out.) SCARs have also been known to have malfunctioned induced by them. (Mostly out of battery stuff on these.) |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 4:36:59 PM EDT
[#38]
How bored must somebody be to point out the fact they think the forward assist is useless.
Get a life dude |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 4:38:05 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Right, because all you need is a now-thicker thumb to squeeze into an opening that was never designed for a thumb, just to avoid pushing a simple device. Thumbs fit fine. Glove thumbs fit fine too. Its not hot in the first place. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 4:39:55 PM EDT
[#40]
I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it.
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Posted: 4/26/2022 4:41:36 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I've used the FA several times when I was in the Military. I'll be keeping mine if given the choice, thanks. This is why you never found a niche selling cool hats and "tactical" classes to civilians, man. You gotta make a name for yourself by going against the mainstream, then speak derisively against "Big Army" or such, spitting right after you do. People will line up for blocks to give you money. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 4:45:30 PM EDT
[#42]
Lol! Not my style...
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Posted: 4/26/2022 4:46:32 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Push, pull, rack and roll. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Rittenhouse would be dead if it weren't for the FA Push, pull, rack and roll. If you had watched the video of the attack, you'd know that there was no time for that: Skater Boi's hand was over the ejection port when Kyle shot him. This slowed down the bolt enough that it didn't fully go into battery. Kyle had enough presence of mind to notice that, smack the FA, and engage Antifa Medic guy (all in about 2 seconds) before he could get a shot off |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 4:47:33 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is why you never found a niche selling cool hats and "tactical" classes to civilians, man. You gotta make a name for yourself by going against the mainstream, then speak derisively against "Big Army" or such, spitting right after you do. People will line up for blocks to give you money. What malfunction exists that can be solved with a forward assist, but not the charging handle? |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 4:48:02 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lube is a requirement in all environments. What's your operational experience and resume? @Ryan_Scott? Industry side bro, not operational. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 4:49:39 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol! Not my style... I was looking forward to AZ5326X2 brand hair gel. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 4:50:08 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is why you never found a niche selling cool hats and "tactical" classes to civilians, man. Hey! I dont sell hats! CW Shirts only.
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Posted: 4/26/2022 4:59:46 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What malfunction exists that can be solved with a forward assist, but not the charging handle? The AR charging handle is non-reciprocating. It does not assist the bolt into battery. It also, fortunately, doesn't cycle back while shooting. That would make things awkward for the shooter. Thus the only way to push an out-of-battery bolt into battery is either to A) rack the thing all the way back and let the spring and physics do their thing or B) stuck your grubby thumb in through the ejection port. The latter is a technique, sure. It's just that a simple device allowing that to be done without sticking your grubby paw in there also exists. Many people have a bizarre hatred of said device, and many others eschew said device to prove how tacticool they are, since Trainer Ted told them it was for sissies. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 5:01:00 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Industry side bro, not operational. So you're here to sell shit and don't actually know shit? Good to know. |
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Posted: 4/26/2022 5:03:39 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So you're here to sell shit and don't actually know shit? Good to know. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Industry side bro, not operational. So you're here to sell shit and don't actually know shit? Good to know. LOL no. |
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