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Quoted: How do you know he wasn't a navy seal? Or, that he has a medical condition that causes him to be that way? I guess some people really take their interneting seriously. ![]() View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I saw what you wrote originally. Don't shit in my thread again. How do you know he wasn't a navy seal? Or, that he has a medical condition that causes him to be that way? I guess some people really take their interneting seriously. ![]() I love jokes and memes but that bullshit he wrote would've ignited a shitstorm and this is kind of an important thread. I'd rather people get insight and be able to post updates instead of the usual shit slinging and purse swinging. Sometimes enough is enough. |
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Quoted: I'd like to experience a quake, a small one. I'm just curious what it's like to see everything shake. I've been offshore in a boat 87 billion times but that's nothing in comparison View Quote We had a small one a few years back, a 3.6, the house moved like it was made of rubber or jello. It just kind of felt like it was swaying in a circle. Dog didn’t give any warning, it only lasted ~15 seconds. So have been in an earthquake and seen a tornado, I’m pretty good from here on out on wanting to be involved in natural disasters. |
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Quoted: I'd like to experience a quake, a small one. I'm just curious what it's like to see everything shake. I've been offshore in a boat 87 billion times but that's nothing in comparison View Quote It's a weird feeling seeing things move when they shouldn't be and you are bouncing around. Experienced them in CA. Was in a meeting in a conference room several floors up in Wichita, KS a few years back and we started getting shacking and bouncing. Never experienced a KS earthquake before. |
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Quoted: We had a small one a few years back, a 3.6, the house moved like it was made of rubber or jello. It just kind of felt like it was swaying in a circle. Dog didn’t give any warning, it only lasted ~15 seconds. So have been in an earthquake and seen a tornado, I’m pretty good from here on out on wanting to be involved in natural disasters. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I'd like to experience a quake, a small one. I'm just curious what it's like to see everything shake. I've been offshore in a boat 87 billion times but that's nothing in comparison We had a small one a few years back, a 3.6, the house moved like it was made of rubber or jello. It just kind of felt like it was swaying in a circle. Dog didn’t give any warning, it only lasted ~15 seconds. So have been in an earthquake and seen a tornado, I’m pretty good from here on out on wanting to be involved in natural disasters. I haven’t done tornado or hurricane. And I’m good with that. |
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THIS MESSAGE IS ISSUED FOR INFORMATION ONLY IN SUPPORT OF THE UNESCO/IOC PACIFIC TSUNAMI WARNING AND MITIGATION SYSTEM AND IS MEANT FOR NATIONAL AUTHORITIES IN EACH COUNTRY OF THAT SYSTEM. NATIONAL AUTHORITIES WILL DETERMINE THE APPROPRIATE LEVEL OF ALERT FOR EACH COUNTRY AND MAY ISSUE ADDITIONAL OR MORE REFINED INFORMATION. **** NOTICE **** NOTICE **** NOTICE **** NOTICE **** NOTICE ***** PRELIMINARY EARTHQUAKE PARAMETERS - FROM JMA -------------------------------------------- * MAGNITUDE 7.3 * ORIGIN TIME 1437 UTC MAR 16 2022 * COORDINATES 37.7 NORTH 141.7 EAST * DEPTH 33 KM / 20 MILES * LOCATION NEAR THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU JAPAN EVALUATION ---------- * AN EARTHQUAKE WITH A PRELIMINARY MAGNITUDE OF 7.3 OCCURRED NEAR THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN AT 1437 UTC ON WEDNESDAY MARCH 16 2022. * BASED ON THE PRELIMINARY EARTHQUAKE PARAMETERS... HAZARDOUS TSUNAMI WAVES ARE POSSIBLE FOR COASTS LOCATED WITHIN 300 KM OF THE EARTHQUAKE EPICENTER. TSUNAMI THREAT FORECAST ----------------------- * HAZARDOUS TSUNAMI WAVES FROM THIS EARTHQUAKE ARE POSSIBLE WITHIN 300 KM OF THE EPICENTER ALONG THE COASTS OF JAPAN. RECOMMENDED ACTIONS ------------------- * GOVERNMENT AGENCIES RESPONSIBLE FOR THREATENED COASTAL AREAS SHOULD TAKE ACTION TO INFORM AND INSTRUCT ANY COASTAL POPULATIONS AT RISK IN ACCORDANCE WITH THEIR OWN EVALUATION... PROCEDURES AND THE LEVEL OF THREAT. * PERSONS LOCATED IN THREATENED COASTAL AREAS SHOULD STAY ALERT FOR INFORMATION AND FOLLOW INSTRUCTIONS FROM NATIONAL AND LOCAL AUTHORITIES. ESTIMATED TIMES OF ARRIVAL -------------------------- * ESTIMATED TIMES OF ARRIVAL -ETA- OF THE INITIAL TSUNAMI WAVE FOR PLACES WITH A POTENTIAL TSUNAMI THREAT. ACTUAL ARRIVAL TIMES MAY DIFFER AND THE INITIAL WAVE MAY NOT BE THE LARGEST. A TSUNAMI IS A SERIES OF WAVES AND THE TIME BETWEEN WAVES CAN BE FIVE MINUTES TO ONE HOUR. LOCATION REGION COORDINATES ETA(UTC) ------------------------------------------------------------ NIIGATA JAPAN 38.0N 139.0E 1809 03/16 POTENTIAL IMPACTS ----------------- * A TSUNAMI IS A SERIES OF WAVES. THE TIME BETWEEN WAVE CRESTS CAN VARY FROM 5 MINUTES TO AN HOUR. THE HAZARD MAY PERSIST FOR MANY HOURS OR LONGER AFTER THE INITIAL WAVE. * IMPACTS CAN VARY SIGNIFICANTLY FROM ONE SECTION OF COAST TO THE NEXT DUE TO LOCAL BATHYMETRY AND THE SHAPE AND ELEVATION OF THE SHORELINE. * IMPACTS CAN ALSO VARY DEPENDING UPON THE STATE OF THE TIDE AT THE TIME OF THE MAXIMUM TSUNAMI WAVES. * PERSONS CAUGHT IN THE WATER OF A TSUNAMI MAY DROWN... BE CRUSHED BY DEBRIS IN THE WATER... OR BE SWEPT OUT TO SEA. NEXT UPDATE AND ADDITIONAL INFORMATION -------------------------------------- * THE NEXT MESSAGE WILL BE ISSUED IN ONE HOUR... OR SOONER IF THE SITUATION WARRANTS. * AUTHORITATIVE INFORMATION ABOUT THE EARTHQUAKE FROM THE U.S. GEOLOGICAL SURVEY CAN BE FOUND ON THE INTERNET AT EARTHQUAKE.USGS.GOV. * FURTHER INFORMATION ABOUT THIS EVENT MAY BE FOUND AT https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tsunami.gov%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cf890d338cc6f4f854ceb08da075cd9cc%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637830392626990736%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=a4cmM47vpaeI4qag2e6%2BAww9EfB%2BBdjaLLA51tUtBsg%3D&reserved=0. * COASTAL REGIONS OF HAWAII... AMERICAN SAMOA... GUAM... AND CNMI SHOULD REFER TO PACIFIC TSUNAMI WARNING CENTER MESSAGES SPECIFICALLY FOR THOSE PLACES THAT CAN BE FOUND AT https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tsunami.gov%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cf890d338cc6f4f854ceb08da075cd9cc%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637830392626990736%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=a4cmM47vpaeI4qag2e6%2BAww9EfB%2BBdjaLLA51tUtBsg%3D&reserved=0. * COASTAL REGIONS OF CALIFORNIA... OREGON... WASHINGTON... BRITISH COLUMBIA AND ALASKA SHOULD ONLY REFER TO U.S. NATIONAL TSUNAMI WARNING CENTER MESSAGES THAT CAN BE FOUND AT https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tsunami.gov%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cf890d338cc6f4f854ceb08da075cd9cc%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637830392626990736%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=a4cmM47vpaeI4qag2e6%2BAww9EfB%2BBdjaLLA51tUtBsg%3D&reserved=0. $$ |
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11 years and five days since the last one.
They literally had the memorial ceremony last weekend. ![]() |
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Quoted: Quoted: nvm View Quote I saw what you wrote originally. Don't shit in my thread again. View Quote Lol or what tough guy ![]() |
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Looks like one of Japan's Kawasaki P-1s from their Maritime Defense Force is headed up to Fukushima to scope it out.
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I moved to LA in the late 80's. We had just moved in, and were sleeping on a mattress/box springs on the floor with the head board leaning up against the wall.
One night, there was a little one - maybe 5 or so - out in the desert. Middle of the night. The headboard comes crashing down and hits me on the bridge of the nose. Got a deep cut. And, woke up in the middle of the night, under a head board, and thinking I had been abducted and buried alive or something. Bleeding. Wife sleeps thru the whole thing, and because she is on her side, no impact with head board for her. I assembled the bed the next day. |
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Quoted: What's the likelihood of a tsunami with this one? View Quote ![]() Japan rocked by 7.3-magnitude earthquake: Tsunami advisory issued | LiveNOW from FOX |
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Quoted: ... 90 seconds to sheer terror. There’s not a damn thing you can do until the ground stops swimming beneath your feet.... 1994, holy shit. Where has the time gone. View Quote I always forget about the duration of that one. Pretty sure the longest Ive ever ridden couldnt have been 30 seconds and Ive lived around earthquakes coming up on 48 years. |
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U.S. Tsunami center just cleared the "Tsunami Threat" for Japan's coast.
Looks like the earthquake is all they need to be worrying about |
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Quoted: Sit on an office chair or lay on a bed and have someone shake the goddamn out of it. That's what a mild quake feels like. View Quote I have experienced many of them. The 1992 Landers quake, a 7.3, I was just north of Barstow. Massive trees were rocking, water sloshed out of the pool. Lots of cabins at Big Bear Lake lost chimneys. I was in the basement of the American Legion in Orange County CA when a good shaker came about. It shook again the next day at breakfast, lamps were rocking, pool water sloshed. Ridgecrest 7.1. I need to stay the fuck out of California. ![]() |
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Quoted: THIS MESSAGE IS ISSUED FOR INFORMATION ONLY IN SUPPORT OF THE UNESCO/IOC PACIFIC TSUNAMI WARNING AND MITIGATION SYSTEM AND IS MEANT FOR NATIONAL AUTHORITIES IN EACH COUNTRY OF THAT SYSTEM. NATIONAL AUTHORITIES WILL DETERMINE THE APPROPRIATE LEVEL OF ALERT FOR EACH COUNTRY AND MAY ISSUE ADDITIONAL OR MORE REFINED INFORMATION. **** NOTICE **** NOTICE **** NOTICE **** NOTICE **** NOTICE ***** PRELIMINARY EARTHQUAKE PARAMETERS - FROM JMA -------------------------------------------- * MAGNITUDE 7.3 * ORIGIN TIME 1437 UTC MAR 16 2022 * COORDINATES 37.7 NORTH 141.7 EAST * DEPTH 33 KM / 20 MILES * LOCATION NEAR THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU JAPAN EVALUATION ---------- * AN EARTHQUAKE WITH A PRELIMINARY MAGNITUDE OF 7.3 OCCURRED NEAR THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN AT 1437 UTC ON WEDNESDAY MARCH 16 2022. * BASED ON THE PRELIMINARY EARTHQUAKE PARAMETERS... HAZARDOUS TSUNAMI WAVES ARE POSSIBLE FOR COASTS LOCATED WITHIN 300 KM OF THE EARTHQUAKE EPICENTER. TSUNAMI THREAT FORECAST ----------------------- * HAZARDOUS TSUNAMI WAVES FROM THIS EARTHQUAKE ARE POSSIBLE WITHIN 300 KM OF THE EPICENTER ALONG THE COASTS OF JAPAN. RECOMMENDED ACTIONS ------------------- * GOVERNMENT AGENCIES RESPONSIBLE FOR THREATENED COASTAL AREAS SHOULD TAKE ACTION TO INFORM AND INSTRUCT ANY COASTAL POPULATIONS AT RISK IN ACCORDANCE WITH THEIR OWN EVALUATION... PROCEDURES AND THE LEVEL OF THREAT. * PERSONS LOCATED IN THREATENED COASTAL AREAS SHOULD STAY ALERT FOR INFORMATION AND FOLLOW INSTRUCTIONS FROM NATIONAL AND LOCAL AUTHORITIES. ESTIMATED TIMES OF ARRIVAL -------------------------- * ESTIMATED TIMES OF ARRIVAL -ETA- OF THE INITIAL TSUNAMI WAVE FOR PLACES WITH A POTENTIAL TSUNAMI THREAT. ACTUAL ARRIVAL TIMES MAY DIFFER AND THE INITIAL WAVE MAY NOT BE THE LARGEST. A TSUNAMI IS A SERIES OF WAVES AND THE TIME BETWEEN WAVES CAN BE FIVE MINUTES TO ONE HOUR. LOCATION REGION COORDINATES ETA(UTC) ------------------------------------------------------------ NIIGATA JAPAN 38.0N 139.0E 1809 03/16 POTENTIAL IMPACTS ----------------- * A TSUNAMI IS A SERIES OF WAVES. THE TIME BETWEEN WAVE CRESTS CAN VARY FROM 5 MINUTES TO AN HOUR. THE HAZARD MAY PERSIST FOR MANY HOURS OR LONGER AFTER THE INITIAL WAVE. * IMPACTS CAN VARY SIGNIFICANTLY FROM ONE SECTION OF COAST TO THE NEXT DUE TO LOCAL BATHYMETRY AND THE SHAPE AND ELEVATION OF THE SHORELINE. * IMPACTS CAN ALSO VARY DEPENDING UPON THE STATE OF THE TIDE AT THE TIME OF THE MAXIMUM TSUNAMI WAVES. * PERSONS CAUGHT IN THE WATER OF A TSUNAMI MAY DROWN... BE CRUSHED BY DEBRIS IN THE WATER... OR BE SWEPT OUT TO SEA. NEXT UPDATE AND ADDITIONAL INFORMATION -------------------------------------- * THE NEXT MESSAGE WILL BE ISSUED IN ONE HOUR... OR SOONER IF THE SITUATION WARRANTS. * AUTHORITATIVE INFORMATION ABOUT THE EARTHQUAKE FROM THE U.S. GEOLOGICAL SURVEY CAN BE FOUND ON THE INTERNET AT EARTHQUAKE.USGS.GOV. * FURTHER INFORMATION ABOUT THIS EVENT MAY BE FOUND AT https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tsunami.gov%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cf890d338cc6f4f854ceb08da075cd9cc%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637830392626990736%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=a4cmM47vpaeI4qag2e6%2BAww9EfB%2BBdjaLLA51tUtBsg%3D&reserved=0. * COASTAL REGIONS OF HAWAII... AMERICAN SAMOA... GUAM... AND CNMI SHOULD REFER TO PACIFIC TSUNAMI WARNING CENTER MESSAGES SPECIFICALLY FOR THOSE PLACES THAT CAN BE FOUND AT https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tsunami.gov%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cf890d338cc6f4f854ceb08da075cd9cc%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637830392626990736%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=a4cmM47vpaeI4qag2e6%2BAww9EfB%2BBdjaLLA51tUtBsg%3D&reserved=0. * COASTAL REGIONS OF CALIFORNIA... OREGON... WASHINGTON... BRITISH COLUMBIA AND ALASKA SHOULD ONLY REFER TO U.S. NATIONAL TSUNAMI WARNING CENTER MESSAGES THAT CAN BE FOUND AT https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tsunami.gov%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cf890d338cc6f4f854ceb08da075cd9cc%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637830392626990736%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=a4cmM47vpaeI4qag2e6%2BAww9EfB%2BBdjaLLA51tUtBsg%3D&reserved=0. $$ View Quote Thanks, updated the OP with this. |
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Quoted: I always forget about the duration of that one. Pretty sure the longest Ive ever ridden couldnt have been 30 seconds and Ive lived around earthquakes coming up on 48 years. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: ... 90 seconds to sheer terror. There’s not a damn thing you can do until the ground stops swimming beneath your feet.... 1994, holy shit. Where has the time gone. I always forget about the duration of that one. Pretty sure the longest Ive ever ridden couldnt have been 30 seconds and Ive lived around earthquakes coming up on 48 years. Living in the desert now, I most certainly do not miss the earthquakes. |
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THIS MESSAGE IS ISSUED FOR INFORMATION ONLY IN SUPPORT OF THE UNESCO/IOC PACIFIC TSUNAMI WARNING AND MITIGATION SYSTEM AND IS MEANT FOR NATIONAL AUTHORITIES IN EACH COUNTRY OF THAT SYSTEM. NATIONAL AUTHORITIES WILL DETERMINE THE APPROPRIATE LEVEL OF ALERT FOR EACH COUNTRY AND MAY ISSUE ADDITIONAL OR MORE REFINED INFORMATION. **** NOTICE **** NOTICE **** NOTICE **** NOTICE **** NOTICE ***** THE TSUNAMI FORECAST IS UPDATED IN THIS MESSAGE. PRELIMINARY EARTHQUAKE PARAMETERS --------------------------------- * MAGNITUDE 7.3 * ORIGIN TIME 1437 UTC MAR 16 2022 * COORDINATES 37.7 NORTH 141.7 EAST * DEPTH 55 KM / 34 MILES * LOCATION NEAR THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU JAPAN EVALUATION ---------- * AN EARTHQUAKE WITH A PRELIMINARY MAGNITUDE OF 7.3 OCCURRED NEAR THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN AT 1437 UTC ON WEDNESDAY MARCH 16 2022. * BASED ON ALL AVAILABLE DATA... THE TSUNAMI THREAT FROM THIS EARTHQUAKE HAS NOW PASSED. TSUNAMI THREAT FORECAST...UPDATED --------------------------------- * THERE IS NO LONGER A TSUNAMI THREAT FROM THIS EARTHQUAKE. |
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Quoted: Hopefully just looking for fires, there are 2 million people without power in that area. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Looks like one of Japan's Kawasaki P-1s from their Maritime Defense Force is headed up to Fukushima to scope it out. Hopefully just looking for fires, there are 2 million people without power in that area. He's there, right over the coast now |
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I felt it all the way in Michigan.
Uranium shares took a plunge for a minute. |
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Quoted: I love jokes and memes but that bullshit he wrote would've ignited a shitstorm and this is kind of an important thread. I'd rather people get insight and be able to post updates instead of the usual shit slinging and purse swinging. Sometimes enough is enough. View Quote Didn't see the post, but this GD afterall, not a tech forum. I suppose if it was bad, it would have been handled by the site staff, no? Anyway, don't you paying members have private forums so you don't have to deal with the riff raff? Maybe arfcom needs to go the way of yahoo and allow paying members to create posts and turn off replies to keep things civil. That way the creator of posts can control them. Or, maybe a feature where the post creator has to approve all replies to weed out garbage posts. |
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Quoted: If I remember correctly that was a California Highway Patrolman responding to a call, rode right off the edge. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Was that a motorcyclist on the bridge when it collapsed? Talk about shitty timing. If I remember correctly that was a California Highway Patrolman responding to a call, rode right off the edge. I think you’re right. |
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Quoted: Was that a motorcyclist on the bridge when it collapsed? Talk about shitty timing. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: It ain’t fun. Trust me. https://media.nbclosangeles.com/2019/09/AP_19016104913493.jpg?fit=3270%2C2159 Was that a motorcyclist on the bridge when it collapsed? Talk about shitty timing. That was a CHP officer. He couldn't see that the bridge was down until it was too late. I lived just a few miles from the epicenter of the Northridge earthquake. Although I have lived in California for 59 of my 60 years and have experienced many earthquakes here, I definitely do not want to experience another Northridge quake. |
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Quoted: That was horrible. IIRC that one was a 9-something? 7s are no joke, but they’re a long way from 9. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Hopefully we don't see a repeat of this. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/162439/tsunami-area-earthquake-Natori-Miyagi-pr-2315421.JPG That was horrible. IIRC that one was a 9-something? 7s are no joke, but they’re a long way from 9. This I’m no expert but big difference in strength I’m sure there are other things that affect the size of a tsunami |
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I was 17 miles from the Loma Prieta in 89, biggest one ( 6.9 ) I'd personally felt, many 5s and 4s living in the south bay for almost 30 years.
The smaller ones are interesting, you're not really sure if they are going to get bigger so you just kinda brace and wait. The LP quake was a pretty good thump right off the bat, had about a foot and a half of water slosh out of the pool. I hate to say it but the smaller ones are kinda fun. |
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View Quote Jesus H. I loved riding that thing but it derailing? Oh hellllll no. |
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Quoted: It ain’t fun. Trust me. https://media.nbclosangeles.com/2019/09/AP_19016104913493.jpg?fit=3270%2C2159 https://www.dailynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/LDN-L-QUAKE-25-0113-0631.jpg?w=1280 https://media.nbclosangeles.com/2019/09/northridge_1994_r.jpg?fit=1200%2C1777 https://sundial.csun.edu/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Sundial5.jpg http://www.trbimg.com/img-596fd3eb/turbine/la-me-remembering-the-northridge-earthquake-of-013/2000 https://sundial.csun.edu/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Sundial7-628x420.jpg View Quote I lived through that one. No fun as a kid! Southern California has not REALLY been tested since.. Yea we've had others comparable in size, but those hit in MUCH less populated areas, further away from metro areas.... I would assume we are much better prepared with advances in technology and buildings... however, that doesn't help older buildings that are ALL over Southern California. BUT, there is only one way to test and find out... and its not the optimal way to find out, unfortunately. |
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