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The interesting angle is - if you live semi-rural - will be the city folks that are would be panicked and clueless just showing up.

If an earthquake/civil disaster/chemical spill/nuke/etc. happened in a major to midsized city, the streams of people (sensibly) pouring out to go to some friend's place in the country, on their way to family across the highways, or wherever... and (unsensibly) don't make it all the way/run out of gas/hotels full/etc...
Then they're camping and knocking on doors for food and shelter.
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Owning land you visit on occasion and expecting the locals to treat you like one of them when you show up might not work, depending on the nature of the locals. I've had this conversation with people that have hay leases on land owned by Florida plastic surgeons who show up once a year or two to hunt, for example.

I don't actually think shtf will happen. Things will just continue to get worse and people will, by necessity, become less friendly to outsiders.

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Lol.  

The locals are aware of your bug out location and will get to it before you do.  Free gear and supplies.

I know the shopping locations in my area.

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They are definitely coming. Friends and family are coming first. That’s the plan. That has always been the plan.

I doubt anyone with a farm or property is really thinking they are going at it alone.

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My situation is kind of unique in that I live in downtown Tijuana.  IF I had enough heads up, I have property in CA and AZ that are well stocked for just such an event.  If I get caught on this side of the border my plan is to bug in.  I'm only a few miles from the San Ysidro border crossing.  I would wait for whatever u rest is going down before I hightailed it for the border.  I'm cool with my immediate neighbors so I figure I could last awhile buggin in.  But trying to make my way back to the US in a hostile situation is probably not a good idea especially on foot.  I would imagine the border would be an absolute shit show.

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Are you Anglo?  Because if you are, Tijuana wouldn't be my first choice for a SHTF scenario.

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For PERSEC say, all I will say is that I didn't grow in the burbs of Chicago, and I didn't spend most of my time in the hood.  I'm not trying to imply I grew up on a farm or anything like that, but I have spent some time in the sticks.   It would be like me assuming someone rural has never spent time in the city or the burbs.  You don't have to currently live in the city to know that the city would be a mess.  I don't have to be in the sticks to know that there are problems there as well.   I'm assuming you have friends and family in the city and burbs.  The reverse holds true.

And it does not matter who you are or where you live. Everyone has some fucked up relatives, and someone's ex-husband is always a shitbag (or some times it is the other way around, and it your blood that is the shitbag, and the ex is the better person), and there always a niece or nephew or step-cousin who runs with some shady-ass "friends" you don't trust.  Someone is always cheating on someone, and that causes friction.


That isn't to say the city or the burbs are better for SHTF.   Come end of the world, most everyone is probably screwed, but rural folks at least have a fighting chance, and I would rather be remote rural with a small network than anywhere else.    

What is quite ironic is the comment about "inventing problems", which seems to stem from a response to a self-created problem of making a roadblock during the fantasy problem of SHTF.

Hell, when we were out at a birthday tent party a few months ago, it was on the 13 acres family in-law has out in the sticks. We really wanted to buy the 7 acres next to them, but it got "sold" without actually going up for sale.  (The father died, and one brother sold the land without first consulting the other....that type of stuff). But it is OK because I'm now looking at rural land just over the border (outside of IL and its fucked up laws), just so I have 5 or so acres to shoot on.  
I add this because even if we would have gotten the 7 acres to go with their 13 acres (so we are sitting on 20 acres), I'm trying to imagine what good a roadblock would do, and how or why would we would man it 24/7.   I guess I could call "x" up and ask him if SHTF, would he man a roadblock 24/7, but I'm guessing he would think I was drunk or something.  

Of just internally, how many friends and family would head there if it were really that bad of an event.  That carries its own problems, but again I don't see people leaving home and heading there unless they were already near by and actually lost their own home.

I get any of the rural land I am eyeballing, what kind of confrontation would someone will have created by setting up a roadblock to stop me from getting to my own land (not that I would head there unless I was truly forced to leave home, and even then I would probably go to an unaffected part of the country if possible.)

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LOL, they better bring a lot of water.  And warm jackets.  And then they'd hit about three other towns first, which would thin the herd quite a bit because everyone has guns and in that scenario, would be not at all hesitant to use them.  But keep going.  It tickles my funny bone.

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If things get really desperate, imagine how cheap the hookers will get.

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Ah yeah, clean water (the kind most of us shit in everyday) is where the prepping fantasies fail. It’s hard to obtain, heavy and difficult to move, and requires infrastructure to store and filter properly.

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Or, you know...a well.

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Or, you know...a well.

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C'mon man! The hungry hordes can walk that in no time!

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Good to see some of the "apex predator" types and thieves are still outing themselves.

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Not sure why you’re fixated on manned road blocks.  I can take a skid loader, dozer or track hoe and make an impassable road block by destroying the road and creating a ditch.

It’s about limiting vehicular traffic to your immediate area.  You don’t cut every road, just enough to make it difficult to navigate.

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It was one of the initial comments, and a catalyst for how far fetched the scenarios are.

The whole thing is comical. It is just mental masturbation, and even then, it becomes "why"?

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That’s why these doomer/prepper threads become so useless. They become a never ending escalation of increasingly unlikely and ridiculous scenarios.

These guys living hours from civilization are much more likely die from some medical condition or emergency before they can get to an advanced medical care center far sooner than they will get the chance to live out their fantasies of setting up roadblocks and mowing down the invading hordes.

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When I lived in Indiana my goal in a SHTF situation was to get home.
I lived about 20 miles outside of Indy and had a route planned for walking to avoid all of the roads to my house if driving was not an option.
My route mostly following the right of way of high voltage lines to avoid private property.
To do this carried a 3 day GHB in my vehicle that was about 30 pounds and had all weather gear and winter clothing, water filtration and shelter.
Once home I had everything I needed for a prolonged stay of over 1 year.
The only access road to my home was about a mile long gravel road off an asphalt country road.
This gravel road could easily be blocked from vehicle traffic by using a chainsaw and dropping any of the hundreds of large trees along its route.
Doing this meant any traffic would then have to be on foot and they would have to first deal with neighbors who lived closer to the country road before getting to my house.

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If and I mean IF SHTF it really depends. I plan on being home or getting home in the event of an emergency. If a nuke goes off 30 miles away I might want to ride out the 30 day storm at home knowing anything that moves outside will die quickly. I live on the city limits and lots of people live around me, but a 10 minute drive will put you in rural areas quick with a huge State Park to the North. If Marshall Law is announced and roving gangs are breaking down my door to loot and kill us for our things I might pack up and leave for safety as we are too few in numbers and fire is a concern. I expect people to burn everyone out if you are not shot or shooting.

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1. Are there any targets in NH worth a nuke?
2. Marshall Law sounds like a good name for a neo-western, but what you're looking for is MARTIAL law.

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Or, you know...a well.

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A few posters mentioned that they live (or lived) 20 miles away from the city and there was a single road that could be blocked by a tree.   There is nothing wrong with that, but I would ask, what is the scenario in which you would drop a tree to block the road to vehicle traffic?  Doesn't that block out any medical or law enforcement vehicles?  Or what about people who lived there and are trying to get home?  Doesn't that also block you in?  

As for a nuclear bomb (which certainly qualifies as shit that has hit the fan), if you are 20 to 30 miles away from a nuke-u-lar blast, roving gangs will be the last thing on your mind.  Hope you are not downwind.

A nuclear bomb going off in a major city will have draw in the US military, the FBI, LEO's from everywhere and the Natty Guard.  The entire area will be LOCKED DOWN.    

I'll also go ahead and say it.  A nuclear bomb going off in the center of a city might reduce the number of gangs roaming around.  

If it is multiple cities hit by canned sunshine, and that turns into an all out nuclear exchange, well....it might have been better to be at ground zero.  

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