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Link Posted: 7/23/2019 10:48:27 AM EST
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Damn that's a good looking car.  I like it in white best, but the other colors are good too.
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If it was a low production Italian car, YouTubers would go crazy over it.  But because it's going to be fairly common on the street, with a relatively low price to buy, it won't be as appreciated.

But the C8 is every bit as sexy as much more expensive exotics.  I think I'm going to have to risk becoming a cliche (middle-aged man in a corvette) on this on.
Link Posted: 7/23/2019 10:52:17 AM EST
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If it was a low production Italian car, YouTubers would go crazy over it.  But because it's going to be fairly common on the street, with a relatively low price to buy, it won't be as appreciated.

But the C8 is every bit as sexy as much more expensive exotics.
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I agree. And the aftermarket is going to thrive. This car even in base, base form will be a nightmare for competitors.

This will rush Ferrari into releasing 2 cars. 1 a cheaper car, and 2 a new flagship that will probably get released prematurely.

The top 3 supercars makers do not like to be over shadowed by a GM...
Link Posted: 7/23/2019 11:22:40 AM EST
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My Audi's interior is on par with any current production Chevy/gm truck.

My brother just got a new 2500hd Sierra Denali. It is on par with my A8. The doors dont thud anymore. No rattles. No tinny stuff. Everything feels sturdy. Like I can slam stuff and not worry.

I think GM has heard the horror stories about door panels falling off. And electronics being funky.

The bluetooth integration is still fucked.
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Agree with you about Porsche interiors but I will cut them slack, they are a tiny car company.

Audi generally has awesome interiors.
My Audi's interior is on par with any current production Chevy/gm truck.

My brother just got a new 2500hd Sierra Denali. It is on par with my A8. The doors dont thud anymore. No rattles. No tinny stuff. Everything feels sturdy. Like I can slam stuff and not worry.

I think GM has heard the horror stories about door panels falling off. And electronics being funky.

The bluetooth integration is still fucked.


Unless your Audi is 20 years old or something, I find that very difficult to believe.

One of the things reviewers are ripping the new Silverado for is having a very cheap interior, even in the expensive luxury trims. The new for 2019 Silverado is being ranked behind the 2015+ F-150 in that category, and both of those have been completely overshadowed by the new Ram 1500.

GM cut corners and cheaped out on their single most important product. I wouldn't have high hopes here.
Link Posted: 7/23/2019 11:29:45 AM EST
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That flake gold is sexy! Never really considered a gold car before, but I dig that one.

On a side note, I was just in renewing the plates on my Tundra and noticed a sign on the wall saying something to the effect of a "light vehicle luxury tax" on anything with an MSRP over $150K. I knew such taxes existed, but it really hit me looking at that sign what a bunch of horse shit that is. You get dinged an ADDITIONAL $825 just because you have the audacity to have a nice car. They already get you in my state for the value of the car, but "hey... who's THIS GUY think he is with that car? Let's charge him up the ass for it!". I'll likely never incure that tax, but it's still total bullshit wealth redistribution class envy garbage.
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That flake gold is sexy! Never really considered a gold car before, but I dig that one.

On a side note, I was just in renewing the plates on my Tundra and noticed a sign on the wall saying something to the effect of a "light vehicle luxury tax" on anything with an MSRP over $150K. I knew such taxes existed, but it really hit me looking at that sign what a bunch of horse shit that is. You get dinged an ADDITIONAL $825 just because you have the audacity to have a nice car. They already get you in my state for the value of the car, but "hey... who's THIS GUY think he is with that car? Let's charge him up the ass for it!". I'll likely never incure that tax, but it's still total bullshit wealth redistribution class envy garbage.
Gold?

More like...

BROWN

Link Posted: 7/23/2019 11:38:03 AM EST
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I agree. And the aftermarket is going to thrive. This car even in base, base form will be a nightmare for competitors.

This will rush Ferrari into releasing 2 cars. 1 a cheaper car, and 2 a new flagship that will probably get released prematurely.

The top 3 supercars makers do not like to be over shadowed by a GM...
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If it was a low production Italian car, YouTubers would go crazy over it.  But because it's going to be fairly common on the street, with a relatively low price to buy, it won't be as appreciated.

But the C8 is every bit as sexy as much more expensive exotics.
I agree. And the aftermarket is going to thrive. This car even in base, base form will be a nightmare for competitors.

This will rush Ferrari into releasing 2 cars. 1 a cheaper car, and 2 a new flagship that will probably get released prematurely.

The top 3 supercars makers do not like to be over shadowed by a GM...
What???? Dude, exotic car owners drive exotics because every guy out there can't get one due to price. Ferrari isnt threatened by the c8.  Totally different market segment. How many Ferraris do you see in a month?  The c8 will be everywhere, no matter how good the performance is, its still a chevy...
Link Posted: 7/23/2019 11:50:33 AM EST
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What???? Dude, exotic car owners drive exotics because every guy out there can't get one due to price. Ferrari isnt threatened by the c8.  Totally different market segment. How many Ferraris do you see in a month?  The c8 will be everywhere, no matter how good the performance is, its still a chevy...
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This. Ferrari doesn't give a shit what GM does. They will still sell all the cars they sell.
Link Posted: 7/23/2019 12:35:31 PM EST
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This. Ferrari doesn't give a shit what GM does. They will still sell all the cars they sell.
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What???? Dude, exotic car owners drive exotics because every guy out there can't get one due to price. Ferrari isnt threatened by the c8.  Totally different market segment. How many Ferraris do you see in a month?  The c8 will be everywhere, no matter how good the performance is, its still a chevy...
This. Ferrari doesn't give a shit what GM does. They will still sell all the cars they sell.
They say the (it's still a Honda) NSX made Ferrari somewhat reliable. If you look at stuff coming out of Maranello pre and post NSX, the quality and reliability went way up.

The (it's still a Datsun) Miata did the same thing to the roadster market only it put entire companies out of business.
Link Posted: 7/23/2019 2:01:18 PM EST
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Gold?

More like...

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Well, depends, Geissele is doing the painting, so, one batch...
Link Posted: 7/23/2019 2:03:08 PM EST
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This. Ferrari doesn't give a shit what GM does. They will still sell all the cars they sell.
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What???? Dude, exotic car owners drive exotics because every guy out there can't get one due to price. Ferrari isnt threatened by the c8.  Totally different market segment. How many Ferraris do you see in a month?  The c8 will be everywhere, no matter how good the performance is, its still a chevy...
This. Ferrari doesn't give a shit what GM does. They will still sell all the cars they sell.
People that buy exotic cars are buying exclusivity.  They don't give two shits what the Corvette C8 can or can't do.  If anyone can own it they won't buy it.
Link Posted: 7/23/2019 2:04:00 PM EST
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They say the (it's still a Honda) NSX made Ferrari somewhat reliable. If you look at stuff coming out of Maranello pre and post NSX, the quality and reliability went way up.

The (it's still a Datsun) Miata did the same thing to the roadster market only it put entire companies out of business.
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Datsun 240 Z...
Link Posted: 7/23/2019 2:08:20 PM EST
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They say the (it's still a Honda) NSX made Ferrari somewhat reliable. If you look at stuff coming out of Maranello pre and post NSX, the quality and reliability went way up.

The (it's still a Datsun) Miata did the same thing to the roadster market only it put entire companies out of business.
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What???? Dude, exotic car owners drive exotics because every guy out there can't get one due to price. Ferrari isnt threatened by the c8.  Totally different market segment. How many Ferraris do you see in a month?  The c8 will be everywhere, no matter how good the performance is, its still a chevy...
This. Ferrari doesn't give a shit what GM does. They will still sell all the cars they sell.
They say the (it's still a Honda) NSX made Ferrari somewhat reliable. If you look at stuff coming out of Maranello pre and post NSX, the quality and reliability went way up.

The (it's still a Datsun) Miata did the same thing to the roadster market only it put entire companies out of business.
(Mazda Miata not Datsun or Nissan)

Most people who buy Ferraris and Lamborghinis buy those cars for their exclusivity and symbolic status.  There are better preforming cars that cost less.  But it's precisely because Ferrari and Lamborghinis are KNOWN to cost more that people covet them.

The C8 is going to sell well.  You'll see examples of them on the roads everywhere.  They will not have the status of a Ferrari or Lamborghini for this reason.

Still, as a car guy, I'd rather own the C8.  If it's like it's predecessors it can be driven daily, and won't be nearly as finicky as the Italians.
Link Posted: 7/23/2019 2:40:12 PM EST
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As I mentioned earlier, my 2018 Cayman GTS purchase is sidetracked learning more about the C8 as well as trying to estimate the impact of what appears to be a return of the 6 cyl to at least one other model or trim level in the 718 model line beyond the GTS and Spyder...or maybe even a wholesale replacement of the 4 turbo by the NA 6.  Hard to tell, lots of pics and speculation, but could be a while while that shakes out.  And no detailed pricing yet from Chevy.

I just don't want to get stuck with a massive depreciation hit on a 2018 GTS 4 cyl, but on the other hand, at some point they will fire sale these cars to make room and its a great car, esp if I hold it for a while.

What are good sources of car depreciation calculations?
Link Posted: 7/23/2019 3:07:44 PM EST
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The 488 is a nice car. As is the 458. I personally love the 458. But the LaFerrari is an echo chamber. They went so far to lighten the car it made it feel cheap. But you write that off because 1.4 million dollar car.

My dad's cousin is one of those guys that Ferrari calls to offer a car before they release it to the public.  He probably has 20 Ferraris. And I see him frequently.

I will get pictures next time I am over there to show that Ferrari also takes short cuts on their flagship.
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Very nice. I've never been close to a La Ferrari. Was supposed to take a maintenance run down to the SLC Ferrari dealer with my friend when the 458 Spider went down, but had other things going. I know that he said they had some sweet shit sitting down there at the time. That La Ferrari is one sexy ass car. I especially love the Aperta model. I would have one of those if money grew on trees. And an FxxK for track days!
Link Posted: 7/23/2019 3:10:27 PM EST
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If it was a low production Italian car, YouTubers would go crazy over it.  But because it's going to be fairly common on the street, with a relatively low price to buy, it won't be as appreciated.

But the C8 is every bit as sexy as much more expensive exotics.  I think I'm going to have to risk becoming a cliche (middle-aged man in a corvette) on this on.
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I agree with all of this. I've been completely Euro-centric in my car/motorcycle wants thus far, but the C8 changed that the instant I saw it. I too will eventually be a cliched "mid-life crisis guy in a Vette". Sucks to be such a cliché, but better than being a liberal cliché!
Link Posted: 7/23/2019 3:12:31 PM EST
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I agree. And the aftermarket is going to thrive. This car even in base, base form will be a nightmare for competitors.

This will rush Ferrari into releasing 2 cars. 1 a cheaper car, and 2 a new flagship that will probably get released prematurely.

The top 3 supercars makers do not like to be over shadowed by a GM...
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Agreed. I've been into red Italian cars for some time now, but at the same time I've always hated Ferrari's arrogance (instilled by the man Enzo himself). So if Chevy kicks them and everyone else in the balls with the C8... I'm surprisingly good with that. IMO... the competition will just make everything better... and maybe cheaper.
Link Posted: 7/23/2019 3:13:51 PM EST
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As I mentioned earlier, my 2018 Cayman GTS purchase is sidetracked learning more about the C8 as well as trying to estimate the impact of what appears to be a return of the 6 cyl to at least one other model or trim level in the 718 model line beyond the GTS and Spyder...or maybe even a wholesale replacement of the 4 turbo by the NA 6.  Hard to tell, lots of pics and speculation, but could be a while while that shakes out.  And no detailed pricing yet from Chevy.

I just don't want to get stuck with a massive depreciation hit on a 2018 GTS 4 cyl, but on the other hand, at some point they will fire sale these cars to make room and its a great car, esp if I hold it for a while.

What are good sources of car depreciation calculations?
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Anything other then some of the super limited exotics depreciates.  The 2016 Porsche Cayman GTS and GT4 have taken a much smaller hit than some regular cars.  They've held up rather well over the last 3 years, especially if the owner took care to kept the miles off the clock.

There is no predictor of future prices, it's all supply and demand.
Link Posted: 7/23/2019 3:16:50 PM EST
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What???? Dude, exotic car owners drive exotics because every guy out there can't get one due to price. Ferrari isnt threatened by the c8.  Totally different market segment. How many Ferraris do you see in a month?  The c8 will be everywhere, no matter how good the performance is, its still a chevy...
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I do agree with you on that. BUT... there will still be guys who would have bought an entry level Ferrari, that will buy the C8 if it works out well. You're right, Ferrari probably won't give a shit. But nevertheless... if the C8 is really good, it may still marginalize Ferrari more than they already are. It's not like you can't buy a better time-keeper than a Rolex for cheaper... so I get it. But still... anything that makes people think "hmmm... the Ferrari will cost me $200K more, but give me nothing in return other than exclusivity... I think I'll pass" may force Ferrari to step things up on their end. The cheaper Ferrari likely won't happen. But they may be "inspired" to build a BETTER, more impressive Ferrari. Enzo sure hated having his ass kicked by Ford back in the day.

P.S. He probably doesn't like having his corpse dug up and beaten year after year on F1 tracks around the world by Mercedes right now either!
Link Posted: 7/23/2019 3:25:57 PM EST
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I do agree with you on that. BUT... there will still be guys who would have bought an entry level Ferrari, that will buy the C8 if it works out well. You're right, Ferrari probably won't give a shit. But nevertheless... if the C8 is really good, it may still marginalize Ferrari more than they already are. It's not like you can't buy a better time-keeper than a Rolex for cheaper... so I get it. But still... anything that makes people think "hmmm... the Ferrari will cost me $200K more, but give me nothing in return other than exclusivity... I think I'll pass" may force Ferrari to step things up on their end. The cheaper Ferrari likely won't happen. But they may be "inspired" to build a BETTER, more impressive Ferrari. Enzo sure hated have his ass kicked by Ford back in the day.
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The thing that get's me about Ferraris is their finicky nature.  I have a neighbor who drives them.  But they're only occasional drivers, because they're coughing on hairball mechanical widgets all the time.   He had an old 308 that caught fire and burned up at the entrance of our neighborhood.  It was sad watching it go.

The aggravation, time, effort, and money to keep those Italians running is just not for me.

Don't get me wrong, I love their look, and sound.  But per dollar performance leaves me a little flat.
Link Posted: 7/23/2019 3:31:58 PM EST
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(Mazda Miata not Datsun or Nissan)

Most people who buy Ferraris and Lamborghinis buy those cars for their exclusivity and symbolic status.  There are better preforming cars that cost less.  But it's precisely because Ferrari and Lamborghinis are KNOWN to cost more that people covet them.

The C8 is going to sell well.  You'll see examples of them on the roads everywhere.  They will not have the status of a Ferrari or Lamborghini for this reason.

Still, as a car guy, I'd rather own the C8.  If it's like it's predecessors it can be driven daily, and won't be nearly as finicky as the Italians.
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What???? Dude, exotic car owners drive exotics because every guy out there can't get one due to price. Ferrari isnt threatened by the c8.  Totally different market segment. How many Ferraris do you see in a month?  The c8 will be everywhere, no matter how good the performance is, its still a chevy...
This. Ferrari doesn't give a shit what GM does. They will still sell all the cars they sell.
They say the (it's still a Honda) NSX made Ferrari somewhat reliable. If you look at stuff coming out of Maranello pre and post NSX, the quality and reliability went way up.

The (it's still a Datsun) Miata did the same thing to the roadster market only it put entire companies out of business.
(Mazda Miata not Datsun or Nissan)

Most people who buy Ferraris and Lamborghinis buy those cars for their exclusivity and symbolic status.  There are better preforming cars that cost less.  But it's precisely because Ferrari and Lamborghinis are KNOWN to cost more that people covet them.

The C8 is going to sell well.  You'll see examples of them on the roads everywhere.  They will not have the status of a Ferrari or Lamborghini for this reason.

Still, as a car guy, I'd rather own the C8.  If it's like it's predecessors it can be driven daily, and won't be nearly as finicky as the Italians.
I don't disagree. Ferrari ownership is much more than just the spec sheet.
However, to say that the Italians don't give a shit is wrong. I guarandamntee an eyebrow was raised, maybe not by sales but definitely the engineering dept.
Link Posted: 7/23/2019 3:43:21 PM EST
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The thing that get's me about Ferraris is their finicky nature.  I have a neighbor who drives them.  But they're only occasional drivers, because they're coughing on hairball mechanical widgets all the time.   He had an old 308 that caught fire and burned up at the entrance of our neighborhood.  It was sad watching it go.

The aggravation, time, effort, and money to keep those Italians running is just not for me.

Don't get me wrong, I love their look, and sound.  But per dollar performance leaves me a little flat.  
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I totally agree. My friend's 328, TR, 458(s), and F12 probably spent more time being trailered to the shop than driven. Granted, it's not because they were broken-down. But a big part of the Ferrari ownership experience is maintenance. It's like this elephant that's always in the room. Certainly can't have your local grease monkey wrenching your Ferrari. Same with most of those Euro exotics.

American car companies can't get away with making such "drama queen super model" cars. Americans will just ditch them and get a different car (from a different brand) if they think their car is a POS. Completely different demographic and driving style/goals... but nevertheless... normal people demand reliable, drama-free cars (at least for the first 100-200K miles). I've always wanted my very own Ferrari, but being that I was raised in a normal existence, I can't imagine that I wouldn't get tried of spending that kind of time and money having my car serviced all of the time. I just love to DRIVE. Not make trips and write checks to the dealership constantly. I have no personal experience with that stuff (nor will I likely ever will), other than observation and taking the word of the people I know who do have that experience. I'm no expert, but have been around it all enough to glean my own opinions about it. There are plenty of people out there who could "afford" a Ferrari, who really have no interest in playing that game. They choose other options instead. It's all good and I'm a fan of the supercar industry in general.
Link Posted: 7/23/2019 4:02:51 PM EST
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So this is what went along with my reservation.  No plans to give up my current C7 to get it. The C7 will remain my  daily driver (37K miles in 20 months). I enjoy driving a manual and don't see that changing. C8 becomes the weekend fun and road trip car.

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So this is what went along with my reservation.  No plans to give up my current C7 to get it. The C7 will remain my  daily driver (37K miles in 20 months). I enjoy driving a manual and don't see that changing. C8 becomes the weekend fun and road trip car.

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MERICA!!!
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Anything other then some of the super limited exotics depreciates.  The 2016 Porsche Cayman GTS and GT4 have taken a much smaller hit than some regular cars.  They've held up rather well over the last 3 years, especially if the owner took care to kept the miles off the clock.

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Thanks, pretty much what I thought, but was looking for some validation.  Most of the historical info I can find shows roughly 50% dep over 5 years.
Link Posted: 7/23/2019 4:13:44 PM EST
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https://theluggnutt.com/2019/07/21/commentary-i-am-truly-sorry-the-new-corvette-does-not-appeal-to-our-core-demographic-which-will-all-be-dead-soon/

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It is with great sadness that I must inform Corvette’s core demographic that the new C8 is not meant to appeal to them, but I can say we at General Motors also do not care, because most them of will be dead soon enough. When I first approved the new Corvette, one of my biggest worries was how this would play out with some of our most valued assets, our customers. Then I looked at their median age and realized a good portion would be taking dirt naps before the C8 was even rolling off the assembly line.

That is not to say the Corvette design is not iconic, but what I am saying is we needed to attract younger buyers who do not spend most their days sharing racist Facebook memes or spending hours at Costco taking all the free samples.

When the general public thinks of the Corvette, they think of open roads, throaty V8 engines, and old white men wearing those socks that prevent blood clots. You know just by looking when they climb out of their C5 that the Reaper is somewhere nearby. Once in a while one of them will trade in their C5 for a C7 but croak before the deposit is due, and as a successful business woman, I knew this was not viable for General Motors.

Porsche owners are pretty terrible but are not one step away from the pearly white gates, and Mustang owners usually have multiple felony convictions but are not worried Obama is using a microwave to read their minds. Have you ever seen either of them sitting around debating the finer points of the Eisenhower administration? Enough said.

In any case, it is my responsibly to position General Motors and Corvette for success far into the future and depending on a group of people who still bemoan the loss of Golden Girls was never going to workout long term.
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*Sets down gently, backs away, looks around shifty like.*
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Good stuff! At 51, I did/do like the C7, but not enough to lose sleep and plot eventual purchase. This Vette won't be your grandfather's Corvette. There are already lots of those to be found. The traditionalists may hate this car, but I guess we'll see if the complete change of direction translates to actual sales (and further R&D). I sure hope so!
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Well, depends, Geissele is doing the painting, so, one batch...
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Could be worse... could be FN, and then no two body panels would be the same shade of brown.

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Good stuff! At 51, I did/do like the C7, but not enough to lose sleep and plot eventual purchase. This Vette won't be your grandfather's Corvette. There are already lots of those to be found. The traditionalists may hate this car, but I guess we'll see if the complete change of direction translates to actual sales (and further R&D). I sure hope so!
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They've already position this Corvette for global sales with their ability to manufacture right hand drive models.  I can see it popular overseas.  I think this is going to really help GM.
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People that buy exotic cars are buying exclusivity.  They don't give two shits what the Corvette C8 can or can't do.  If anyone can own it they won't buy it.
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What???? Dude, exotic car owners drive exotics because every guy out there can't get one due to price. Ferrari isnt threatened by the c8.  Totally different market segment. How many Ferraris do you see in a month?  The c8 will be everywhere, no matter how good the performance is, its still a chevy...
This. Ferrari doesn't give a shit what GM does. They will still sell all the cars they sell.
People that buy exotic cars are buying exclusivity.  They don't give two shits what the Corvette C8 can or can't do.  If anyone can own it they won't buy it.
Yeah, but we are also approaching a time where the only thing exclusive is the price and name.

How many Ferrari owners use a common iPhone?  Cars are practically becoming mobile devices themselves.
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Yeah, but we are also approaching a time where the only thing exclusive is the price and name.

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We're seeing this across the board.  Price is becoming the only distinction.  I have an expensive briefcase that cost almost a thousand dollars.  But I'm well aware of the fact that there are options that are just as good that cost less than $100.   In the 1980's the difference between Ferraris and mass produced sport cars was dramatic, but not so much today.

Now it's all about the public knowing the price of exclusive brands.   It's not about the function.  That wasn't always the case.  A Ferrari will have more prestige as long as the wealthy are willing to buy them, and the wealthy will continue to buy them as long as they are exclusive and expensive.
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Good stuff! At 51, I did/do like the C7, but not enough to lose sleep and plot eventual purchase. This Vette won't be your grandfather's Corvette. There are already lots of those to be found. The traditionalists may hate this car, but I guess we'll see if the complete change of direction translates to actual sales (and further R&D). I sure hope so!
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Indeed. I’m not really in their demographic window yet (well, likely bordering it with the C8), and do lament the passing of the F-R vette but the show must go on.  GM has virtually exhausted the original layout short of starting a significant upmarket move with exotic materials and such, but that would lose one if the core tenets of the car, an everymans sports car.

The M-R move opens up a new ballpark for engineering and buries the needle for performance per dollar compared to anyone.

I’m looking forward to seeing it up close. I’m afraid I’ll have a hard time justifying a C8 and turbo MR2 sitting next each other... the old toyota might just have to go
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Corvette look like a cheap Lambo kit car and NOT A CORVETTE.  Would you accept a FWD Miata?  or a Mustang SUV?  fuck no, they should have CALLED IT SOMETHING ELSE
Camaro is dead in 4 years (no surprise when to get into one you need $40+ grand
Silverado looks like a fucking helmet

Yeah good job GM, golf clap.
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What???? Dude, exotic car owners drive exotics because every guy out there can't get one due to price. Ferrari isnt threatened by the c8.  Totally different market segment. How many Ferraris do you see in a month?  The c8 will be everywhere, no matter how good the performance is, its still a chevy...
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If performance differences are close enough to be academic, or enough that the Vette spanks the exotics just enough in tests & competition (eg. IMSA), then their status rep will feel it.  No sidestepping performance results at this level.  GM's biggest front end hurdles will be quality & reliability.
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Color matched accents or carbon flash accents....



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If performance differences are close enough to be academic, or enough that the Vette spanks the exotics just enough in tests & competition (eg. IMSA), then their status rep will feel it.  No sidestepping performance results at this level.  GM's biggest front end hurdles will be quality & reliability.
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This is where we are today.

I love great leather goods.  There are craftsman that produce great leather products.  But they have to charge high prices to pay for their craftsmanship.  And the truth is I can go on Amazon and buy leather products that are just as good, if function is the only consideration.  So what we have today is branding.  Branding that is KNOWN to all to be expensive and thus conveys status.

But it's really only the price.

The function is too damn close to justify that price.
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So this is what went along with my reservation.  No plans to give up my current C7 to get it. The C7 will remain my  daily driver (37K miles in 20 months). I enjoy driving a manual and don't see that changing. C8 becomes the weekend fun and road trip car.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/2262/Corvette_Stingray_2020__2__jpg-1027516.JPG
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@DavidC

May I ask what was required for the reservation?

Thanks
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@DavidC

May I ask what was required for the reservation?

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@Oakley

$1000 refundable deposit

You can go through the configurator and put in your dealer of choice; the dealer will contact you. I would use one of the big name high-volume dealers if possible (Kerbeck,  MacMulkin, Les Stanford, Criswell, etc.) because they won't be adding any dealer mark up and will have the volume to get the cars.

It's only a spot on the list; the dealer will contact you when it's your turn to specifically order the car you want. The deposit goes to the down payment.
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It's pretty straightforward go to the website and follow the instructions.
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Color matched accents or carbon flash accents....

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Color matched then paint the front piece black
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Color matched then paint the front piece black
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Nah, side scoop trim in carbon and definitely do the rear spoiler in carbon as it makes the rear look less bulky.
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I agree. And the aftermarket is going to thrive. This car even in base, base form will be a nightmare for competitors.

This will rush Ferrari into releasing 2 cars. 1 a cheaper car, and 2 a new flagship that will probably get released prematurely.

The top 3 supercars makers do not like to be over shadowed by a GM...
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I don’t think Ford is exactly excited about the Z06 C8, I’ll put  my money on the Z06 being comparable if not better than the GT
Link Posted: 7/23/2019 10:29:44 PM EST
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What???? Dude, exotic car owners drive exotics because every guy out there can't get one due to price. Ferrari isnt threatened by the c8.  Totally different market segment. How many Ferraris do you see in a month?  The c8 will be everywhere, no matter how good the performance is, its still a chevy...
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I live next to a very affluent area. I see Ferrari’s multiple times a week, most recently on the list of exotics was a Huracan, Huracan performate, mclaren 720s, 488 and an 812 super fast in one day. Grand sport/ZO6’s are every day but occurance. Make no mistake the C8 will be competing with these “exotics” but at 1/3 the price
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I live next to a very affluent area. I see Ferrari's multiple times a week, most recently on the list of exotics was a Huracan, Huracan performate, mclaren 720s, 488 and an 812 super fast in one day. Grand sport/ZO6's are every day but occurance. Make no mistake the C8 will be competing with these "exotics" but at 1/3 the price
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Color matched accents or carbon flash accents....

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If someone had shown those pictures 10 years ago, removed the Corvette badging, and told us it was a future Ferrari, we'd believe them.
Link Posted: 7/24/2019 5:42:31 AM EST
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I love it, at least in photos. Always been a Vette fan (have a couple now) and the new car is a great next step. After the initial rush dies down (and the first model year passes) my 1LE Camaro will make way for a Z51 C8. I can't wait to see them in person.
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I live next to a very affluent area. I see Ferrari’s multiple times a week, most recently on the list of exotics was a Huracan, Huracan performate, mclaren 720s, 488 and an 812 super fast in one day. Grand sport/ZO6’s are every day but occurance. Make no mistake the C8 will be competing with these “exotics” but at 1/3 the price
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Don't get me wrong.  I like the c8 a lot.  Fantastic bang for the buck.  Awesome that a guy like me can own one.

I would think the Lambo or Ferrari owner isn't usually buying for the low cost high performance that the c8 offers.  Exclusivity, wow factor, brand name and being in the rare super car club probably attracks the guy with enough $ to buy a super car.

The 911 type buyer probably looks at a vette vs porsche.  The super car guy adds a c8 to his collecton in the blink of an eye if he wants one.  I don't see him trading his ferrari for a c8.  I may be wrong...
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As I mentioned earlier, my 2018 Cayman GTS purchase is sidetracked learning more about the C8 as well as trying to estimate the impact of what appears to be a return of the 6 cyl to at least one other model or trim level in the 718 model line beyond the GTS and Spyder...or maybe even a wholesale replacement of the 4 turbo by the NA 6.  Hard to tell, lots of pics and speculation, but could be a while while that shakes out.  And no detailed pricing yet from Chevy.

I just don't want to get stuck with a massive depreciation hit on a 2018 GTS 4 cyl, but on the other hand, at some point they will fire sale these cars to make room and its a great car, esp if I hold it for a while.

What are good sources of car depreciation calculations?
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Insurance companies, car auctions and Galves will have that data. I have always wanted a Porsche and can tell you for fact that the first few years are brutal on depreciation. You will take like a 30-40% hit. Limited models like the GTS don't depreciate as much because there is strong demand for them.

For the auctions look at Manheim:

Manheim Auction

Here is the link to Galves. Galves is the book that the dealers use when you trade in a car. Galves data comes from the car auctions. You ever go to trade in a car and the guy pulls out a little book - that book is Galves.

Galves Market Data
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I don’t think Ford is exactly excited about the Z06 C8, I’ll put  my money on the Z06 being comparable if not better than the GT
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Look, I'm a bit of a Vette fanboy but until GM enters a C8 in Le mans and wins, you can't compare it to the GT.  But the GT is five times more expensive then a Z06 so it doesn't really matter.
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If someone had shown those pictures 10 years ago, removed the Corvette badging, and told us it was a future Ferrari, we'd believe them.  
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That's my issue with all Mid engine cars.  They all look pretty much the same.
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Look, I'm a bit of a Vette fanboy but until GM enters a C8 in Le mans and wins, you can't compare it to the GT.  But the GT is five times more expensive then a Z06 so it doesn't really matter.
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The C8.R is coming, and it will race at LeMans. Comparisons to the GT are natural given we are talking about Ford and Chevy here, but really there should be no comparison. You can't just decide to buy a GT, even if you have the $450k. You have to be deemed worthy by Ford. Once they go on sale late this year or early next, anyone with a few bucks and a decent credit rating will be able to buy a C8. You will see them everywhere.

C8.R in testing:
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