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Posted: 8/16/2019 7:38:15 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/16/2019 7:39:51 PM EDT
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That is a little disappointing. My V6 4-door sedan (really holds 4 adults, not 2 adults + 2 midgets) does 191 stock. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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194 mph stock?  And your's still probably cost more as well. |
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Posted: 8/17/2019 1:30:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: People who buy a Mclaren aren't buying the car for it's performance. The fact that a man of relatively modest means can own a C8 corvette, is why they won't buy a C8. An oil change on a Mclaren F1 is around $8,000, and it'll cost you about $30k per year to maintain. They're expensive as hell to buy, and expensive as hell to own, and everyone knows that. That's why people buy McLarens. 2020 IMSA series is going to be interesting. |
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Posted: 8/17/2019 8:34:30 AM EDT
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You’re going to need to provide some evidence.  505 HP, 443 LB-FT of Torque, 191 Top Speed, 3.8 0-60, $73,995 I expected the new mid-engine Corvette, a 2-seat sports car to break 200 mph. I was wrong on one detail about the Alfa. It technically holds 5 passengers, not 4. I wouldn't put more than 4 full size adults in it though. Click here for specifications Mine is blue 
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Posted: 8/17/2019 8:55:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio 505 HP, 443 LB-FT of Torque, 191 Top Speed, 3.8 0-60, $73,995 I expected the new mid-engine Corvette, a 2-seat sports car to break 200 mph. I was wrong on one detail about the Alfa. It technically holds 5 passengers, not 4. I wouldn't put more than 4 full size adults in it though. Click here for specifications Mine is blue https://i.imgur.com/MLQQmgt.jpg |
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Posted: 8/17/2019 9:08:32 AM EDT
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These are not the Alfa's of the 1980's.
The Giulia Quadrifoglio has had oil changes and a flat tire. The Stelvio has had oil changes. |
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Posted: 8/17/2019 9:10:15 AM EDT
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How long has it been in the shop? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio 505 HP, 443 LB-FT of Torque, 191 Top Speed, 3.8 0-60, $73,995 I expected the new mid-engine Corvette, a 2-seat sports car to break 200 mph. I was wrong on one detail about the Alfa. It technically holds 5 passengers, not 4. I wouldn't put more than 4 full size adults in it though. Click here for specifications Mine is blue https://i.imgur.com/MLQQmgt.jpg |
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Posted: 8/17/2019 9:27:04 AM EDT
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Wasn't it Car & Driver that said they really wanted to love the Alfa but it was basically a POS? My friend’s Guilia with the lowly 2.0t made it roughly 30k miles before having a bottom end issue, warranty engine replacement. Took nearly 90 days to complete |
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Posted: 8/17/2019 9:35:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio 505 HP, 443 LB-FT of Torque, 191 Top Speed, 3.8 0-60, $73,995 I expected the new mid-engine Corvette, a 2-seat sports car to break 200 mph. I was wrong on one detail about the Alfa. It technically holds 5 passengers, not 4. I wouldn't put more than 4 full size adults in it though. Click here for specifications Mine is blue |
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Posted: 8/17/2019 9:37:38 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/17/2019 9:49:37 AM EDT
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Rolled next to this one in traffic yesterday. Amazing looking vehicle. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/36516/25352C03-CFA1-44D8-B101-712FB89AE323_jpeg-1057466.JPG |
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Posted: 8/17/2019 9:59:26 AM EDT
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I haven't seen one in the wild yet. It does look pretty cool.
I wonder what upgrades they will introduce later. You know the $60k base model is not all they have planned. |
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Posted: 8/17/2019 10:27:16 AM EDT
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I haven't seen one in the wild yet. It does look pretty cool. I wonder what upgrades they will introduce later. You know the $60k base model is not all they have planned. |
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Posted: 8/17/2019 10:30:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That is fucking awesome! 
... the cynical side of me wonders if there will be a price hike next year. Maybe they are willing to sell at a loss for a year, just to keep their promise and to get the buzz/hope out there. Regardless, that is awesome. |
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Posted: 8/17/2019 10:43:22 AM EDT
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I bet they can't let Ford be the only ones with carbon fiber wheels. |
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Posted: 8/17/2019 10:54:49 AM EDT
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Kinda looks like a lightly camouflaged hard top convertible. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Rolled next to this one in traffic yesterday. Amazing looking vehicle. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/36516/25352C03-CFA1-44D8-B101-712FB89AE323_jpeg-1057466.JPG |
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Posted: 8/17/2019 11:01:22 AM EDT
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The C8, with it's ME layout Looks great on paper and with promo cars popping up everywhere in public, but I won't be surprised if there are some significant issues when it finally lands in that hands of real customers in 2020.
That said... We can be 99.95% confidant that this vehicle will end up being everything many of us have hoped for. Has there ever been a Corvette that was a complete flop? For arguments sake, let's just look at from the C5 onward. Sure, there have been some bad years (push rods, cooling, etc), but GM has always engineered fixes that find their way into subsequent model years. So even if we see problems with the 2020 C8 base, I'd bet that the 2022-?? base models are going to be excellent vehicles. |
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Posted: 8/17/2019 11:16:20 AM EDT
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Considering Koenigseggisengisenngggg patented the process of making Carbon fiber wheels, the process is licensed to make the wheel from them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I bet they can't let Ford be the only ones with carbon fiber wheels. |
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Posted: 8/17/2019 11:18:18 AM EDT
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People who buy a Mclaren aren't buying the car for it's performance. The fact that a man of relatively modest means can own a C8 corvette, is why they won't buy a C8. An oil change on a Mclaren F1 is around $8,000, and it'll cost you about $30k per year to maintain. They're expensive as hell to buy, and expensive as hell to own, and everyone knows that. That's why people buy McLarens. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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“Oh yeah! I forgot. I’m gonna pay another hundred grand to get walked on the highway by some good ol’ boy named Cleatus and his fat brother Roy!”  An oil change on a Mclaren F1 is around $8,000, and it'll cost you about $30k per year to maintain. They're expensive as hell to buy, and expensive as hell to own, and everyone knows that. That's why people buy McLarens. Just like the oil change on the bugattis. |
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Posted: 8/17/2019 11:23:17 AM EDT
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Isn’t it an $18,000 option (carbon track pack) on the gt500 |
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Posted: 8/17/2019 11:37:01 AM EDT
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you know those prices are just made up by the dealers right? Just like the oil change on the bugattis. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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“Oh yeah! I forgot. I’m gonna pay another hundred grand to get walked on the highway by some good ol’ boy named Cleatus and his fat brother Roy!” An oil change on a Mclaren F1 is around $8,000, and it'll cost you about $30k per year to maintain. They're expensive as hell to buy, and expensive as hell to own, and everyone knows that. That's why people buy McLarens. Just like the oil change on the bugattis. 99% of the people out there couldn't even do it themselves if they wanted to. Have you actually watched the video's of what it takes on the Bugatti? |
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Posted: 8/17/2019 11:38:18 AM EDT
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Isn’t it an $18,000 option (carbon track pack) on the gt500 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I bet they can't let Ford be the only ones with carbon fiber wheels. |
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Posted: 8/17/2019 12:13:17 PM EDT
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Is there any video of this thing actually going down a road??? Or better yet, around a track?
So far, it's only been youtube thumbnails, and show pony static displays. Does this thing even drive? I wan't to see one doing what it do dammit! |
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Posted: 8/17/2019 12:18:32 PM EDT
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Is there any video of this thing actually going down a road??? Or better yet, around a track? So far, it's only been youtube thumbnails, and show pony static displays. Does this thing even drive? I wan't to see one doing what it do dammit! https://www.google.com/search?q=C8+track+footage&safe=strict&source=lnms&tbm=vid&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiR04Sgp4rkAhXxg-AKHWaABUoQ_AUIESgB&biw=2195&bih=1125 |
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Posted: 8/17/2019 12:25:54 PM EDT
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Is there any video of this thing actually going down a road??? Or better yet, around a track? So far, it's only been youtube thumbnails, and show pony static displays. Does this thing even drive? I wan't to see one doing what it do dammit! |
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Posted: 8/17/2019 12:49:33 PM EDT
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Have you been living under a rock? https://www.google.com/search?q=C8+track+footage&safe=strict&source=lnms&tbm=vid&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiR04Sgp4rkAhXxg-AKHWaABUoQ_AUIESgB&biw=2195&bih=1125 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is there any video of this thing actually going down a road??? Or better yet, around a track? So far, it's only been youtube thumbnails, and show pony static displays. Does this thing even drive? I wan't to see one doing what it do dammit! https://www.google.com/search?q=C8+track+footage&safe=strict&source=lnms&tbm=vid&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiR04Sgp4rkAhXxg-AKHWaABUoQ_AUIESgB&biw=2195&bih=1125
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Posted: 8/17/2019 2:37:53 PM EDT
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I believe it's the first production car offered with them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I bet they can't let Ford be the only ones with carbon fiber wheels. |
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Posted: 8/17/2019 2:49:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Considering Koenigseggisengisenngggg patented the process of making Carbon fiber wheels, the process is licensed to make the wheel from them. |
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Posted: 8/17/2019 5:11:48 PM EDT
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Source? Carbon fiber wheels have been around the motorcycle world for a long time. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Considering Koenigseggisengisenngggg patented the process of making Carbon fiber wheels, the process is licensed to make the wheel from them. https://www.koenigsegg.com/innovations/ https://www.koenigsegg.com/koenigsegg-reinvents-wheel/ |
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Posted: 8/17/2019 7:51:42 PM EDT
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But can it do 0-100-0 in 10.6 seconds and less than 800’?
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Posted: 8/18/2019 8:59:43 AM EDT
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Why does a patent from Koenigsegg apply to a US manufacturer? Honest question.
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Posted: 8/18/2019 9:21:20 AM EDT
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Kinda looks like a lightly camouflaged hard top convertible. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Rolled next to this one in traffic yesterday. Amazing looking vehicle. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/36516/25352C03-CFA1-44D8-B101-712FB89AE323_jpeg-1057466.JPG |
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Posted: 8/18/2019 9:57:43 AM EDT
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Why does a patent from Koenigsegg apply to a US manufacturer? Honest question. Same thing. Granted the Chinese just ignore all patient laws but that's China for you. |
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Posted: 8/18/2019 10:06:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Apply your question the other way around. Is it fair for a U.S. company to spend the money and time acquiring talent and doing R&D on a product/ process and then have someone in Australia copy and sell it for a fraction of the investment, and undermine your ability to profit as you have to make up for the investment they don't by charging more. Same thing. Granted the Chinese just ignore all patient laws but that's China for you. I don't want to see carbon fiber stuff be locked behind incredibly expensive patents for the rest of my life, that's all. The wheels make a huge difference considering the rotational unsprung mass. Though, my problem is probably more along the lines of there already being some sort of regulatory agreement between nations that I don't know about. |
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Posted: 8/18/2019 10:27:56 AM EDT
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You do realize you can't pop into your local Jiffy Lube and get an oil change on one right? 99% of the people out there couldn't even do it themselves if they wanted to. Have you actually watched the video's of what it takes on the Bugatti? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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“Oh yeah! I forgot. I’m gonna pay another hundred grand to get walked on the highway by some good ol’ boy named Cleatus and his fat brother Roy!” An oil change on a Mclaren F1 is around $8,000, and it'll cost you about $30k per year to maintain. They're expensive as hell to buy, and expensive as hell to own, and everyone knows that. That's why people buy McLarens. Just like the oil change on the bugattis. 99% of the people out there couldn't even do it themselves if they wanted to. Have you actually watched the video's of what it takes on the Bugatti? My friends Jaguar F-Type R got its oil changed at the dealer. Apparently there are warnings all over the car about not overfilling the oil. The dealership overfilled the oil. Engine blew in less than 100 miles. Jaguar replaced the engine since it was their fault. But damn. My friend got rid of it because he said the new engine did not feel the same. |
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Posted: 8/18/2019 11:46:48 AM EDT
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You do realize you can't pop into your local Jiffy Lube and get an oil change on one right? 99% of the people out there couldn't even do it themselves if they wanted to. Have you actually watched the video's of what it takes on the Bugatti? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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“Oh yeah! I forgot. I’m gonna pay another hundred grand to get walked on the highway by some good ol’ boy named Cleatus and his fat brother Roy!” An oil change on a Mclaren F1 is around $8,000, and it'll cost you about $30k per year to maintain. They're expensive as hell to buy, and expensive as hell to own, and everyone knows that. That's why people buy McLarens. Just like the oil change on the bugattis. 99% of the people out there couldn't even do it themselves if they wanted to. Have you actually watched the video's of what it takes on the Bugatti? Yes I have. It's a dry sump that has coolers all over the chassis on the Bug. And yes I could do it....I've listed my creds before...but to give you an idea, by the time I was 12, I was machining my own high performance marine engines and rebuilding them and doing port work. I am lucky as I am a scion when it came to stuff like that. Given that, they way they do it is fucking stupid. They are literally unnecessarily removing very very expensive pieces of the car just to access the plugs. What they should be doing is using a system that manually forces new oil through the system while the old oil drains out one plug. Sure, they may go through a few gallons of oil, but you are not risking damaging pieces of CF that are thousands of dollars. It's essentially is like flushing a trans....so after you take your calc of what came out and what you put in. You check the level and run the car. Then you take a sample. Send it off overnight and by the next day you will get your TBN # telling you how much good oil you have versus old oil. If it checks out, your GTG. You have saved labor and mitigated risks. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk |
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Posted: 8/18/2019 1:33:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Apply your question the other way around. Is it fair for a U.S. company to spend the money and time acquiring talent and doing R&D on a product/ process and then have someone in Australia copy and sell it for a fraction of the investment, and undermine your ability to profit as you have to make up for the investment they don't by charging more. Same thing. Granted the Chinese just ignore all patient laws but that's China for you. |
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Posted: 8/18/2019 1:40:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @NIevo Yes I have. It's a dry sump that has coolers all over the chassis on the Bug. And yes I could do it....I've listed my creds before...but to give you an idea, by the time I was 12, I was machining my own high performance marine engines and rebuilding them and doing port work. I am lucky as I am a scion when it came to stuff like that. Given that, they way they do it is fucking stupid. They are literally unnecessarily removing very very expensive pieces of the car just to access the plugs. What they should be doing is using a system that manually forces new oil through the system while the old oil drains out one plug. Sure, they may go through a few gallons of oil, but you are not risking damaging pieces of CF that are thousands of dollars. It's essentially is like flushing a trans....so after you take your calc of what came out and what you put in. You check the level and run the car. Then you take a sample. Send it off overnight and by the next day you will get your TBN # telling you how much good oil you have versus old oil. If it checks out, your GTG. You have saved labor and mitigated risks. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk They have so many drain plugs because of the way the system is plumbed. If you were to hook up a pressure system to force fresh oil in and old out, there would be many, many areas where that detla V doesn't reach (and cannot reach) so no oil would be exchanged. We use that technique on some race cars because it makes it simple and does well enough. But it wouldn't work on that specific car. They have a shit ton of drain plugs for a reason. |
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Posted: 8/18/2019 1:58:21 PM EDT
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It seems like a good idea in theory, but in practice it wouldn't work - if your goal is a complete exchange of oil or even a mostly complete exchange. They have so many drain plugs because of the way the system is plumbed. If you were to hook up a pressure system to force fresh oil in and old out, there would be many, many areas where that detla V doesn't reach (and cannot reach) so no oil would be exchanged. We use that technique on some race cars because it makes it simple and does well enough. But it wouldn't work on that specific car. They have a shit ton of drain plugs for a reason. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: @NIevo Yes I have. It's a dry sump that has coolers all over the chassis on the Bug. And yes I could do it....I've listed my creds before...but to give you an idea, by the time I was 12, I was machining my own high performance marine engines and rebuilding them and doing port work. I am lucky as I am a scion when it came to stuff like that. Given that, they way they do it is fucking stupid. They are literally unnecessarily removing very very expensive pieces of the car just to access the plugs. What they should be doing is using a system that manually forces new oil through the system while the old oil drains out one plug. Sure, they may go through a few gallons of oil, but you are not risking damaging pieces of CF that are thousands of dollars. It's essentially is like flushing a trans....so after you take your calc of what came out and what you put in. You check the level and run the car. Then you take a sample. Send it off overnight and by the next day you will get your TBN # telling you how much good oil you have versus old oil. If it checks out, your GTG. You have saved labor and mitigated risks. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk They have so many drain plugs because of the way the system is plumbed. If you were to hook up a pressure system to force fresh oil in and old out, there would be many, many areas where that detla V doesn't reach (and cannot reach) so no oil would be exchanged. We use that technique on some race cars because it makes it simple and does well enough. But it wouldn't work on that specific car. They have a shit ton of drain plugs for a reason. 1) drain 2) fill 3) run engine for a few minutes to mix old and new oil 4) repeat In eight volumes of oil (which is only four full oil changes), you have 0.4% of the old oil left. |
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Posted: 8/18/2019 2:01:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Say that you can drain at max 50% of the oil volume from the best accessible plug. 1) drain 2) fill 3) run engine for a few minutes to mix old and new oil 4) repeat In eight volumes of oil (which is only four full oil changes), you have 0.4% of the old oil left. Luckily I don't have to concern myself with a veyron oil change. Lol |
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Posted: 8/18/2019 11:16:42 PM EDT
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A month after the release and we're still talking about this car on a site that is firearm-centric is news in an of itself.
The car sites/blogs are still running stories, youtube goons are still talking about the C8. When was the last time any manufacture generated this much (mostly positive) press with the release of a design? |
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Posted: 8/18/2019 11:22:21 PM EDT
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A month after the release and we're still talking about this car on a site that is firearm-centric is news in an of itself. The car sites/blogs are still running stories, youtube goons are still talking about the C8. When was the last time any manufacture generated this much (mostly positive) press with the release of a design? |
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Posted: 8/18/2019 11:34:00 PM EDT
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Wasn't it Car & Driver that said they really wanted to love the Alfa but it was basically a POS? The new SUV and sedan are fast as hell though in full loaded trim. |
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Posted: 8/20/2019 3:55:10 AM EDT
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Rolled next to this one in traffic yesterday. Amazing looking vehicle. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/36516/25352C03-CFA1-44D8-B101-712FB89AE323_jpeg-1057466.JPG 
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Posted: 8/20/2019 4:10:56 AM EDT
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C8 dealer tour list by state
Looks like GM is continuing the chopped look. Not so good for 6+ footers 
(Not me, some random guy from above link) No idea on headroom specs, but 15-20 odd yrs ago had truck in for svc, sat in vette in showroom and negative headroom (I'm 6'3"). Sales guy said "oh just lean the seat back". Neat. I want to look at the ceiling when I drive. No idea if C8 is better or worse, but seeing the GM Camaro styling mindset, not optimistic. ETA: that pic screams, no, howls "midlife crisis". |
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Posted: 8/20/2019 4:29:10 AM EDT
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I'm 6' 2" and had no issues with headroom in my C5. Daily drove it for 8 years.
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Posted: 8/20/2019 10:23:32 AM EDT
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I'm 6' 2" and had no issues with headroom in my C5. Daily drove it for 8 years. On the C8 note, while I have a deposit (refundable) and a place in late 2020 production I've decided to hold out for the convertible and will likely be picking up a 2019 Z06, new, for $69K next week. |
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Posted: 8/20/2019 1:37:53 PM EDT
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C8 dealer tour list by state Looks like GM is continuing the chopped look. Not so good for 6+ footers https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.corvetteforum.com-vbulletin/968x750/img_1777_f9fb8279f174594db96bc13e8be3a907ab6fadc9.jpg (Not me, some random guy from above link) No idea on headroom specs, but 15-20 odd yrs ago had truck in for svc, sat in vette in showroom and negative headroom (I'm 6'3"). Sales guy said "oh just lean the seat back". Neat. I want to look at the ceiling when I drive. No idea if C8 is better or worse, but seeing the GM Camaro styling mindset, not optimistic. ETA: that pic screams, no, howls "midlife crisis". |
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Posted: 8/20/2019 1:42:16 PM EDT
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There is a video where a reviewer who claims to be 6'6" sits in one with the top on and has room to spare. Legs are a little cramped but his head doesn't hit. I think the C8 is an improvement over the C7 in head room, the C7 is tight. Quote HistoryQuoted:
There is a video where a reviewer who claims to be 6'6" sits in one with the top on and has room to spare. Legs are a little cramped but his head doesn't hit. I think the C8 is an improvement over the C7 in head room, the C7 is tight. I'm 6'3' 255. It does look tight, but I wasn't able to adjust the seats since the battery was disconnected. The passenger seat was lower. Supposed to have more room than the C7, and over the last 5 years, I never felt that I was brushing the rooftop. |
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Posted: 8/20/2019 1:58:16 PM EDT
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