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Posted: 12/27/2022 12:53:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The brain dead idiots in the U.S. that think electricity just comes out of the wall need a real world example of why this is a terrible idea at this time, and they need it quick, and in a place that can be compared to the U.S. Do it, Canada. When half your population freezes to death because of country-wide blackouts in 2040, or the economy collapses because nobody can charge their car and go to work in July, maybe... MAYBE... it will sink into the brains of enough liberals to stop that shit here until the technology is ready. |
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Posted: 12/27/2022 12:54:09 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/27/2022 12:54:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wife's hybrid gets 10 mpg better than the non hybrid. Amazing since we don't live near a city. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Okay, Ill ask you the same question: Hybrids... why? We don't "need" them any more than we "need" EVs. Wife's hybrid gets 10 mpg better than the non hybrid. Amazing since we don't live near a city. |
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Posted: 12/27/2022 12:56:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: sounds good unless you grew up in the 70's without all that shit and no ac no power steering yep wonder years Quote HistoryQuoted: sounds good unless you grew up in the 70's without all that shit and no ac no power steering yep wonder years Quoted: Hybrid, eh. That seems like a compromise that acknowledges the EV craziness but provides some actual relief from the worst problems of the all-in vehicles. Me, I want to see a manufacturer offer a gasoline car, no black box, no subscription features, no wifi, no bluetooth, no nothing. Put the key in and drive. lol. Ain't holding my breath. The used car market seems better and better. News flash: power steering and AC exist outside EVs and black box cars. Enjoy your dead car when there's an extended outage. |
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Posted: 12/27/2022 12:58:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Took the guns. . On paper maybe but not one gun has actually been "taken". |
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Posted: 12/27/2022 1:00:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Canada is fucking gay |
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Posted: 12/27/2022 1:02:23 PM EDT
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news flash they were options and the poster said bare bones
Quote HistoryQuoted: News flash: power steering and AC exist outside EVs and black box cars. Enjoy your dead car when there's an extended outage. |
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Posted: 12/27/2022 1:03:29 PM EDT
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as much as I enjoyed gas lines and huge gas prices
how many gas stations work with no electricity solar power ? Quote HistoryQuoted: Enjoy your dead car when there's an extended outage. |
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Posted: 12/27/2022 1:08:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Okay, Ill ask you the same question: Hybrids... why? We don't "need" them any more than we "need" EVs. @runcible It is the better technology for free people, it is dual fuel. If the grid is down/charging stations offline, you could still use petrol or ethanol. And that is exactly why the government is mandating EV only. As others said, they want complete control over our lives. All the useful idiots will gladly sacrifice their autonomy to the governments climate gods and live under the yoke of authoritarianism. But I only used $3 in electricity! Wait until they roll out the mileage tax... Like I said, useful idiots... |
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Posted: 12/27/2022 1:09:32 PM EDT
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dumbest hat ever
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Posted: 12/27/2022 1:11:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A sensible future doesn't mandate people to buy or not buy things! It also would provide infrastructure backbone when pushing towards a different solution. I.e. more electric generation and distribution, and not just due to EVs but the push for electric heat / appliances / etc ...and the same government that wants to lock you down is also destroying the power grid with green initiatives funded with your tax dollars. They continue to get richer off your back, and your grandchildren get indentured servitude. |
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Posted: 12/27/2022 1:11:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You don't seem to get it. You're going on and on about a feature as if it were a bug. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The brain dead idiots in the U.S. that think electricity just comes out of the wall need a real world example of why this is a terrible idea at this time, and they need it quick, and in a place that can be compared to the U.S. Do it, Canada. When half your population freezes to death because of country-wide blackouts in 2040, or the economy collapses because nobody can charge their car and go to work in July, maybe... MAYBE... it will sink into the brains of enough liberals to stop that shit here until the technology is ready. |
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Posted: 12/27/2022 1:14:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You don't seem to get it. You're going on and on about a feature as if it were a bug. Exactly, they WANT half the population to die off to save the Earth. |
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Posted: 12/27/2022 1:19:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: as much as I enjoyed gas lines and huge gas prices how many gas stations work with no electricity solar power ? Quote HistoryQuoted: as much as I enjoyed gas lines and huge gas prices how many gas stations work with no electricity solar power ? Quoted: Enjoy your dead car when there's an extended outage. Just stop. "The poster" was me and you're being ridiculous. I sat in the gas lines of the late '70s. You're an EV fanboi, yay. I have a bunch of gas in cans. You have a couple extra battery packs for your car? Didn't think so. Mandates for EV only are stoopid. |
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Posted: 12/27/2022 1:25:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Exactly, they WANT half the population to die off to save the Earth. They are Thanos. |
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Posted: 12/27/2022 1:26:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hybrid, eh. That seems like a compromise that acknowledges the EV craziness but provides some actual relief from the worst problems of the all-in vehicles. Me, I want to see a manufacturer offer a gasoline car, no black box, no subscription features, no wifi, no bluetooth, no nothing. Put the key in and drive. lol. Ain't holding my breath. The used car market seems better and better. I got roasted for saying the same thing regarding trucks. |
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Posted: 12/27/2022 1:45:48 PM EDT
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Fuck ev’s
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Posted: 12/27/2022 1:48:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Every time I drive by a gas station in my lightning I giggle like a little girl flipping it off. Truck does everything I want and its why I purchased it, 3 bucks to fill it at home compared to 60+ So it is handling your Texas winter? |
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Posted: 12/27/2022 1:53:51 PM EDT
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not a fanboy at all I have a 1962 vw a 1971 gmc spirit and a 1972 international scout.
I have solar panels I just happen to have a 30 mile commute that a EV made 100% Smart sense to me. I got on the lightning wait list the day it opened and got my truck 3 weeks ago total out the door was 44K and all the tax payers are giving me 7500 rebate so its damn cheap for a bare bones truck vinyl interior ya that is right no walk up and unlock it did not even have heated seats when I ordered it but I got pushed to 23 and heated seats became standard. Just because people buy something that people claim will save the world means the buyer thinks the same way. it was bought 100% as a commuter car and grocery getter just cuz you are an EV hatter does not mean they dont make sense for some people Quote HistoryQuoted: Just stop. "The poster" was me and you're being ridiculous. I sat in the gas lines of the late '70s. You're an EV fanboi, yay. I have a bunch of gas in cans. You have a couple extra battery packs for your car? Didn't think so. Mandates for EV only are stoopid. |
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Posted: 12/27/2022 1:54:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So it is handling your Texas winter? no issues I lost like 15 miles total range makes no difference in my day to day life |
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Posted: 12/27/2022 1:55:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This isn’t about ev’s or the environment.This push is too big.This is about population reduction and control. Careful now, the Tesla ball gobblers will call you a conspiracy theorist. |
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Posted: 12/27/2022 1:58:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Careful now, the Tesla ball gobblers will call you a conspiracy theorist. LOL ya the average American home only has 1 vehicle. |
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Posted: 12/27/2022 2:00:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Exactly, they WANT half the population to die off to save the Earth. This is the serious and honest truth.The big money string pullers discuss this openly but media absolutely won’t cover it.They want population reduction on a massive scale.That’s why the leftist push abortion and LBGTQLMNOP so hard…The alphabet people can’t reproduce.If they can convince a sizable percentage of the population to cut off or alter their reproductive organs then they’ve gone a long way to reducing the population…This only ends or gets stopped one way and it’s gonna be UGLY. |
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Posted: 12/27/2022 2:30:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: not a fanboy at all I have a 1962 vw a 1971 gmc spirit and a 1972 international scout. I have solar panels I just happen to have a 30 mile commute that a EV made 100% Smart sense to me. I got on the lightning wait list the day it opened and got my truck 3 weeks ago total out the door was 44K and all the tax payers are giving me 7500 rebate so its damn cheap for a bare bones truck vinyl interior ya that is right no walk up and unlock it did not even have heated seats when I ordered it but I got pushed to 23 and heated seats became standard. Just because people buy something that people claim will save the world means the buyer thinks the same way. it was bought 100% as a commuter car and grocery getter just cuz you are an EV hatter does not mean they dont make sense for some people You are failing to see the big picture.... Big Government is mandating EVs, for everyone. What is comfortable to you is frightening to those that study history and know where this absolute control will lead us all. Capitalism and free markets are for rebels anyway, we need total government control and meddling in every aspect of our lives, da comrade?  |
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Posted: 12/27/2022 2:35:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This isn’t about ev’s or the environment.This push is too big.This is about population reduction and control. Yep and trudeau want's a big seat at the member's table. |
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Posted: 12/27/2022 2:40:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: as much as I enjoyed gas lines and huge gas prices how many gas stations work with no electricity solar power ? Gas station I worked at in the 80s could pump without electricity. Doesn't take that much of a generator to operate a gas pump. We had fuel contract for counties LEO, EMT. |
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Posted: 12/27/2022 2:54:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: news flash they were options and the poster said bare bones Quote HistoryQuoted: news flash they were options and the poster said bare bones Quoted: News flash: power steering and AC exist outside EVs and black box cars. Enjoy your dead car when there's an extended outage. Based on the way things are going (i.e. BMW and John Deere), new vehicles will be essentially bare bones unless you subscribe to the options. |
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Posted: 12/27/2022 3:18:34 PM EDT
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I get it me buying what I want is not free market Check
I should Listen to what others tell me to buy that is free market Check Quote HistoryQuoted: You are failing to see the big picture.... Big Government is mandating EVs, for everyone. What is comfortable to you is frightening to those that study history and know where this absolute control will lead us all. Capitalism and free markets are for rebels anyway, we need total government control and meddling in every aspect of our lives, da comrade? |
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Posted: 12/27/2022 3:23:09 PM EDT
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Pretty sure 99% of the folks in Ottawa have never even stepped foot in "real Canada".
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Posted: 12/27/2022 3:47:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You are correct. Any consequences have been entirely foreseen. All according to the plan. Why? @Antero Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No unforseen consequences there! Any consequences have been entirely foreseen. All according to the plan. Quoted: The future, a SENSIBLE future, would be hybrid cars. @Antero The reason I say this is because the hybrid is a balance between gasoline cars and electric cars. They use substantially less gasoline, they are zero emissions when running on the electric motor, yet they will never leave you stranded with a dead battery because it has a gasoline engine. Hybrids address concerns on all sides of the issue. |
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Posted: 12/27/2022 4:00:42 PM EDT
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So the only vehicle that will leave you stranded is a EV
Quote HistoryQuoted: The reason I say this is because the hybrid is a balance between gasoline cars and electric cars. They use substantially less gasoline, they are zero emissions when running on the electric motor, yet they will never leave you stranded with a dead battery because it has a gasoline engine. Hybrids address concerns on all sides of the issue. |
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Posted: 12/27/2022 4:40:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So the only vehicle that will leave you stranded is a EV Never leave you stranded with a dead battery. If you run your battery down on an EV and can’t find somewhere to charge, you have a problem. If your hybrid battery dies, you can easily jump it and be on your way. I suppose you could run out of gas, it does happen, but gas stations are everywhere compared to charging stations, at least for now. Any car can break down and leave you stranded. My point was a major concern among EV drivers is range anxiety. Hybrids alleviate that concern. |
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Posted: 12/27/2022 4:44:40 PM EDT
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It's not about the environment, it's really about killing half the population...for the environment.
The best plan they can come up with to kill half the population is making electric cars, because charging batteries isn't an efficient use of renewable energy, or even of off-peak nuclear power. They're going to stop producing ICE vehicles 12 years from now, because about 40 years from now when the ICE rolling stock finally is wearing out, 84 Y/O Klaus Schwab is worried that people will be free to drive to his house in Cologny from Canada and he'll want his privacy when he's 124. It's all about control, because refining gasoline is way easier to do in your garage than generating electricity is. This is what happens when you start with a conclusion and work backwards. The whole world is being conditioned not to think clearly. |
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Posted: 12/27/2022 4:48:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I get it me buying what I want is not free market Check I should Listen to what others tell me to buy that is free market Check Quote HistoryQuoted: I get it me buying what I want is not free market Check I should Listen to what others tell me to buy that is free market Check Quoted: You are failing to see the big picture.... Big Government is mandating EVs, for everyone. What is comfortable to you is frightening to those that study history and know where this absolute control will lead us all. Capitalism and free markets are for rebels anyway, we need total government control and meddling in every aspect of our lives, da comrade? Real fast since I can tell you are struggling... Nobody cares what you buy, matter of fact, that is how it should be. But the government is eliminating this option. All methods, choices, technologies are being forced out by their mandate for EVs ONLY. Do you get how this is the opposite of a free market? |
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Posted: 12/27/2022 6:32:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am sure the children in the Congo that mine the cobalt are very happy to read this thread. This goal is unobtainable until they find different minerals to build batterieswith.. What cobalt? |
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Posted: 12/27/2022 6:32:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I for one would really like to see how these things are doing in the cold weather. Teslas were the biggest selling car ever in Norway this year. |
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Posted: 12/27/2022 6:46:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The reason I say this is because the hybrid is a balance between gasoline cars and electric cars. They use substantially less gasoline, they are zero emissions when running on the electric motor, yet they will never leave you stranded with a dead battery because it has a gasoline engine. Hybrids address concerns on all sides of the issue. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: No unforseen consequences there! Any consequences have been entirely foreseen. All according to the plan. Quoted: The future, a SENSIBLE future, would be hybrid cars. @Antero The reason I say this is because the hybrid is a balance between gasoline cars and electric cars. They use substantially less gasoline, they are zero emissions when running on the electric motor, yet they will never leave you stranded with a dead battery because it has a gasoline engine. Hybrids address concerns on all sides of the issue. The battery just drives up the price. |
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Posted: 12/27/2022 6:59:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: no issues I lost like 15 miles total range makes no difference in my day to day life Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So it is handling your Texas winter? no issues I lost like 15 miles total range makes no difference in my day to day life If your response to governments forcing their people to transition to EVs is “meh…it won’t make any difference in my day to day life” then fuck you. I haven’t read the whole thread so I don’t know if that’s where you stand on that exact question, but that response seems to be increasing around here. People who keep essentially encouraging people to just “embrace it - it’s not that bad” are the equivalent of Fudds - “There’s nothing wrong with |
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Posted: 12/27/2022 8:01:30 PM EDT
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Someone may have mentioned Oregon. Here you go:
"Gas-powered cars, light-duty trucks and SUVs are on their way out in Oregon. Policymakers for the Oregon Department of Environmental Quality on Monday approved a rule that bans the sale of new gasoline-powered passenger vehicles in Oregon by 2035 Source |
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Posted: 12/27/2022 8:19:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If your response to governments forcing their people to transition to EVs is “meh…it won’t make any difference in my day to day life” then fuck you. I haven’t read the whole thread so I don’t know if that’s where you stand on that exact question, but that response seems to be increasing around here. People who keep essentially encouraging people to just “embrace it - it’s not that bad” are the equivalent of Fudds - “There’s nothing wrong with The problem here is that most people commenting are unable to separate actual pros and cons of EVs for a given use with their Emotional reaction to government mandates requiring them to be sold. They are two different issues. |
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Posted: 12/27/2022 8:21:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bet your ass the US tries to one up all the Leftist bullshit and try to do it as well if not sooner |
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Posted: 12/27/2022 8:23:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Exactly, they WANT half the population to die off to save the Earth. |
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Posted: 12/27/2022 8:31:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: more like 90% of the world population. I agree…and they absolutely positively aren’t even trying to hide it from anybody paying attention…Why is absolutely nobody in politics from either side discussing this.You can’t convince me that everyone in DC or wherever is on board with this. |
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Posted: 12/27/2022 11:47:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree…and they absolutely positively aren’t even trying to hide it from anybody paying attention…Why is absolutely nobody in politics from either side discussing this.You can’t convince me that everyone in DC or wherever is on board with this. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: more like 90% of the world population. I agree…and they absolutely positively aren’t even trying to hide it from anybody paying attention…Why is absolutely nobody in politics from either side discussing this.You can’t convince me that everyone in DC or wherever is on board with this. A few years ago arfcom would have generally been in favor of a smaller world population. Many still would be in private. Most of us agree that genocide or killing people off is bad. The question is whether voluntary lower birth rates worldwide are bad. Is a naturally declining population bad? Yes, very much so in the short term. Capitalism depends on growth. But longer term, it’s less cut and dry. |
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Posted: 12/27/2022 11:53:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A few years ago arfcom would have generally been in favor of a smaller world population. Many still would be in private. Most of us agree that genocide or killing people off is bad. The question is whether voluntary lower birth rates worldwide are bad. Is a naturally declining population bad? Yes, very much so in the short term. Capitalism depends on growth. But longer term, it’s less cut and dry. Can a smaller number of people live an even higher standard of living? |
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Posted: 12/28/2022 12:05:43 AM EDT
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Havana North
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Posted: 12/28/2022 12:25:16 AM EDT
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Even gassers will be required to have ability to be remotely shut down after 2026.
https://www.musclecarsandtrucks.com/biden-infrastructure-bill-vehicle-kill-switch-2026/ |
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Posted: 12/28/2022 12:30:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Many of you are assuming that EVs will be the same in 12 years as they are now I am against government mandates, but that is not a good assumption. |
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Posted: 12/28/2022 1:00:10 AM EDT
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Another as yet unannounced amazing feature of the electrics is when the appropriate moment arrives it locks you in and drives you and the family to the the nearest rail yard collection point...
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Posted: 12/28/2022 7:07:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A few years ago arfcom would have generally been in favor of a smaller world population. Many still would be in private. Most of us agree that genocide or killing people off is bad. The question is whether voluntary lower birth rates worldwide are bad. Is a naturally declining population bad? Yes, very much so in the short term. Capitalism depends on growth. But longer term, it’s less cut and dry. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: more like 90% of the world population. I agree…and they absolutely positively aren’t even trying to hide it from anybody paying attention…Why is absolutely nobody in politics from either side discussing this.You can’t convince me that everyone in DC or wherever is on board with this. A few years ago arfcom would have generally been in favor of a smaller world population. Many still would be in private. Most of us agree that genocide or killing people off is bad. The question is whether voluntary lower birth rates worldwide are bad. Is a naturally declining population bad? Yes, very much so in the short term. Capitalism depends on growth. But longer term, it’s less cut and dry. Half the world's population is teetering on the brink of a some humanitarian crisis or another at any given moment. What would it take to push them over? This is about eliminating the middle class, and turning the world into some neo-feudal two tier society of elites and slaves. |
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