I just watched that and it's "impossible" shots. The last guy, three hits in the head in 5.2 seconds.

Uh huh.

It's a 75 yard 8 MOA shot with a low recoil scopped rifle from a perch, and you have several seconds to fire 2 more shots.

I literally don't know a single rifleman who can't do that shot.

It's not really 3 shots in 6 seconds.  It's 2 more shots after the first shot, in 6 seconds.  LHO was a practiced rifleman.  Go to any high-power rifle match or vintage (bolt action) match. And you will easily watch old men able to do that with bad ees and iron sights.  Putting all 3 rounds into a black circle the size of a basketball at 200 yards.

Try it - turn on your stop watch.  Go BANG and hit START.  Work a bolt with your arms, quick aim, break, work bolt, quick aim, break.  How long did that take?  About 6 seconds.  Now add about a gallon of adrenaline.

All the pictures of the so-called pristine bullet show a lot of deformation but very little fragmentation.  I've heard that Connelly had multiple fragments in him that were never removed.  Are there X-ray images of those fragments?  If the fragments in him exceed what is missing from the "magic" bullet, would that not disprove that theory? What am I missing?

I'd like to see some corroboration that Hathcock actually said that.

Good quality photos of the assassination bullets.  Looks like one fragmented.

The "magic bullet" is the second most ridiculous part of the argument.

Bullets do goofy shit when flesh and bone gets in their path. Another thing most hunters have seen.

Oswald may or may not have acted alone, but the shots hevis said to have made are very possible, even easy depending on skill, and a bullet could very easily take the path that one is said to have made.

Good hit!

I used to hunt with a bolt action Mossberg 12 gauge. There were a couple times I got a pheasant with my second shot after missing the first.

There is no fucking way a Carcano bolt is harder to run than a Mossberg 395 bolt is.

Long winded way of saying I agree with you.

When you go up in that window and get a first hand look, you’ll see it’s not as far as most people think.

Neutron activation analysis studies were done of the recovered bullets and fragments-fragments taken from Connelly's wrist matched CE399, the so called magic bullet.

Are those fragments and the ones left in his body extremely small?   The pictures of the magic bullet just don't show much missing material.  And can we believe the people doing the testing?  It would be pretty easy to debunk the single bullet theory if the single bullet was not missing the fragments claimed to have come from it.

Does it really matter if Oswald could or could not have made the shot?  
Joe Kennedy Sr, JFK, and RFK all double crossed the mob. Oswald was a CIA operative. Jack Ruby was a mobster, Sam Giancana's man in Dallas. In that era, the mob and the CIA worked hand-in-hand because of shared objectives. Lots of powerful men wanted JFK dead. In a mob hit, there would have been backup shooters. Oswald would have been the patsy, and it would have been Ruby's job to get rid of him. When Ruby's plan that used fake Dallas cops failed, he had to finish it himself or suffer a gruesome mob execution. You can call it a conspiracy, but the pieces fit and the Hawks got their war in Vietnam.
There is talk about JFK's assassination in some mobster biographies like, I Heard You Paint Houses and Double Cross. Mob history is American history.

It isn't 3 shots in 6 seconds. It's 2 shots in 5.99.

Not to brag but the first deer I shot was running downhill away from me through a grove of aspens about 75 yards away.  Single shot blew out his liver.

Now I was using a scope but I don't think that it would be unique or difficult at all to hit a moving target in the open at 250 feet with iron sights.

ETA:  For the record I remain skeptical of the official account of the assassination.  But I wouldn't be intimidated by the shots because I've done similar shots before.

And 11 pages, and no one has posted this yet?

I can't duplicate a coup/insurrection without weapons or killing people either.

This

I have done this a few times deer hunting with a bolt action. Unfortunately the deer was hauling ass faster then the motorcade was and not traveling in a straight line.

Step away from the cracks pipe.

Yeah no such thing as a left handed zero. I can't believe that someone who has ever sighted in a scoped rifle would believe that it is different for left handed shooters

There was a discovery show where they recreated the "magic bullet". It was almost an exact duplicate, except that the bullet impact was slightly off, which caused it to hit another rib and end up not as "pristine". A big misconception is the assumption that all of the car seats were the same height and directly in line with each other, making people believe the bullet changed trajectory to hit Connally.

Under stress aiming at the most important man in the world while moving in a car? Not hardly.

Out of all the the theories I think the accidental shot coming from the secret service agent from the rear sounds the most feasible.

Have you been to Dealy Plaza?

Some people ignore reality to fit their preferred narrative

And use and abuse the verb, "think."

Bullshit! I own an almost identical Carcano and I shoot left-handed (like Oswald from my understanding). It’s an 88 yard straight-away, elevated shot from a bench. I am a mediocre shot on my best days and I HAVE put three shots inside the 9 ring in well under 10 seconds under similar conditions.

Of course, that’s all without the stress and adrenaline that I am sure comes from carrying-out and assignation but it is NOT an impossible shot and Oswald only connected 2 of 3 shots.

Thank you! I didn't want to appear stupid by questioning that, so I'm glad that someone addressed it. My thought that "zero is zero" regardless of which shoulder the rifle is fired from seems to b correct.

One of many

I think Oswald acted alone.  But we will never know when he made the decision to act.  

I think it’s likely he came up with the plan when the route was announced a few days prior to prior to JFK’s arrival.

He happened, by chance, to be working in a building along the route and he had access to a floor under construction where he could conceal his set up.  When he learned the motorcade would pass by, he only had a couple days to plan it.  And not much effort was needed at all.

He didn’t really have any exit strategy which also causes me to believe he saw the motorcade as a chance opportunity not requiring significant foresight and planning.

Not exactly good practice, but back before we actually learned good trigger control my brothers would all tell me my sights were off, because they were hitting to the right. I would then take my gun and hit center, but if I were shooting one of their guns the bullet would hit left. We all just assumed I shot goofy because I was left handed.

We were pulling shots to our strong side. It was a combination of poor trigger control, too tight of a grip, and adjusting for a consistent flinch.

Zero absolutely can change from shooter to shooter and from shoulder to shoulder. The shooter is the foundation against which the rifle recoils. Change the foundation, changes the recoil,  changes the poi.  

Not much, but enough depending on how much accuracy a particular shot requires.

Think about how much bedding affects rifle poi repeatability because of how the receiver recoils in the stock. Translate that to how the stock interfaces with the shooter.

Everybody knows Edward Morgan Blake made the kill shot.......

@ACDer
Looks like Jack Ruby could have had something to do with that.

I think that’s mostly a technique and flinching in anticipation of the upcoming felt recoil issue.  The recoil that occurs prior to the bullet leaving the barrel is almost inconsequential.  I’d argue that weather conditions have more of an effect on a grouping.

The mechanical zero doesn’t and hasn’t changed.  The gun’s movement has.

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My point is that if anyone would have seen  oswald during the shooting eating lunch, watching the motorcade or whatever, then he has an alibi, whether or not he was later killed by Ruby, and the frame up falls apart. Killing Oswald would still leave witnesses who could rule him out as the assassin. The supposed framers had to ensure he'd be alone during the shooting, even if they planned to kill him later-how did they do that?

People shoot OK under stress pretty often, otherwise there would be twice as many deer in the U.S. running around, and no-one would hit any targets whatsoever at CW or in Olympic biathlon.  

You might find it stressful to think about shooting JFK, but for all we know Oswald was mentally unbalanced enough that it was the calmest moment in his entire life.  

Nothing about the shooting part is complex, or remotely unbelievable.

I don’t believe the Hathcock quote at all. Easy shots.

The bullshit about the AR in the trailing car is just that; bullshit.

@DM1975  
There is a Dealy Plazza cam that is in or near the window thought to be the origin of the fatal shots.
Dealey Plaza cam
The text below the picture explains the camera location.

There should be zero. Mechanically there’s zero reason to have a shift. Many stages at matches have you shoot weak hand and paper shows there’s no change. Now a shooter might fuck up the fundamentals and have a shift but it’s not the rifles fault.

For you guys who say one shooter/three shots.

If the first shot was a miss (or, hit the trim of the windshield), how do you explain the bullet that hit under the overpass and showered the bystander with concrete fragments?

Or, the bullet retrieved from the grass on the left-hand-side of the car?

Or, the bullet through the windshield?

There's also the theory that LHO's first shot hit the traffic light which hung across the street, directly in his view/path.

I'm not trying to be difficult. I really don't get it.

No it's not.

This is the best public presentation I have seen.


The first shot missed and apparently went to the outside of the car to the shooter's right, where it would have impacted the pavement and continued on it's travels. It's entirely possible that is where it ended up.

Not aware of any bullet "retrieved from the grass".

The last shot that hit the President in the head hit the windshield, it was directly in line with that shot. A the moment of the last shot, the part of the street that the car was on was on a slight downhill slope, a different angle than the second shot which hit both President Kennedy and Governor Connelly.

Governor Connelly heard the report from the first shot's bullet which he described as passing by him on the right and he recognized it as a high velocity gunshot. You can see him rapidly turn to the right in response in the Zapruder film which is also discussed in the video above. The bullet could not have passed by the Governor if it hit the traffic light, which would have had obvious damage and been noticed if it had been hit.

It's really not complicated. One shooter fired three shots in about 8 1/2 seconds, two of the three hit his intended target. At between 50 and 90 yards, many deer hunters will do the same this fall/winter.

People also get wrapped up around the time, consider that it's not 3 shots in 8 1/2 seconds on demand as in a competition, the 8 1/2 seconds starts with the first shot. It's really two shots in 8 1/2 seconds - the first shot is the start signal, then there is 8 1/2 seconds for two follow up shots. Lots of time.

There is clear visual evidence from the Zapruder film of the impact of both shots; the second shot is pretty subtle, but he last is unmistakable for anyone who is familar with wound effects.

I still contend that in my youth, the Zapruder film that was broadcast on TV had the frame showing the big exit spray from the head shot deleted from the playback as it was too graphic for the era. I know I saw discussion of this somewhere but cannot find a current reference to it. I contend that showing the film with that frame missing is what led to a lot of the belief in a shot from the front.