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Posted: 2/9/2024 5:22:56 PM EDT
Lost both engines and didn't make it to the runway. Comments are saying it hit a truck and witnesses don't think anyone got out. ETA: 3 out of 5 on board got out
https://old.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/1amxw1n/challenger_lost_both_engines_and_crashed_on/ 
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Posted: 2/9/2024 5:24:52 PM EDT
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https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=ab3ce5&lat=26.224&lon=-81.684&zoom=12.2&showTrace=2024-02-09
https://www.flightaware.com/resources/registration/N823KD Looks like it was on approach to Naples and dropped onto I-75 |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 5:25:20 PM EDT
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Wow. Truck driver killed too Im assuming?
Imagine driving that truck. My first thought would be swerve to the shoulder without even checking your mirrors. |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 5:26:37 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/9/2024 5:27:04 PM EDT
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Left Ohio State University this am on direct to Naples..... wonder who was on it...
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Posted: 2/9/2024 5:27:50 PM EDT
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Damn!
That’s one of East Shores Jets. They got smacked by the FAA a few years back for unauthorized operations. 
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Posted: 2/9/2024 5:28:45 PM EDT
[#6]
Looks like someone failed with the fuel calculation.
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Posted: 2/9/2024 5:28:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Left Ohio State University this am on direct to Naples..... wonder who was on it... Someone of some notoriety I would assume. Sure some of our Ohio folks would recognize a name or 2. |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 5:29:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Left Ohio State University this am on direct to Naples..... wonder who was on it... Meh, no big loss for society. Sad people lost their lives but to care based on sportsy personalities is a misplaced life. |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 5:29:56 PM EDT
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https://www.naplesnews.com/story/news/local/2024/02/09/plane-crash-in-collier-county-shuts-southbound-interstate-lanes/72542174007/
News per ATC audio is saying lost an engine or both, which is really unusual on a landing scenario. |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 5:30:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=ab3ce5&lat=26.224&lon=-81.684&zoom=12.2&showTrace=2024-02-09 https://www.flightaware.com/resources/registration/N823KD Looks like it was on approach to Naples and dropped onto I-75 Holy shit. It flew almost right over my house shortly before it crashed. I’m shocked I haven’t heard any sirens or anything. When exactly did it crash? |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 5:30:56 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Meh, no big loss for society. Sad people lost their lives but to care based on sportsy personalities is a misplaced life. He just said "wonder who was on it", edgelord. |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 5:31:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Holy shit. It flew almost right over my house shortly before it crashed. I’m shocked I haven’t heard any sirens or anything. When exactly did it crash? Do you see a massive cloud of black smoke when you look outside? |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 5:31:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Holy shit. It flew almost right over my house shortly before it crashed. I’m shocked I haven’t heard any sirens or anything. When exactly did it crash? 3:10EST |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 5:32:34 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/9/2024 5:35:45 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/9/2024 5:38:25 PM EDT
[#16]
Dat truck in the median.
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Posted: 2/9/2024 5:39:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Someone of some notoriety I would assume. Sure some of our Ohio folks would recognize a name or 2. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Left Ohio State University this am on direct to Naples..... wonder who was on it... Someone of some notoriety I would assume. Sure some of our Ohio folks would recognize a name or 2. Maybe someone attached to the football program, could also be one of the docs or scientists from OSU hospital also... |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 5:42:23 PM EDT
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Looks like they got on the ground pretty good then likely hit a car or wall. The rear of the plane and rear gear looks fine. Sad.
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Posted: 2/9/2024 5:42:42 PM EDT
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Both engines?
Sounds like a fueling issue. |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 5:42:46 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Dat truck in the median. [tweet]https://twitter.com/mariaducato/status/1756058954788990988/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1756058954788990988[/tweet]
remove everything forward of "/mediaViewer..." @broken_reticle |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 5:46:37 PM EDT
[#21]
Just drove that stretch. Glad we missed it.
RIP. |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 5:47:11 PM EDT
[#22]
Those CL-30's get good range of 3300 miles and burn less than 300 gal/hr. No idea how they didn't fuel up for that flight... unless it was something stupid they did.
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Posted: 2/9/2024 5:48:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you see a massive cloud of black smoke when you look outside? Surprisingly no. |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 5:50:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Those CL-30's get good range of 3300 miles and burn less than 300 gal/hr. No idea how they didn't fuel up for that flight... unless it was something stupid they did. You typically carry just trip fuel, not fully topped off especially for a short trip around CONUS |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 5:51:04 PM EDT
[#25]
I can smell fuel.
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Posted: 2/9/2024 5:52:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Both engines? Sounds like a fueling issue. Could be anything from improper fuel management to DEF contamination at this point. No sense in speculation |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 5:57:35 PM EDT
[#27]
5 souls on board, 3 made it out.
Crash was on landing, wasn't a contamination issue. Fire says they had plenty. |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 5:58:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You typically carry just trip fuel, not fully topped off especially for a short trip around CONUS Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Those CL-30's get good range of 3300 miles and burn less than 300 gal/hr. No idea how they didn't fuel up for that flight... unless it was something stupid they did. You typically carry just trip fuel, not fully topped off especially for a short trip around CONUS Is that kind of flame, for that long, possible if the plane is out of fuel? |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 5:59:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 5 souls on board, 3 made it out. Crash was on landing, wasn't a contamination issue. Fire says they had plenty. The pilot called in the emergency and said he lost his engines. He was given clearance to land, but he said he wouldn’t make it and was aiming for the interstate. |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 6:01:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 5 souls on board, 3 made it out. Crash was on landing, wasn't a contamination issue. Fire says they had plenty. Thanks, I updated the OP with this. |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 6:02:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is that kind of flame, for that long, possible if the plane is out of fuel? Probably not, but someone mentioned that Fire Rescue said they detected plenty of jet fuel. |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 6:11:09 PM EDT
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 Attached File118/111 knots is very slow for that type. Hard leading edge super-critical airfoils don’t like slow. [edit] or any type of contamination. |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 6:15:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/301156/IMG_8583_jpeg-3123431.JPG 118/111 knots is very slow for that type. Hard leading edge super-critical airfoils don’t like slow. [edit] or any type of contamination. Vref in that thing is around 115 |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 6:16:54 PM EDT
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Holy shit, not often a dual engine aircraft loses both engines.
Fuel? We recently had an issue where de-ice fluid was placed in our fuel instead of PRIST. 
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Posted: 2/9/2024 6:18:05 PM EDT
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At first I was wondering why it landed into the flow of traffic. The marks on the walls make it look like it landed with traffic, then perhaps spun into the wall and then ended up 180 degrees to traffic.
Tag for more info on occupants and condition of the driver of the vehicle involved. |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 6:19:16 PM EDT
[#36]
Imagine sticking that landing only to hit a truck.
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Posted: 2/9/2024 6:21:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Imagine sticking that landing only to hit a truck. 
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Posted: 2/9/2024 6:22:51 PM EDT
[#38]
Those are ground speeds. No idea indicated but I figured they would have a headwind turning final.
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Posted: 2/9/2024 6:25:43 PM EDT
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And in other non-news, Friday afternoon I-75 traffic is at a standstill...again
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Posted: 2/9/2024 6:27:24 PM EDT
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604 losing both engines hmm
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Posted: 2/9/2024 6:31:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like someone failed with the fuel calculation. My guess also. Both don't quit unless they don't have fuel. |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 6:31:24 PM EDT
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well now I know why traffic is fucked
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Posted: 2/9/2024 6:34:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 604 losing both engines hmm Wonder if they had fuel but fell victim to the error of shutting down the good engine after losing the other engine. |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 6:36:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 604 losing both engines hmm out of gas yo |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 6:36:56 PM EDT
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So full fuel is approx 2500gallons/16500 pounds
Likely tankard fuel to Columbus which round trip dependent on winds and stuff is about half the 604 range. So based on the post accident fireball they either had a lot of contamination or just ran out of fuel |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 6:38:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My guess also. Both don't quit unless they don't have fuel. There’s many reasons why dual failures occur with plenty of fuel on board. Flt 1549 suffered dual engine failure due to birds. In 2008 British Airways 777 went down due to fuel icing on approach, DEF contamination knocked two Citations out both suffering dual engine failure a few years back. |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 6:38:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 5 souls on board, 3 made it out. Crash was on landing, wasn't a contamination issue. Fire says they had plenty. Three got out? That's amazing. |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 6:38:58 PM EDT
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ATC Audio Start 8 minutes into it.
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Posted: 2/9/2024 6:43:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So full fuel is approx 2500gallons/16500 pounds Likely tankard fuel to Columbus which round trip dependent on winds and stuff is about half the 604 range. So based on the post accident fireball they either had a lot of contamination or just ran out of fuel Maybe I am misunderstanding, 604 range is around 3800 n-miles, KOSU -> KAPF is 834nm. But 2 hrs and 850 miles of flying makes contamination a curious possibility. Weather was around 7knts, clouds broken at 5,000 feet and 74 degrees. Maybe birds? |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 7:17:15 PM EDT
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RIP ??
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