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Posted: 3/26/2014 5:10:49 PM EDT
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Damn you OP
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Posted: 3/27/2014 5:33:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Update, just got mine. The case has expected transit wear, but is in great shape. Inside, though? Everything is there, and... http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3800/13436763783_e95209d2ba_c.jpg It is brand freaking new, I doubt it was ever used outside at all. It even smells new. 1991 date of manufacture. http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7297/13436973764_9d176c9612_c.jpg It works, too. It's too windy out, or I'd take it outside and try it out. I am VERY pleased! Got mine yesterday too.. Although, it was definitely not new! Lucky you! The image quality is REALLY good for this price. I can't believe they had this technology when mine was built (1979). There's plenty of ambient light in my sub, so it literally looked like daylight. I would say it's at least as good as my friends Gen 2, although obviously heavy. Basically, all the sample pictures and videos don't do it justice, just like all NV via a cam. In addition, looking through the recital is awkward and is easier with my left eye. There's also a shutter in the eyepiece that I may remove so I don't have to press my head against it constantly (I'm not going to war and don't care about the green glow  ). The Bundeswehr green is nice and retro, but I may FDE Duracoat this thing at some point. This weekend I will get out to the desert to see what it can do in starlight/moonlight. I had some conflicting info on what mount I would need to get this on a picatinny (mostly from vendors not describing what they are selling in complete detail). Therefore, I've included detailed pics of the ARMS mount (19a) you will need - if you want quick detach :         |
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Posted: 3/27/2014 5:42:08 PM EDT
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Got mine yesterday too.. Although, it was definitely not new! Lucky you! The image quality is REALLY good for this price. I can't believe they had this technology when mine was built (1979). There's plenty of ambient light in my sub, so it literally looked like daylight. I would say it's at least as good as my friends Gen 2, although obviously heavy. Basically, all the sample pictures and videos don't do it justice, just like all NV via a cam. In addition, looking through the recital is awkward and is easier with my left eye. There's also a shutter in the eyepiece that I may remove so I don't have to press my head against it constantly (I'm not going to war and don't care about the green glow ). The Bundeswehr green is nice and retro, but I may FDE Duracoat this thing at some point. This weekend I will get out to the desert to see what it can do in starlight/moonlight.
I had some conflicting info on what mount I would need to get this on a picatinny (mostly from vendors not describing what they are selling in complete detail). Therefore, I've included detailed pics of the ARMS mount (19a) you will need - if you want quick detach : http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=62227 http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=62228 http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=62229 http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=62237 http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=62231 http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=62232 http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=62233 http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=62235 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Update, just got mine. The case has expected transit wear, but is in great shape. Inside, though? Everything is there, and... http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3800/13436763783_e95209d2ba_c.jpg It is brand freaking new, I doubt it was ever used outside at all. It even smells new. 1991 date of manufacture. http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7297/13436973764_9d176c9612_c.jpg It works, too. It's too windy out, or I'd take it outside and try it out. I am VERY pleased! Got mine yesterday too.. Although, it was definitely not new! Lucky you! The image quality is REALLY good for this price. I can't believe they had this technology when mine was built (1979). There's plenty of ambient light in my sub, so it literally looked like daylight. I would say it's at least as good as my friends Gen 2, although obviously heavy. Basically, all the sample pictures and videos don't do it justice, just like all NV via a cam. In addition, looking through the recital is awkward and is easier with my left eye. There's also a shutter in the eyepiece that I may remove so I don't have to press my head against it constantly (I'm not going to war and don't care about the green glow ). The Bundeswehr green is nice and retro, but I may FDE Duracoat this thing at some point. This weekend I will get out to the desert to see what it can do in starlight/moonlight.
I had some conflicting info on what mount I would need to get this on a picatinny (mostly from vendors not describing what they are selling in complete detail). Therefore, I've included detailed pics of the ARMS mount (19a) you will need - if you want quick detach : http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=62227 http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=62228 http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=62229 http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=62237 http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=62231 http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=62232 http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=62233 http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=62235 Mine is going on a G1 FAL, appropriately. 
Thanks for the mount info! |
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Posted: 3/27/2014 6:01:57 PM EDT
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arms mount
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Posted: 3/27/2014 6:07:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: arms mount I felt dirty when I bought it, but Mark doesn't make one...
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Posted: 3/27/2014 6:09:25 PM EDT
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Back in the '80s. that HK claw scope mount alone was $350.
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Posted: 3/27/2014 6:13:03 PM EDT
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That is a huge bitch. How does one even zero it?
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Posted: 3/27/2014 6:15:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: arms mount  ..ok what's wrong with them? That company pull a Troy Industries or something ?  |
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Posted: 3/27/2014 6:24:36 PM EDT
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..ok what's wrong with them? That company pull a Troy Industries or something ?
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arms mount ..ok what's wrong with them? That company pull a Troy Industries or something ?
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Posted: 3/27/2014 6:26:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ..ok what's wrong with them? That company pull a Troy Industries or something ? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: arms mount ..ok what's wrong with them? That company pull a Troy Industries or something ? Way worse |
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Posted: 3/27/2014 6:27:55 PM EDT
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Crap, now I'm curious. Not selling to civvies?
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Posted: 3/27/2014 6:30:56 PM EDT
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A buddy and I bought these a year or two ago and they worked great !! Came with 3 separate mounts for different weapon systems and run on standard "C" size batteries. Picture has some barely noticeable graining when in use. IIRC it's like 3 gen one tubes in series so each tube is amplifying the output of the previous tube giving it about gen 2 quality. The mounts alone are worth at least half the price of the entire package. Zeroed mine to my FAL, though mine didn't come with a user's manual I found one in English out at the KCR MG shoot for $20 IIRC. Search the web for cheapest pricing then get SPG to price match so if anything is wrong you have their return guarantee... SPG will price match? |
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Posted: 3/27/2014 6:51:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: SPG will price match? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: A buddy and I bought these a year or two ago and they worked great !! Came with 3 separate mounts for different weapon systems and run on standard "C" size batteries. Picture has some barely noticeable graining when in use. IIRC it's like 3 gen one tubes in series so each tube is amplifying the output of the previous tube giving it about gen 2 quality. The mounts alone are worth at least half the price of the entire package. Zeroed mine to my FAL, though mine didn't come with a user's manual I found one in English out at the KCR MG shoot for $20 IIRC. Search the web for cheapest pricing then get SPG to price match so if anything is wrong you have their return guarantee... SPG will price match? |
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Posted: 3/27/2014 6:56:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Crap, now I'm curious. Not selling to civvies? Lawsuit against LaRue? Don't know the whole story. Edit: the original I suppose: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_2_219/179975_.html |
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Posted: 3/27/2014 11:35:38 PM EDT
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Dang, I hope Copes gets more of these.
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Posted: 3/28/2014 5:20:44 AM EDT
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No idea. I bought mine from Copes, but maybe Luchs will chime in here as he seemed to have gotten a new one - that's a deal. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A buddy and I bought these a year or two ago and they worked great !! Came with 3 separate mounts for different weapon systems and run on standard "C" size batteries. Picture has some barely noticeable graining when in use. IIRC it's like 3 gen one tubes in series so each tube is amplifying the output of the previous tube giving it about gen 2 quality. The mounts alone are worth at least half the price of the entire package. Zeroed mine to my FAL, though mine didn't come with a user's manual I found one in English out at the KCR MG shoot for $20 IIRC. Search the web for cheapest pricing then get SPG to price match so if anything is wrong you have their return guarantee... SPG will price match? Mine's from Copes also. I apparently just got lucky with their random pick and got a new one. ETA: They may be back in stock at Cope's. The add to cart button is back.
http://www.copesdistributing.com/zeisseltro-orion-fero-night-vision-scope-p-7820.html |
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Posted: 3/28/2014 5:31:10 AM EDT
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How do you guys think this would do on an r700?
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Posted: 3/28/2014 5:34:39 AM EDT
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Keep in mind these dont have a huge range of adjustment when zeroing, iirc.
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Posted: 3/28/2014 5:36:26 AM EDT
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just a quick FYI, the zero adjustment range on these is fairly small, so keep that in mind.
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Posted: 3/28/2014 5:36:35 AM EDT
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Keep in mind these dont have a huge range of adjustment when zeroing, iirc. Gay |
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Posted: 3/28/2014 5:41:27 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/28/2014 5:46:11 AM EDT
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just a quick FYI, the zero adjustment range on these is fairly small, so keep that in mind. So these are better to be used with a ir laser? |
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Posted: 3/28/2014 7:11:25 AM EDT
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just a quick FYI, the zero adjustment range on these is fairly small, so keep that in mind. use a laser problem solved. |
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Posted: 3/28/2014 3:00:26 PM EDT
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Jeez.
I have a pvs14, and I sure as hell don't need one of these, but I am tempted. |
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Posted: 3/28/2014 3:07:37 PM EDT
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Found it - http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1120713_Why_the_hate_for_Dick_Swan__ARMS_mounts__.html Lawsuit against LaRue? Don't know the whole story. Edit: the original I suppose: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_2_219/179975_.html Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Crap, now I'm curious. Not selling to civvies? Lawsuit against LaRue? Don't know the whole story. Edit: the original I suppose: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_2_219/179975_.html Lawsuit alleging a patent/trademark on pretty much every term used to describe everything ever produced. Dammit, I used the word "term"... pretty sure that was in his list too. 
Paging Aimless... |
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Posted: 3/28/2014 5:26:51 PM EDT
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Does any other company make a STANAG adapter?
I bought one of these scopes but don't want to support ARMS ETA: looks like for 15 bucks UTG offers one
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Posted: 3/28/2014 5:40:00 PM EDT
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Does any other company make a STANAG adapter? I bought one of these scopes but don't want to support ARMS For older gear you may not have a choice. |
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Posted: 3/28/2014 5:47:53 PM EDT
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Try Google or Gunbroker. Apex Gun Parts has a damaged one for $325. God I hate those things...I think we have a dozen or so. |
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Posted: 3/28/2014 9:54:57 PM EDT
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If you guys are worried about the 1000 hour "Life" keep in mind thats more of a half life, the image may dim to about half of its original brightness in that time, and than in another 1000 hours may dim half of that, its not a lifespan like an incandescent bulb, where it just burns out and becomes unusable. one of the problems with these scopes being gen 1 cascade is Streaking when passing a light source through the viewing area.
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Posted: 3/29/2014 6:05:39 AM EDT
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So, what's the actual weight of the scope itself?
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Posted: 3/29/2014 6:20:40 AM EDT
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Is Copes GTG? I seem to remember an outfit mentioned here on ARFCOM that was fairly big but had a bad reputation. Not saying that its Copes, just curious. I would say we are GTG.....We sold over 200 of these in the last 3 weeks....If you ever have a problem email or call us...We always make it right..... 
A self plug....We have Blem AR15 Lowers for $41.99ea..... 
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Posted: 3/29/2014 7:42:21 AM EDT
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I would say we are GTG.....We sold over 200 of these in the last 3 weeks....If you ever have a problem email or call us...We always make it right.....
A self plug....We have Blem AR15 Lowers for $41.99ea..... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is Copes GTG? I seem to remember an outfit mentioned here on ARFCOM that was fairly big but had a bad reputation. Not saying that its Copes, just curious. I would say we are GTG.....We sold over 200 of these in the last 3 weeks....If you ever have a problem email or call us...We always make it right.....
A self plug....We have Blem AR15 Lowers for $41.99ea..... Yup, Copes is good to go. I've ordered many times, and had a few issues. Once a box of ammo was stolen off of my porch before I got home. Emailed Copes and they sent a replacement the next day. On this order my scope was missing one of the mounts. I emailed them and they sent a replacement the next day. And then there was this package. 
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Posted: 3/29/2014 8:03:40 AM EDT
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Yup, Copes is good to go. I've ordered many times, and had a few issues. Once a box of ammo was stolen off of my porch before I got home. Emailed Copes and they sent a replacement the next day. On this order my scope was missing one of the mounts. I emailed them and they sent a replacement the next day. And then there was this package. <a href="http://s49.photobucket.com/user/jd19welder/media/dedfdd8d-8b3c-485e-a9b0-11b35a74e492_zps6ede69e1.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f267/jd19welder/dedfdd8d-8b3c-485e-a9b0-11b35a74e492_zps6ede69e1.jpg</a> <a href="http://s49.photobucket.com/user/jd19welder/media/100_0101.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f267/jd19welder/100_0101.jpg</a> Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is Copes GTG? I seem to remember an outfit mentioned here on ARFCOM that was fairly big but had a bad reputation. Not saying that its Copes, just curious. I would say we are GTG.....We sold over 200 of these in the last 3 weeks....If you ever have a problem email or call us...We always make it right.....
A self plug....We have Blem AR15 Lowers for $41.99ea..... Yup, Copes is good to go. I've ordered many times, and had a few issues. Once a box of ammo was stolen off of my porch before I got home. Emailed Copes and they sent a replacement the next day. On this order my scope was missing one of the mounts. I emailed them and they sent a replacement the next day. And then there was this package. <a href="http://s49.photobucket.com/user/jd19welder/media/dedfdd8d-8b3c-485e-a9b0-11b35a74e492_zps6ede69e1.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f267/jd19welder/dedfdd8d-8b3c-485e-a9b0-11b35a74e492_zps6ede69e1.jpg</a> <a href="http://s49.photobucket.com/user/jd19welder/media/100_0101.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f267/jd19welder/100_0101.jpg</a> Agreed, Copes is definitely good to go. I have no hesitation about buying from them much like AIM, Rainier, DSG, LaRue etc etc. |
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Posted: 3/29/2014 8:29:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: God I hate those things...I think we have a dozen or so. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Try Google or Gunbroker. Apex Gun Parts has a damaged one for $325. God I hate those things...I think we have a dozen or so. I like mine, but when it was new and black I didn't (hard to see what was what). Malcomar made a video of how it works. |
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Posted: 3/29/2014 8:31:20 AM EDT
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I noticed my Z51 scope has a mount on top (4 holes) which I assume is for an IR illuminater. Even though these are passive an IR-I may help increase its clarity in a no star light situation. Has anyone tried mounting a small commercial IR-I on one of these? Just curious if doing so would make the clarity even better. I know in combat you would not want an IR-I, but for our use it may be worth it...thoughts?
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Posted: 3/29/2014 9:08:42 AM EDT
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Jeez. I have a pvs14, and I sure as hell don't need one of these, but I am tempted. I have both. The Zeus almost gives as good of a picture as my headmount. I use the Zeus for shooting small varments from the back porch with a .22. I bought mine for $500 and it was worth every penny. I also use it with a small mounted IR light. Eta: suppose to be spelled zeiss, damn tablet spell corrector! |
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Posted: 3/29/2014 9:29:15 AM EDT
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Lawsuit alleging a patent/trademark on pretty much every term used to describe everything ever produced. Dammit, I used the word "term"... pretty sure that was in his list too.
Paging Aimless... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Crap, now I'm curious. Not selling to civvies? Lawsuit against LaRue? Don't know the whole story. Edit: the original I suppose: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_2_219/179975_.html Lawsuit alleging a patent/trademark on pretty much every term used to describe everything ever produced. Dammit, I used the word "term"... pretty sure that was in his list too.
Paging Aimless... I'm going to trademark the letter "e" |
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Posted: 3/29/2014 9:57:50 AM EDT
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Went to sight mine in yesterday, and since my PTR has some alignment issues (2 other scopes needed shims) my center is exactly between the center
dot and the 2nd from the top dot. . . not enough travel in either direction  .... however I did accidentally leave the power "on" when I put it away around 3 PM
and when I got home at 6, opened the case it was still on (granted it was not magnifying any light while in the case) I've heard the batts on some other units (PULSAR) barely last 20 minutes. |
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Posted: 3/29/2014 7:40:24 PM EDT
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I would say we are GTG.....We sold over 200 of these in the last 3 weeks....If you ever have a problem email or call us...We always make it right.....
A self plug....We have Blem AR15 Lowers for $41.99ea..... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is Copes GTG? I seem to remember an outfit mentioned here on ARFCOM that was fairly big but had a bad reputation. Not saying that its Copes, just curious. I would say we are GTG.....We sold over 200 of these in the last 3 weeks....If you ever have a problem email or call us...We always make it right.....
A self plug....We have Blem AR15 Lowers for $41.99ea..... Good cause I went to your site last night and the "out of stock" notice was gone and y'all took my money so I hope I have a Zeiss shipping out Monday morning.
ETA: And I think I remember now, it was Botac that has the bad rep if I remember correctly. |
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Posted: 3/29/2014 8:38:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So, what's the actual weight of the scope itself? ....took it out tonight in the desert. Just starlight and some ambient glow from Phoenix and still can't believe how good these are for their age . Now that I have the nv bug, I am buying a pvs 14 just to helmet mount. This will stay on the German 308 as it will destroy the pvs14  |
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Posted: 3/29/2014 8:45:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Went to sight mine in yesterday, and since my PTR has some alignment issues (2 other scopes needed shims) my center is exactly between the center dot and the 2nd from the top dot. . . not enough travel in either direction .... however I did accidentally leave the power "on" when I put it away around 3 PM and when I got home at 6, opened the case it was still on (granted it was not magnifying any light while in the case) I've heard the batts on some other units (PULSAR) barely last 20 minutes. |
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Posted: 3/29/2014 8:49:16 PM EDT
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So, what's the actual weight of the scope itself? Don't mind the disaster, I need to clean up my gun room. 
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Posted: 3/30/2014 10:48:22 PM EDT
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Just ordered one of these, figure might as well give it a try to play around with.
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Posted: 3/30/2014 11:13:04 PM EDT
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Between a PVS-4 which is going from 700 to 1200 in my neck of the woods....is this better or equal?
Seems everyone that has one is happy with it. |
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Posted: 3/30/2014 11:26:49 PM EDT
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Might be fun for some Coyote night hunting...
Might have to check this out. |
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Posted: 3/30/2014 11:58:13 PM EDT
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I already own PVS 7B's, and some Russian thing that smells like dead fish when I open the can...
Now I have to have this
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Posted: 3/31/2014 11:21:19 AM EDT
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I have one I received from dans ammo, its a brand new 1992 works great, BUT I may sell because TNVC just put out those PVS-4's!
Anyone interested IM me. I have an arms 19 on order should have it a in few days. |
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Posted: 4/3/2014 6:16:27 PM EDT
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Anybody get that green canvas carrying bag?
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Posted: 4/3/2014 6:20:17 PM EDT
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Just found this thread.
That thing is fucking gigantic. |
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Posted: 4/3/2014 6:21:56 PM EDT
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Anybody get that green canvas carrying bag? Nope
Gotta find something for it to fit in to pack it around. Not gonna haul around a 30 pound case
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