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Posted: 2/25/2023 9:14:26 PM EDT
The plane that burned into the ice on the St Louis river near the swing bridge in Duluth MN was flown by a design engineer for Cirrus. He helped design the Cirrus jet.
https://www.fox21online.com/2023/02/24/pilot-who-crashed-into-st-louis-river-was-cirrus-design-engineer/ "According to David’s brother, Daniel, he was a “brilliant” design engineer for Cirrus Aircraft in Duluth. “David was instrumental in the design of the Cirrus single engine private jet that recently won the coveted “Collier Aviation” award,” Daniel said in a social media post." Looks like it was a Cirrus GTS carbon SR22. |
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I wonder if one of those ballistic parachutes would have helped in that scenario. I'm not an aviation guy, though.
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Quoted: I wonder if one of those ballistic parachutes would have helped in that scenario. I'm not an aviation guy, though. View Quote I don't think so.. https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N929DR/history/20230224/2203ZZ/KDLH/L%2b46%252e73689%2b%252d92%252e16015 I think he was too fast and too low. |
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I don’t trust carbon fiber.
Rip….. and prayers for the family. |
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Quoted: I don't think so.. https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N929DR/history/20230224/2203ZZ/KDLH/L%2b46%252e73689%2b%252d92%252e16015 I think he was too fast and too low. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I wonder if one of those ballistic parachutes would have helped in that scenario. I'm not an aviation guy, though. I don't think so.. https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N929DR/history/20230224/2203ZZ/KDLH/L%2b46%252e73689%2b%252d92%252e16015 I think he was too fast and too low. 2000 feet under 140 he can pull it |
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Quoted: I don't think so.. https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N929DR/history/20230224/2203ZZ/KDLH/L%2b46%252e73689%2b%252d92%252e16015 I think he was too fast and too low. View Quote It was close Odd he was still low He was a Chief Engineer |
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Quoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/284263/0790D0F5-2305-4C4C-898B-7C6D6B9D0D57-2725450.jpg 2000 feet under 140 he can pull it View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I wonder if one of those ballistic parachutes would have helped in that scenario. I'm not an aviation guy, though. I don't think so.. https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N929DR/history/20230224/2203ZZ/KDLH/L%2b46%252e73689%2b%252d92%252e16015 I think he was too fast and too low. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/284263/0790D0F5-2305-4C4C-898B-7C6D6B9D0D57-2725450.jpg 2000 feet under 140 he can pull it Looks like he was heading for the Superior airport and burned in on the way. Everything I am finding, it looks like he was around 152 before the track ends. At one point he was doing 180. |
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My oldest sons friend is engineer for Cirrus and was up in Minnesota last month snowmobiling and was up in one of their planes. Horrible news. Attached File
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Quoted: "According to David’s brother, Daniel, he was a “brilliant” design engineer for Cirrus Aircraft in Duluth. View Quote Sounds like he wasn't brilliant enough. |
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Quoted: My oldest sons friend is engineer for Cirrus and was up in Minnesota last month snowmobiling and was up in one of their planes. Horrible news.https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/148262/Screenshot_20230225-213612_Instagram_jpg-2725538.JPG View Quote Somewhere I have pictures of my boys in a Cirrus Vision jet when people were still screaming "Vapor ware" at me for posting the pics. That is a cool plane. It is horrible news. |
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Quoted: This. Not a simple engine failure. What was the weather? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: This one doesn't make a lot of sense to me. This. Not a simple engine failure. What was the weather? Weather reported about the accident time (2207Z) KDLH 242255Z 22006KT 10SM SCT085 M12/M22 A3046 RMK AO2 SLP361 T11221217 KDLH 242155Z VRB05KT 10SM CLR M12/M22 A3048 RMK AO2 SLP366 T11221222 |
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Quoted: Sounds like he wasn't brilliant enough. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: "According to David’s brother, Daniel, he was a “brilliant” design engineer for Cirrus Aircraft in Duluth. Sounds like he wasn't brilliant enough. If planes were the only transportation available, most people would only be able to walk. Of those who were able to fly, many would find that 3rd axis problematic at best. |
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Sticking a plane in a river ranks right up with the top places I would NOT want to crash.
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The last 600 ft of descent was at -1161 fpm avg, for 31 seconds.
Last 600 ft down slowed from 135 kts to 128 kts. Last 54 seconds had pretty steady heading about 140 deg. Starting the last two minutes, speed was about 150 kts for the first minute and a half and then decreased to 128 kts at the end. During the last minute and forty five seconds descent started at -441 fpm and gradually increased to the -1161 fpm average, probably higher at impact. It's a puzzler for sure. |
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Quoted: The last 600 ft of descent was at -1161 fpm avg, for 31 seconds. Last 600 ft down slowed from 135 kts to 128 kts. Last 54 seconds had pretty steady heading about 140 deg. Starting the last two minutes, speed was about 150 kts for the first minute and a half and then decreased to 128 kts at the end. During the last minute and forty five seconds descent started at -441 fpm and gradually increased to the -1161 fpm average, probably higher at impact. It's a puzzler for sure. View Quote Suicide? |
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Quoted: The last 600 ft of descent was at -1161 fpm avg, for 31 seconds. Last 600 ft down slowed from 135 kts to 128 kts. Last 54 seconds had pretty steady heading about 140 deg. Starting the last two minutes, speed was about 150 kts for the first minute and a half and then decreased to 128 kts at the end. During the last minute and forty five seconds descent started at -441 fpm and gradually increased to the -1161 fpm average, probably higher at impact. It's a puzzler for sure. View Quote Not a pilot but if it helps you guys to figure it out, I’ve driven through this city on our way up around Lake Superior and the whole area is built on a hill. The decline starts from about the edge of the green shaded area all the way to the water. Attached File |
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Wasn't the Cirrus on on episode of Dangerous Flights? Seemed like a amazing aircraft.
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Quoted: Ice buildup on the wing and control surfaces could be barely noticeable until there's no lift anymore...drop like a rock View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Yeah.. I'm not sure.. He was stepping down like he was heading for the Superior airport. Ice buildup on the wing and control surfaces could be barely noticeable until there's no lift anymore...drop like a rock Possible. I can't seem to find any info on the fog/icing situation over the lake that day. Its not uncommon to see ice fog over the lake in the winter. |
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Quoted: Ice buildup on the wing and control surfaces could be barely noticeable until there's no lift anymore...drop like a rock View Quote SRs have an effective optional de-icing setup. https://wikiwings.com/heres-a-summary-of-cirrus-aircraft-tks-de-icing-systems/#:~:text=Summary%20Cirrus%20Aircraft%20TKS%20De-Icing%20Systems%20The%20first,system%20was%20expanded%20to%20cover%20the%20entire%20wing. |
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Quoted: The last 600 ft of descent was at -1161 fpm avg, for 31 seconds. Last 600 ft down slowed from 135 kts to 128 kts. Last 54 seconds had pretty steady heading about 140 deg. Starting the last two minutes, speed was about 150 kts for the first minute and a half and then decreased to 128 kts at the end. During the last minute and forty five seconds descent started at -441 fpm and gradually increased to the -1161 fpm average, probably higher at impact. It's a puzzler for sure. View Quote Heart Attack? |
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Betting engine failure/fire shortly after takeoff. Flight track seems to suggest that.
Not sure what him being an engineer has to do with it, has absolutely zero bearing on his pilot abilities. The news seems to think otherwise. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Not sure what him being an engineer has to do with it, has absolutely zero bearing on his pilot abilities. The news seems to think otherwise. Don't tell the engineers that. You can't tell engineers anything. That is why the old school airplanes didn't even let them look out of the front. |
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Quoted: Possible. I can't seem to find any info on the fog/icing situation over the lake that day. Its not uncommon to see ice fog over the lake in the winter. View Quote |
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man that really sucks....GA aircraft will let you get all crossed up in a hurry.
I always wondered why they just couldn't write some simple logic into the flight instruments....basically like having computer CFI in your ear. The workload for single pilot GA is a lot for someone that doesn't fly every single day |
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Quoted: man that really sucks....GA aircraft will let you get all crossed up in a hurry. I always wondered why they just couldn't write some simple logic into the flight instruments....basically like having computer CFI in your ear. The workload for single pilot GA is a lot for someone that doesn't fly every single day View Quote A lot of GA (majority?) are still on steam gauges. The cost to get something like that developed, certified, installed and maintained are crazy retarded expensive. The vast majority of GA accidents are still VFR pilots flying into IMC or something along those lines. Cessna 172 tend to be pretty dated airplanes and yet have an accident rate less than half of average. |
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Quoted: A lot of GA (majority?) are still on steam gauges. The cost to get something like that developed, certified, installed and maintained are crazy retarded expensive. The vast majority of GA accidents are still VFR pilots flying into IMC or something along those lines. Cessna 172 tend to be pretty dated airplanes and yet have an accident rate less than half of average. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: man that really sucks....GA aircraft will let you get all crossed up in a hurry. I always wondered why they just couldn't write some simple logic into the flight instruments....basically like having computer CFI in your ear. The workload for single pilot GA is a lot for someone that doesn't fly every single day A lot of GA (majority?) are still on steam gauges. The cost to get something like that developed, certified, installed and maintained are crazy retarded expensive. The vast majority of GA accidents are still VFR pilots flying into IMC or something along those lines. Cessna 172 tend to be pretty dated airplanes and yet have an accident rate less than half of average. glass panels have come down a lot recently, but they are still missing the safety aspect and there really needs to be some kids of HUD for synthetic vision. |
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Quoted: The last 600 ft of descent was at -1161 fpm avg, for 31 seconds. Last 600 ft down slowed from 135 kts to 128 kts. Last 54 seconds had pretty steady heading about 140 deg. Starting the last two minutes, speed was about 150 kts for the first minute and a half and then decreased to 128 kts at the end. During the last minute and forty five seconds descent started at -441 fpm and gradually increased to the -1161 fpm average, probably higher at impact. It's a puzzler for sure. View Quote No, it’s not a puzzler. Look at the weather. 8F, humidity on the rise, Snow, fog, ice. Look at the flight speed/altitude track. He iced up. |
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Quoted: No, it’s not a puzzler. Look at the weather. 8F, humidity on the rise, Snow, fog, ice. Look at the flight speed/altitude track. He iced up. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: The last 600 ft of descent was at -1161 fpm avg, for 31 seconds. Last 600 ft down slowed from 135 kts to 128 kts. Last 54 seconds had pretty steady heading about 140 deg. Starting the last two minutes, speed was about 150 kts for the first minute and a half and then decreased to 128 kts at the end. During the last minute and forty five seconds descent started at -441 fpm and gradually increased to the -1161 fpm average, probably higher at impact. It's a puzzler for sure. No, it’s not a puzzler. Look at the weather. 8F, humidity on the rise, Snow, fog, ice. Look at the flight speed/altitude track. He iced up. You would htink the cirrus would have boots |
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