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Posted: 2/27/2023 2:32:17 PM EDT
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Had evidence on Hillary Clinton?
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Posted: 2/27/2023 2:33:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: glass panels have come down a lot recently, but they are still missing the safety aspect and there really needs to be some kids of HUD for synthetic vision. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: man that really sucks....GA aircraft will let you get all crossed up in a hurry. I always wondered why they just couldn't write some simple logic into the flight instruments....basically like having computer CFI in your ear. The workload for single pilot GA is a lot for someone that doesn't fly every single day A lot of GA (majority?) are still on steam gauges. The cost to get something like that developed, certified, installed and maintained are crazy retarded expensive. The vast majority of GA accidents are still VFR pilots flying into IMC or something along those lines. Cessna 172 tend to be pretty dated airplanes and yet have an accident rate less than half of average. glass panels have come down a lot recently, but they are still missing the safety aspect and there really needs to be some kids of HUD for synthetic vision. It is like suggesting a RDS is a great solution to replace marksmanship practice. The safety heads up the GA community needs is a post-it in the dash that says "Don't be retarded". You are talking 15-65K to install a digital avionics suite in an aircraft. That money would still be better spent on pilot training and currency. |
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Posted: 2/27/2023 3:13:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You would htink the cirrus would have boots Rare to see boots on something that small. But boots aren’t a magic bullet anyway. The other day a booted Kingair iced up in Nevada and killed all aboard. |
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Posted: 2/27/2023 3:22:52 PM EDT
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wrong thread
I rescued a SR22 crash victim once |
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Posted: 2/27/2023 3:31:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You can't tell engineers anything. That is why the old school airplanes didn't even let them look out of the front.  Maybe the engineers should let the pilots design the planes. We’ll need more trains and ocean liners. |
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Posted: 2/27/2023 3:42:40 PM EDT
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Cirrus is a comparatively high performance GA plane. That's not a good thing for less proficient pilots.
Frumpy Cessnas and Diamonds are not as slick. But they are relatively harder to get into trouble with. Those parachutes are cool. And they get used a lot, successfully and unsuccessfully, on the Cirrus.  [Real ATC recording] Fatal crash of Cirrus | Aerodynamic stall on go-around | Hobby Airport, Texas Make your tradeoffs. |
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Posted: 2/27/2023 6:28:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe the engineers should let the pilots design the planes. We’ll need more trains and ocean liners. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You can't tell engineers anything. That is why the old school airplanes didn't even let them look out of the front. Maybe the engineers should let the pilots design the planes. We’ll need more trains and ocean liners. Engineers should engineer, pilots should pilot. Neither should look too closely at the ways A&Ps work. |
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Posted: 2/27/2023 6:40:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Rare to see boots on something that small. But boots aren't a magic bullet anyway. The other day a booted Kingair iced up in Nevada and killed all aboard. |
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Posted: 2/27/2023 7:10:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Engineers should engineer, pilots should pilot. Neither should look too closely at the ways A&Ps work. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: You can't tell engineers anything. That is why the old school airplanes didn't even let them look out of the front. Maybe the engineers should let the pilots design the planes. We’ll need more trains and ocean liners. Engineers should engineer, pilots should pilot. Neither should look too closely at the ways A&Ps work. 
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Posted: 2/27/2023 7:53:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are you referring to the Guardian PC12 that crashed in Stagecoach, NV? If so, Its still a little early to say it was icing, I don't think icing will be a factor when the investigation is finished. Oh, you’re right. It was a PC12. It was 100% ice. A close friend declined to fly into Reno the same evening because of expected icing conditions. Client was mad. Client called back next morning very grateful they weren’t among the dead. Friend flew them in Saturday. Everyone lived to see another day. |
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Posted: 2/27/2023 8:39:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh, you’re right. It was a PC12. It was 100% ice. A close friend declined to fly into Reno the same evening because of expected icing conditions. Client was mad. Client called back next morning very grateful they weren’t among the dead. Friend flew them in Saturday. Everyone lived to see another day. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Are you referring to the Guardian PC12 that crashed in Stagecoach, NV? If so, Its still a little early to say it was icing, I don't think icing will be a factor when the investigation is finished. Oh, you’re right. It was a PC12. It was 100% ice. A close friend declined to fly into Reno the same evening because of expected icing conditions. Client was mad. Client called back next morning very grateful they weren’t among the dead. Friend flew them in Saturday. Everyone lived to see another day. That one is going to be interesting due to breaking up in air. I wouldn't be surprised if it results in CVR/FDRs. |
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Posted: 2/27/2023 10:54:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That one is going to be interesting due to breaking up in air. I wouldn't be surprised if it results in CVR/FDRs. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Are you referring to the Guardian PC12 that crashed in Stagecoach, NV? If so, Its still a little early to say it was icing, I don't think icing will be a factor when the investigation is finished. Oh, you’re right. It was a PC12. It was 100% ice. A close friend declined to fly into Reno the same evening because of expected icing conditions. Client was mad. Client called back next morning very grateful they weren’t among the dead. Friend flew them in Saturday. Everyone lived to see another day. That one is going to be interesting due to breaking up in air. I wouldn't be surprised if it results in CVR/FDRs. An air med Cessna broke up mid air near here a few years ago.     NTSB says it was a recovery attempt that overloaded the wings and spar. https://www.kxnet.com/news/local-news/ntsb-final-report-pilot-error-led-to-in-flight-breakup-of-airmed-jet-in-2018/ |
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Posted: 2/27/2023 11:06:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It is like suggesting a RDS is a great solution to replace marksmanship practice. The safety heads up the GA community needs is a post-it in the dash that says "Don't be retarded". You are talking 15-65K to install a digital avionics suite in an aircraft. That money would still be better spent on pilot training and currency. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: man that really sucks....GA aircraft will let you get all crossed up in a hurry. I always wondered why they just couldn't write some simple logic into the flight instruments....basically like having computer CFI in your ear. The workload for single pilot GA is a lot for someone that doesn't fly every single day A lot of GA (majority?) are still on steam gauges. The cost to get something like that developed, certified, installed and maintained are crazy retarded expensive. The vast majority of GA accidents are still VFR pilots flying into IMC or something along those lines. Cessna 172 tend to be pretty dated airplanes and yet have an accident rate less than half of average. glass panels have come down a lot recently, but they are still missing the safety aspect and there really needs to be some kids of HUD for synthetic vision. It is like suggesting a RDS is a great solution to replace marksmanship practice. The safety heads up the GA community needs is a post-it in the dash that says "Don't be retarded". You are talking 15-65K to install a digital avionics suite in an aircraft. That money would still be better spent on pilot training and currency. Those install numbers are all over priced |
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Posted: 2/27/2023 11:06:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Rare to see boots on something that small. But boots aren’t a magic bullet anyway. The other day a booted Kingair iced up in Nevada and killed all aboard. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You would htink the cirrus would have boots Rare to see boots on something that small. But boots aren’t a magic bullet anyway. The other day a booted Kingair iced up in Nevada and killed all aboard. Damn...how the hell you crash a King Air...it's like just a giatn 172 with turbo props |
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Posted: 2/27/2023 11:06:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cirrus is a comparatively high performance GA plane. That's not a good thing for less proficient pilots. Frumpy Cessnas and Diamonds are not as slick. But they are relatively harder to get into trouble with. Those parachutes are cool. And they get used a lot, successfully and unsuccessfully, on the Cirrus.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyC15hRKJfYMake your tradeoffs. Woman pilot was in over her skills and got low and slow. |
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Posted: 2/27/2023 11:08:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh, you're right. It was a PC12. It was 100% ice. A close friend declined to fly into Reno the same evening because of expected icing conditions. Client was mad. Client called back next morning very grateful they weren't among the dead. Friend flew them in Saturday. Everyone lived to see another day. |
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Posted: 2/27/2023 11:19:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We'll see. That PC12 had ice boots, and the available flight info doesn't look like icing to me, but they'll get to the bottom of it. Terrible loss all around regardless. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Oh, you're right. It was a PC12. It was 100% ice. A close friend declined to fly into Reno the same evening because of expected icing conditions. Client was mad. Client called back next morning very grateful they weren't among the dead. Friend flew them in Saturday. Everyone lived to see another day. The wing boots and prop boots are fine. Unfortunately Ice can and will build up everywhere else on the aircraft in severe icing situations. |
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Posted: 2/28/2023 2:22:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Have these been grounded for some reason? This one looks more like he died of Suddenly. |
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Posted: 2/28/2023 3:13:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It is like suggesting a RDS is a great solution to replace marksmanship practice. The safety heads up the GA community needs is a post-it in the dash that says "Don't be retarded". You are talking 15-65K to install a digital avionics suite in an aircraft. That money would still be better spent on pilot training and currency. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: man that really sucks....GA aircraft will let you get all crossed up in a hurry. I always wondered why they just couldn't write some simple logic into the flight instruments....basically like having computer CFI in your ear. The workload for single pilot GA is a lot for someone that doesn't fly every single day A lot of GA (majority?) are still on steam gauges. The cost to get something like that developed, certified, installed and maintained are crazy retarded expensive. The vast majority of GA accidents are still VFR pilots flying into IMC or something along those lines. Cessna 172 tend to be pretty dated airplanes and yet have an accident rate less than half of average. glass panels have come down a lot recently, but they are still missing the safety aspect and there really needs to be some kids of HUD for synthetic vision. It is like suggesting a RDS is a great solution to replace marksmanship practice. The safety heads up the GA community needs is a post-it in the dash that says "Don't be retarded". You are talking 15-65K to install a digital avionics suite in an aircraft. That money would still be better spent on pilot training and currency. All in on my Pitts I'm looking at 22-23K for a full 2 screen Dynon system with two axis autopilot. I'm doing all the work. My friend that owns a very popular avionics shop has told me some of the prices/costs on large panel updates. Lets just say I'm staying on the experimental side of flying... |
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Posted: 2/28/2023 11:39:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All in on my Pitts I'm looking at 22-23K for a full 2 screen Dynon system with two axis autopilot. I'm doing all the work. My friend that owns a very popular avionics shop has told me some of the prices/costs on large panel updates. Lets just say I'm staying on the experimental side of flying... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: man that really sucks....GA aircraft will let you get all crossed up in a hurry. I always wondered why they just couldn't write some simple logic into the flight instruments....basically like having computer CFI in your ear. The workload for single pilot GA is a lot for someone that doesn't fly every single day A lot of GA (majority?) are still on steam gauges. The cost to get something like that developed, certified, installed and maintained are crazy retarded expensive. The vast majority of GA accidents are still VFR pilots flying into IMC or something along those lines. Cessna 172 tend to be pretty dated airplanes and yet have an accident rate less than half of average. glass panels have come down a lot recently, but they are still missing the safety aspect and there really needs to be some kids of HUD for synthetic vision. It is like suggesting a RDS is a great solution to replace marksmanship practice. The safety heads up the GA community needs is a post-it in the dash that says "Don't be retarded". You are talking 15-65K to install a digital avionics suite in an aircraft. That money would still be better spent on pilot training and currency. All in on my Pitts I'm looking at 22-23K for a full 2 screen Dynon system with two axis autopilot. I'm doing all the work. My friend that owns a very popular avionics shop has told me some of the prices/costs on large panel updates. Lets just say I'm staying on the experimental side of flying... I have a little bit of background on the av maintenance side of things and I have worked on a huge project to digitize records The amount of paper that goes into a certified airframe is really impressive. I feel safer already. 
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Posted: 2/28/2023 11:57:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All in on my Pitts I'm looking at 22-23K for a full 2 screen Dynon system with two axis autopilot. I'm doing all the work. My friend that owns a very popular avionics shop has told me some of the prices/costs on large panel updates. Lets just say I'm staying on the experimental side of flying... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: man that really sucks....GA aircraft will let you get all crossed up in a hurry. I always wondered why they just couldn't write some simple logic into the flight instruments....basically like having computer CFI in your ear. The workload for single pilot GA is a lot for someone that doesn't fly every single day A lot of GA (majority?) are still on steam gauges. The cost to get something like that developed, certified, installed and maintained are crazy retarded expensive. The vast majority of GA accidents are still VFR pilots flying into IMC or something along those lines. Cessna 172 tend to be pretty dated airplanes and yet have an accident rate less than half of average. glass panels have come down a lot recently, but they are still missing the safety aspect and there really needs to be some kids of HUD for synthetic vision. It is like suggesting a RDS is a great solution to replace marksmanship practice. The safety heads up the GA community needs is a post-it in the dash that says "Don't be retarded". You are talking 15-65K to install a digital avionics suite in an aircraft. That money would still be better spent on pilot training and currency. All in on my Pitts I'm looking at 22-23K for a full 2 screen Dynon system with two axis autopilot. I'm doing all the work. My friend that owns a very popular avionics shop has told me some of the prices/costs on large panel updates. Lets just say I'm staying on the experimental side of flying... This is why experimental interests me. I’d damn near need another digit to the left of the decimal in my paycheck to not fly experimental. |
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Posted: 2/28/2023 12:02:47 PM EDT
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My buddy says:
"GA really needs ejection cabins and some type of parachute recovery system for the pilotless plane, to reduce collateral damage. Maybe add a siren and smoke flares that activates during the last couple hundred feet of decent, to give people on the ground some warning." |
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Posted: 2/28/2023 12:10:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: man that really sucks....GA aircraft will let you get all crossed up in a hurry. I always wondered why they just couldn't write some simple logic into the flight instruments....basically like having computer CFI in your ear. The workload for single pilot GA is a lot for someone that doesn't fly every single day GA flight controls are mechanical linkage. Nothing to “write”. Little airplanes are dangerous. Sucks for him and his family. But, looks like pilot incapacitation. Fly a good airplane into the ice on a clear day… |
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Posted: 2/28/2023 12:15:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, it’s not a puzzler. Look at the weather. 8F, humidity on the rise, Snow, fog, ice. Look at the flight speed/altitude track. He iced up.  Attached File8500’ ceiling. 10 mi vis.? Maybe what was posted for the weather at the time wasn’t correct. Are we looking at the same weather? Even in moderate icing, he wasn’t airborne long enough to pick up a load of ice. Freezing rain would do it but it doesn’t look likely that kind of day. |
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Posted: 2/28/2023 12:21:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It is like suggesting a RDS is a great solution to replace marksmanship practice. The safety heads up the GA community needs is a post-it in the dash that says "Don't be retarded". You are talking 15-65K to install a digital avionics suite in an aircraft. That money would still be better spent on pilot training and currency.  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/28/2023 12:26:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We'll see. That PC12 had ice boots, and the available flight info doesn't look like icing to me, but they'll get to the bottom of it. Terrible loss all around regardless. Talk on APC was single pilot, trying to circle to land in a valley, in shitty weather. Death spiral after disorientation. Again, little airplanes are dangerous. The types of flying little airplanes do is dangerous. |
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Posted: 2/28/2023 12:28:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All in on my Pitts I'm looking at 22-23K for a full 2 screen Dynon system with two axis autopilot. I'm doing all the work. My friend that owns a very popular avionics shop has told me some of the prices/costs on large panel updates. Lets just say I'm staying on the experimental side of flying... People don’t think FAA Certification be like it is. But it do. |
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Posted: 2/28/2023 12:32:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is a pic from my hotel room in Duluth about three hours before the crash. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/145837/20230224_130825_HDR_2_jpg-2727452.JPG Facing the wrong way though  |
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Posted: 2/28/2023 1:52:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Mostly those are pretty new, with low time engines under 200hr. One of my family members just got a new SR22 right around the same time Cirrus grounded their own fleet. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Have these been grounded for some reason? Mostly those are pretty new, with low time engines under 200hr. One of my family members just got a new SR22 right around the same time Cirrus grounded their own fleet. Maybe he was doing some "testing" post corrective fix? Although I thought this one was on the engine manufacturer as it has some sort of snap ring that's in backwards and allows the pins for some bushing to walk itself out while the engine is in operation. *Not a pilot, Not a mechanic. |
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Posted: 2/28/2023 2:20:39 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/28/2023 9:04:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Talk on APC was single pilot, trying to circle to land in a valley, in shitty weather. Death spiral after disorientation. Again, little airplanes are dangerous. The types of flying little airplanes do is dangerous. He had a small airport coming up quick on his right, a tiny strip behind him not too far, and a good airport only a little way back, way closer than Reno. It's too bad they weren't able to get back. |
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