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Posted: 10/17/2018 1:28:19 PM EDT
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I saw them for myself growing up as a kid and living through the Rodney King riots where the police stopped showing up and people turned into savages when given the opportunity. It didn't really hit me until I was an adult at how valuable the 2A is to an individual and our society. |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 1:32:06 PM EDT
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This place cracks me up. Everybody has a stash of guns and ammo, plate carriers, "kits", bug out gear, optics, night vision and practices "drills". But let's stand guard in front of our trailer with $100,000.00 worth of supplies in it "sounds like a bad idea". Quote HistoryQuoted:
This place cracks me up. Everybody has a stash of guns and ammo, plate carriers, "kits", bug out gear, optics, night vision and practices "drills". But let's stand guard in front of our trailer with $100,000.00 worth of supplies in it "sounds like a bad idea". Quoted:
Look, it would be different if he’d taken a few courses and had a bunch of trigger time. The "Course" rhetoric cracks me up on here, every fuckin' swinging dick with a DD214 has a course now. |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 1:35:59 PM EDT
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If you are gonna keep looters away an ar-15 seems to be a totally reasonable choice. If he puts 30 rounds into Grampa who was walking by then he will have issues.
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Posted: 10/17/2018 1:38:08 PM EDT
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At least he's not using a shotgun. That would be dumb. |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 1:38:43 PM EDT
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This place cracks me up. Everybody has a stash of guns and ammo, plate carriers, "kits", bug out gear, optics, night vision and practices "drills". But let's stand guard in front of our trailer with $100,000.00 worth of supplies in it "sounds like a bad idea". |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 1:39:40 PM EDT
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Plate up, kit out, provide over watch and pound Cheetos and Diet Coke.
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Posted: 10/17/2018 1:39:57 PM EDT
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Why is it a bad idea?
If I am going armed with the main purpose of pulling guard duty, I want the best weapon I can legally have, which is an AR. |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 1:39:58 PM EDT
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You just went full Zimmerman. Never go full Zimmerman. If you want to throw your life away over a trailer full of someone else's bottled water and Walmart clothes, be my guest. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This place cracks me up. Everybody has a stash of guns and ammo, plate carriers, "kits", bug out gear, optics, night vision and practices "drills". But let's stand guard in front of our trailer with $100,000.00 worth of supplies in it "sounds like a bad idea". If you want to throw your life away over a trailer full of someone else's bottled water and Walmart clothes, be my guest. |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 1:40:54 PM EDT
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This place cracks me up. Everybody has a stash of guns and ammo, plate carriers, "kits", bug out gear, optics, night vision and practices "drills". But let's stand guard in front of our trailer with $100,000.00 worth of supplies in it "sounds like a bad idea". 
Then it turns into; "I'm not shooting someone over Gatorade" or "You'll get your shit pushed in from the police if you carry a rifle around your property" or "I would only carry a small handgun that I can hide to defend myself" Some only own guns to shoot paper or deer, and some to give them to the state when the time comes. Not all are cut out to be roof Koreans. |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 1:41:09 PM EDT
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Looks like fun, but where you gonna duck 'to' after you hear the first rounds ping off the hatch next to your head?  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think a mini tank is a better choice post hurricane. https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/02/76/4c/e5/filename-sam-5373-jpg.jpg |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 1:41:15 PM EDT
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Just found out that a coworker has gone with his church to North Florida where the hurricane just went through with trailers full of supplies. Apparently the first group that went one of the trailers was broken into and everything stolen over night now his church has asked for anyone with firearms to go and protect the supplies. He just got his first AR a few months ago has very little trigger time on it. Another co worker tried to talk him out of taking it just for the legal aspect but he insisted Seems like a bad Idea to me Shooting someone who is not armed, that's prison time. Shooting someone who is armed, possibly a bad firefight if the good guys don't have a lot of trigger time. |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 1:41:26 PM EDT
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No open carry of firearms in Florida, even in emergencies (an exception for hunting/fishing only) so your friend will in all likelihood get his shit pushed it if he tries 'standing guard' with a rifle. Concealed (w/permit) is about the only way to go. Are the trailers on private property ? |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 1:41:52 PM EDT
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lol
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Posted: 10/17/2018 1:43:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s already too late, you gotta fire first. Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s already too late, you gotta fire first.  Quoted:Shooting someone who is not armed, that's prison time.
Shooting someone who is armed, possibly a bad firefight if the good guys don't have a lot of trigger time. |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 1:46:25 PM EDT
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Holy shit, this exactly. I'm not advocating bands of "militia" running around screwing with looters, but arming yourself to protect property? That's kinda the whole point of owning firearms for protection. There are ways to do it that are smarter than others, but if you're not going to use your guns to defend yourself and protect property, then it's pretty much time to give them to someone who will. And if someone goes to an area whose infrastructure is destroyed and the traditional police response is delayed or even non-existent, and they do so without means to protect themselves or their possessions, they're dumber than a bag of hammers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This place cracks me up. Everybody has a stash of guns and ammo, plate carriers, "kits", bug out gear, optics, night vision and practices "drills". But let's stand guard in front of our trailer with $100,000.00 worth of supplies in it "sounds like a bad idea". I'm not advocating bands of "militia" running around screwing with looters, but arming yourself to protect property? That's kinda the whole point of owning firearms for protection. There are ways to do it that are smarter than others, but if you're not going to use your guns to defend yourself and protect property, then it's pretty much time to give them to someone who will. And if someone goes to an area whose infrastructure is destroyed and the traditional police response is delayed or even non-existent, and they do so without means to protect themselves or their possessions, they're dumber than a bag of hammers. |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 1:47:18 PM EDT
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Look, it would be different if he'd taken a few courses and had a bunch of trigger time. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This place cracks me up. Everybody has a stash of guns and ammo, plate carriers, "kits", bug out gear, optics, night vision and practices "drills". But let's stand guard in front of our trailer with $100,000.00 worth of supplies in it "sounds like a bad idea". |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 1:48:43 PM EDT
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What legal aspect? There's a loaded AR in a roof rack in my truck 24/7
 . Unless it's not on private property or the private property owner hasn't given consent to OC, it's fine  .
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Posted: 10/17/2018 1:48:54 PM EDT
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His last name Yeager?
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Posted: 10/17/2018 1:50:36 PM EDT
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The replies in this thread fly in the face of the "kill them all" replies to the looting of the Summer '17. You might as well not send supplies if you are not willing to protect them, and from what I have heard it is bad up there.
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Posted: 10/17/2018 1:50:46 PM EDT
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Plus the optics when the shooting victim actually turns out to be some desperate evacuee. Now to protect Church members that's a different story. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Risk a voluntary manslaughter charge to protect some donated bottled water and clothes and shit? PASS Now to protect Church members that's a different story. |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 1:51:00 PM EDT
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I was just over in Panama City yesterday morning. Based on what’s going on there right now, I would venture a guess that NOBODY is going to get worked up over someone smoking a legit looter. If you’re prowling the neighborhood after curfew, you’re taking your own life into your hands.
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Posted: 10/17/2018 1:52:01 PM EDT
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This place cracks me up. Everybody has a stash of guns and ammo, plate carriers, "kits", bug out gear, optics, night vision and practices "drills". But let's stand guard in front of our trailer with $100,000.00 worth of supplies in it "sounds like a bad idea". Arm chair warriors! Stay home and dream! 
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Posted: 10/17/2018 1:55:39 PM EDT
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Everyone wants to do 2A stuff until its time to do 2A stuff.
Then it turns into; "I'm not shooting someone over Gatorade" or "You'll get your shit pushed in from the police if you carry a rifle around your property" or "I would only carry a small handgun that I can hide to defend myself" Some only own guns to shoot paper or deer, and some to give them to the state when the time comes. Not all are cut out to be roof Koreans. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This place cracks me up. Everybody has a stash of guns and ammo, plate carriers, "kits", bug out gear, optics, night vision and practices "drills". But let's stand guard in front of our trailer with $100,000.00 worth of supplies in it "sounds like a bad idea".
Then it turns into; "I'm not shooting someone over Gatorade" or "You'll get your shit pushed in from the police if you carry a rifle around your property" or "I would only carry a small handgun that I can hide to defend myself" Some only own guns to shoot paper or deer, and some to give them to the state when the time comes. Not all are cut out to be roof Koreans. |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 1:55:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Shooting someone who is not armed, that's prison time. Shooting someone who is armed, possibly a bad firefight if the good guys don't have a lot of trigger time.  Sheriff Judd provides update on Uber driver who shot, killed man | News Conference |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 1:58:21 PM EDT
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INB4 ARFCOMERs begging to signup... Where can I sign up? 
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Posted: 10/17/2018 1:58:44 PM EDT
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Good for him and happy hunting.
Fuck looters ! 
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Posted: 10/17/2018 2:01:43 PM EDT
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Is hunting over bait illegal in Florida?
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Posted: 10/17/2018 2:09:40 PM EDT
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Shooting unarmed looters? Risky and probably a ticket to PMITA prison in most states.
Shooting looters who are armed and trespassing onto private property threatening you during their commission of a crime? That seems to me an entirely different situation. The whole idea behind armed, visible security personnel is that it deters crime, the vast majority of cases without having to fire upon anyone. |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 2:19:41 PM EDT
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Isn’t what he’s doing exactly what 2A is all about? Call to arms of the militia?
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Posted: 10/17/2018 2:23:07 PM EDT
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Shooting unarmed looters? Risky and probably a ticket to PMITA prison in most states. Shooting looters who are armed and trespassing onto private property threatening you during their commission of a crime? That seems to me an entirely different situation. Looters are criminals. |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 2:23:17 PM EDT
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I think it's a bad idea for him mainly because of how inexpericed he is with using a firearm knowing he could very well get into a shoot out.
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Posted: 10/17/2018 2:26:59 PM EDT
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He'll be fine. FL no like the Lootie
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Posted: 10/17/2018 2:30:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Looters are no different then a burglar breaking into occupied property and should be treated as such. Looters are criminals. |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 2:34:30 PM EDT
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It sounds like the church is asking for problems. They should coordinate with local law enforcement in Florida if there are security issues. The last thing a church needs is for a news story saying how a church member shot someone getting supplies that they brought to give out to people for free. jd1 |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 2:41:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Looters are no different then a burglar breaking into occupied property and should be treated as such. Looters are criminals. In an emergency situation protecting water, food, medicine, and necessities are about life and death. ETA: unless I read your post wrong and we are on the same page. |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 2:42:41 PM EDT
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This place cracks me up. Everybody has a stash of guns and ammo, plate carriers, "kits", bug out gear, optics, night vision and practices "drills". But let's stand guard in front of our trailer with $100,000.00 worth of supplies in it "sounds like a bad idea". But would I drive 300+ miles and to stand guard on someone else's stuff? No. I'd drop it off at a shelter and say bye |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 2:59:42 PM EDT
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I see two things here that ring back to katrina
1. the sight of someone with a long gun was "good enough" for most lootie's to gtfo and leave the target alone. 2. if someone had to shoot, as in Katrina the rule of thumb was "if we shoot someone we will be leaving them there and moving on, understand??" If the above rules are applied there shouldn't be any blow back. is it risky? of course but risk can be found anywhere. God called, this guy answered. |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 3:02:14 PM EDT
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Shooting unarmed looters? Risky and probably a ticket to PMITA prison in most states. Shooting looters who are armed and trespassing onto private property threatening you during their commission of a crime? That seems to me an entirely different situation. The whole idea behind armed, visible security personnel is that it deters crime, the vast majority of cases without having to fire upon anyone. 
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Posted: 10/17/2018 3:03:19 PM EDT
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I hope your co-worker has a good understanding of FL use of force laws. If not he should stop by an FL gun shop and get the latest edition of Jon Gutmacher's book on FL gun laws.
Given how many nervous LEO's and high strung citizen's we get after hurricanes I would go the concealed handgun route as well, but with a long gun close by out of sight. If I were this church I would look for a security agency that could supply guards. A charitable person might even try to hire certified locals that probably lost there job when the hurricane blew it away. |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 3:03:30 PM EDT
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I went roof korean after hurricaine sandy when I sitting in the dark in my house alone with no electric and the bottom floors all gutted out for a couple of weeks after.
But it was my own home. I was kinda sad I never got to turn any looters into kim chi. |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 3:06:24 PM EDT
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This place cracks me up. Everybody has a stash of guns and ammo, plate carriers, "kits", bug out gear, optics, night vision and practices "drills". But let's stand guard in front of our trailer with $100,000.00 worth of supplies in it "sounds like a bad idea". |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 3:08:56 PM EDT
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"roof Korean" ..took me a second lol. I'd go armed anyway but not looking for trouble. Is he taking it "just in case" or is he going hunting for trouble Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just found out that a coworker has gone with his church to North Florida where the hurricane just went through with trailers full of supplies. Apparently the first group that went one of the trailers was broken into and everything stolen over night now his church has asked for anyone with firearms to go and protect the supplies. He just got his first AR a few months ago has very little trigger time on it. Another co worker tried to talk him out of taking it just for the legal aspect but he insisted Seems like a bad Idea to me I'd go armed anyway but not looking for trouble. Is he taking it "just in case" or is he going hunting for trouble |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 3:13:25 PM EDT
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Most likely, he won't have any issues at all. He'll get to visit Florida, they will pass out the supplies, and he will come home with some new stories (mostly of boredom). Hopefully, he has taken the time to look up/understand Florida gun laws.
If he is truly inexperienced with shooting and shooting safety, then yeah, I would agree that it is probably a poor choice for him to take an AR into an area and situation that he is unfamiliar with. |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 3:17:46 PM EDT
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Been there and done that.
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Posted: 10/17/2018 3:18:46 PM EDT
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No kidding, what happened to protect ourselves from looters mentality? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This place cracks me up. Everybody has a stash of guns and ammo, plate carriers, "kits", bug out gear, optics, night vision and practices "drills". But let's stand guard in front of our trailer with $100,000.00 worth of supplies in it "sounds like a bad idea".
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Posted: 10/17/2018 3:21:10 PM EDT
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This place cracks me up. Everybody has a stash of guns and ammo, plate carriers, "kits", bug out gear, optics, night vision and practices "drills". But let's stand guard in front of our trailer with $100,000.00 worth of supplies in it "sounds like a bad idea". The sight of armed guards will deter most thieves. What's the use if having firearms if your not willing to protect yourself and your property. |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 3:24:34 PM EDT
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now his church has asked for anyone with firearms to go and protect the supplies. |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 3:24:58 PM EDT
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Pretty much this ^. The sight of armed guards will deter most thieves. What's the use if having firearms if your not willing to protect yourself and your property. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This place cracks me up. Everybody has a stash of guns and ammo, plate carriers, "kits", bug out gear, optics, night vision and practices "drills". But let's stand guard in front of our trailer with $100,000.00 worth of supplies in it "sounds like a bad idea". The sight of armed guards will deter most thieves. What's the use if having firearms if your not willing to protect yourself and your property. |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 3:35:03 PM EDT
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He just got his first AR a few months ago has very little trigger time on it. |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 3:40:55 PM EDT
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I'm assuming that the people he is helping out have agreed to pay his legal and/or medical expenses.
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