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Link Posted: 9/26/2015 9:59:44 AM EDT
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Perhaps this will allow Colt to continue paying their executives ~$1M per year, while in bankruptcy.  Colt needs to retain their best people, right?  
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Because they require skilled craftsmen to produce.
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I don't quite understand why they don't make them anymore.  



Because they require skilled craftsmen to produce.



until mim parts came along they were almost completely hand fitted. handle a colt officers model match (pre python days), and your python desire will end quickly.
Link Posted: 9/26/2015 10:10:37 AM EDT
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Tier mother-fuckin' ONE!
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you ring, bro?
Link Posted: 9/26/2015 10:13:33 AM EDT
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this is pathetic GD can't be happy with a damn thing just bitch bitch bitch.

I am ecstatic the contract did not go to H&K a tleast FNH & colt sell & make firearms for the civilian market.
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Yep.
Link Posted: 9/26/2015 10:22:06 AM EDT
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Oh boy, pretty sure I called this in the first thread full of colt haters.

Colt is pretty much Ford.
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I'd say Colt is like GM
Link Posted: 9/26/2015 10:27:07 AM EDT
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Too big to fail. The firearms industry edition.
Link Posted: 9/26/2015 10:28:03 AM EDT
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It's not that people are bitching to bitch. It's about past performance. Colt is getting a bailout from the taxpayer again and they won't learn any lessons that will enable them to compete in the private sector come 2020.
Link Posted: 9/26/2015 10:36:30 AM EDT
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Never considered buying a Colt anything to be honest.  Seems ridiculous they can live on reputation alone for so long.  There's nothing quite as sad as an aging hipster.



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Until Colt is owned and run by people that give a fuck about making guns that the public wants (as well as mil), and runs the company in a non-retarded manner, it isn't going to make a bit of difference. They have a fucking history of going bankrupt. They have this history for a reason. They have been mismanaged for a long time.
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this is pathetic GD can't be happy with a damn thing just bitch bitch bitch.

I am ecstatic the contract did not go to H&K a tleast FNH & colt sell & make firearms for the civilian market.



Until Colt is owned and run by people that give a fuck about making guns that the public wants (as well as mil), and runs the company in a non-retarded manner, it isn't going to make a bit of difference. They have a fucking history of going bankrupt. They have this history for a reason. They have been mismanaged for a long time.


this is still a substantial contract for the Army It could easily have gone to H&K, Beretta, or CZ in an attempt to help the EU then no one would have been prolonging the death song of an "evil gun maker"I am happy to see FNH & colt comtinue. to troop on.  

colt offers godds to the civi market & while GN is not souly dependent on a civi market I love them for giving us the five seven a ps90, a scar, the re created pre64 win mod 70  meanwhile H&K does nothing with a IAR contract and the 416 is still near unobtainium.
Link Posted: 9/26/2015 10:52:35 AM EDT
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Good. Maybe they'll put the XSE back in production.
Link Posted: 9/26/2015 11:00:42 AM EDT
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while $212,000,000 may seem large, the actual number of rifles is probably under 100,000. would not be surpised if it was closer to 20,000.  The 212,000,000 dollar figure (I haven't seen the exact contract so I can say 100%) is likely for rifles, replacement parts, accessories, and upkeep over the next 4 years.  There are quite a few companies that could have likely produced the quantity and the quality desired.  Hell ruger makes over 1 million guns a year by itself, plenty of other companies out there could make the less than 25,000 a year figure likely in place for this contract.
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It's called a mercy bailout.

The .mil didn't need Colt..........plenty of others who do just as good or better job at making M4's

honest question, how many american owned companies can product at that volume & quality?



while $212,000,000 may seem large, the actual number of rifles is probably under 100,000. would not be surpised if it was closer to 20,000.  The 212,000,000 dollar figure (I haven't seen the exact contract so I can say 100%) is likely for rifles, replacement parts, accessories, and upkeep over the next 4 years.  There are quite a few companies that could have likely produced the quantity and the quality desired.  Hell ruger makes over 1 million guns a year by itself, plenty of other companies out there could make the less than 25,000 a year figure likely in place for this contract.




I bet that number is north of 250,000 rifles assuming a cost of somewhere around $650 per unit.....+ parts support etc.....
Link Posted: 9/26/2015 11:11:51 AM EDT
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Doesn't need to be an American company.

The world has changed. like it or not.

And besides, if a man (or company) can't stand on their own two feet...I would prefer if they went away.

We have too many useless eaters in this world as it is.
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It's called a mercy bailout.

The .mil didn't need Colt..........plenty of others who do just as good or better job at making M4's

honest question, how many american owned companies can product at that volume & quality?

Doesn't need to be an American company.

The world has changed. like it or not.

And besides, if a man (or company) can't stand on their own two feet...I would prefer if they went away.

We have too many useless eaters in this world as it is.


It has to be American  

The Buy American Act was passed by U.S. Congress in 1933.
The purpose of the Buy American Act is to provide preferential treatment for domestic sources of unmanufactured articles, manufactured goods, and construction material for public use unless a specific exemption applies.
The act requires the federal government to purchase domestic supplies for use in the United States, if:
The supply contract exceeds the micro-purchase threshold; or

The supply portion of a contract for services that involves the furnishing of supplies exceeds the micro-purchase threshold. In determining what are domestic goods, the place of mining, production, or manufacture is controlling.
Link Posted: 9/26/2015 11:19:47 AM EDT
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this is still a substantial contract for the Army It could easily have gone to H&K, Beretta, or CZ in an attempt to help the EU then no one would have been prolonging the death song of an "evil gun maker"I am happy to see FNH & colt comtinue. to troop on.  

colt offers godds to the civi market & while GN is not souly dependent on a civi market I love them for giving us the five seven a ps90, a scar, the re created pre64 win mod 70  meanwhile H&K does nothing with a IAR contract and the 416 is still near unobtainium.
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this is pathetic GD can't be happy with a damn thing just bitch bitch bitch.

I am ecstatic the contract did not go to H&K a tleast FNH & colt sell & make firearms for the civilian market.



Until Colt is owned and run by people that give a fuck about making guns that the public wants (as well as mil), and runs the company in a non-retarded manner, it isn't going to make a bit of difference. They have a fucking history of going bankrupt. They have this history for a reason. They have been mismanaged for a long time.


this is still a substantial contract for the Army It could easily have gone to H&K, Beretta, or CZ in an attempt to help the EU then no one would have been prolonging the death song of an "evil gun maker"I am happy to see FNH & colt comtinue. to troop on.  

colt offers godds to the civi market & while GN is not souly dependent on a civi market I love them for giving us the five seven a ps90, a scar, the re created pre64 win mod 70  meanwhile H&K does nothing with a IAR contract and the 416 is still near unobtainium.



...and this...

10 U.S.C. 2473 - PROCUREMENTS FROM THE SMALL ARMS PRODUCTION INDUSTRIAL BASE


(a) Requirement To Limit Procurements To Certain Sources.—


In order to preserve the small arms production industrial base, the Secretary of Defense shall require that any procurement of property or services described in subsection (b) for the Department of Defense be made only from a firm in the small arms production industrial base, unless the Secretary determines, with regard to a particular procurement, that such requirement is not necessary to preserve the small arms production industrial base.


(b) Covered Property and Services.—


Subject to subsection (d), subsection (a) applies to the following:


(1) Critical repair parts for small arms, consisting only of barrels, receivers, and bolts.
(2) Modifications of such parts to improve small arms used by the armed forces.
(c) Small Arms Production Industrial Base.—
In this section, the term small arms production industrial base means the firms comprising the small arms production industrial base, as described in the plan entitled Preservation of Critical Elements of the Small Arms Industrial Base, dated January 8, 1994, that was prepared by an independent assessment panel of the Army Science Board.
(d) Applicability.—


This section applies only to procurements of covered property and services involving the following small arms:


(1) M16 series rifle.
(2) MK19 grenade machine gun.
(3) M4 series carbine.
(4) M240 series machine gun.
(5) M249 squad automatic weapon.
(e) Submission of Certified Cost or Pricing Data.—


If a procurement under subsection (a) is a procurement of a commercial item, the Secretary may, notwithstanding section 2306a (b)(1)(B) of this title, require the submission of certified cost or pricing data under section 2306a (a) of this title.
Link Posted: 9/26/2015 11:27:55 AM EDT
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Both are well deserved.
Link Posted: 9/26/2015 12:24:14 PM EDT
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I'd say Colt is like GM
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Colt is pretty much Ford.

I'd say Colt is like GM


Colt is exactly like Ford. Ford was on the edge of Bankruptcy and got a contract to produce like 100,000 ford rangers for the Afghan Army and Afghan Police.
Link Posted: 9/26/2015 1:06:23 PM EDT
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Colt is exactly like Ford. Ford was on the edge of Bankruptcy and got a contract to produce like 100,000 ford rangers for the Afghan Army and Afghan Police.
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Oh boy, pretty sure I called this in the first thread full of colt haters.

Colt is pretty much Ford.

I'd say Colt is like GM


Colt is exactly like Ford. Ford was on the edge of Bankruptcy and got a contract to produce like 100,000 ford rangers for the Afghan Army and Afghan Police.


They also refinanced and leveraged the Blue Oval to keep from having to take a bailout, and started making domestic vehicles that even non-Ford-likers would like.

In short, its not the best comparison because Ford's management is far better than Colts.
Link Posted: 9/26/2015 1:08:40 PM EDT
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I don't quite understand why they don't make them anymore.  
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Good.

Now make a new DA/SA revolver.



...and bring back the Diamondback, Python, and Anaconda lines.  I've wanted a .22 Diamondback 6" as a mate for my 6" .38 Diamondback forever.  The Python is the sexiest handgun EVER made  More please...




 

I don't quite understand why they don't make them anymore.  


In the early- to mid-1990s, Colt was purchased by a rich kid that claimed he was "going to show the firearms industry that it was possible to run a gun manufacturing company as a legitimate business" (implying that the entire industry was rather shady and supported crime).  

One of his early changes was to go through their product line and discontinue anything he thought was "a gun a criminal would use".  This was at the time that the handgun market had recently evolved to mainly doublestack magazines of 15 rounds or more, then got hit with the 10 round limit of the 1994 AWB and the increasing demand for concealable handguns (due to states revising their carry permit laws).  That left the handgun industry focusing on developing smaller handguns, but Colt's new owner refused to follow the industry down the path of "arming criminals".

With the reduced product line, Colt began moving some models from normal production, to 'custom shop' production, allowing a higher markup on their price, which ultimately led to an additional drop in the volume of sales.

Essentially, Colt tries to out do HK, in the "because you suck and we hate you" attitude toward what customers want.
Link Posted: 9/26/2015 2:54:47 PM EDT
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Until Colt is owned and run by people that give a fuck about making guns that the public wants (as well as mil), and runs the company in a non-retarded manner, it isn't going to make a bit of difference. They have a fucking history of going bankrupt. They have this history for a reason. They have been mismanaged for a long time.
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this is pathetic GD can't be happy with a damn thing just bitch bitch bitch.

I am ecstatic the contract did not go to H&K a tleast FNH & colt sell & make firearms for the civilian market.



Until Colt is owned and run by people that give a fuck about making guns that the public wants (as well as mil), and runs the company in a non-retarded manner, it isn't going to make a bit of difference. They have a fucking history of going bankrupt. They have this history for a reason. They have been mismanaged for a long time.


+1
Link Posted: 9/26/2015 2:58:51 PM EDT
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Good for Colt.  I hope they can get straightened out.

I'm not optimistic, but I hope they can.
Link Posted: 9/26/2015 3:02:22 PM EDT
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They also refinanced and leveraged the Blue Oval to keep from having to take a bailout, and started making domestic vehicles that even non-Ford-likers would like.

In short, its not the best comparison because Ford's management is far better than Colts.
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Oh boy, pretty sure I called this in the first thread full of colt haters.

Colt is pretty much Ford.

I'd say Colt is like GM


Colt is exactly like Ford. Ford was on the edge of Bankruptcy and got a contract to produce like 100,000 ford rangers for the Afghan Army and Afghan Police.


They also refinanced and leveraged the Blue Oval to keep from having to take a bailout, and started making domestic vehicles that even non-Ford-likers would like.

In short, its not the best comparison because Ford's management is far better than Colts.


Colt makes the OEM now as well, a decade too late. It's identical. They even have the same over priced ponies. Just because Ford made some adjustments since the '09/'10 crash doesn't mean anything. Maybe colt will become viable in the next five years and maybe they won't.

But both of them got government bailouts disguised as "work"
Link Posted: 9/26/2015 3:13:24 PM EDT
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in before they go bankrupt again













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honest question, how many american owned companies can product at that volume & quality?
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It's called a mercy bailout.

The .mil didn't need Colt..........plenty of others who do just as good or better job at making M4's

honest question, how many american owned companies can product at that volume & quality?


I'm sure they would eventually get there if they got multimillion dollar contacts from our overlords.

Colt=over rated
Link Posted: 9/26/2015 4:30:59 PM EDT
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they need to move to AZ
Link Posted: 9/26/2015 11:31:46 PM EDT
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I bet that number is north of 250,000 rifles assuming a cost of somewhere around $650 per unit.....+ parts support etc.....
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It's called a mercy bailout.

The .mil didn't need Colt..........plenty of others who do just as good or better job at making M4's

honest question, how many american owned companies can product at that volume & quality?



while $212,000,000 may seem large, the actual number of rifles is probably under 100,000. would not be surpised if it was closer to 20,000.  The 212,000,000 dollar figure (I haven't seen the exact contract so I can say 100%) is likely for rifles, replacement parts, accessories, and upkeep over the next 4 years.  There are quite a few companies that could have likely produced the quantity and the quality desired.  Hell ruger makes over 1 million guns a year by itself, plenty of other companies out there could make the less than 25,000 a year figure likely in place for this contract.





I bet that number is north of 250,000 rifles assuming a cost of somewhere around $650 per unit.....+ parts support etc.....



that is what the price probably should be, but show me the last military contract in which items were priced reasonably based on current market conditions.  The contract that colt had back in 05 for just rifles came out to 1,032 per rifle.  I doubt colt's manufacturing has become any more efficient since that time period and you need to add in 10 years of inflation.  I almost guarantee you it is north of 1000 per rifle. 2000 per rifle is not out of the question at all depending on the package.
Link Posted: 9/27/2015 12:57:05 AM EDT
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In the early- to mid-1990s, Colt was purchased by a rich kid that claimed he was "going to show the firearms industry that it was possible to run a gun manufacturing company as a legitimate business" (implying that the entire industry was rather shady and supported crime).  

One of his early changes was to go through their product line and discontinue anything he thought was "a gun a criminal would use".  This was at the time that the handgun market had recently evolved to mainly doublestack magazines of 15 rounds or more, then got hit with the 10 round limit of the 1994 AWB and the increasing demand for concealable handguns (due to states revising their carry permit laws).  That left the handgun industry focusing on developing smaller handguns, but Colt's new owner refused to follow the industry down the path of "arming criminals".

With the reduced product line, Colt began moving some models from normal production, to 'custom shop' production, allowing a higher markup on their price, which ultimately led to an additional drop in the volume of sales.

Essentially, Colt tries to out do HK, in the "because you suck and we hate you" attitude toward what customers want.
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Now make a new DA/SA revolver.



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I don't quite understand why they don't make them anymore.  


In the early- to mid-1990s, Colt was purchased by a rich kid that claimed he was "going to show the firearms industry that it was possible to run a gun manufacturing company as a legitimate business" (implying that the entire industry was rather shady and supported crime).  

One of his early changes was to go through their product line and discontinue anything he thought was "a gun a criminal would use".  This was at the time that the handgun market had recently evolved to mainly doublestack magazines of 15 rounds or more, then got hit with the 10 round limit of the 1994 AWB and the increasing demand for concealable handguns (due to states revising their carry permit laws).  That left the handgun industry focusing on developing smaller handguns, but Colt's new owner refused to follow the industry down the path of "arming criminals".

With the reduced product line, Colt began moving some models from normal production, to 'custom shop' production, allowing a higher markup on their price, which ultimately led to an additional drop in the volume of sales.

Essentially, Colt tries to out do HK, in the "because you suck and we hate you" attitude toward what customers want.


There was a  whole lot more fuck fuck going on there at the time. Banker  Boy hired a bunch of like minded corporate nut lickers who had never been in the firearms industry before.It took the stink of the S&W deal hammered out under the ownership of Tompkins PLC (or whatever their shitass name was) to make people forget about Donald Zikla or whatever his name was. Colt came with-in an ace of following S&W down that fucking rabbit hole or possible going down that hole first.
Link Posted: 9/29/2015 7:36:44 AM EDT
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Colt is exactly like Ford. Ford was on the edge of Bankruptcy and got a contract to produce like 100,000 ford rangers for the Afghan Army and Afghan Police.
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Colt is pretty much Ford.

I'd say Colt is like GM


Colt is exactly like Ford. Ford was on the edge of Bankruptcy and got a contract to produce like 100,000 ford rangers for the Afghan Army and Afghan Police.

You think that is what saved Ford? Go back to economics class.
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I guess it wouldn't hurt your pride for the white house to fly American flags made in China then?
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It's called a mercy bailout.

The .mil didn't need Colt..........plenty of others who do just as good or better job at making M4's

honest question, how many american owned companies can product at that volume & quality?

Doesn't need to be an American company.

The world has changed. like it or not.

And besides, if a man (or company) can't stand on their own two feet...I would prefer if they went away.

We have too many useless eaters in this world as it is.



I guess it wouldn't hurt your pride for the white house to fly American flags made in China then?

Pride........lol.
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It has to be American  

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It's called a mercy bailout.

The .mil didn't need Colt..........plenty of others who do just as good or better job at making M4's

honest question, how many american owned companies can product at that volume & quality?

Doesn't need to be an American company.

The world has changed. like it or not.

And besides, if a man (or company) can't stand on their own two feet...I would prefer if they went away.

We have too many useless eaters in this world as it is.


It has to be American  

The Buy American Act was passed by U.S. Congress in 1933.
The purpose of the Buy American Act is to provide preferential treatment for domestic sources of unmanufactured articles, manufactured goods, and construction material for public use unless a specific exemption applies.
The act requires the federal government to purchase domestic supplies for use in the United States, if:
The supply contract exceeds the micro-purchase threshold; or

The supply portion of a contract for services that involves the furnishing of supplies exceeds the micro-purchase threshold. In determining what are domestic goods, the place of mining, production, or manufacture is controlling.

It can be a foreign company just needs to be built here. Just look at FN.
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And another X number of years with the rest bragging about how their $400 cobbled together builds are an equivalent.

 
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And another X number of years with the rest bragging about how their $400 cobbled together builds are an equivalent.  
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Well said.
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Best buy one now if you want one. IIRC Colt's usual MO will be to devote significant resources to the Govt contract and starve the civilian sales pipeline.
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...and bring back the Diamondback, Python, and Anaconda lines.  I've wanted a .22 Diamondback 6" as a mate for my 6" .38 Diamondback forever.  The Python is the sexiest handgun EVER made  More please...
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Now make a new DA/SA revolver.



...and bring back the Diamondback, Python, and Anaconda lines.  I've wanted a .22 Diamondback 6" as a mate for my 6" .38 Diamondback forever.  The Python is the sexiest handgun EVER made  More please...


Those handguns were made by craftsmen, and I doubt there are many left in Connecticut.
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Who's dick did the ceo suck for that one?
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Trash.
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LOL. Colt is only on the contract because they own the TDP.

They're most likely not building the rifles.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/09/foghorn/colt-on-the-brink-of-disaster-awarded-m4-m4a1-contract-kinda/
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LOL. Colt is only on the contract because they own the TDP.

They're most likely not building the rifles.

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That is not what the contract reflects.
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That is not what the contract reflects.
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LOL. Colt is only on the contract because they own the TDP.



They're most likely not building the rifles.



http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/09/foghorn/colt-on-the-brink-of-disaster-awarded-m4-m4a1-contract-kinda/








That is not what the contract reflects.
...and makes absolutely no sense.

 
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