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Posted: 11/15/2023 12:35:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Combat shotguns are awesome. If you’re a bird ALL shotguns are combat. Lol |
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Posted: 11/15/2023 12:37:40 AM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Or maybe some of us have a shit ton of experience with them and realize the massive limitations and narrow scope of them and feel other weapons are better suited for the job of home defense or room clearing. I enjoy shotguns both tactical shotguns like the m4 and classic double barrel shotguns. But when it comes to home defense, clearing rooms, or property defense, I am not reaching for a shotgun. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If I'm getting spun up it's because people with no idea of what shotguns bring to the table feel like they need to spout off about them. Of course it's not a replacement for rifles in modern day infantry tactics. So maybe you should bring it down a notch, or dont because it's your ignorance on display. Or maybe some of us have a shit ton of experience with them and realize the massive limitations and narrow scope of them and feel other weapons are better suited for the job of home defense or room clearing. I enjoy shotguns both tactical shotguns like the m4 and classic double barrel shotguns. But when it comes to home defense, clearing rooms, or property defense, I am not reaching for a shotgun. I have no doubt there are some who have used both shotguns and rifles in combat prefer rifles. While my experience in Fallujah with a shotgun has left me biased towards shotguns for immediate stops I shoot more rifles than shotguns and plan on using a rifle in any shtf scenario due to ammunition |
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Posted: 11/15/2023 12:38:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They fly under the radar of the media and gun hating politicians. If you were to use one to defend your home it won't look like your some military wannabe terrorist (according to the media) I’ve never actually seen any media accuse someone defending their home in a home invasion as a “wannabe terrorist”. AR-15 or not. |
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Posted: 11/15/2023 12:38:39 AM EDT
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I don't like shotguns. I want to like shotguns, but I have never found one I like enough to not trade in for something that's not a shotgun.
I've had traditional, tactical, pumps, O/U, SxS, pumps, mossbergs, remingtons, winchesters, an Ithica, and some Brazilian thing. 20 gauges and 12 gauges. I have never had a desire for a semi-auto shotgun. I only morally regret selling the Ithica because I kind of screwed the kid that was selling it. I was 25 (8 years ago and worse version of myself), and he was like 22yo. He needed $100 bucks for something (pot needles I always assumed) and said hey I have a shotgun I will sell you for $100. Ok deal! It was an Ithica O/U and I sold it for $300 cash the next day. I can promise you though, my family needed the $300 more than he needed the $100. About a week after that he calls me in a panic "dude I need that shotgun back! Turns out my family is really mad I sold it." I said "well, that sucks. I sold it. Here's where it is, go buy it back." Haven't talked to him since.  Now I do however have one shotgun that I will never part with but will likely never shoot. It's a bolt action Sears Roebuck 12ga my grandpa bought when he was 12 yo. Supposedly they're not safe. I don't think I want to learn the hard way whether that's true or not. Currently I think the next version of a shotgun I need to try is a 20ga SBS but that takes a little bit o' doin'. MAYBE that'll be the one that tickles my fancy. 20ga pump with a short barrel and full size stock and wood furniture. And a barrel shroud. And some sweet tactical sights. And a rail because they looks cool! 
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Posted: 11/15/2023 12:39:23 AM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: But, how are they on skunks? Very well thank you. #4 standard game load for the win. Up fairly close use a standard skeet or super speed load as well. Same thing. |
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Posted: 11/15/2023 12:40:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, but when you shoot someone they jump up in the air and fly through walls.. Lmao |
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Posted: 11/15/2023 12:43:22 AM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Had a guy on my team carry one in a scabbard on his back on the streets of Iraq circa 2009. He got more respect than the guys with an M4. There's some cultural fear of it. Just curious. Respect from who? Fellow troops? The enemy? The non-combatant citizens? |
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Posted: 11/15/2023 12:46:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just curious. Respect from who? Fellow troops? The enemy? The non-combatant citizens? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Had a guy on my team carry one in a scabbard on his back on the streets of Iraq circa 2009. He got more respect than the guys with an M4. There's some cultural fear of it. Just curious. Respect from who? Fellow troops? The enemy? The non-combatant citizens? I'm assuming everybody if old boy carries himself right. You know, kind of stiff like a hard dick and all.
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Posted: 11/15/2023 12:47:09 AM EDT
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Meh guns are like golf clubs they’re all optimized for certain areas. The level they are suboptimal for in other areas varies.
Which is why we should all agree 50bmg with a 20” bbl pretty much is the most versatile. |
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Posted: 11/15/2023 12:48:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Shot is capable of going further than you think it will. Your idea of it not being able to leave your property is false. At a mear 27 degrees, #8 shot can travel ABOUT 230 yards. 00 buckshot ABOUT 66o yards, and a 12 g slug ABOUT 1200 yards. Your right as to distances go. considering my property lay out, and the surrounding countryside no shot or slugs will leave my property. |
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Posted: 11/15/2023 12:48:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The performance measure is what happens after you pull the trigger. I get you haven't probably shot many people or game but the difference between a 12gauge and a 556 is pretty significant. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: They were popular during a time of trench warfare. Different Era. Trenches and hallways aren't effectively any different from each other, and at any rate trenches never went away so it isn't a different era at all. But in WWI, your option was a 4 foot long bolt action rifle or a pump shotgun. There's an obvious close-quarters advantage for the shotgun there. When we have intermediate cartridge, autoloading carbines, the shotgun is less desirable than it used to be. There's a reason there's a 12 gauge next to me and not an intermediate cartridge. There is a significant performance gap. No there's not, you're just emotionally attached to it. Which is fine, it's not like it won't kill people still. There's a significant performance gap between a 12gauge and a 556. This idea that a 556 is equal to a 12 gauge is laughable. Are you that ignorant to think ab77 gr bullet at 2800fps will perform the same as 1 ounce at 1400fps? Seriously I've used both vs men and deer and there is no comparison. That only makes sense if the only performance measure in existence is energy on target. It isn't. The performance measure is what happens after you pull the trigger. I get you haven't probably shot many people or game but the difference between a 12gauge and a 556 is pretty significant. 5.56 has higher energy density per reload by far. Your anecdotal evidence is irrelevant. |
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Posted: 11/15/2023 12:49:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: At the end of the day, for me, I think I'd be more likely to grab my Benelli M4 than my AR to investigate a bump in the night. Plus, from a legal standpoint, wouldn't it be easier to justify/explain one or two rounds of buckshot than 5, 8 or 10 pulls of the trigger on an AR to stop a threat? If the legal thing is your concern, maybe stick with a bedside handgun. |
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Posted: 11/15/2023 12:49:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryCoach guns are the only ones I'm interested in.   TOMBSTONE Clip - Gunfight at The O.K. Corral (1993) Kurt Russell |
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Posted: 11/15/2023 12:56:38 AM EDT
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Then there is the BIden advice on shot guns. "Shoot through the door at the bad guys." That has been used successfully in at least once in Washington state, I think. I also believe it has been used else where not sure where though.
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Posted: 11/15/2023 12:56:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Alright man, you are awesome. You win. Shot guns are the absolute bestest when you are defending your home at close range against one person and when you are surrounded by a squad of Marines with rifles and light machine guns. Happy now? Fuck man. You are reading too much into this so enjoy whatever pithy comments you want to give. How often are you attacked by a squad of Marines? I know the answer, it is zero times. Your entire premise is stupid as fuck. Shotguns win close range encounters against home invaders if the home owner has even a small amount of training. |
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Posted: 11/15/2023 12:57:19 AM EDT
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Quoted: I carried one for years. A Mossberg 590. Other than shooting birds and locks there is really nothing they do better than an AR. They are easy to short stroke under stress. Easy to miss with, contrary to popular belief. They have a low capacity and are slow as shit to reload. Sure they deal some damage but overall they suck. Not to mention the black and blue shoulders from firing 100 plus slugs a day in training. But…because I am an old(not too old) and sentimental bastard I think I am going to get a 590. Anyway, it will be cool to have one that doesn’t rattle like a steam engine. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/191077/IMG_8763_jpeg-3027889.JPG ETA: don’t get too mad, I know I am pushing buttons. But mostly I really do mean it. That doesn’t mean they aren’t awesome. I relate to, and approve this message. |
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Posted: 11/15/2023 12:57:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 5.56 has higher energy density per reload by far. Your anecdotal evidence is irrelevant. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: They were popular during a time of trench warfare. Different Era. Trenches and hallways aren't effectively any different from each other, and at any rate trenches never went away so it isn't a different era at all. But in WWI, your option was a 4 foot long bolt action rifle or a pump shotgun. There's an obvious close-quarters advantage for the shotgun there. When we have intermediate cartridge, autoloading carbines, the shotgun is less desirable than it used to be. There's a reason there's a 12 gauge next to me and not an intermediate cartridge. There is a significant performance gap. No there's not, you're just emotionally attached to it. Which is fine, it's not like it won't kill people still. There's a significant performance gap between a 12gauge and a 556. This idea that a 556 is equal to a 12 gauge is laughable. Are you that ignorant to think ab77 gr bullet at 2800fps will perform the same as 1 ounce at 1400fps? Seriously I've used both vs men and deer and there is no comparison. That only makes sense if the only performance measure in existence is energy on target. It isn't. The performance measure is what happens after you pull the trigger. I get you haven't probably shot many people or game but the difference between a 12gauge and a 556 is pretty significant. 5.56 has higher energy density per reload by far. Your anecdotal evidence is irrelevant. Lol wut |
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Posted: 11/15/2023 12:58:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryCoach guns are a hoot. I use one a couple off times a yr at the trap club and piss the rich guys off when I shoot as well as they do with their real expensive trap guns. |
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Posted: 11/15/2023 12:59:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm assuming everybody if old boy carries himself right. You know, kind of stiff like a hard dick and all. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Had a guy on my team carry one in a scabbard on his back on the streets of Iraq circa 2009. He got more respect than the guys with an M4. There's some cultural fear of it. Just curious. Respect from who? Fellow troops? The enemy? The non-combatant citizens? I'm assuming everybody if old boy carries himself right. You know, kind of stiff like a hard dick and all. Savages. They often fear bayonets, shotguns and pistols more than rifles for cultural reasons |
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Posted: 11/15/2023 1:00:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol wut Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: They were popular during a time of trench warfare. Different Era. Trenches and hallways aren't effectively any different from each other, and at any rate trenches never went away so it isn't a different era at all. But in WWI, your option was a 4 foot long bolt action rifle or a pump shotgun. There's an obvious close-quarters advantage for the shotgun there. When we have intermediate cartridge, autoloading carbines, the shotgun is less desirable than it used to be. There's a reason there's a 12 gauge next to me and not an intermediate cartridge. There is a significant performance gap. No there's not, you're just emotionally attached to it. Which is fine, it's not like it won't kill people still. There's a significant performance gap between a 12gauge and a 556. This idea that a 556 is equal to a 12 gauge is laughable. Are you that ignorant to think ab77 gr bullet at 2800fps will perform the same as 1 ounce at 1400fps? Seriously I've used both vs men and deer and there is no comparison. That only makes sense if the only performance measure in existence is energy on target. It isn't. The performance measure is what happens after you pull the trigger. I get you haven't probably shot many people or game but the difference between a 12gauge and a 556 is pretty significant. 5.56 has higher energy density per reload by far. Your anecdotal evidence is irrelevant. Lol wut Ke = 1/2 mv^2 |
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Posted: 11/15/2023 1:01:30 AM EDT
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[Tested reliable] semi-auto shotguns > pump guns. I bought a Mossberg 930 Tactical years ago and gave my Winchester 1300 to one of my sons. My HD gun is still an MP5 though. I don't really want to experience a blast from a 12 gauge at 0 dark thirty.
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Posted: 11/15/2023 1:02:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Right tool for the job and all that. There is no cheaper or easier way to put down more significant damage from a shoulder fired weapon. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know and work within its limitations either. Go to :54. Semi graphic.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bpu6XgtS02wHow many here are going to be stepping into combat tomorrow? Do you own more guns than you can carry into combat at one time? Or is it a preference or financial issue that you’re validating by saying a gun has no purpose? Buy guns. Shoot guns. Have fun and learn skills you will hopefully never need. damn that sure looks like it would hurt |
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Posted: 11/15/2023 1:08:22 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just curious. Respect from who? Fellow troops? The enemy? The non-combatant citizens? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Had a guy on my team carry one in a scabbard on his back on the streets of Iraq circa 2009. He got more respect than the guys with an M4. There's some cultural fear of it. Just curious. Respect from who? Fellow troops? The enemy? The non-combatant citizens? |
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Posted: 11/15/2023 1:10:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Short stroking is a gunshop fairy tale. I've never done it and I've never seen anyone do it under real world conditions. If you do it, you are untrained on the weapon and would fuck up just about any OTHER weapon you were never trained on. I've seen it plenty in competitions. People that aren't going to make a pump the love of their lives (like I do), should just get an autoloader. My old M590 has been gussied up with a Magpul stock and a Streamlight foreend, and will remain one of my most beloved guns, but this thing is pretty cool (when it's running well):  Attached File |
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Posted: 11/15/2023 1:17:45 AM EDT
[#25]
1301.
Is the cookie monster of shotgun shells. No short stroking. Hold more freedom seeds than most ars. |
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Posted: 11/15/2023 1:18:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've seen it plenty in competitions. People that aren't going to make a pump the love of their lives (like I do), should just get an autoloader. My old M590 has been gussied up with a Magpul stock and a Streamlight foreend, and will remain one of my most beloved guns, but this thing is pretty cool (when it's running well): https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/31657/707EC97E-3D63-4B69-9921-D25E26600E90_jpg-3028075.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Short stroking is a gunshop fairy tale. I've never done it and I've never seen anyone do it under real world conditions. If you do it, you are untrained on the weapon and would fuck up just about any OTHER weapon you were never trained on. I've seen it plenty in competitions. People that aren't going to make a pump the love of their lives (like I do), should just get an autoloader. My old M590 has been gussied up with a Magpul stock and a Streamlight foreend, and will remain one of my most beloved guns, but this thing is pretty cool (when it's running well): https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/31657/707EC97E-3D63-4B69-9921-D25E26600E90_jpg-3028075.JPG  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 11/15/2023 1:26:37 AM EDT
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I've never shot anything big with buckshot, but small animals cease to exist.
I've shot something like 20 Ohio deer with slugs. Holy shit, they do a lot of damage. Back in the early days, we used Foster style, full diameter, soft lead hollow point slugs. Their trajectory sucked, but a 3/4" entry wound, and a 1 1/2" exit wound, with everything in between utterly destroyed, has to be seen to believed. |
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Posted: 11/15/2023 1:34:53 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Tell the Germans that. Those ones are dead, so you can't. |
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Posted: 11/15/2023 1:36:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They were popular during a time of trench warfare. Different Era. |
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Posted: 11/15/2023 1:37:38 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a 1301 comp. 9 rounds of semi auto hate. Loaded with these: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/170028/IMG_9494_jpeg-3027993.JPG That do this: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/170028/IMG_9451_jpeg-3027991.JPG Imagine buckshot attached to a slug that break off when hitting tissue. @rabidus who makes that round? I’d like to try it on hogs |
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Posted: 11/15/2023 1:38:45 AM EDT
[#31]
Never been in combat with a shotgun but I dropped a 350lbs black bear dead charging at me and my sons with 00 buck at around 20 yds. I have no worries about my M4 doing its job.
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Posted: 11/15/2023 1:40:59 AM EDT
[#32]
My agency got rid of all of our shotguns (14” scattergun technologies 870’s). An M4 with 11.5” barrel was just superior.
I’m an old fart though and so I keep my Benelli M1 Super 90 because I like it. I’m grabbing an AR for any serious self defense though. |
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Posted: 11/15/2023 1:43:03 AM EDT
[#33]
They are barbarous relics. 3 gun gave them a false new life they don't deserve.
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Posted: 11/15/2023 1:44:51 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They are barbarous relics. 3 gun gave them a false new life they don't deserve. Everyone hates the shotgun stages in 3-gun |
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Posted: 11/15/2023 1:57:26 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The performance measure is what happens after you pull the trigger. I get you haven't probably shot many people or game but the difference between a 12gauge and a 556 is pretty significant. Can confirm. Every hog I’ve ever shot with 12 gauge slugs was DRT without taking another step. Not always the case when using 556 for me. |
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Posted: 11/15/2023 2:21:11 AM EDT
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https://www.amazon.com/Norco-80-Spectacular-Robbery-American/dp/1640092129
I post about this book in shotgun threads all the time. This was the end of revolvers and shotguns as fighting guns. Some random shitheads with carbines held off a bunch of hard ass cops armed with revolvers and shotguns. The shitheads had home made body armor, I think, and they got a huge break when they stole a random pick up to escape, it turned out to be a welder's truck and had metal plates in the back so they had a crude armored car. The police went after the shitheads like it was a movie. They'd charge up to the truck, taking rifle fire, and shoot from the police car with 38s and pump shot guns. It sucks that the police were treated like the high school football team who lost the big game, they fought with tenacity. I have combat shotguns and revolvers. I wonder about the future of quality fighting revolvers. Smith and Wesson is eventually going to move revolver production and the j Frame must be under huge pressure from the p365. I'm glad I got my S&W revolvers |
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Posted: 11/15/2023 2:31:21 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Alright man, you are awesome. You win. Shot guns are the absolute bestest when you are defending your home at close range against one person and when you are surrounded by a squad of Marines with rifles and light machine guns. Happy now? Fuck man. You are reading too much into this so enjoy whatever pithy comments you want to give. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If I'm getting spun up it's because people with no idea of what shotguns bring to the table feel like they need to spout off about them. Of course it's not a replacement for rifles in modern day infantry tactics. So maybe you should bring it down a notch, or dont because it's your ignorance on display. Alright man, you are awesome. You win. Shot guns are the absolute bestest when you are defending your home at close range against one person and when you are surrounded by a squad of Marines with rifles and light machine guns. Happy now? Fuck man. You are reading too much into this so enjoy whatever pithy comments you want to give. Wow. Gents. I generally like you both, and I'm not taking sides here- but can we pump the brakes a little on this? We're on the same side here. No benefit comes from putting each other off. |
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Posted: 11/15/2023 2:34:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How often are you attacked by a squad of Marines? I know the answer, it is zero times. Your entire premise is stupid as fuck. Shotguns win close range encounters against home invaders if the home owner has even a small amount of training. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Alright man, you are awesome. You win. Shot guns are the absolute bestest when you are defending your home at close range against one person and when you are surrounded by a squad of Marines with rifles and light machine guns. Happy now? Fuck man. You are reading too much into this so enjoy whatever pithy comments you want to give. How often are you attacked by a squad of Marines? I know the answer, it is zero times. Your entire premise is stupid as fuck. Shotguns win close range encounters against home invaders if the home owner has even a small amount of training. Read the post again. He's trying to say that when you have a squad of Marines WITH you, things like slower reloads aren't as big of a deal when there's a bunch of your guys covering you. The thing is, unless you're a drug dealer fighting off a rip crew, how often will you need to fire more than 7 rounds of buck or slugs in an HD situation? A CoM hit with 00 or #1 buckshot, or a Foster slug inside home defense distances, is probably the closest thing to a genuine 1-shot stopper. The Benelli M4 in the closet has #1 Flite Control in front, and Brenneke Black Magic slugs at the end, with more slugs in the side saddle (if the buck up front wasn't enough, I'll probably want some barrier penetration). That said, my HD choice is the Tavor. Short and maneuverable. Rearward balance allows for easy 1-handed use, while opening doors, grabbing young 'uns or whatever. Mag has 77gr TMK up top and RA556B at the bottom for the same reasons. |
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Posted: 11/15/2023 2:36:32 AM EDT
[#39]
If I have to rock out in a building. It’s going to be with a Benelli M4, Yugo M92 or an MP40.
that’s why you need a shot gun. |
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Posted: 11/15/2023 2:41:45 AM EDT
[#40]
I disagree mossy 500, palm Grove outside Baghdad, doves an surprisingly couple turkeys.........
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Posted: 11/15/2023 3:03:54 AM EDT
[#41]
I own 6 AR's. My bedroom gun is a Beretta 1301 with a Mesa Tactical dampener and loaded with Federal #1 Flite control.
You're welcome to break into my house and find out how well it works.  |
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Posted: 11/15/2023 3:18:37 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @rabidus who makes that round? I’d like to try it on hogs Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I have a 1301 comp. 9 rounds of semi auto hate. Loaded with these: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/170028/IMG_9494_jpeg-3027993.JPG That do this: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/170028/IMG_9451_jpeg-3027991.JPG Imagine buckshot attached to a slug that break off when hitting tissue. @rabidus who makes that round? I’d like to try it on hogs @Action45 I make my own but you can get them here: $25/10 |
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Posted: 11/15/2023 3:25:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I have a 1301 comp. 9 rounds of semi auto hate. Loaded with these: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/170028/IMG_9494_jpeg-3027993.JPG That do this: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/170028/IMG_9451_jpeg-3027991.JPG Imagine buckshot attached to a slug that break off when hitting tissue. @rabidus who makes that round? I’d like to try it on hogs @Action45 I make my own but you can get them here: $25/10 Thx bro |
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Posted: 11/15/2023 3:44:02 AM EDT
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Page 4 too late to chime in, but…
I’m always surprised on Arfcom to read about short stroke problems. Years of hunting desert quail at nearly a dead run to keep up with the covey, and have never had a problem with a Remington 870. I’ve had more problems with ARs tbh. |
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Posted: 11/15/2023 3:59:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Page 4 too late to chime in, but I'm always surprised on Arfcom to read about short stroke problems. Years of hunting desert quail at nearly a dead run to keep up with the covey, and have never had a problem with a Remington 870. I've had more problems with ARs tbh. |
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Posted: 11/15/2023 4:14:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Combat shotguns are effective. They may not be my number 1 choice, but they can be used effectively by someone properly trained. Of course, internet cool guys would never want to be seen without an sbr in whatever the newest paint/ furniture color is. https://resources.mossberg.com/journal/the-mighty-590a1 I know Jeremy personally, he is a solid dude. I would take Jeremy with a shotgun in a gun fight over internet cool guys with a fancy camo sbr. I like how you came in a thread and just immediately start calling everyone in the thread names for not liking what you like. |
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Posted: 11/15/2023 5:03:19 AM EDT
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Quoted: I carried one for years. A Mossberg 590. Other than shooting birds and locks there is really nothing they do better than an AR. They are easy to short stroke under stress. Easy to miss with, contrary to popular belief. They have a low capacity and are slow as shit to reload. Sure they deal some damage but overall they suck. Not to mention the black and blue shoulders from firing 100 plus slugs a day in training. But…because I am an old(not too old) and sentimental bastard I think I am going to get a 590. Anyway, it will be cool to have one that doesn’t rattle like a steam engine. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/191077/IMG_8763_jpeg-3027889.JPG ETA: don’t get too mad, I know I am pushing buttons. But mostly I really do mean it. That doesn’t mean they aren’t awesome. They don't even shoot bucks better. Shooting birds and delivering specialist payloads if you don't have a 40mm is all they're good for. |
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Posted: 11/15/2023 5:05:14 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Inside a house a SBS shotgun is pretty damn awesome. But aside for that they are outdated weapons, give me a short AR... If reliable semi auto carbines didn't exist then a shotgun is a perfectly fine weapon. But they do and are better in every way. Now that they aren't even more expensive, the shotgun is redundant. |
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Posted: 11/15/2023 5:11:48 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/15/2023 5:16:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Combat shotguns are awesome. If you’re a bird ALL shotguns are combat. Lol If you think of a hall as a trench, or maybe if overing a door and waiting on the assailant to rush you. Honestly I would prefer an AR, but not gonna disown my 1301. |
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