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Posted: 1/20/2014 9:56:40 PM EDT
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It's pretty shocking when your entire experience with the police is three police cruisers stopping your teenaged self on the way home from work at 9 pm, because being out that late is suspicious behavior. Or a cop showing up and threatening you with a disturbing the peace charge because your neighbor, half a mile away called to complain that you were cutting wood on a Saturday afternoon. Or you were threatened with a disturbing the peace charge if you didn't decide to let things slide after you called the police when someone pepper sprayed your leashed dog or hurled a beer bottle at your car as you were driving by. Or got pulled over after stopping at a stop sign and were told you blew through it at at least 30 mph. Or a cop shows up and demands to talk to every single person in the house after every single house on the street suddenly and mysteriously calls 911 and doesn't say anything. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Instances like this happen every single day, but are not as remarkable or salacious as to counter the "If it bleeds, it leads" headlines. It's pretty shocking when your entire experience with the police is three police cruisers stopping your teenaged self on the way home from work at 9 pm, because being out that late is suspicious behavior. Or a cop showing up and threatening you with a disturbing the peace charge because your neighbor, half a mile away called to complain that you were cutting wood on a Saturday afternoon. Or you were threatened with a disturbing the peace charge if you didn't decide to let things slide after you called the police when someone pepper sprayed your leashed dog or hurled a beer bottle at your car as you were driving by. Or got pulled over after stopping at a stop sign and were told you blew through it at at least 30 mph. Or a cop shows up and demands to talk to every single person in the house after every single house on the street suddenly and mysteriously calls 911 and doesn't say anything. Ever hear of internal affairs??? 
Majority of cops terminated from my agency in last year were as a direct result of IA investigating citizen complaints. A GOOD cop hates a BAD cop worse than any citizen ever will. |
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Posted: 1/20/2014 9:58:31 PM EDT
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It's pretty shocking when your entire experience with the police is three police cruisers stopping your teenaged self on the way home from work at 9 pm, because being out that late is suspicious behavior. Or a cop showing up and threatening you with a disturbing the peace charge because your neighbor, half a mile away called to complain that you were cutting wood on a Saturday afternoon. Or you were threatened with a disturbing the peace charge if you didn't decide to let things slide after you called the police when someone pepper sprayed your leashed dog or hurled a beer bottle at your car as you were driving by. Or got pulled over after stopping at a stop sign and were told you blew through it at at least 30 mph. Or a cop shows up and demands to talk to every single person in the house after every single house on the street suddenly and mysteriously calls 911 and doesn't say anything. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Instances like this happen every single day, but are not as remarkable or salacious as to counter the "If it bleeds, it leads" headlines. It's pretty shocking when your entire experience with the police is three police cruisers stopping your teenaged self on the way home from work at 9 pm, because being out that late is suspicious behavior. Or a cop showing up and threatening you with a disturbing the peace charge because your neighbor, half a mile away called to complain that you were cutting wood on a Saturday afternoon. Or you were threatened with a disturbing the peace charge if you didn't decide to let things slide after you called the police when someone pepper sprayed your leashed dog or hurled a beer bottle at your car as you were driving by. Or got pulled over after stopping at a stop sign and were told you blew through it at at least 30 mph. Or a cop shows up and demands to talk to every single person in the house after every single house on the street suddenly and mysteriously calls 911 and doesn't say anything. Well that sucks. I can see where that would tend to give one a gimlet eye. |
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Posted: 1/20/2014 10:00:22 PM EDT
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On "routine" traffic stops which make up 90+% of my stops, 5% or less. On DWI investigations 100% of the time On stops where I have reasonable suspicious criminal activity is going on 100% of the time Quote HistoryQuoted:
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1057, just answer this question: when you ask someone where they are going, what %of the time are you fishing and what % are you looking to help the fellow avoid a traffic issue? On "routine" traffic stops which make up 90+% of my stops, 5% or less. On DWI investigations 100% of the time On stops where I have reasonable suspicious criminal activity is going on 100% of the time to be clear, are you saying, that in a routine stop for speeding etc, that when you ask where someone is going, only 5% of the timeyou are fishing, the other 95% of the time your motive is purely altruistic? |
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Posted: 1/20/2014 10:02:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ever hear of internal affairs??? Majority of cops terminated from my agency in last year were as a direct result of IA investigating citizen complaints. A GOOD cop hates a BAD cop worse than any citizen ever will. That's adorable. Really. |
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Posted: 1/20/2014 10:03:33 PM EDT
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That's adorable. Really. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ever hear of internal affairs???
Majority of cops terminated from my agency in last year were as a direct result of IA investigating citizen complaints. A GOOD cop hates a BAD cop worse than any citizen ever will. That's adorable. Really.  Glad you think so.
Makes more sense to sit on the internet and complain 
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Posted: 1/20/2014 10:04:56 PM EDT
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to be clear, are you saying, that in a routine stop for speeding etc, that when you ask where someone is going, only 5% of the timeyou are fishing, the other 95% of the time your motive is purely altruistic? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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1057, just answer this question: when you ask someone where they are going, what %of the time are you fishing and what % are you looking to help the fellow avoid a traffic issue? On "routine" traffic stops which make up 90+% of my stops, 5% or less. On DWI investigations 100% of the time On stops where I have reasonable suspicious criminal activity is going on 100% of the time to be clear, are you saying, that in a routine stop for speeding etc, that when you ask where someone is going, only 5% of the timeyou are fishing, the other 95% of the time your motive is purely altruistic? Nope.... Only 5% of the time on "routine" stops do I ASK. |
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Posted: 1/20/2014 10:06:04 PM EDT
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My entire experience with police, besides routine traffic stops, has been being detained for being out at night, or for being armed, or both.
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Posted: 1/20/2014 10:08:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/20/2014 10:09:00 PM EDT
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Ok. Thx. Well when u do ask what % of the time are Nope.... Only 5% of the time on "routine" stops do I ASK. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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1057, just answer this question: when you ask someone where they are going, what %of the time are you fishing and what % are you looking to help the fellow avoid a traffic issue? On "routine" traffic stops which make up 90+% of my stops, 5% or less. On DWI investigations 100% of the time On stops where I have reasonable suspicious criminal activity is going on 100% of the time to be clear, are you saying, that in a routine stop for speeding etc, that when you ask where someone is going, only 5% of the timeyou are fishing, the other 95% of the time your motive is purely altruistic? Ok. Thx. Well when u do ask what % of the time are Nope.... Only 5% of the time on "routine" stops do I ASK. Ok. Well when u do ask on a routine stop, what % of the time are you looking to prevent the motorist from encountering a traffic issue? |
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Posted: 1/20/2014 10:15:22 PM EDT
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You know what'll really change people's minds about cops? A funny wink from a cop after some nonsense about good cops and bad cops. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ever hear of internal affairs???
Majority of cops terminated from my agency in last year were as a direct result of IA investigating citizen complaints. A GOOD cop hates a BAD cop worse than any citizen ever will. That's adorable. Really. You know what'll really change people's minds about cops? A funny wink from a cop after some nonsense about good cops and bad cops. Being as you deleted the text I included tells me you have your mind made up about police, and your choosing to sit on the computer and complain about it rather than exercising your rights as a citizen and complaining to the agency that can actually do something about problem cops in your AO |
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Posted: 1/20/2014 10:15:46 PM EDT
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My entire experience with police, besides routine traffic stops, has been being detained for being out at night, or for being armed, or both. I dont like being cuffed, disarmed and having some cop reach in my pants pockets. To be honest, I'm not a big fan of that myself. |
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Posted: 1/20/2014 10:17:16 PM EDT
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I watched both as well. That second one really makes me nervous where this country is heading. Wow! Shit that was close for you. Saladin. Quote HistoryQuoted:
I watched both as well. That second one really makes me nervous where this country is heading. Wow! Shit that was close for you. Saladin. Heading? We are there. Quoted:
Fuuuuuuuck. I hate road blocks. I hate them with all of my being. I hate the people who fund and operate them. Really, I can't think of anything worse. The door-to-door searches in Boston, maybe, but it seemed you could just keep the door locked and not respond while you sat quietly with a rifle. Roadblocks, they stop your travel and hold you hostage. |
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Posted: 1/20/2014 10:21:04 PM EDT
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To be honest, I'm not a big fan of that myself. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My entire experience with police, besides routine traffic stops, has been being detained for being out at night, or for being armed, or both. I dont like being cuffed, disarmed and having some cop reach in my pants pockets. To be honest, I'm not a big fan of that myself. Me either... When it has to be done, I hope a rookie is on scene |
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Posted: 1/20/2014 10:22:30 PM EDT
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So in the almost 30 years you've been a cop, not one smartphone uploaded content to the cloud? Not one? Not in 30 years? 
Reminds me of this movie, dumb, dumber and dumb as fuck. 
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http://www.bambuser.com "Take my phone, I don't care. The video is already gone to the cloud along with your career, asshole." Rarely does it work that way. I really don't see why the fools believe that, it's never happened in my almost 30 years of LE experience. So in the almost 30 years you've been a cop, not one smartphone uploaded content to the cloud? Not one? Not in 30 years?
Reminds me of this movie, dumb, dumber and dumb as fuck.
He's talking about police being held accountable, rarely is anyone fired for being an asshole, blue line and all that. |
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Posted: 1/20/2014 10:22:49 PM EDT
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Ok. Well when u do ask on a routine stop, what % of the time are you looking to prevent the motorist from encountering a traffic issue? 99.99% of the time |
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Posted: 1/20/2014 10:24:11 PM EDT
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My entire experience with police, besides routine traffic stops, has been being detained for being out at night, or for being armed, or both. I dont like being cuffed, disarmed and having some cop reach in my pants pockets. To be honest, I'm not a big fan of that myself. Me either... When it has to be done, I hope a rookie is on scene Yup, last summer, my Sergeant asked a dude at least 5 times if he had anything in his pocket that would, "Cut me, poke me, stab me". Kid said, "Nope". Sergeant was still being careful and pinch/pulling the kid's pocket out, and got a needle stick from a loaded syringe full of cocaine. Fuckers. |
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Posted: 1/20/2014 10:25:36 PM EDT
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He's talking about police being held accountable, rarely is anyone fired for being an asshole, blue line and all that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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http://www.bambuser.com "Take my phone, I don't care. The video is already gone to the cloud along with your career, asshole." Rarely does it work that way. I really don't see why the fools believe that, it's never happened in my almost 30 years of LE experience. So in the almost 30 years you've been a cop, not one smartphone uploaded content to the cloud? Not one? Not in 30 years?
Reminds me of this movie, dumb, dumber and dumb as fuck.
He's talking about police being held accountable, rarely is anyone fired for being an asshole, blue line and all that. We had a guy fired for having CONSENSUAL sex on duty that was also arrested and charged with sexual assault and official oppression. Woman who officer was having sex with never pressed charges. Ya, laugh it up with your infinite GD internet wisdom
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Posted: 1/20/2014 10:25:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: To be honest, I'm not a big fan of that myself. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: My entire experience with police, besides routine traffic stops, has been being detained for being out at night, or for being armed, or both. I dont like being cuffed, disarmed and having some cop reach in my pants pockets. To be honest, I'm not a big fan of that myself. I thought that's what you guys did for fun. A little pocket pool now and then.  |
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Posted: 1/20/2014 10:29:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Being as you deleted the text I included tells me you have your mind made up about police, and your choosing to sit on the computer and complain about it rather than exercising your rights as a citizen and complaining to the agency that can actually do something about problem cops in your AO Yes. It was a lovely edit. Didn't really change much. You probably should have just left it as is. What makes you think no one is doing anything? Last I heard, they were working on eliminating the state police barracks and laying off half the local force. Truly horrifying to people who think a cop for every 500 people in town is an acceptable state of affairs. |
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Posted: 1/20/2014 10:30:20 PM EDT
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Yup, last summer, my Sergeant asked a dude at least 5 times if he had anything in his pocket that would, "Cut me, poke me, stab me". Kid said, "Nope". Sergeant was still being careful and pinch/pulling the kid's pocket out, and got a needle stick from a loaded syringe full of cocaine. Fuckers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My entire experience with police, besides routine traffic stops, has been being detained for being out at night, or for being armed, or both. I dont like being cuffed, disarmed and having some cop reach in my pants pockets. To be honest, I'm not a big fan of that myself. Me either... When it has to be done, I hope a rookie is on scene Yup, last summer, my Sergeant asked a dude at least 5 times if he had anything in his pocket that would, "Cut me, poke me, stab me". Kid said, "Nope". Sergeant was still being careful and pinch/pulling the kid's pocket out, and got a needle stick from a loaded syringe full of cocaine. Fuckers. Wouldn't it behoove you to frisk the pocket first to get an idea what is inside? That is what they teach us when we transport legals and overdoses. I'm not sticking my hands into shit until I have an idea what's in there. |
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Posted: 1/20/2014 10:30:29 PM EDT
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I thought that's what you guys did for fun. A little pocket pool now and then.
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My entire experience with police, besides routine traffic stops, has been being detained for being out at night, or for being armed, or both. I dont like being cuffed, disarmed and having some cop reach in my pants pockets. To be honest, I'm not a big fan of that myself. I thought that's what you guys did for fun. A little pocket pool now and then.
Sorry, no Hotel/Motel here, big fella'! 
But, like they say in training, if the suspect or you aren't a little embarrassed, you haven't searched them correctly. |
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Posted: 1/20/2014 10:30:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yup, last summer, my Sergeant asked a dude at least 5 times if he had anything in his pocket that would, "Cut me, poke me, stab me". Kid said, "Nope". Sergeant was still being careful and pinch/pulling the kid's pocket out, and got a needle stick from a loaded syringe full of cocaine. Fuckers. Was it worth it? |
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Posted: 1/20/2014 10:33:02 PM EDT
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Wouldn't it behoove you to frisk the pocket first to get an idea what is inside? That is what they teach us when we transport legals and overdoses. I'm not sticking my hands into shit until I have an idea what's in there. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My entire experience with police, besides routine traffic stops, has been being detained for being out at night, or for being armed, or both. I dont like being cuffed, disarmed and having some cop reach in my pants pockets. To be honest, I'm not a big fan of that myself. Me either... When it has to be done, I hope a rookie is on scene Yup, last summer, my Sergeant asked a dude at least 5 times if he had anything in his pocket that would, "Cut me, poke me, stab me". Kid said, "Nope". Sergeant was still being careful and pinch/pulling the kid's pocket out, and got a needle stick from a loaded syringe full of cocaine. Fuckers. Wouldn't it behoove you to frisk the pocket first to get an idea what is inside? That is what they teach us when we transport legals and overdoses. I'm not sticking my hands into shit until I have an idea what's in there. He did do an outer pat. Kid was a student, and had several disposable pens in their too. |
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Posted: 1/20/2014 10:33:04 PM EDT
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Yup, last summer, my Sergeant asked a dude at least 5 times if he had anything in his pocket that would, "Cut me, poke me, stab me". Kid said, "Nope". Sergeant was still being careful and pinch/pulling the kid's pocket out, and got a needle stick from a loaded syringe full of cocaine. Fuckers. Was it worth it? And what do you mean by that??? |
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Posted: 1/20/2014 10:33:35 PM EDT
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Yup, last summer, my Sergeant asked a dude at least 5 times if he had anything in his pocket that would, "Cut me, poke me, stab me". Kid said, "Nope". Sergeant was still being careful and pinch/pulling the kid's pocket out, and got a needle stick from a loaded syringe full of cocaine. Fuckers. Was it worth it? I'm sorry, I don't understand your question. |
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Posted: 1/20/2014 10:34:13 PM EDT
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Yes. It was a lovely edit. Didn't really change much. You probably should have just left it as is. What makes you think no one is doing anything? Last I heard, they were working on eliminating the state police barracks and laying off half the local force. Truly horrifying to people who think a cop for every 500 people in town is an acceptable state of affairs. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Being as you deleted the text I included tells me you have your mind made up about police, and your choosing to sit on the computer and complain about it rather than exercising your rights as a citizen and complaining to the agency that can actually do something about problem cops in your AO Yes. It was a lovely edit. Didn't really change much. You probably should have just left it as is. What makes you think no one is doing anything? Last I heard, they were working on eliminating the state police barracks and laying off half the local force. Truly horrifying to people who think a cop for every 500 people in town is an acceptable state of affairs. You just confirmed my theory.. |
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Posted: 1/20/2014 10:35:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And what do you mean by that??? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Yup, last summer, my Sergeant asked a dude at least 5 times if he had anything in his pocket that would, "Cut me, poke me, stab me". Kid said, "Nope". Sergeant was still being careful and pinch/pulling the kid's pocket out, and got a needle stick from a loaded syringe full of cocaine. Fuckers. Was it worth it? And what do you mean by that??? Was risking an infection of HIV or Hepatitis or God knows what else worth whatever he was looking for while rummaging through another man's pockets? It's a fairly simple question. |
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Posted: 1/20/2014 10:38:51 PM EDT
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Was risking an infection of HIV or Hepatitis or God knows what else worth whatever he was looking for while rummaging through another man's pockets? It's a fairly simple question. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yup, last summer, my Sergeant asked a dude at least 5 times if he had anything in his pocket that would, "Cut me, poke me, stab me". Kid said, "Nope". Sergeant was still being careful and pinch/pulling the kid's pocket out, and got a needle stick from a loaded syringe full of cocaine. Fuckers. Was it worth it? And what do you mean by that??? Was risking an infection of HIV or Hepatitis or God knows what else worth whatever he was looking for while rummaging through another man's pockets? It's a fairly simple question. Rummaging? Are you serious!? Let me flesh the story out a little for you. Kid had an underage girl with him (15 yrs old). He and several buddies had plied her with alcohol, and he was a IV drug user. They thought it a great idea to head up into the mountains and race around the dirt roads, subsequently rolling and injuring everyone. They were in the process of righting the righting the vehicle when Deputies arrived, and two had already run off into the dark, injured. Kid was high and drunk. Incident to arrest, one is patted down, and items of contraband or potential weapons are removed and secured. Was that still "rummaging"? |
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Posted: 1/20/2014 10:43:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Rummaging? Are you serious!? Let me flesh the story out a little for you. Kid had an underage girl with him (15 yrs old). He and several buddies had plied her with alcohol, and he was a IV drug user. They thought it a great idea to head up into the mountains and race around the dirt roads, subsequently rolling and injuring everyone. They were in the process of righting the righting the vehicle when Deputies arrived, and two had already run off into the dark, injured. Kid was high and drunk. Incident to arrest, one is patted down, and items of contraband or potential weapons are removed and secured. Was that still "rummaging"? Sounds like your sergeant was pretty gullible. How did he make sergeant? |
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Posted: 1/20/2014 10:46:21 PM EDT
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Rummaging? Are you serious!? Let me flesh the story out a little for you. Kid had an underage girl with him (15 yrs old). He and several buddies had plied her with alcohol, and he was a IV drug user. They thought it a great idea to head up into the mountains and race around the dirt roads, subsequently rolling and injuring everyone. They were in the process of righting the righting the vehicle when Deputies arrived, and two had already run off into the dark, injured. Kid was high and drunk. Incident to arrest, one is patted down, and items of contraband or potential weapons are removed and secured. Was that still "rummaging"? Sounds like your sergeant was pretty gullible. How did he make sergeant? Sounds like you are trolling now. Obviously you didn't read where he pinch/pulled the pocket open, yet still was jabbed. Please, regale us with a better solution, I'm all ears. |
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Posted: 1/20/2014 10:48:39 PM EDT
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Ok. Well when u do ask on a routine stop, what % of the time are you looking to prevent the motorist from encountering a traffic issue? 99.99% of the time Hang on, u,r tellin me, that unless someone seems to,b impared, when u ask,them where they r goin, it is,virtually always to help tgem avoid traffic problems. U virtually,never are fishing for,some incriminating or contradictory statement that u,can use to get a rs or pc to further detain and maybe search? Nothing against u personally, I,just find that hard to beliee. |
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Posted: 1/20/2014 10:49:32 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/20/2014 10:52:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sounds like you are trolling now. Obviously you didn't read where he pinch/pulled the pocket open, yet still was jabbed. Please, regale us with a better solution, I'm all ears. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Rummaging? Are you serious!? Let me flesh the story out a little for you. Kid had an underage girl with him (15 yrs old). He and several buddies had plied her with alcohol, and he was a IV drug user. They thought it a great idea to head up into the mountains and race around the dirt roads, subsequently rolling and injuring everyone. They were in the process of righting the righting the vehicle when Deputies arrived, and two had already run off into the dark, injured. Kid was high and drunk. Incident to arrest, one is patted down, and items of contraband or potential weapons are removed and secured. Was that still "rummaging"? Sounds like your sergeant was pretty gullible. How did he make sergeant? Sounds like you are trolling now. Obviously you didn't read where he pinch/pulled the pocket open, yet still was jabbed. Please, regale us with a better solution, I'm all ears. I'm just saying, if I were reaching into a known IV drug user's pockets, while he was currently high, post car wreck, I don't think I'd believe him if he told me there was nothing cutty, pokie, or stabby in his pockets. I'm not a cop, though. |
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Posted: 1/20/2014 10:52:22 PM EDT
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Hang on, u,r tellin me, that unless someone seems to,b impared, when u ask,them where they r goin, it is,virtually always to help tgem avoid traffic problems. U virtually,never are fishing for,some incriminating or contradictory statement that u,can use to get a rs or pc to further detain and maybe search? Nothing against u personally, I,just find that hard to beliee. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ok. Well when u do ask on a routine stop, what % of the time are you looking to prevent the motorist from encountering a traffic issue? 99.99% of the time Hang on, u,r tellin me, that unless someone seems to,b impared, when u ask,them where they r goin, it is,virtually always to help tgem avoid traffic problems. U virtually,never are fishing for,some incriminating or contradictory statement that u,can use to get a rs or pc to further detain and maybe search? Nothing against u personally, I,just find that hard to beliee. I remembered when I first learned how to text too. |
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Posted: 1/20/2014 10:53:54 PM EDT
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Rummaging? Are you serious!? Let me flesh the story out a little for you. Kid had an underage girl with him (15 yrs old). He and several buddies had plied her with alcohol, and he was a IV drug user. They thought it a great idea to head up into the mountains and race around the dirt roads, subsequently rolling and injuring everyone. They were in the process of righting the righting the vehicle when Deputies arrived, and two had already run off into the dark, injured. Kid was high and drunk. Incident to arrest, one is patted down, and items of contraband or potential weapons are removed and secured. Was that still "rummaging"? Sounds like your sergeant was pretty gullible. How did he make sergeant? Really? After reading your post it's pretty clear why you have had issues with the police. |
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Posted: 1/20/2014 10:54:44 PM EDT
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So let me get this straight.... I'm the evil police officer because a citizen exercised their rights, decided they no longer wanted to be detained by me, question by me or talk to me, and I didn't choose to further detain the guy against his will?? So am I to understand it's okay to detain someone with no PC, reasonable suspicion, nothing if it works to the citizens advantage?? Perhaps I should have set a road block on the route that gentleman decided to take.
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I stopped a guy the other day for a minor equipment violation, brake light out. Explained to the gentleman why I stopped him and per policy I couldn't simply release him with a verbal warning, that I would have to write him a written warning. Well after I got finished and handed him his warning, I politely asked him where he was going. He politely told me he didn't wish to answer any questions and asked if he was free to leave. I told him yes, and watched as he made a left turn onto a road that's about 15 miles long on an island with no side streets that was closed at the 14mile point because of a bad accident Troopers were working. Could have saved the guy 30 minutes as well as some gas. All well So, you are an ...... If you were a considerate guy, you would have volunteered that info to him, saved him hassle and save congestion at the accident scene. But since he disrespected your authority by reasonably assuming you,were justjust going fishing or flexing your badge which is what cops are doing 99.99999% of the time when they askwhere you are going, you kept that helpful info to yourself. ...to be an ....., yes. If he wanted to be a thoughtful consideraye person who wants to make the world a better place than he would have said: "bro, if u r going that way, watch out for...." But no, instead of just volunteering the info, he asked the infamous "where are you going" question. You wanna talk about butthurt, you cops get awfully buthurt whrn we dont act all honoroed and fawn when you ask us where we are going. Dont deny the purpose,of the question, virtually always, is to fish for incriminating info. Why are you upset at people who are well informed enought to know that a copasking them for info is not in their interests. So let me get this straight.... I'm the evil police officer because a citizen exercised their rights, decided they no longer wanted to be detained by me, question by me or talk to me, and I didn't choose to further detain the guy against his will?? So am I to understand it's okay to detain someone with no PC, reasonable suspicion, nothing if it works to the citizens advantage?? Perhaps I should have set a road block on the route that gentleman decided to take.
Y'all are a hoot... You choose to exercise your rights, your rights aren't violated and still you bitch... You could have asked if he was headed down 'XY' Road, then when he said yes or asked why, informed him of the problem...... Maybe you could have changed his 'tude, around......
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Posted: 1/20/2014 10:56:43 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/20/2014 10:57:44 PM EDT
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I'm just saying, if I were reaching into a known IV drug user's pockets, while he was currently high, post car wreck, I don't think I'd believe him if he told me there was nothing cutty, pokie, or stabby in his pockets. I'm not a cop, though. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Rummaging? Are you serious!? Let me flesh the story out a little for you. Kid had an underage girl with him (15 yrs old). He and several buddies had plied her with alcohol, and he was a IV drug user. They thought it a great idea to head up into the mountains and race around the dirt roads, subsequently rolling and injuring everyone. They were in the process of righting the righting the vehicle when Deputies arrived, and two had already run off into the dark, injured. Kid was high and drunk. Incident to arrest, one is patted down, and items of contraband or potential weapons are removed and secured. Was that still "rummaging"? Sounds like your sergeant was pretty gullible. How did he make sergeant? Sounds like you are trolling now. Obviously you didn't read where he pinch/pulled the pocket open, yet still was jabbed. Please, regale us with a better solution, I'm all ears. I'm just saying, if I were reaching into a known IV drug user's pockets, while he was currently high, post car wreck, I don't think I'd believe him if he told me there was nothing cutty, pokie, or stabby in his pockets. I'm not a cop, though. So, you have nothing constructive to put forth on how to better clear one's pockets? It was not known he was an IV drug user until after the syringe was found. He had several disposable pens in the same pocket, the same size as the diabetic needle in the pocket. An outer patdown was performed first. A trained and acceptable practice of 'Pinch/pull" was utilized to ascertain what was in the pocket. No "reaching into" or "rummaging" occurred. A needle stick occurred. You are likely deliberately being obtuse, an idiot, or a troll. |
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Posted: 1/20/2014 10:58:35 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/20/2014 10:59:04 PM EDT
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Hang on, u,r tellin me, that unless someone seems to,b impared, when u ask,them where they r goin, it is,virtually always to help tgem avoid traffic problems. U virtually,never are fishing for,some incriminating or contradictory statement that u,can use to get a rs or pc to further detain and maybe search? Nothing against u personally, I,just find that hard to beliee. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ok. Well when u do ask on a routine stop, what % of the time are you looking to prevent the motorist from encountering a traffic issue? 99.99% of the time Hang on, u,r tellin me, that unless someone seems to,b impared, when u ask,them where they r goin, it is,virtually always to help tgem avoid traffic problems. U virtually,never are fishing for,some incriminating or contradictory statement that u,can use to get a rs or pc to further detain and maybe search? Nothing against u personally, I,just find that hard to beliee. Presently I feel like your asking legitimate questions, no offense taken 
Keep in mind I've been doing this job well over a decade, so experience helps me. When I approach someone initially on a stop, the first 30-60 seconds of the "routine" stop I can usually determine by smells, plain sight, actions of driver(sweating when it's 40 degrees outside, ect) if this is routine stop or if I need to investigate further into possible criminal activity. And correct, unless I spot a tell tell sign something's up, I don't start asking a million questions. I don't search many cars, but 9 out of 10 cars I do I make an arrest. |
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Posted: 1/20/2014 10:59:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So, you have nothing constructive to put forth on how to better clear one's pockets? It was not known he was an IV drug user until after the syringe was found. He had several disposable pens in the same pocket, the same size as the diabetic needle in the pocket. An outer patdown was performed first. A trained and acceptable practice of 'Pinch/pull" was utilized to ascertain what was in the pocket. No "reaching into" or "rummaging" occurred. A needle stick occurred. You are likely deliberately being obtuse, an idiot, or a troll. Take his pants off if you're that worried about it. |
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Posted: 1/20/2014 11:02:33 PM EDT
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So, you have nothing constructive to put forth on how to better clear one's pockets? It was not known he was an IV drug user until after the syringe was found. He had several disposable pens in the same pocket, the same size as the diabetic needle in the pocket. An outer patdown was performed first. A trained and acceptable practice of 'Pinch/pull" was utilized to ascertain what was in the pocket. No "reaching into" or "rummaging" occurred. A needle stick occurred. You are likely deliberately being obtuse, an idiot, or a troll. Take his pants off if you're that worried about it. Does your Mom know you're still up? |
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Posted: 1/20/2014 11:05:28 PM EDT
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Really? After reading your post it's pretty clear why you have had issues with the police. Faulty 911 systems? Annoying neighbors? Please, enlighten me. You do know 911 comes back to an actual phone # right? 70% of the domestic disputes that is the same excuses they always give. I always love it when I do a call back and their phone rings. As for the enlightening part, I'm not going to waste my time trying. Seems you have it all figured out. |
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Posted: 1/20/2014 11:06:15 PM EDT
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You could have asked if he was headed down 'XY' Road, then when he said yes or asked why, informed him of the problem...... Maybe you could have changed his 'tude, around...... Again, after traffic stop was concluded and "violator" was given a written warning. Going back to kindergarten here, at this point he was free to leave and I couldn't legally detain him any longer. Especially after if he asked if he was being detained. Stop was over. He didn't want to talk to me. Under these circumstances am I to understand that it's ok to violate his rights and detain him? |
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Posted: 1/20/2014 11:07:44 PM EDT
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So, you have nothing constructive to put forth on how to better clear one's pockets? It was not known he was an IV drug user until after the syringe was found. He had several disposable pens in the same pocket, the same size as the diabetic needle in the pocket. An outer patdown was performed first. A trained and acceptable practice of 'Pinch/pull" was utilized to ascertain what was in the pocket. No "reaching into" or "rummaging" occurred. A needle stick occurred. You are likely deliberately being obtuse, an idiot, or a troll. Take his pants off if you're that worried about it. Does your Mom know you're still up? But that would have started another great GD troll thread!!
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Posted: 1/20/2014 11:09:30 PM EDT
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So, you have nothing constructive to put forth on how to better clear one's pockets? It was not known he was an IV drug user until after the syringe was found. He had several disposable pens in the same pocket, the same size as the diabetic needle in the pocket. An outer patdown was performed first. A trained and acceptable practice of 'Pinch/pull" was utilized to ascertain what was in the pocket. No "reaching into" or "rummaging" occurred. A needle stick occurred. You are likely deliberately being obtuse, an idiot, or a troll. Take his pants off if you're that worried about it. Does your Mom know you're still up? But that would have started another great GD troll thread!!
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Posted: 1/20/2014 11:10:14 PM EDT
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A very safe community where homes start at about $800K and top out at about $35M and people from around the world pay $3,000 a night for hotel rooms. So yes, if your under 18 and out after curfew mommy or daddy is getting a call unless its for school, work or church. Preventing one vandalism or teenage pregnancy at a time.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Curfew? Jesus Christ. What kind of progressive shithole have you created/decided to work in? A very safe community where homes start at about $800K and top out at about $35M and people from around the world pay $3,000 a night for hotel rooms. So yes, if your under 18 and out after curfew mommy or daddy is getting a call unless its for school, work or church. Preventing one vandalism or teenage pregnancy at a time. Sounds like a rough area
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Posted: 1/20/2014 11:10:51 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/20/2014 11:13:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You do know 911 comes back to an actual phone # right? 70% of the domestic disputes that is the same excuses they always give. I always love it when I do a call back and their phone rings. As for the enlightening part, I'm not going to waste my time trying. Seems you have it all figured out. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Really? After reading your post it's pretty clear why you have had issues with the police. Faulty 911 systems? Annoying neighbors? Please, enlighten me. You do know 911 comes back to an actual phone # right? 70% of the domestic disputes that is the same excuses they always give. I always love it when I do a call back and their phone rings. As for the enlightening part, I'm not going to waste my time trying. Seems you have it all figured out. When you're told, as they're leaving, that they're going door to door because the system is generating false calls... Calling back could have saved a lot of time. I feel bad for the guys at the end of the street who actually called, though. |
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Posted: 1/20/2014 11:14:00 PM EDT
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Does your Mom know you're still up? No. I'd better turn the lights off before she catches me. She doesn't approve of arguing with police men on the internet. Passive/aggressive non answering of questions; misreading posts, and coming to your own conclusions despite what is detalied is not arguing. |
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