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Posted: 7/23/2024 3:41:44 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: She gets another decade older every time the age cope is posted.  Sorry she looks rocked out, but she was 36 years old. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: LOL at all the people thinking an 80 year old skin and bones lady can HEAVE a full pot of boiling water more that 10'. I am none of that and probably couldnt launch it more that 5' holding the handles with oven mitts on.  Sorry she looks rocked out, but she was 36 years old.  I'm 37 I'm not old |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 3:48:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I mean, I'm not her lawyer. The cop is charged with murder. Yeah, she's apparently schizophrenic. They were laughing and joking with her, until she said the rebuke thing. Then the shooter kicked it up to 11 with threatening to shoot her in the fucking face. I'm no expert on dealing with mentally ill people, but I would imagine that isn't helpful. I'm not saying her behavior didn't contribute to what happened. There are a million what ifs in hindsight where things could have gone differently. Hell, they were just about to leave, when one of the cops reignited the conversation about the car. I bet he regrets that... I'm not saying the cop doesn't have a defense here. Proving murder beyond any reasonable doubt is a different case than just proving a civil rights violation. Again, for whoever needs to hear this, I'm not an unbiased investigator or journalist. I'm totally biased. I sue the government for a living. I almost never side with the government. I think cops are trained to be too quick to shoot first and ask questions later. If it's not a good shoot for a citizen in the same situation, I don't believe the government should be able to do it either. It's the same reasonableness standard based on the immediacy of the threat and knowledge known at the time the trigger was pulled. Some differences, yes. Exactly. |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 3:52:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is what happens when FIFY - |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 3:53:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wish more people did ride-alongs. If police officers shot people every time it was legally justified, the streets would run with blood. The restraint out there by LEOs is incredible. Note: I did not watch the video in the IO, have not read any reports about it, and therefore have no opinion regarding that situation. Here's the link to the 36 minutes of raw footage showing exactly what happened, as posted on the sheriff's department YouTube channel: https://youtu.be/HFun2GydGyU?si=yxs5IcXmrw87vdln If you want to hear the officers' statement, his pre-lawyer statement is right there on his bodycam ("she came at me with boiling water"). |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 4:11:41 PM EST
[#5]
He was Guilty a long time ago. Another unhinged criminal who got himself a badge and plausible deniability with the public because he’s wearing good guy colors and masquerading as law enforcement.
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Posted: 7/23/2024 4:21:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: She gets another decade older every time the age cope is posted. Sorry she looks rocked out, but she was 36 years old. People accuse her of being a drug addict, but you all are ignoring other causes for her behavior… like she has some cognitive disorder. Or quite possibly she had a previous Traumatic Brain Injury that has disabled her line of thought and speech patterns. I’ve known people with TBIs and you might assume they are drunk or high, because they don’t appear on the surface scarred or disabled. So, unless you have a toxicology report, stop with the “crack head” comments. |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 4:30:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: People accuse her of being a drug addict, but you all are ignoring other causes for her behavior… like she has some cognitive disorder. Or quite possibly she had a previous Traumatic Brain Injury that has disabled her line of thought and speech patterns. I’ve known people with TBIs and you might assume they are drunk or high, because they don’t appear on the surface scarred or disabled. So, unless you have a toxicology report, stop with the “crack head” comments. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: She gets another decade older every time the age cope is posted. Sorry she looks rocked out, but she was 36 years old. People accuse her of being a drug addict, but you all are ignoring other causes for her behavior… like she has some cognitive disorder. Or quite possibly she had a previous Traumatic Brain Injury that has disabled her line of thought and speech patterns. I’ve known people with TBIs and you might assume they are drunk or high, because they don’t appear on the surface scarred or disabled. So, unless you have a toxicology report, stop with the “crack head” comments. Yeah every nail is a hammer to a knuckle dragging robot. Reminds me of this one, which I think I'm still fighting Ace of Base over copyright ownership b/c their shitty song is playing in the background. I think this guy was schizophrenic also, and they mock him and end up paralyzing him.  Cops Paralyze Handcuffed Man and Mock Him | He Later Dies! |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 4:52:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Here's the link to the 36 minutes of raw footage showing exactly what happened, as posted on the sheriff's department YouTube channel: https://youtu.be/HFun2GydGyU?si=yxs5IcXmrw87vdln If you want to hear the officers' statement, his pre-lawyer statement is right there on his bodycam ("she came at me with boiling water"). I watched both body cameras. He closed the distance, pulled a gun on her and she ducked, obviously scared. She got up and threw what appeared to be very little water, didn’t come even close to him, and shot her. She appears to be defending herself against someone who pulled a gun on her. What is clear, if he didn’t draw his weapon, she would have not threw the water, which was almost none. The other officer didn’t have his gun drawn until after the first one fired. My opinion means nothing. It looks like this entire situation could have been avoided. |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 5:06:25 PM EST
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I had a similar experience as the shooter…
I was at this place called “Texas Roadhouse” for dinner. I was already suspicious and at Threat Level Orange because, despite the name, this place wasn’t in Texas, so obviously a fake ID. Anyway, I ordered a delicious steak and the waitress brought it to my table. This is when it all went South… She set the steak down and threatened me by saying that the plate was scalding hot! I put my hand on my custom 1911 and prepared to deal with this threat elevation when the unthinkable happened. She reached into her apron pocket and pulled out a LARGE KNIFE WITH A NASTY SERRATED BLADE! It was at least 8 inches long. I immediately drew down on her, flipped the safety off, and screamed “DROP THE F-ING KNIFE!” She replied “Huh? What?” That’s when I saw her arm move slightly, so I mag dumped into her. A guy in the booth next to mine said “Hey! Why did you do that!” I told him that I wasn’t going to have my wife and kids hear that their loving father got stabbed to death that day. |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 5:20:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I had a similar experience as the shooter… I was at this place called “Texas Roadhouse” for dinner. I was already suspicious and at Threat Level Orange because, despite the name, this place wasn’t in Texas, so obviously a fake ID. Anyway, I ordered a delicious steak and the waitress brought it to my table. This is when it all went South… She set the steak down and threatened me by saying that the plate was scalding hot! I put my hand on my custom 1911 and prepared to deal with this threat elevation when the unthinkable happened. She reached into her apron pocket and pulled out a LARGE KNIFE WITH A NASTY SERRATED BLADE! It was at least 8 inches long. I immediately drew down on her, flipped the safety off, and screamed “DROP THE F-ING KNIFE!” She replied “Huh? What?” That’s when I saw her arm move slightly, so I mag dumped into her. A guy in the booth next to mine said “Hey! Why did you do that!” I told him that I wasn’t going to have my wife and kids hear that their loving father got stabbed to death that day. Imagine the fear if this was in a Homo Depot or Ace Hardware! Everybody is a threat and up to no good but them! |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 5:24:35 PM EST
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Make PR-24's Great Again! I think this website would implode if cops were still allowed to beat people. |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 5:43:57 PM EST
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GD makes my head hurt.
This was 100% a bad shoot. Cop was a dick who quickly escalated things. It almost looked like he was looking for any justification to shoot that lady. He is a psychopath. |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 5:50:10 PM EST
[#13]
Good
USA police needs a MAJOR reform Start sending these assholes to jail. Your days of being Stasi tyrants on your neighbors is over, fucking blue scumbags. |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 5:58:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think this website would implode if cops were still allowed to beat people. Cops are allowed to use force, including batons and other lower levels of force, today still. It just has to be articulably justifiable and not “he was coming right at me” Cops run people over with cars and it can be justified. |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 6:03:09 PM EST
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: GD makes my head hurt. This was 100% a bad shoot. Cop was a dick who quickly escalated things. It almost looked like he was looking for any justification to shoot that lady. He is a psychopath. PTSD paid retirement = justification. |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 6:04:05 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: PTSD paid retirement = justification. How are you going to be retired when you’re in prison? |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 6:14:45 PM EST
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well yeah, it's hard to charge a dead woman with a crime. If she tossed it at them, and for whatever reason was peacefully apprehended instead of shot, you think she wouldn't be looking at a felony assault charge? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The only one charged with a felony here is the guy that shot her. Did we watch the same video? I can't tell what she did. Sure as fuck didn't look like she was going to throw anything. |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 6:24:02 PM EST
[#18]
I'm not seeing water being thrown but I don't know. I'm going with bad shoot until further information.
Obviously I'm not going to be on the jury either way and I can't understand why the cop didn't just switch off the stove? |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 6:27:32 PM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Make shitty ragebait content defending the worst dregs of society harder than the ACLU. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How does one go about getting a kickback for all these videos? 
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Posted: 7/23/2024 6:40:36 PM EST
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Posted: 7/23/2024 6:52:48 PM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not seeing water being thrown but I don't know. I'm going with bad shoot until further information. |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 6:54:22 PM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm not seeing water being thrown but I don't know. I'm going with bad shoot until further information.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkuqsX-xctYLooks like she was trying to set it down. Edit- I see something but can't tell Tried watching it on the big screen and it looks like she did re grab the pot but it looked like it was sideways. I don't know? The cop will need a great lawyer if he wants any chance. |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 6:55:23 PM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Bad doop, gud chute. Threatening a LEO with a pot of boiling water was a poor choice Wow. |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 7:06:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How are you going to be retired when you’re in prison? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: PTSD paid retirement = justification. How are you going to be retired when you’re in prison? Daniel Shaver |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 7:09:13 PM EST
[#25]
When I first saw the thread I didn't believe murder 1 was really charged against a cop.
Now I think they may get it if he doesn't plead down. |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 7:11:40 PM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: People accuse her of being a drug addict, but you all are ignoring other causes for her behavior… like she has some cognitive disorder. Or quite possibly she had a previous Traumatic Brain Injury that has disabled her line of thought and speech patterns. I’ve known people with TBIs and you might assume they are drunk or high, because they don’t appear on the surface scarred or disabled. So, unless you have a toxicology report, stop with the “crack head” comments. exactly like you know, uh some war vets. |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 8:00:08 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Only on arfcom would we have a bunch of degenerates calling this a good shoot. Evil walks among us folks, even on this site. Watch carefully who’s posting what in this thread. Absolutely |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 8:00:13 PM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How are you going to be retired when you’re in prison? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: PTSD paid retirement = justification. How are you going to be retired when you’re in prison? I’ll be shocked if the defense can’t find a couple of “reasonable officers” to testify that this is acceptable police conduct. Heck, a couple of posters in this thread could have their inbox blowing up already. |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 8:23:33 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not sure if people are really this dumb or trolling. All she had to do was nothing. You're also assuming he was talking to her and not the other cop. It looks like the second cop moves to the kitchen and she runs past him. Then instead of turning the stove off, pouring the pot out or just putting it on a cold burner she grabs it and holds it. Then starts saying crazy shit about why they're moving away. Still doesn't leave it or set it down. She wasn't really cooking anything which makes shit more suspicious. Then sets it down when challenged at gunpoint. She again doesn't move away from it, doesn't put her hands up doesn't lay on the floor. She goes down and hides out of sight, then grabs the pot again and throws it when the cops move up to see her and see what the hell she's doing now. She didn't accidentally drop it, she didn't set it down, pour it out, leave it alone etc. she armed herself with it twice and threw it at the cops. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: My assertion is that you are being creative with the facts. This dude pressed the issue because he had to get an ID from the RP. He then gave her nonsensical commands when she was obviously a little slow to process things. Then he shot her because she didn't perfectly follow confusing instructions. He put her into a fight or flight response after she moved the water like they said she could. This is Shaver 2.0 and unfortunately it will probably go the same way because enough "reasonable officers" will shoot confused old ladies rather than walking away from their compulsion to get an ID. Creative with the fact she intentionally threw boiling hot water at a cop unprovoked. That is an opinion and not a fact since the old lady can't share what her intent was. I guess I'm surprised to learn that the difference between facts and opinions aren't covered in police training, but you learn something new every day. You were so close. Her intent is irrelevant. It's subjective. The objective fact is she threw boiling water at a cop. This is after he instructed her to pick up the deadly pot of water by the way "Yeah get that pot. We don't want a fire in here. I will shoot you in the fucking face DROP THE POT DROP THE POT!" bam bam bam I'm not sure if people are really this dumb or trolling. All she had to do was nothing. You're also assuming he was talking to her and not the other cop. It looks like the second cop moves to the kitchen and she runs past him. Then instead of turning the stove off, pouring the pot out or just putting it on a cold burner she grabs it and holds it. Then starts saying crazy shit about why they're moving away. Still doesn't leave it or set it down. She wasn't really cooking anything which makes shit more suspicious. Then sets it down when challenged at gunpoint. She again doesn't move away from it, doesn't put her hands up doesn't lay on the floor. She goes down and hides out of sight, then grabs the pot again and throws it when the cops move up to see her and see what the hell she's doing now. She didn't accidentally drop it, she didn't set it down, pour it out, leave it alone etc. she armed herself with it twice and threw it at the cops. I'm imagining you trying to keep a straight face while explaining how someone armed themselves with a pot of water after the cop told her to get take it off the stove 
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Posted: 7/23/2024 8:28:45 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Absolutely |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 8:33:59 PM EST
[#31]
But the splashed water reached his feet. See how close it came to him.
He was a dick to her from the beginning. You can tell that she is not all there. Wasn’t his partner by the pot and then walked away only to let her walk to it? How about dumping the water out while he was by it instead of leaving it on boil? Normally I support cops but this was a bad shoot. He is a psycho, multiple DUI’s and worked for six departments. |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 8:34:19 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Make shitty ragebait content defending the worst dregs of society harder than the ACLU. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How does one go about getting a kickback for all these videos? Speaking of cognitive dissonance, evidently in your world people who look a certain way deserve whatever is coming to them because they're "dregs". In this case, what would you say is the defining characteristic that allows you to declare this woman is a dreg? I'm sure we'll be eagerly awaiting a thoughtful and well-reasoned case for her killing. eta it's so bizarre I almost missed it on the first pass: you frame this video as a defense of the victim rather than an indictment of the killer. |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 8:41:31 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Speaking of cognitive dissonance, evidently in your world people who look a certain way deserve whatever is coming to them because they're "dregs". Quote HistoryQuoted: Speaking of cognitive dissonance, evidently in your world people who look a certain way deserve whatever is coming to them because they're "dregs". In this case, what would you say is the defining characteristic that allows you to declare this woman is a dreg? |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 8:47:40 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I never mentioned anything related to her appearance as relevant to her criminality. Trying to throw boiling water at people. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Speaking of cognitive dissonance, evidently in your world people who look a certain way deserve whatever is coming to them because they're "dregs". In this case, what would you say is the defining characteristic that allows you to declare this woman is a dreg? |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 8:51:07 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh ok. We're talking about the same case where the cop got judged in the wrong by his own dept, was fired, and subsequently charged with murder 1 because she didn't actually do that though, right? |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 9:02:35 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: She did do that though. We have very clear footage that shows it. It's not up to me what the department does. The department shouldn't have hired him in the first place, but I don't blame them for covering their ass now, but that doesn't make him guilty of Murder 1, and it doesn't make it not a justifiable homicide. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Oh ok. We're talking about the same case where the cop got judged in the wrong by his own dept, was fired, and subsequently charged with murder 1 because she didn't actually do that though, right? We most certainly do not. The pot did not fly, the water did not fly. In fact I'm guessing the pot landed on the victims own head after QuickDraw McGraw wasted her. If anything when I watch the video I believe she's dropping the pot in panic and confusion after the bizarre escalation by the killer. Pick up the pot, I'll shoot you in the fucking face, drop the pot bam bam bam. Mighty fine police work, I'm sure we can all agree on that at least. Mostly I blame the guy who put the video on YouTube anyway. He's the real problem. |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 9:03:47 PM EST
[#37]
Highly preventable, so I'm going with bad shoot.
"Ok so we looked around the exterior of your home and didn't see anything suspicious. Good bye." Done. |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 9:10:56 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We most certainly do not. The pot did not fly, the water did not fly. |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 9:42:20 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The only one charged with a felony here is the guy that shot her. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: After he pulled a gun on her, screamed he was going to shoot her in the fucking face and closed in on her. The only one charged with a felony here is the guy that shot her. |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 9:45:41 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Highly preventable, so I'm going with bad shoot. "Ok so we looked around the exterior of your home and didn't see anything suspicious. Good bye." Done. They got caught in the "gotta get an ID" trap. |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 9:48:58 PM EST
[#41]
The only known criminal is the cop who shot the lady in the face. He’s been twice convicted of DUI.
I’ve heard a lot of folks posting here on behalf of the cop say in the past that DUI is a serious crime and should come with prison time. He’s got two convictions. That makes him a criminal from the beginning. |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 9:51:19 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: She did do that though. We have very clear footage that shows it. It's not up to me what the department does. The department shouldn't have hired him in the first place, but I don't blame them for covering their ass now, but that doesn't make him guilty of Murder 1, and it doesn't make it not a justifiable homicide. There is no "very clear footage" of her throwing a pot of water. |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 9:51:45 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The only known criminal is the cop who shot the lady in the face. He's been twice convicted of DUI. I've heard a lot of folks posting here on behalf of the cop say in the past that DUI is a serious crime and should come with prison time. He's got two convictions. That makes him a criminal from the beginning. Quote HistoryQuoted: The only known criminal is the cop who shot the lady in the face. He's been twice convicted of DUI. I've heard a lot of folks posting here on behalf of the cop say in the past that DUI is a serious crime and should come with prison time. He's got two convictions. That makes him a criminal from the beginning. Quoted: There is no "very clear footage" of her throwing a pot of water. |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 9:56:53 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We most certainly do not. The pot did not fly, the water did not fly. In fact I'm guessing the pot landed on the victims own head after QuickDraw McGraw wasted her. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Oh ok. We're talking about the same case where the cop got judged in the wrong by his own dept, was fired, and subsequently charged with murder 1 because she didn't actually do that though, right? We most certainly do not. The pot did not fly, the water did not fly. In fact I'm guessing the pot landed on the victims own head after QuickDraw McGraw wasted her. This is just laughable at this point. We can have reasonable disagreements if the shooting was justified or not, but she grabbed the pot and she fucking threw it, it's on video. It can be seen here, not on her head, because she fucking threw it.  Quoted: Quoted: She did do that though. We have very clear footage that shows it. It's not up to me what the department does. The department shouldn't have hired him in the first place, but I don't blame them for covering their ass now, but that doesn't make him guilty of Murder 1, and it doesn't make it not a justifiable homicide. There is no "very clear footage" of her throwing a pot of water. Oh bullshit. |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 10:11:44 PM EST
[#45]
This has vibes of the Eleanor Bumpurs shooting in NYC in 1984
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Killing of Eleanor Bumpurs On October 29, 1984, Eleanor Bumpurs was shot and killed by the New York City Police Department (NYPD). The police were present to enforce a city-ordered eviction of Bumpurs, an elderly and disabled African American woman, from her New York Housing Authority (NYCHA) public housing unit at 1551 University Avenue (Sedgwick Houses) in the Morris Heights neighborhood of the Bronx.[1] In requesting NYPD assistance, NYCHA workers told police that Bumpurs was emotionally disturbed, had threatened to throw boiling lye and was using a knife to resist eviction. When Bumpurs refused to open the door, police broke into her unit. In the struggle to subdue her, one officer fatally shot Bumpurs twice with a 12-gauge shotgun.[2][3] Bumpurs' shooting, one of several deaths that inflamed racial tensions in New York during the 1980s, led to changes within the NYPD regarding responses to disabled and emotionally volatile persons. Officer Stephen Sullivan, who shot Bumpurs, was indicted on a charge of second-degree manslaughter, but was ultimately acquitted. Bumpurs' family sued the city for $10 million in damages, and settled for $200,000. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Eleanor_Bumpurs  Shooting of Eleanor Bumpurs |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 10:12:48 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is just laughable at this point. We can have reasonable disagreements if the shooting was justified or not, but she grabbed the pot and she fucking threw it, it's on video. It can be seen here, not on her head, because she fucking threw it. https://i.imgur.com/RHkVcDZ.png Oh bullshit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkuqsX-xctYQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Oh ok. We're talking about the same case where the cop got judged in the wrong by his own dept, was fired, and subsequently charged with murder 1 because she didn't actually do that though, right? We most certainly do not. The pot did not fly, the water did not fly. In fact I'm guessing the pot landed on the victims own head after QuickDraw McGraw wasted her. This is just laughable at this point. We can have reasonable disagreements if the shooting was justified or not, but she grabbed the pot and she fucking threw it, it's on video. It can be seen here, not on her head, because she fucking threw it. https://i.imgur.com/RHkVcDZ.png Quoted: Quoted: She did do that though. We have very clear footage that shows it. It's not up to me what the department does. The department shouldn't have hired him in the first place, but I don't blame them for covering their ass now, but that doesn't make him guilty of Murder 1, and it doesn't make it not a justifiable homicide. There is no "very clear footage" of her throwing a pot of water. Oh bullshit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkuqsX-xctYAll of which ignores the cop telling her to pick it up in the first place then getting mad because she said something about rebuking him, which resulted in him threatening to murder her and all the ensuing shitshow. What exactly did she do to precipitate murder threats and drawing guns? |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 10:19:57 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes it did, but I can only bullshit about this so much before it just becomes looping. We'll just have to see what the jury decides. If we're that split about it on here, it might be a challenge to get a unanimous verdict. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We most certainly do not. The pot did not fly, the water did not fly. At least the streets are safer tonight, with this heroic officer facing down the most terrible danger of a pot of water 15' away and despite all odds ridding us of one of the true dregs of society: himself. The guys yall pick to defend blow my mind, even while badmouthing the victims and never recognizing the irony. |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 10:21:46 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: lol yes I watched it. She didn't throw shit. There's one split second shot of the pot falling either on or immediately in front of her. All of which ignores the cop telling her to pick it up in the first place then getting mad because she said something about rebuking him, which resulted in him threatening to murder her and all the ensuing shitshow. What exactly did she do to precipitate murder threats and drawing guns? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Oh ok. We're talking about the same case where the cop got judged in the wrong by his own dept, was fired, and subsequently charged with murder 1 because she didn't actually do that though, right? We most certainly do not. The pot did not fly, the water did not fly. In fact I'm guessing the pot landed on the victims own head after QuickDraw McGraw wasted her. This is just laughable at this point. We can have reasonable disagreements if the shooting was justified or not, but she grabbed the pot and she fucking threw it, it's on video. It can be seen here, not on her head, because she fucking threw it. https://i.imgur.com/RHkVcDZ.png Quoted: Quoted: She did do that though. We have very clear footage that shows it. It's not up to me what the department does. The department shouldn't have hired him in the first place, but I don't blame them for covering their ass now, but that doesn't make him guilty of Murder 1, and it doesn't make it not a justifiable homicide. There is no "very clear footage" of her throwing a pot of water. Oh bullshit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkuqsX-xctYAll of which ignores the cop telling her to pick it up in the first place then getting mad because she said something about rebuking him, which resulted in him threatening to murder her and all the ensuing shitshow. What exactly did she do to precipitate murder threats and drawing guns? Then I guess we need to get some scientists over to that house because we've got a pot magically putting itself in her hands after she set it down and got on the floor, then it threw itself at the cops! I really have no interest in debating whether it was justified or not, but she picked up the damn pot and threw it, 100%. Care to explain how the pot ended up a few feet in front of her body on top of a chair if she "just dropped it"? Care to explain how she just "dropped" the pot after she set it on the counter and got on her knees? Nope, definitely no throwing going on here. 
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Posted: 7/23/2024 11:35:03 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is just laughable at this point. We can have reasonable disagreements if the shooting was justified or not, but she grabbed the pot and she fucking threw it, it's on video. It can be seen here, not on her head, because she fucking threw it. https://i.imgur.com/RHkVcDZ.png Oh bullshit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkuqsX-xctYThe video shows her holding a pot, likely in some sort of defensive posture, right before the cop puts a bullet through her forehead. |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 11:59:49 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sure, and while that should have been considered in the hiring process, that's not relevant to the shooting itself. It was very clear to me. Sure it does. It proves that he is not of sound mind and had no business putting himself into such a situation. Furthermore, in cases where the defendant is using a self defense argument, the justification is up to the defendant to prove to the court. He has to convince the jury that his justification was warranted and fell within the legal requirements for use of deadly force. The prosecutor just has to prove that a murder in the first degree took place… his lawyers have to prove it was justified. |
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