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Posted: 7/21/2016 12:16:11 AM EDT
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Wow I really feel bad for that guy. A professional, a black man, in a caregiving role, working with autistic people. He's out there trying to help a patient, he does EVERYTHING right, including keeping his hands up in the air, and not only does he still get shot anyway, he also gets handcuffed. This is the kind of thing that convinces blacks that the police are out to get them. This will not be helpful. I'm guessing the missing video is the graphic bits of the guy getting shot. If there is exculpatory evidence in the video, I hope the police officials release it before the rioting starts. It sure doesn't look good at this point. Well to be fair, it's not so much that he was black it was that the autistic kid was not picking up the can fast enough. 
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Posted: 7/21/2016 12:16:41 AM EDT
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Oh wth, Posted in the dupe thread........ Enjoy http://zazenlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/olympic-botty-shake-gif.gif Can't look away. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 12:19:53 AM EDT
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That cop needs to be fired if the news report is true. This x1000 |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 12:21:00 AM EDT
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no intent
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Posted: 7/21/2016 12:26:22 AM EDT
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One horrible mistake by a paranoid cop cancels out a thousand good shoots every time.
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Posted: 7/21/2016 12:28:19 AM EDT
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Wow I really feel bad for that guy. A professional, a black man, in a caregiving role, working with autistic people. He's out there trying to help a patient, he does EVERYTHING right, including keeping his hands up in the air, and not only does he still get shot anyway, he also gets handcuffed. This is the kind of thing that convinces blacks that the police are out to get them. This will not be helpful. It's not the shooting that is the problem. It's damn near every other officer closing ranks and making endless excuses and desperate nitpicky justifications that is the problem. THAT is what people see, that is what shapes their impression of all of this. There was a really illuminating thread here a year or so back when an aircraft crashed and the pilot and passengers were killed. There are plenty of pilots on the board here, and more than a few of them started dissecting the incident to figure out what happened. The conclusion was pretty unanimously pilot error with resulting total loss of aircraft. If memory serves, the pilot was retired LEO and... some predictable members here got very agitated that anyone would have the nerve to start speaking ill of the dead and criticizing them in such a manner, especially so soon. One of the pilots pointed out, rather bluntly, that things don't work that way with pilots. They analyze accidents and assign fault very objectively and dispassionately because it's how they have learned how to not get killed and take others with them when giant high-speed flying machines are involved. They'll absolutely criticize a dead pilot - or even a live one - who made a preventable error, they'll do it without hesitation, and they'll do it publicly. The suggestion was made that perhaps the knee-jerk reaction to avoid publicly admitting fault among colleagues was somewhat unique to law enforcement. The original complainants didn't come back to the thread. It was quite eye-opening. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 12:28:38 AM EDT
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The human factor is missing when officers have to deal with a 23yo playing with a truck in the middle of the street.
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Posted: 7/21/2016 12:32:51 AM EDT
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The video of the shooting itself is likely missing because it is graphic.
I don't see anything in that situation that would really warrant having guns drawn, much less firing. Other LEOs in other cities will probably pay in blood for that dipshit decision. 
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Posted: 7/21/2016 12:38:36 AM EDT
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Sheesh, be adults. we are in full fuckstate now. Yes, there will be more egregious cop shootings, and more bizarro cop-killer situations.. Just to be expected.Ride it out.
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Posted: 7/21/2016 12:41:17 AM EDT
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It's not the shooting that is the problem. It's damn near every other officer closing ranks and making endless excuses and desperate nitpicky justifications that is the problem. THAT is what people see, that is what shapes their impression of all of this. There was a really illuminating thread here a year or so back when an aircraft crashed and the pilot and passengers were killed. There are plenty of pilots on the board here, and more than a few of them started dissecting the incident to figure out what happened. The conclusion was pretty unanimously pilot error with resulting total loss of aircraft. If memory serves, the pilot was retired LEO and... some predictable members here got very agitated that anyone would have the nerve to start speaking ill of the dead and criticizing them in such a manner, especially so soon. One of the pilots pointed out, rather bluntly, that things don't work that way with pilots. They analyze accidents and assign fault very objectively and dispassionately because it's how they have learned how to not get killed and take others with them when giant high-speed flying machines are involved. They'll absolutely criticize a dead pilot - or even a live one - who made a preventable error, they'll do it without hesitation, and they'll do it publicly. The suggestion was made that perhaps the knee-jerk reaction to avoid publicly admitting fault among colleagues was somewhat unique to law enforcement. The original complainants didn't come back to the thread. It was quite eye-opening. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wow I really feel bad for that guy. A professional, a black man, in a caregiving role, working with autistic people. He's out there trying to help a patient, he does EVERYTHING right, including keeping his hands up in the air, and not only does he still get shot anyway, he also gets handcuffed. This is the kind of thing that convinces blacks that the police are out to get them. This will not be helpful. It's not the shooting that is the problem. It's damn near every other officer closing ranks and making endless excuses and desperate nitpicky justifications that is the problem. THAT is what people see, that is what shapes their impression of all of this. There was a really illuminating thread here a year or so back when an aircraft crashed and the pilot and passengers were killed. There are plenty of pilots on the board here, and more than a few of them started dissecting the incident to figure out what happened. The conclusion was pretty unanimously pilot error with resulting total loss of aircraft. If memory serves, the pilot was retired LEO and... some predictable members here got very agitated that anyone would have the nerve to start speaking ill of the dead and criticizing them in such a manner, especially so soon. One of the pilots pointed out, rather bluntly, that things don't work that way with pilots. They analyze accidents and assign fault very objectively and dispassionately because it's how they have learned how to not get killed and take others with them when giant high-speed flying machines are involved. They'll absolutely criticize a dead pilot - or even a live one - who made a preventable error, they'll do it without hesitation, and they'll do it publicly. The suggestion was made that perhaps the knee-jerk reaction to avoid publicly admitting fault among colleagues was somewhat unique to law enforcement. The original complainants didn't come back to the thread. It was quite eye-opening. was the information about the plane crash a video of it flying straight and level, and then cut to a smoking hole in the ground? |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 12:41:58 AM EDT
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Local cop here shot his squad car twice through the roof trying to get his rifle out. Shit happens Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Negligent Discharge. I'm calling it. Officer fired 3 times.... Something totally fucky about this story.. Local cop here shot his squad car twice through the roof trying to get his rifle out. Shit happens If the officer follows the 4 rules shit can't happen. This looks bad. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 12:43:00 AM EDT
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The video of the shooting itself is likely missing because it is graphic. I don't see anything in that situation that would really warrant having guns drawn, much less firing. Other LEOs in other cities will probably pay in blood for that dipshit decision. and you don't think the guy taking it with his cell phone wouldn't have posted it straight to youtube? |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 12:45:24 AM EDT
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I think the 911 caller was the caretaker after the retard took off and wanted to fix the glitch. Little did he know the trigger happy cop would shoot the colored than the dullard.
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Posted: 7/21/2016 12:50:41 AM EDT
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and you don't think the guy taking it with his cell phone wouldn't have posted it straight to youtube? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The video of the shooting itself is likely missing because it is graphic. I don't see anything in that situation that would really warrant having guns drawn, much less firing. Other LEOs in other cities will probably pay in blood for that dipshit decision. and you don't think the guy taking it with his cell phone wouldn't have posted it straight to youtube? I can think of all kinds of different thought processes that would lead to different ways of sharing the video. What I can't think of is why anyone would look at that situation and decide they need to have guns drawn and booger hook on the bang switch. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 12:51:55 AM EDT
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Even if the shooting was entirely accidental, it still seems absurd to even be pointing your rifles at a guy on his back, hands up, complying, and calmly explaining the situation.
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Posted: 7/21/2016 12:55:45 AM EDT
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I can think of all kinds of different thought processes that would lead to different ways of sharing the video. What I can't think of is why anyone would look at that situation and decide they need to have guns drawn and booger hook on the bang switch. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The video of the shooting itself is likely missing because it is graphic. I don't see anything in that situation that would really warrant having guns drawn, much less firing. Other LEOs in other cities will probably pay in blood for that dipshit decision. and you don't think the guy taking it with his cell phone wouldn't have posted it straight to youtube? I can think of all kinds of different thought processes that would lead to different ways of sharing the video. What I can't think of is why anyone would look at that situation and decide they need to have guns drawn and booger hook on the bang switch. with a report of a suicidal guy with a gun, yes there is reason to have your gun out. no, no one should have been shot in the video before or after the video was cut out. of course no one was shot in those parts of the video |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 12:56:31 AM EDT
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was the information about the plane crash a video of it flying straight and level, and then cut to a smoking hole in the ground? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wow I really feel bad for that guy. A professional, a black man, in a caregiving role, working with autistic people. He's out there trying to help a patient, he does EVERYTHING right, including keeping his hands up in the air, and not only does he still get shot anyway, he also gets handcuffed. This is the kind of thing that convinces blacks that the police are out to get them. This will not be helpful. It's not the shooting that is the problem. It's damn near every other officer closing ranks and making endless excuses and desperate nitpicky justifications that is the problem. THAT is what people see, that is what shapes their impression of all of this. There was a really illuminating thread here a year or so back when an aircraft crashed and the pilot and passengers were killed. There are plenty of pilots on the board here, and more than a few of them started dissecting the incident to figure out what happened. The conclusion was pretty unanimously pilot error with resulting total loss of aircraft. If memory serves, the pilot was retired LEO and... some predictable members here got very agitated that anyone would have the nerve to start speaking ill of the dead and criticizing them in such a manner, especially so soon. One of the pilots pointed out, rather bluntly, that things don't work that way with pilots. They analyze accidents and assign fault very objectively and dispassionately because it's how they have learned how to not get killed and take others with them when giant high-speed flying machines are involved. They'll absolutely criticize a dead pilot - or even a live one - who made a preventable error, they'll do it without hesitation, and they'll do it publicly. The suggestion was made that perhaps the knee-jerk reaction to avoid publicly admitting fault among colleagues was somewhat unique to law enforcement. The original complainants didn't come back to the thread. It was quite eye-opening. was the information about the plane crash a video of it flying straight and level, and then cut to a smoking hole in the ground? His point.....you missed it. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 12:57:37 AM EDT
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It's not the shooting that is the problem. It's damn near every other officer closing ranks and making endless excuses and desperate nitpicky justifications that is the problem. THAT is what people see, that is what shapes their impression of all of this. There was a really illuminating thread here a year or so back when an aircraft crashed and the pilot and passengers were killed. There are plenty of pilots on the board here, and more than a few of them started dissecting the incident to figure out what happened. The conclusion was pretty unanimously pilot error with resulting total loss of aircraft. If memory serves, the pilot was retired LEO and... some predictable members here got very agitated that anyone would have the nerve to start speaking ill of the dead and criticizing them in such a manner, especially so soon. One of the pilots pointed out, rather bluntly, that things don't work that way with pilots. They analyze accidents and assign fault very objectively and dispassionately because it's how they have learned how to not get killed and take others with them when giant high-speed flying machines are involved. They'll absolutely criticize a dead pilot - or even a live one - who made a preventable error, they'll do it without hesitation, and they'll do it publicly. The suggestion was made that perhaps the knee-jerk reaction to avoid publicly admitting fault among colleagues was somewhat unique to law enforcement. The original complainants didn't come back to the thread. It was quite eye-opening. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wow I really feel bad for that guy. A professional, a black man, in a caregiving role, working with autistic people. He's out there trying to help a patient, he does EVERYTHING right, including keeping his hands up in the air, and not only does he still get shot anyway, he also gets handcuffed. This is the kind of thing that convinces blacks that the police are out to get them. This will not be helpful. It's not the shooting that is the problem. It's damn near every other officer closing ranks and making endless excuses and desperate nitpicky justifications that is the problem. THAT is what people see, that is what shapes their impression of all of this. There was a really illuminating thread here a year or so back when an aircraft crashed and the pilot and passengers were killed. There are plenty of pilots on the board here, and more than a few of them started dissecting the incident to figure out what happened. The conclusion was pretty unanimously pilot error with resulting total loss of aircraft. If memory serves, the pilot was retired LEO and... some predictable members here got very agitated that anyone would have the nerve to start speaking ill of the dead and criticizing them in such a manner, especially so soon. One of the pilots pointed out, rather bluntly, that things don't work that way with pilots. They analyze accidents and assign fault very objectively and dispassionately because it's how they have learned how to not get killed and take others with them when giant high-speed flying machines are involved. They'll absolutely criticize a dead pilot - or even a live one - who made a preventable error, they'll do it without hesitation, and they'll do it publicly. The suggestion was made that perhaps the knee-jerk reaction to avoid publicly admitting fault among colleagues was somewhat unique to law enforcement. The original complainants didn't come back to the thread. It was quite eye-opening. Link to thread? |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 1:02:51 AM EDT
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His point.....you missed it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wow I really feel bad for that guy. A professional, a black man, in a caregiving role, working with autistic people. He's out there trying to help a patient, he does EVERYTHING right, including keeping his hands up in the air, and not only does he still get shot anyway, he also gets handcuffed. This is the kind of thing that convinces blacks that the police are out to get them. This will not be helpful. It's not the shooting that is the problem. It's damn near every other officer closing ranks and making endless excuses and desperate nitpicky justifications that is the problem. THAT is what people see, that is what shapes their impression of all of this. There was a really illuminating thread here a year or so back when an aircraft crashed and the pilot and passengers were killed. There are plenty of pilots on the board here, and more than a few of them started dissecting the incident to figure out what happened. The conclusion was pretty unanimously pilot error with resulting total loss of aircraft. If memory serves, the pilot was retired LEO and... some predictable members here got very agitated that anyone would have the nerve to start speaking ill of the dead and criticizing them in such a manner, especially so soon. One of the pilots pointed out, rather bluntly, that things don't work that way with pilots. They analyze accidents and assign fault very objectively and dispassionately because it's how they have learned how to not get killed and take others with them when giant high-speed flying machines are involved. They'll absolutely criticize a dead pilot - or even a live one - who made a preventable error, they'll do it without hesitation, and they'll do it publicly. The suggestion was made that perhaps the knee-jerk reaction to avoid publicly admitting fault among colleagues was somewhat unique to law enforcement. The original complainants didn't come back to the thread. It was quite eye-opening. was the information about the plane crash a video of it flying straight and level, and then cut to a smoking hole in the ground? His point.....you missed it. no, I caught his point. but I think his premise is wrong. cops do not automatically assume that other cops acted inappropriately without some evidence to show it. most cops I know, here and in RL, are more then happy to call misconduct misconduct. but in his example of a plane crash, I imagine that they had some actual information about the crash before they said the pilot F'd up. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 1:06:01 AM EDT
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Wow I really feel bad for that guy. A professional, a black man, in a caregiving role, working with autistic people. He's out there trying to help a patient, he does EVERYTHING right, including keeping his hands up in the air, and not only does he still get shot anyway, he also gets handcuffed. This is the kind of thing that convinces blacks that the police are out to get them. This will not be helpful. It's not the shooting that is the problem. It's damn near every other officer closing ranks and making endless excuses and desperate nitpicky justifications that is the problem. THAT is what people see, that is what shapes their impression of all of this. There was a really illuminating thread here a year or so back when an aircraft crashed and the pilot and passengers were killed. There are plenty of pilots on the board here, and more than a few of them started dissecting the incident to figure out what happened. The conclusion was pretty unanimously pilot error with resulting total loss of aircraft. If memory serves, the pilot was retired LEO and... some predictable members here got very agitated that anyone would have the nerve to start speaking ill of the dead and criticizing them in such a manner, especially so soon. One of the pilots pointed out, rather bluntly, that things don't work that way with pilots. They analyze accidents and assign fault very objectively and dispassionately because it's how they have learned how to not get killed and take others with them when giant high-speed flying machines are involved. They'll absolutely criticize a dead pilot - or even a live one - who made a preventable error, they'll do it without hesitation, and they'll do it publicly. The suggestion was made that perhaps the knee-jerk reaction to avoid publicly admitting fault among colleagues was somewhat unique to law enforcement. The original complainants didn't come back to the thread. It was quite eye-opening. was the information about the plane crash a video of it flying straight and level, and then cut to a smoking hole in the ground? You just demonstrated what he was saying. Instead of dispassionately considering who made what mistake, your first reaction is to deflect blame and establish some kind of deniability. Sure, the video could have been selectively edited, and probably was, but that doesn't autmatically mean that what the video shows was justified. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 1:07:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What does that mean? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We just can't seem to catch a break. Fuck. I'm getting tired.  What does that mean? These incidents paint with a broad brush |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 1:11:34 AM EDT
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I have heard it was an accidental discharge.
Either way it is going to be fodder for the left and the BLM. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 1:15:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think the 911 caller was the caretaker after the retard took off and wanted to fix the glitch. Little did he know the trigger happy cop would shoot the colored than the dullard. So your patient runs off, and you call 911 and say he's suicidal and has a gun?  |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 1:16:15 AM EDT
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I'd like to see the missing portion of the video  This, the lawyer claims the patient had a red fire truck, another article and the video shows a white or silver something in his hands. The second article I read said the officer fired a rifle 3 times. Lots of WTF going on. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 1:17:07 AM EDT
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was the information about the plane crash a video of it flying straight and level, and then cut to a smoking hole in the ground? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wow I really feel bad for that guy. A professional, a black man, in a caregiving role, working with autistic people. He's out there trying to help a patient, he does EVERYTHING right, including keeping his hands up in the air, and not only does he still get shot anyway, he also gets handcuffed. This is the kind of thing that convinces blacks that the police are out to get them. This will not be helpful. It's not the shooting that is the problem. It's damn near every other officer closing ranks and making endless excuses and desperate nitpicky justifications that is the problem. THAT is what people see, that is what shapes their impression of all of this. There was a really illuminating thread here a year or so back when an aircraft crashed and the pilot and passengers were killed. There are plenty of pilots on the board here, and more than a few of them started dissecting the incident to figure out what happened. The conclusion was pretty unanimously pilot error with resulting total loss of aircraft. If memory serves, the pilot was retired LEO and... some predictable members here got very agitated that anyone would have the nerve to start speaking ill of the dead and criticizing them in such a manner, especially so soon. One of the pilots pointed out, rather bluntly, that things don't work that way with pilots. They analyze accidents and assign fault very objectively and dispassionately because it's how they have learned how to not get killed and take others with them when giant high-speed flying machines are involved. They'll absolutely criticize a dead pilot - or even a live one - who made a preventable error, they'll do it without hesitation, and they'll do it publicly. The suggestion was made that perhaps the knee-jerk reaction to avoid publicly admitting fault among colleagues was somewhat unique to law enforcement. The original complainants didn't come back to the thread. It was quite eye-opening. was the information about the plane crash a video of it flying straight and level, and then cut to a smoking hole in the ground? Do you even realize that you are proving my exact point? |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 1:21:10 AM EDT
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Means every day I'm out here trying to be the good guy, trying to show people that the poor decisions or actions of a few dont reflect all of us, trying to bring us back into positive light... it's hard... and gets harder every day. These incidents paint with a broad brush Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We just can't seem to catch a break. Fuck. I'm getting tired.
What does that mean? These incidents paint with a broad brush No, it doesn't. In reality, it doesn't paint anything. There is a segment of video missing that could prove a different scenario. Most sane folks realize this and analyze with a handicap, leaving open the possibility of unseen justifiable actions. It's those that default to the blue line and reject any possibility of misconduct, regardless of video evidence, that draw the ire of everyday law abiding citizens. ---oh, and the scumbags, but they hate you regardless of the facts. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 1:21:18 AM EDT
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Was the rifle 3 round burst?
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Posted: 7/21/2016 1:27:26 AM EDT
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Negligent Discharge. I'm calling it. Officer fired 3 times.... Something totally fucky about this story.. It was on burst Three shots. I agee. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 1:29:11 AM EDT
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Do you even realize that you are proving my exact point? you cant answer the question because your assertion is flawed. did the pilots in this thread see nothing more then a hole in the ground and assign blame to the pilot? |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 1:33:32 AM EDT
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You just demonstrated what he was saying. Instead of dispassionately considering who made what mistake, your first reaction is to deflect blame and establish some kind of deniability. Sure, the video could have been selectively edited, and probably was, but that doesn't autmatically mean that what the video shows was justified. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wow I really feel bad for that guy. A professional, a black man, in a caregiving role, working with autistic people. He's out there trying to help a patient, he does EVERYTHING right, including keeping his hands up in the air, and not only does he still get shot anyway, he also gets handcuffed. This is the kind of thing that convinces blacks that the police are out to get them. This will not be helpful. It's not the shooting that is the problem. It's damn near every other officer closing ranks and making endless excuses and desperate nitpicky justifications that is the problem. THAT is what people see, that is what shapes their impression of all of this. There was a really illuminating thread here a year or so back when an aircraft crashed and the pilot and passengers were killed. There are plenty of pilots on the board here, and more than a few of them started dissecting the incident to figure out what happened. The conclusion was pretty unanimously pilot error with resulting total loss of aircraft. If memory serves, the pilot was retired LEO and... some predictable members here got very agitated that anyone would have the nerve to start speaking ill of the dead and criticizing them in such a manner, especially so soon. One of the pilots pointed out, rather bluntly, that things don't work that way with pilots. They analyze accidents and assign fault very objectively and dispassionately because it's how they have learned how to not get killed and take others with them when giant high-speed flying machines are involved. They'll absolutely criticize a dead pilot - or even a live one - who made a preventable error, they'll do it without hesitation, and they'll do it publicly. The suggestion was made that perhaps the knee-jerk reaction to avoid publicly admitting fault among colleagues was somewhat unique to law enforcement. The original complainants didn't come back to the thread. It was quite eye-opening. was the information about the plane crash a video of it flying straight and level, and then cut to a smoking hole in the ground? You just demonstrated what he was saying. Instead of dispassionately considering who made what mistake, your first reaction is to deflect blame and establish some kind of deniability. Sure, the video could have been selectively edited, and probably was, but that doesn't autmatically mean that what the video shows was justified. nor unjustified. the only ones involving emotions are the ones saying the officer screwed up. there is literally zero info besides cops were called for a suicidal man with a gun. and someone got shot. has anyone at all in this thread said the officer did NOT screw up? careful now, don't let your emotions get involved.
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Posted: 7/21/2016 1:34:31 AM EDT
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you cant answer the question because your assertion is flawed. did the pilots in this thread see nothing more then a hole in the ground and assign blame to the pilot? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Do you even realize that you are proving my exact point? you cant answer the question because your assertion is flawed. did the pilots in this thread see nothing more then a hole in the ground and assign blame to the pilot? O.B.J.E.C.T.I.V.I.T.Y. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 1:34:33 AM EDT
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you cant answer the question because your assertion is flawed. did the pilots in this thread see nothing more then a hole in the ground and assign blame to the pilot? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Do you even realize that you are proving my exact point? you cant answer the question because your assertion is flawed. did the pilots in this thread see nothing more then a hole in the ground and assign blame to the pilot? You know, he already explained exactly what went down in that thread, or did you TLDR his post? |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 1:36:41 AM EDT
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mista officer guy... you goin to jail if that is basically the best you can do..
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Posted: 7/21/2016 1:37:30 AM EDT
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You know, he already explained exactly what went down in that thread, or did you TLDR his post? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Do you even realize that you are proving my exact point? you cant answer the question because your assertion is flawed. did the pilots in this thread see nothing more then a hole in the ground and assign blame to the pilot? You know, he already explained exactly what went down in that thread, or did you TLDR his post? I read it. you missed my point. sigh...... |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 1:38:53 AM EDT
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They're gonna go crazy with the hands up don't shoot on this one. And this is exactly what the instigator in chief was hoping for. Cops are on edge and at some point a pillow biter is bound to way over react just like this and shoot an innocent guy giving the BLM group something to riot over. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 1:42:33 AM EDT
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Anybody find a link to the full video or a better article?
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Posted: 7/21/2016 1:43:52 AM EDT
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how about not pointing a gun at someone 50 yds away unless you see that they are actually doing something threatening?
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Posted: 7/21/2016 1:46:21 AM EDT
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I read it. you missed my point. sigh...... Dude it was a plane crash. Unless it happened at an air show, there probably was no video at all. You seem to think or assume he's comparing the reactions to video, when what he's doing (as I read it) is drawing attention to boilerplate responses to anything that is perceived as criticism of LE, no matter the situation. I don't even remember that other thread, and I get that. Are you short on sleep or something? |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 1:48:07 AM EDT
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It's not the shooting that is the problem. It's damn near every other officer closing ranks and making endless excuses and desperate nitpicky justifications that is the problem. THAT is what people see, that is what shapes their impression of all of this. There was a really illuminating thread here a year or so back when an aircraft crashed and the pilot and passengers were killed. There are plenty of pilots on the board here, and more than a few of them started dissecting the incident to figure out what happened. The conclusion was pretty unanimously pilot error with resulting total loss of aircraft. If memory serves, the pilot was retired LEO and... some predictable members here got very agitated that anyone would have the nerve to start speaking ill of the dead and criticizing them in such a manner, especially so soon. One of the pilots pointed out, rather bluntly, that things don't work that way with pilots. They analyze accidents and assign fault very objectively and dispassionately because it's how they have learned how to not get killed and take others with them when giant high-speed flying machines are involved. They'll absolutely criticize a dead pilot - or even a live one - who made a preventable error, they'll do it without hesitation, and they'll do it publicly. The suggestion was made that perhaps the knee-jerk reaction to avoid publicly admitting fault among colleagues was somewhat unique to law enforcement. The original complainants didn't come back to the thread. It was quite eye-opening. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wow I really feel bad for that guy. A professional, a black man, in a caregiving role, working with autistic people. He's out there trying to help a patient, he does EVERYTHING right, including keeping his hands up in the air, and not only does he still get shot anyway, he also gets handcuffed. This is the kind of thing that convinces blacks that the police are out to get them. This will not be helpful. It's not the shooting that is the problem. It's damn near every other officer closing ranks and making endless excuses and desperate nitpicky justifications that is the problem. THAT is what people see, that is what shapes their impression of all of this. There was a really illuminating thread here a year or so back when an aircraft crashed and the pilot and passengers were killed. There are plenty of pilots on the board here, and more than a few of them started dissecting the incident to figure out what happened. The conclusion was pretty unanimously pilot error with resulting total loss of aircraft. If memory serves, the pilot was retired LEO and... some predictable members here got very agitated that anyone would have the nerve to start speaking ill of the dead and criticizing them in such a manner, especially so soon. One of the pilots pointed out, rather bluntly, that things don't work that way with pilots. They analyze accidents and assign fault very objectively and dispassionately because it's how they have learned how to not get killed and take others with them when giant high-speed flying machines are involved. They'll absolutely criticize a dead pilot - or even a live one - who made a preventable error, they'll do it without hesitation, and they'll do it publicly. The suggestion was made that perhaps the knee-jerk reaction to avoid publicly admitting fault among colleagues was somewhat unique to law enforcement. The original complainants didn't come back to the thread. It was quite eye-opening. 
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Posted: 7/21/2016 1:48:31 AM EDT
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I'M short on sleep. Fuck, I hate you guys.
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Posted: 7/21/2016 1:48:57 AM EDT
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Means every day I'm out here trying to be the good guy, trying to show people that the poor decisions or actions of a few dont reflect all of us, trying to bring us back into positive light... it's hard... and gets harder every day. These incidents paint with a broad brush Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We just can't seem to catch a break. Fuck. I'm getting tired.
What does that mean? These incidents paint with a broad brush Are you a cop? Can't see the cop icon here so your first post is vague. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 1:56:45 AM EDT
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Wow I really feel bad for that guy. A professional, a black man, in a caregiving role, working with autistic people. He's out there trying to help a patient, he does EVERYTHING right, including keeping his hands up in the air, and not only does he still get shot anyway, he also gets handcuffed. This is the kind of thing that convinces blacks that the police are out to get them. This will not be helpful. It's not the shooting that is the problem. It's damn near every other officer closing ranks and making endless excuses and desperate nitpicky justifications that is the problem. THAT is what people see, that is what shapes their impression of all of this. There was a really illuminating thread here a year or so back when an aircraft crashed and the pilot and passengers were killed. There are plenty of pilots on the board here, and more than a few of them started dissecting the incident to figure out what happened. The conclusion was pretty unanimously pilot error with resulting total loss of aircraft. If memory serves, the pilot was retired LEO and... some predictable members here got very agitated that anyone would have the nerve to start speaking ill of the dead and criticizing them in such a manner, especially so soon. One of the pilots pointed out, rather bluntly, that things don't work that way with pilots. They analyze accidents and assign fault very objectively and dispassionately because it's how they have learned how to not get killed and take others with them when giant high-speed flying machines are involved. They'll absolutely criticize a dead pilot - or even a live one - who made a preventable error, they'll do it without hesitation, and they'll do it publicly. The suggestion was made that perhaps the knee-jerk reaction to avoid publicly admitting fault among colleagues was somewhat unique to law enforcement. The original complainants didn't come back to the thread. It was quite eye-opening. Really, I sure would like a link to that thread. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 2:01:24 AM EDT
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Really, I sure would like a link to that thread. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wow I really feel bad for that guy. A professional, a black man, in a caregiving role, working with autistic people. He's out there trying to help a patient, he does EVERYTHING right, including keeping his hands up in the air, and not only does he still get shot anyway, he also gets handcuffed. This is the kind of thing that convinces blacks that the police are out to get them. This will not be helpful. It's not the shooting that is the problem. It's damn near every other officer closing ranks and making endless excuses and desperate nitpicky justifications that is the problem. THAT is what people see, that is what shapes their impression of all of this. There was a really illuminating thread here a year or so back when an aircraft crashed and the pilot and passengers were killed. There are plenty of pilots on the board here, and more than a few of them started dissecting the incident to figure out what happened. The conclusion was pretty unanimously pilot error with resulting total loss of aircraft. If memory serves, the pilot was retired LEO and... some predictable members here got very agitated that anyone would have the nerve to start speaking ill of the dead and criticizing them in such a manner, especially so soon. One of the pilots pointed out, rather bluntly, that things don't work that way with pilots. They analyze accidents and assign fault very objectively and dispassionately because it's how they have learned how to not get killed and take others with them when giant high-speed flying machines are involved. They'll absolutely criticize a dead pilot - or even a live one - who made a preventable error, they'll do it without hesitation, and they'll do it publicly. The suggestion was made that perhaps the knee-jerk reaction to avoid publicly admitting fault among colleagues was somewhat unique to law enforcement. The original complainants didn't come back to the thread. It was quite eye-opening. Really, I sure would like a link to that thread. Me too, but I wouldn't hold your breath |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 2:05:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are you a cop? Can't see the cop icon here so your first post is vague. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: We just can't seem to catch a break. Fuck. I'm getting tired. What does that mean? These incidents paint with a broad brush Are you a cop? Can't see the cop icon here so your first post is vague. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 2:15:48 AM EDT
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at some point stupid cops need to start spending time in prison
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Posted: 7/21/2016 2:18:32 AM EDT
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Dude it was a plane crash. Unless it happened at an air show, there probably was no video at all. You seem to think or assume he's comparing the reactions to video, when what he's doing (as I read it) is drawing attention to boilerplate responses to anything that is perceived as criticism of LE, no matter the situation. I don't even remember that other thread, and I get that. Are you short on sleep or something? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I read it. you missed my point. sigh...... Dude it was a plane crash. Unless it happened at an air show, there probably was no video at all. You seem to think or assume he's comparing the reactions to video, when what he's doing (as I read it) is drawing attention to boilerplate responses to anything that is perceived as criticism of LE, no matter the situation. I don't even remember that other thread, and I get that. Are you short on sleep or something? I understand that. I am sure that there was a significant amount of info about the plan crash, black boxes, radar, a detailed analysis of the wreckage. information that would allow a person who wasn't there to make a judgment of the situation that the pilot was in and say if and where the fault lays. what we have here is the plane crash equivalent of a video of a hole in the ground. we know the plane crashed, and that about it. cops also like to wait until there is some ANY actual evidence before saying someone fucked up. here ITT we have several saying the cop fucked up....when all we have is a video of before the event, and after. the plane crash equivalent of a video of the plane flying straight and level and a smoking hole in the ground. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 2:20:18 AM EDT
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at some point stupid cops need to start spending time in prison they usually do |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 2:21:07 AM EDT
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If it's indeed a bad shoot then the cop needs to be punished.
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Posted: 7/21/2016 2:26:07 AM EDT
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Local cop here shot his squad car twice through the roof trying to get his rifle out. Shit happens Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Negligent Discharge. I'm calling it. Officer fired 3 times.... Something totally fucky about this story.. Local cop here shot his squad car twice through the roof trying to get his rifle out. Shit happens to the careless |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 2:32:30 AM EDT
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I read it. you missed my point. sigh...... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Do you even realize that you are proving my exact point? you cant answer the question because your assertion is flawed. did the pilots in this thread see nothing more then a hole in the ground and assign blame to the pilot? You know, he already explained exactly what went down in that thread, or did you TLDR his post? I read it. you missed my point. sigh...... 
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