You funny as fuck.
Dodgeball in NJ? Nope, too dangerous.

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"In the Garden State, the usual approach is to confiscate first and ask questions later..."

Now where have i heard that line before?

“No one from the state was going to take my firearms without due process,” says Leonard Cottrell, after successfully staving off law enforcement and the courts from confiscating his firearms. Cottrell, an Iraq War veteran, was at work when he received a phone call from his wife. The cops were there, busting in to take his guns away. It all started after a casual conversation his son had at school.

Ammoland reports:

Police said their visit was sparked by a conversation that Leonard Cottrell Jr.’s 13-year-old son had had with another student at the school. Cottrell said he was told his son and the other student were discussing security being lax and what they would have to do to escape a school shooting at Millstone Middle School.

The conversation was overheard by another student, who went home and told his parents, and his mother panicked. The mom then contacted the school, which contacted the State Police, according to Cottrell.

The visit from the troopers came around 10 p.m. on June 14, 2018, Cottrell said, a day after Gov. Phil Murphy signed several gun enforcement bills into law.

After several hours, Cottrell said police agreed not to take the guns but to allow him to move them to another location while the investigation continued.

“They had admitted several times that my son made no threat to himself or other students or the school or anything like that,” he said.

Cottrell said he made it very clear to the police that he was “not going to willingly give up my constitutional rights where there’s no justifiable cause, no warrants, no nothing.”

The troopers searched his son’s room and found nothing, Cottrell said.

“To appease everybody, I had my firearms stored someplace else,” he said. “That way, during the course of the investigation, my son doesn’t have access to them and it’s on neutral ground and everything and everybody’s happy.”

“In the Garden State, the usual approach is to confiscate first and ask questions later, and victims of this approach often don’t know their rights.  ?In this case, the victim pushed back and confiscation was avoided — but the circumstances surrounding the incident are outrageous. A student expressing concern over lack of security is not a reason to send police to the student’s home — but it might be a reason to send police to the school to keep students and teachers safe” said Scott L. Bach, executive director of the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs and a member of the NRA board of directors.

NJ.com adds:

Cottrell, a disabled U.S. Army veteran who served three tours during “Operation Iraqi Freedom,” owns a shotgun and a pistol. He has all the correct permits to own the firearms, he said, and predominately uses the shotgun to hunt.

He said his wife allowed the officers to enter the home, and with her permission, they searched his son’s room — but they did not find any weapons, he said. The officers, he said, didn’t have a warrant but still wanted to take his guns. Cottrell wouldn’t let them.

“No one from the state was going to take my firearms without due process,” he said Thursday.

fucking bullshit

Designed by Hugo Boss?

That's quite an overstatement

Amen

I feel like we've done this already

he needs to get more exercise

I'll just wait for Marion Hammer, Wayne Lapairre and Jeff Sessions to spring into action to defend the constitution.

Damn.

The Germans wore them better.  These guys look a little ... uneven.

Same reason the left is in a tizzy over 'ghost guns'.

4473s are gross

Don’t worry guys, our local cops will never go against the 2nd or attempt confiscation.

-signed
The Idiot

This shit pisses me off. I think this is what the Democrats want.... somebody's going to fire back when they resist. Then we're all going to be labeled cop killers and "OMG we need more laws!"

Complete horseshit

We called it 'slaughter ball'.  

Point in the story that seems pretty positive...

Sounds like a good woman/wife getting hubby into the loop quickly.

Hope the best for them dealing with this garbage.

Front row alone has 4 different gig lines...and they were having a department portrait done.

No 2 duty-belt buckles are identically aligned in that front row.

Well, none of us can actually read the author's mind, but the fact that the guy was a vet of a semi-current conflict might give perspective as to the guy's knowledge of weapons, responsibility with weapons, and service to the country with weapons.  None of the allegations or trumped up BS at the school had anything to do with PTSD or a vet off his rocker for some reason.  So, the author's reference was just information about the gun owner that might give a better perspective than if it was some 300-pound neckbeard living in momma's basement with mental issues.  I don't think a "sympathy card" was the motive.

They showed up at 10pm?

A bill of sale... of whom you sold it to?  Do you write a bill of sale for yourself whenever you sell anything else?

I've never seen someone do that for a piece of furniture.  Or a car.  Or a washer/dryer set.  Or a set of steak knives.  Or a television.   Or a computer.  Or a china doll.  Or a tractor.  Or machine tools.

Why would anyone do that?

Come in my house without a warrant, and you won't have to look for my guns.

You'll know exactly where the fuck they're at.

Very badly. The antis will cream their pants over it but others who actually lose their lives over it will be the ones who suffer.

The vet in question should have a long and very loud talk to his wife about “you don’t open the door for the cops.....you don’t talk to them, and you damn sure don’t let them in the house.

Normal people don't write themselves bills of sale of everything they've ever sold to someone else on the off chance that a divorce attorney might want it.

Your ex wife's attorney was being unreasonable to expect it.

Background check means they know you bought it at one time.

Registration means they know you own it now

Like I said previously, without UBC, the former does not equal the latter.

As long as you can sell a gun you own without a paper trail, a background check by itself will not be a defacto registration.

Other thread with a video supposedly quoting the victim.

https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/NJ-Attempts-Confiscation-Of-My-Friend-s-Guns-Red-Flag-Law-Gone-Wrong-/5-2125593/

Once I figured out that they took place in New Jersey I lost any further interest in this story. Same if it was NY, California, Oregon, and several other states. Why is anyone surprised, based on the location, that this happened. The only thing that surprises me is why they didn't seize the guns anyway? NJ and NY have never been known to be too concerned about abiding by the constitution before. Oh, this is one of those Gunga Din threads.

And this comment is why the 2A is fucked as a whole...

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/376097-trump-take-the-guns-first-go-through-due-process-second

Yeah, I was wondering about that.  Might be the author wasn't given or had access to that info.  Hard to tell.  There's probably some effort given to conceal the identity of the reporting kid at school to keep the info pipeline open.

I don't know.  Sometimes here on GD you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.  If the police didn't respond, and a mass shooting occurred, I'm sure we'd hear a scenario like the Parkland shooting and the fine response...or lack thereof...of the FBI and SO.  These Jersey cops did respond and apparently assessed that no one needed to be arrested, and they didn't seize the guns regardless of how that played out.

I didn't expect them to try to take his guns... If they really think there is a threat, do something about the kid they think made the threat. Don't try to take someones guns.

But...but...I was assured by liberals that these "protection order" confiscations would NEVER be abused!

That's...IMPOSSIBLE!

I didn't know cops in NJ took their work orders from random comments said by the president during a meeting they had absolutely nothing to do with.

This scenario is actually by design. It is called baiting. They have all those laws already written just for this kind of event.
The best I can say is not to take the bait.

What guns?

Thank God you're here to save us.

I'm sure you could probably assume based on the story combined with your work experience. A kid hears another kid, the kid tells his mom, who calls the school, who call the state police....... Its a big game of telephone. Not sure about your dispatchers, but ours tend to hype everything up like the world is ending.

We'll never know what was truly said between the two kids at school. More than likely whoever overheard them either blew what was said out of proportion or only heard what they wanted to hear.

We're talking about two kids who probably when they were talking were saying things that may be made sense to them but didn't make sense or alarmed the person that overheard them.

Whatever the truth is, the fact is-these red flag laws are going to end up getting people killed. It's only a matter of time. Either the person the law enforcement is trying to interact with does something stupid or the law enforcement themselves does something stupid or both.

Whatever sets it off, the outcome is going to be bad.

God Bless this guy

The outcome is probably better that they did talk to the police. I'm sure a search warrant could of been signed within hours and then the father's guns would of lawfully been seized.