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Posted: 11/8/2021 3:23:10 PM EST
[#1]
A hybrid is the answer you seek, sir. EV's are still too expensive, IMO.
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Posted: 11/8/2021 3:23:44 PM EST
[#2]
.87 cents per day
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Posted: 11/8/2021 3:26:21 PM EST
[#3]
Model 3 gets about 4 miles per Kwh. For 150 miles per day you are looking at about 38 Kwh of electricity a day. Times that by your per kwh electricity cost to see what it will cost you. For our electricity costs here that would be about 17 bucks in electricity a week for your commute.
I also have a 4runner that gets about 15mpg and in my experience the model 3 is way cheaper to run. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 3:26:56 PM EST
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Check into insurance cost. I'd REALLY like a Tesla, but it would cost twice the premium of my 2020 RAM 1500.
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Posted: 11/8/2021 3:27:12 PM EST
[#5]
Quoted: I drive about 150 miles per day for work. Currently I have an F150 that gets about 15mpg. My question is, if I purchase a Tesla to drive, how much will it cost me in electricity to drive about 150 miles per day? Also, there are no oil changes so that saves money, but are there any other hidden fee's I'm unaware of? I'm trying to decide if it's worth is financially to make the jump to electric. Nominal average I've seen is about $0.045/mi, so about $6.75 a day for 150mi. Could be much less if there are free chargers in your area. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 3:27:54 PM EST
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Just wait til they start taxing electric vehicles to make up for the gas/road taxes they’re losing.
Cost of use will be more for electric vehicles at that point, unless you plan on never holding one after the warranty period ends. Replacing those battery packs is pricey. Don’t forget the higher insurance too. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 3:29:08 PM EST
[#7]
Think about the cost to replace the batteries every 8 years . Also Tesla knows if a unlicensed tech is working on the car and Tesla will lock the car out.
Also here in va you pay a $400/yr highway tax that normally is paid through gas prices. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 3:32:15 PM EST
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They are already taxing fuel efficient vehicles in Virginia. The more efficient, the higher the tax because they miss the per gallon revenue on bro trucks and the like.
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Posted: 11/8/2021 3:35:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just wait til they start taxing electric vehicles to make up for the gas/road taxes they’re losing. Cost of use will be more for electric vehicles at that point, unless you plan on never holding one after the warranty period ends. Replacing those battery packs is pricey. Don’t forget the higher insurance too. What makes you think they're not going to milage tax gas vehicles as well? |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 3:36:49 PM EST
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Think about the cost to replace the batteries every 8 years . Also Tesla knows if a unlicensed tech is working on the car and Tesla will lock the car out. Also here in va you pay a $400/yr highway tax that normally is paid through gas prices. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 3:37:07 PM EST
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Model 3 gets about 4 miles per Kwh. For 150 miles per day you are looking at about 38 Kwh of electricity a day. Times that by your per kwh electricity cost to see what it will cost you. For our electricity costs here that would be about 17 bucks in electricity a week for your commute. I also have a 4runner that gets about 15mpg and in my experience the model 3 is way cheaper to run. Multiply. You don't "times" things. But yeah. Figure about 10% more for charging inefficiency - that's about what I had when I charged my Volt at home. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 3:37:24 PM EST
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How do we know what your electric costs are?
I'm sure Tesla has a maintenance schedule. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 3:38:53 PM EST
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Think about the cost to replace the batteries every 8 years . Also Tesla knows if a unlicensed tech is working on the car and Tesla will lock the car out. Also here in va you pay a $400/yr highway tax that normally is paid through gas prices. You'd have to replace the battery after 8 years in a modern EV about as often as you'd have to replace the transmission or engine in any other car after 8 years. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 3:43:32 PM EST
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Battery/Drivetrain warranties:
Model 3 Standard: 8yrs/100k miles Model 3 LR/Perf and Model Y.: 8 yrs/120k Model S/X: 8 Years/150k OP, with the amount of miles you are driving it would be best to consider trading it in for a new one every 2-3 years while still in warranty. Resell values for Tesla's have remained very strong and you would still come out ahead of your F150 unless you are the kind of person who likes to keep a car until it turns to dust. Many Tesla's out there over 200k miles on the original battery but much beyond that any survivors are generally on a new battery. Also note that the Model 3 Standard is now using LFP batteries made in China. They are supposed to last longer but are more susceptible to cold weather. For your daily mileage you should stick with a long range model. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 3:48:25 PM EST
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The only way it makes sense right now to run in ev is to trade it back in annually. Take the depreciation and add that into ownership cost and contrast it with your gassers current 6 year (or whatever) depreciation schedule. I don't know the answer but would be curious to see what you pencil out.
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Posted: 11/8/2021 3:49:50 PM EST
[#16]
EV THREAD!
Lol. I did some similar math in another thread recently comparing our cars... let me find it. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 3:50:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The only way it makes sense right now to run in ev is to trade it back in annually. Take the depreciation and add that into ownership cost and contrast it with your gassers current 6 year (or whatever) depreciation schedule. I don't know the answer but would be curious to see what you pencil out.  How do you figure that? |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 3:51:50 PM EST
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Here you go... just quoting myself from the thread the other day... so it's a bit out of context, but the math is still good:
Quoted: Crazy  I mean... my truck IS a Hummer on 35"s, lol. And our electricity is about .13/kwh (and we have the 93kwh battery). ... Even in the 911, it's like $60 to fill up... and you could get 400 miles out of it... probably... like in concept. ... Obviously these numbers would be different for everybody, but for me it looks like: Taycan: $12 (with this months elec rate) for ~290 miles (our average range per charge for the last year). Truck: $88 (last tank from low fuel light on) for ~330 miles (if I drive nice). 911: ~$55 for ~400 miles (splitting the difference on the 21/28 fuel economy for that one, lol). or Taycan: 4.13 cents per mile Hummer: 26.67 cents per mile 911: 13.75 cents per mile Long story short... 150 miles costs us about $6 in the Taycan. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 3:52:36 PM EST
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Do jot give a fuck. Not going to give up my 5.7 tundra.
  I make it a point to floor it past any Prius to make up for their faggotry.
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Posted: 11/8/2021 3:55:28 PM EST
[#20]
My Model 3 gets about 100MPGe. At $4 per gallon fuel cost:
Model 3 = 150/100=1.5 times $4/gal= $6 per day Your truck = 150/15= 10 times $4/gal = $40 per day Calculations are rough. A Chevy bolt costs about 1/2 what a Model 3 costs. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 3:56:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you own the car, paid in full, how can Tesla legally lock the car? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Think about the cost to replace the batteries every 8 years . Also Tesla knows if a unlicensed tech is working on the car and Tesla will lock the car out. Also here in va you pay a $400/yr highway tax that normally is paid through gas prices. Good question ?? |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 3:57:20 PM EST
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Even at a supercharger, it costs me less than $20 to charge my long range 3 from less than 5% to 80% (and about 25 minutes). But I so rarely charge outside of home
Of course, some idiot in a Tundra keeps trying to blow past me for some reason, and going from 0-60 in 4.2 seconds to keep away from him does drain my battery some. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 3:57:20 PM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A hybrid is the answer you seek, sir. EV's are still too expensive, IMO. A hybrid makes sense for a lot of applications. EV's make sense for very few applications. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 4:00:13 PM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Even at a supercharger, it costs me less than $20 to charge my long range 3 from less than 5% to 80% (and about 25 minutes). But I so rarely charge outside of home Of course, some idiot in a Tundra keeps trying to blow past me for some reason, and going from 0-60 in 4.2 seconds to keep away from him does drain my battery some.
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Posted: 11/8/2021 4:00:38 PM EST
[#25]
Arfcom GD: "I drive my kids to school in a lifted and stretched F-550 because this is America and I don't care how much it costs! Freedom!"
Also Arfcom GD: "Only idiots buy Teslas, because they cost too much!" |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 4:02:49 PM EST
[#26]
I’m not saying a EV is right for you. But if I was driving 150 miles a day I certainly wouldn’t be driving something that gets 15mpg.
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Posted: 11/8/2021 4:04:38 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m not saying a EV is right for you. But if I was driving 150 miles a day I certainly wouldn’t be driving something that gets 15mpg. Yeah, a consistent daily 150 mile round trip where you can plug in at home every night is a PERFECT application for an EV. You will save money and A LOT of time never going to gas stations. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 4:04:47 PM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Arfcom GD: "I drive my kids to school in a lifted and stretched F-550 because this is America and I don't care how much it costs! Freedom!" Also Arfcom GD: "Only idiots buy Teslas, because they cost too much!" Also, looking for ways to turn off things in their gassers (like auto start/stop at stoplights) that are specifically there to save you money... |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 4:06:02 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Arfcom GD: "I drive my kids to school in a lifted and stretched F-550 because this is America and I don't care how much it costs! Freedom!" Also Arfcom GD: "Only idiots buy Teslas, because they cost too much!" |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 4:06:08 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Model 3 gets about 4 miles per Kwh. For 150 miles per day you are looking at about 38 Kwh of electricity a day. Times that by your per kwh electricity cost to see what it will cost you. For our electricity costs here that would be about 17 bucks in electricity a week for your commute. I also have a 4runner that gets about 15mpg and in my experience the model 3 is way cheaper to run. How are the batteries holding up? How many years till maintenance/replacement is needed? |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 4:08:00 PM EST
[#31]
Electricity will basically be about 50kWh per day very conservatively speaking.
So take 50kWh times your current electric rate on your bill and there you go. Mine is $0.13/kWh so you'd be looking at $6.50 per day on my power give or take. Depends on which model of course and your local driving conditions. Model 3/Y will get better results than Model S/X. Summer driving will use less juice than winter driving. Lots of elevation changes use more power than predominantly flat land driving. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 4:09:13 PM EST
[#32]
A different cost that may or may not apply to you (depending on your driving habits) is the cost to own a now necessary second car if you enjoy your freedom to drive wherever, whenever you want.
For me, and EV would work for a commuter car, but the cost to my freedom of movement is too high if it was my only car. I don't want to start having to plan my vacations around charging stations, and also start factoring in the time wasted at charging stations. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 4:09:47 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You'd have to replace the battery after 8 years in a modern EV about as often as you'd have to replace the transmission or engine in any other car after 8 years. Strange , the last four vehicle I have owned all have gone just under 200,000 miles, one made it 214,000 and over 8 years old and never a transmission issues. Show me a phone , power tool , car or truck ( normal ) that the batteries last longer than around 6 years ~ |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 4:09:53 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Even at a supercharger, it costs me less than $20 to charge my long range 3 from less than 5% to 80% (and about 25 minutes). But I so rarely charge outside of home Of course, some idiot in a Tundra keeps trying to blow past me for some reason, and going from 0-60 in 4.2 seconds to keep away from him does drain my battery some. Yeah I got a Model 3 LR AWD two weeks ago and love the acceleration that it provides. I drive about 180 miles a day and so far it has cost me approximately $6 dollars a day for electricity. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 4:10:29 PM EST
[#35]
Holy hell. Why not buy a cheap 4cyl commuter? 150 miles a day at 15mpg? Jesus.
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Posted: 11/8/2021 4:13:14 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Strange , the last four vehicle I have owned all have gone just under 200,000 miles, one made it 214,000 and over 8 years old and never a transmission issues. Show me a phone , power tool , car or truck ( normal ) that the batteries last longer than around 6 years ~ Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You'd have to replace the battery after 8 years in a modern EV about as often as you'd have to replace the transmission or engine in any other car after 8 years. Strange , the last four vehicle I have owned all have gone just under 200,000 miles, one made it 214,000 and over 8 years old and never a transmission issues. Show me a phone , power tool , car or truck ( normal ) that the batteries last longer than around 6 years ~ You can "do your own research" and find that Tesla batteries routinely exceed 200,000 to 300,000 miles and even then it's often only an issue of degradation and not flat out failure. FWIW, The battery management systems on a Tesla aren't even remotely comparable to phones or power tools. It's apples and potatoes. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 4:13:17 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A hybrid makes sense for a lot of applications. EV's make sense for very few applications. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: A hybrid is the answer you seek, sir. EV's are still too expensive, IMO. A hybrid makes sense for a lot of applications. EV's make sense for very few applications. I think a plug in hybrid with some serious electric range would be great. Like 100 miles before you need to run the ICE. I haven’t been paying much attention lately but it also should be reasonably priced, not starting at $80K. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 4:15:08 PM EST
[#38]
How much is your electricity?
My Volt costs $1.60 to drive 40mi with my electric rate. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 4:19:11 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Check into insurance cost. I'd REALLY like a Tesla, but it would cost twice the premium of my 2020 RAM 1500. Mine dropped compared to my Jeep Wrangler. It's one of the cheapest insured cars I've ever owned. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 4:19:14 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Model 3 gets about 4 miles per Kwh. For 150 miles per day you are looking at about 38 Kwh of electricity a day. Times that by your per kwh electricity cost to see what it will cost you. For our electricity costs here that would be about 17 bucks in electricity a week for your commute. I also have a 4runner that gets about 15mpg and in my experience the model 3 is way cheaper to run. I just did the math. I'm currently spending about $240 per week in gasoline. The cost in electricity would be about $22 per week. Looks like it would save me about $218 per week in fuel. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 4:19:53 PM EST
[#41]
But how many sheets of plywood can the Tesla carry?
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Posted: 11/8/2021 4:20:24 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How are the batteries holding up? How many years till maintenance/replacement is needed? Two mechanical issues, front trunk latch stopped working and rear tail lamp filled with condensation. Both replaced under warranty without issue. I think the tail lamp thing was common with earlier cars but newer ones should be safe. Battery replacement doesn't have an interval, per say. In regular use the battery will gradually hold less charge and your usable range will decrease, but the car will still work. Warranty replacement kicks in at 70% degradation but that is basically unheard of unless the battery has a significant failure. Typically Tesla's that got new battery packs were due to an electronics failure in the packs rather than just degradation. This usually happens somewhere north of 200k miles. Mileage has a bigger impact on the battery pack than age. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 4:21:07 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Strange , the last four vehicle I have owned all have gone just under 200,000 miles, one made it 214,000 and over 8 years old and never a transmission issues. Show me a phone , power tool , car or truck ( normal ) that the batteries last longer than around 6 years ~ Yep. My vehicles are maintained pretty well, and I run them till at least 200k unless they get totaled. Going on 12 years and about 162k on my Tundra right now. At my current usage rate I might have to calculate two battery maintenance/replacements into my costs. I also have questions on the reliability of an EV in cold weather conditions. Say I'm out on a hike for a week in the winter in sub freezing temps, is the EV going to be able make it somewhere to charge it up, as opposed to a gas vehicle that might just need the battery jumped? ETA: Looks like Tesla batteries can go 200k, not sure on the weather conditions those batteries faced. I wonder about how other EV batteries hold up compared to Tesla? |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 4:22:39 PM EST
[#44]
Quoted: I drive about 150 miles per day for work. Currently I have an F150 that gets about 15mpg. My question is, if I purchase a Tesla to drive, how much will it cost me in electricity to drive about 150 miles per day? Also, there are no oil changes so that saves money, but are there any other hidden fee's I'm unaware of? I'm trying to decide if it's worth is financially to make the jump to electric. Teslas are around 3kWH/mile, so you're talking ~50kWH of electricity ($5-15) vs. 10 gallons of gas ($35-$40). That's probably $7200/year savings. You'd be running the battery down around 75%, so you'd get probably somewhere around 600-900 trips before needing a new battery, so let's call it 4 years. After 4 years of saving ($29k), you'd need a new battery at a cost of $16,000, so you'd still come out ahead. Now, hot/cold temps and hills will affect the numbers on the Tesla significantly, so factor that in. All in all, maybe run the numbers on something like a Prius, that takes gas, but still gets amazing mileage. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 4:24:35 PM EST
[#45]
your dignity
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Posted: 11/8/2021 4:25:16 PM EST
[#46]
In addition to electric costs also research insurance costs and If your state charges extra registration fees for EVs to make up for the fuel taxes your not paying.
My Toyota Prius costs $400 a year more to insure than my Nissan Titan 4x4. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 4:25:17 PM EST
[#47]
150 miles is perfect for a Tesla Model 3 SR+ 2wd. They make a great commuter car. Not so much a traveling car. My 2019 Model 3 SR+ has 26k on it averaging 270wh/mile. So 3-4 miles/kwh. I paid 41k + taxes for mine 2 1/2 years ago. Got over 10k in rebates from the stupid government. Kelly low book right now is 39k. Slam dunk.
I have a F150 Lightning reserved as well.  Edit: Battery degradation on mine has been about 5%. Started at 240 max now at 225. Its kind of leveled off at that. Insurance: Just got my renewal today in the mail....$299/6 months full coverage. My F150 is $304. Superduty $285. So nothing extraordinary. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 4:31:00 PM EST
[#48]
Base price for a model 3 is about 40k. The long range variant is over 50.
How much gas can you buy for 50 grand? Don’t forget to factor the cost of interest on financing, or to charge whether at home or on the road when you do your final Calc. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 4:32:27 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Base price for a model 3 is about 40k. The long range variant is over 50. How much gas can you buy for 50 grand? Don’t forget to factor the cost of interest on financing, or to charge whether at home or on the road when you do your final Calc. Rough numbers? Enough to drive that F150 175,000 miles. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 4:32:35 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Teslas are around 3kWH/mile, so you're talking ~50kWH of electricity ($5-15) vs. 10 gallons of gas ($35-$40). That's probably $7200/year savings. You'd be running the battery down around 75%, so you'd get probably somewhere around 600-900 trips before needing a new battery, so let's call it 4 years. After 4 years of saving ($29k), you'd need a new battery at a cost of $16,000, so you'd still come out ahead. Now, hot/cold temps and hills will affect the numbers on the Tesla significantly, so factor that in. All in all, maybe run the numbers on something like a Prius, that takes gas, but still gets amazing mileage. Can we get a source on that? |
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