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Posted: 11/8/2021 4:37:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Base price for a model 3 is about 40k. The long range variant is over 50. How much gas can you buy for 50 grand? Don’t forget to factor the cost of interest on financing, or to charge whether at home or on the road when you do your final Calc. To be fair I would subtract the price of the gas vehicle to use that as the amount of gas that comes "with" the vehicle compared to the EV. You might need add costs to support the charging of your EV which likely entails a new 40-50amp circuit for the charger, and in older homes around here installing an electric panel upgrade to have room for the charger's circuit. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 4:42:44 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: To be fair I would subtract the price of the gas vehicle to use that as the amount of gas that comes "with" the vehicle compared to the EV. You might need add costs to support the charging of your EV which likely entails a new 40-50amp circuit for the charger, and in older homes around here installing an electric panel upgrade to have room for the charger's circuit. Disagree with the first point. Op already owns the f150. It’s a sunk cost. The decision here isn’t should I buy a truck or a tesla, it’s I have a truck should I add a tesla to save money. Excellent second point. This can be a not insignificant cost, depending on labor in your area if you’re not capable of doing it diy. And idk what a charger costs from tesla. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 4:48:27 PM EST
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Tesla 3 F-150 Supercrew
cost to buy $44,000$37,500 insurance $1,300$1,200 electricity avg $ .042 cost per mile$840 $0 gasoline avg 15mpg at $3.00/gal $0 $4,000 Total cost to 20,000 miles $46,140$42,700 Still cheaper to pay for gasoline in F-150 |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 4:49:55 PM EST
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I currently own an F350 for towing trailers and carrying heavy loads.
The F150 is my daily. I'm considering selling the F150 and replacing with a Tesla. Looks like it would save me about $600 per month when looking at insurance, loan payments, and fuel. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 4:51:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I currently own an F350 for towing trailers and carrying heavy loads. The F150 is my daily. I'm considering selling the F150 and replacing with a Tesla. Looks like it would save me about $600 per month when looking at insurance, loan payments, and fuel. In that case, I would DEFINITELY go for it. It's been just over a year that we've had our EV, and it has been awesome. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 4:52:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you own the car, paid in full, how can Tesla legally lock the car? laughs in Elon |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 4:52:33 PM EST
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A close friend in the insurance business that works for Allstate told me Tesla's are about twice as expensive on insurance as a truck/SUV.
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Posted: 11/8/2021 4:53:35 PM EST
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I’ve always wondered how much more you spend on tires and other maintenance on brakes and such since the Tesla’s are so much heavier.
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Posted: 11/8/2021 5:04:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ve always wondered how much more you spend on tires and other maintenance on brakes and such since the Tesla’s are so much heavier. Brakes = effectively zero because of regenerative braking Tires = a bit less because of torque Model3 is noticeably lighter than an F150 |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 5:12:29 PM EST
[#10]
Not that simple, do you have access to a charging station at work and home?
In my opinion the biggest drawback to EVs is the time it takes to recharge the batteries, in 5 minutes you can pull into a gas station and fill your tank with a gasser. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 5:18:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A hybrid is the answer you seek, sir. EV's are still too expensive and inconvenient, IMO. I agree with this guy and added to it. I believe hybrids are where it's at. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 5:18:58 PM EST
[#12]
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Posted: 11/8/2021 5:24:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not that simple, do you have access to a charging station at work and home? In my opinion the biggest drawback to EVs is the time it takes to recharge the batteries, in 5 minutes you can pull into a gas station and fill your tank with a gasser. The main thing is to shift your mentality from driving until empty and then filling 100% like you would with an ICE. With EVs, you charge when convenient, need it or not... and you're likely better only charging to 80% if you're in a hurry. If you are able to charge at home, it's largely a non-issue for commuting. You just charge overnight. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 5:25:07 PM EST
[#14]
Invest in a company that makes tow trucks.. I got a feeling they will be in demand
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Posted: 11/8/2021 5:25:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Invest in a company that makes tow trucks.. I got a feeling they will be in demand For when this coming fuel crisis hits? 
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Posted: 11/8/2021 5:31:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I just did the math. I'm currently spending about $240 per week in gasoline. The cost in electricity would be about $22 per week. Looks like it would save me about $218 per week in fuel. Is the truck paid for? That's probably the most important question in the math. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 5:37:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My Model 3 gets about 100MPGe. At $4 per gallon fuel cost: Model 3 = 150/100=1.5 times $4/gal= $6 per day Your truck = 150/15= 10 times $4/gal = $40 per day Calculations are rough. A Chevy bolt costs about 1/2 what a Model 3 costs. I have a Bolt. I have put about 15,000 on in it this first year. My electric coop offers free nights 2200/0600 and all weekend. It has cost me $0.00 for this first year of driving.  |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 5:44:12 PM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If you own the car, paid in full, how can Tesla legally lock the car? This is something I've always wondered about with Teslas. Assume it will probably apply to Rivian vehicles and other makers as well. Probably something in the paperwork you have to sign to buy the vehicle, you can own the car, but the manufacturer still owns the software, they're just granting you a continued use license, etc. Would be interesting to see that one get challenged in court, going to happen sooner or later. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 5:45:55 PM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is the truck paid for? That's probably the most important question in the math. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 5:47:47 PM EST
[#20]
EV thread!
I see the fucktards have made their statements. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 5:49:05 PM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If you own the car, paid in full, how can Tesla legally lock the car? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Think about the cost to replace the batteries every 8 years . Also Tesla knows if a unlicensed tech is working on the car and Tesla will lock the car out. Also here in va you pay a $400/yr highway tax that normally is paid through gas prices. There is no "Right to Repair" - your purchase is of a license to use. Same with John Deere farm equipment. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 5:50:03 PM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is something I've always wondered about with Teslas. Assume it will probably apply to Rivian vehicles and other makers as well. Probably something in the paperwork you have to sign to buy the vehicle, you can own the car, but the manufacturer still owns the software, they're just granting you a continued use license, etc. Would be interesting to see that one get challenged in court, going to happen sooner or later. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If you own the car, paid in full, how can Tesla legally lock the car? This is something I've always wondered about with Teslas. Assume it will probably apply to Rivian vehicles and other makers as well. Probably something in the paperwork you have to sign to buy the vehicle, you can own the car, but the manufacturer still owns the software, they're just granting you a continued use license, etc. Would be interesting to see that one get challenged in court, going to happen sooner or later. What makes you think a company like Ford or Chevy wont do the same to your truck? |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 5:51:32 PM EST
[#23]
The guy is worried about cost. What's with all the posts talking about buying Teslas? Buy a Prius or a cheapo 4 banger Fusion, Camry, Focus etc.
150 miles a day in an F150 is wild. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 5:54:34 PM EST
[#24]
How much is the charger installed at your home for the Tesla.
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Posted: 11/8/2021 5:56:09 PM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What makes you think a company like Ford or Chevy wont do the same to your truck? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: If you own the car, paid in full, how can Tesla legally lock the car? This is something I've always wondered about with Teslas. Assume it will probably apply to Rivian vehicles and other makers as well. Probably something in the paperwork you have to sign to buy the vehicle, you can own the car, but the manufacturer still owns the software, they're just granting you a continued use license, etc. Would be interesting to see that one get challenged in court, going to happen sooner or later. What makes you think a company like Ford or Chevy wont do the same to your truck? Exactly. The days when a guy could just check "spark, fuel, and air" to troubleshoot a non-running engine are wayyyyyy behind us. Hell, try buying non-OEM replacement parts for your John Deere tractor and see how that goes 
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Posted: 11/8/2021 5:57:17 PM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How much is the charger installed at your home for the Tesla. Not a Tesla obviously, but for our car, it was just a few hundred bucks to run a 240V from the breaker box and hang the frame. The car came with the charger that we can take off and take off the wall and take with us if we want to. This is just a stock image... but it gives you an idea. All that was needed was the little bracket and a run of cable. 
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Posted: 11/8/2021 5:57:18 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I just did the math. I'm currently spending about $240 per week in gasoline. The cost in electricity would be about $22 per week. Looks like it would save me about $218 per week in fuel. What is your current car payment? What would the new payment for a Tesla be? Trading cars to chase better MPG/Fuel Cost Savings is usually a fool's errand because in general you trade off no payment, or lower payment vehicle for a higher payment vehicle. If you have no car payment now, and you grab a Model 3 DM, with very little down, and you have $750/month or an additional $187.50/week. So then the savings would be down to $30.50.... Then we haven't factored in higher insurance, charger install at home, etc. It starts getting really tight, unless you already had a $750 car payment per month. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 6:05:10 PM EST
[#28]
My solar array produces more power than we use. At the end of April the power company just takes my excess without compensation and zeros out my account. So, for me it would cost nothing to power the EV. However the initial cost, limited mileage, time to recharge, and questionable maintenance cost prevent me from looking into such vehicles.
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Posted: 11/8/2021 6:06:23 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Do jot give a fuck. Not going to give up my 5.7 tundra.  I make it a point to floor it past any Prius to make up for their faggotry.For some reason I get the picture of a guy having a bad ass brodozer and living in a modest home or in a trailer park. Also has a tiny penis. The dude driving his poor little efficient Prius can invest that extra money, probably has a really nice house in a good neighborhood, hung like a mule, and enjoys a good BBQ while using crisp 100s to light his stogies while sippin’ on pappy’s every night. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 6:10:04 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What is your current car payment? What would the new payment for a Tesla be? Trading cars to chase better MPG/Fuel Cost Savings is usually a fool's errand because in general you trade off no payment, or lower payment vehicle for a higher payment vehicle. If you have no car payment now, and you grab a Model 3 DM, with very little down, and you have $750/month or an additional $187.50/week. So then the savings would be down to $30.50.... Then we haven't factored in higher insurance, charger install at home, etc. It starts getting really tight, unless you already had a $750 car payment per month. Teslas average 300-500k miles before see an appreciable degradation of battery. Even then, the car will still continue to function, just with lower millage. The 300k-500k mark is for 80% original capacity. They're also mechanically simpler and in need to less repair. Its an AC motor attached to a transmission and a battery pack. No spark plugs, cylinders, cats, belts, far fewer fluid lines. Teslas are the first but will be far from the only electric cars on the market. Almost every manufacturer will have at least a couple models on the market in 1-3 years, around the same time several domestic battery plants to set to be online, driving prices down further. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 6:12:41 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I just did the math. I'm currently spending about $240 per week in gasoline. The cost in electricity would be about $22 per week. Looks like it would save me about $218 per week in fuel. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Model 3 gets about 4 miles per Kwh. For 150 miles per day you are looking at about 38 Kwh of electricity a day. Times that by your per kwh electricity cost to see what it will cost you. For our electricity costs here that would be about 17 bucks in electricity a week for your commute. I also have a 4runner that gets about 15mpg and in my experience the model 3 is way cheaper to run. I just did the math. I'm currently spending about $240 per week in gasoline. The cost in electricity would be about $22 per week. Looks like it would save me about $218 per week in fuel. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 6:23:33 PM EST
[#32]
Just buy a Corolla or Camry for the commute
...or a civic |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 6:29:58 PM EST
[#33]
Logic Monster stepping in here.
Guys.... this is just a math equation. TCO is all that matters, if you are trying to analyze costs. You must add together all the operating and ownership costs to accurately calcuate "Total Cost of Ownership". Your costs are: *Depreciation *Finance charges (unless you paid cash for said car) *fuel costs *insurance costs *Cost of expected repairs & maintenance. Without crunching the math, I would expect the Tesla to have very high depreciation, insurance, and repair costs! It would of course excel in fuel costs. You can't ignore TCO though.... You're also probably better off by buying a 3-7 year old old used Civic, Corolla, or Prius, and paying cash for it. It may not have as low of fuel costs as the Tesla, but it will have less depreciation and less cost of repairs and insurance. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 6:31:14 PM EST
[#34]
Dang 3000 miles a month. Yes the numbers say get a tesla.
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Posted: 11/8/2021 6:32:41 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just wait til they start taxing electric vehicles to make up for the gas/road taxes they’re losing. Cost of use will be more for electric vehicles at that point, unless you plan on never holding one after the warranty period ends. Replacing those battery packs is pricey. Don’t forget the higher insurance too. In my state it costs $200 a year for electric vehicle registration and $100 for hybrids. It’s under $40 a year for Non- electric / hybrids. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 6:33:43 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Dang 3000 miles a month. Yes the numbers say get a tesla. Doubtful. Look at the depreciation of a Tesla that gets driven 36k a year. That won't be pretty. What will that car be worth after 2 years of that use? |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 6:35:59 PM EST
[#37]
Some states are already trying to figure out how to make E Car drivers pay by the mile. Your gonna have an app for that.
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Posted: 11/8/2021 6:42:26 PM EST
[#38]
Compare the time it takes to charge your EV over the course of a month, to the time it takes to fill up your car with gas.
Then take that charging time and add that to sitting in traffic. What happens when you have to run the heat while sitting in a traffic jam when the ambient is below freezing? Will surely tank your range. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 6:42:33 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Tesla 3 F-150 Supercrew cost to buy $44,000$37,500 insurance $1,300$1,200 electricity avg $ .042 cost per mile$840 $0 gasoline avg 15mpg at $3.00/gal $0 $4,000 Total cost to 20,000 miles $46,140$42,700 Still cheaper to pay for gasoline in F-150 20k miles @ 150 miles a day is 133 days. For OP's use case, the break even point on an EV comes pretty quick. Any use case that doesn't involve sitting on ass at the supercharger for 40 minutes at a time will start to make a good case for the EV. That's one of their biggest downsides. Currently there is a pretty long wait for some of the teslas. You can order now and not get them till june. And the prices have been going up, up, up. My buddy got his earlier this year and has put like 20k miles on it and the trade in on it is $15k more than he paid. His insurance is cheaper on the tesla than any of his other cars, too. Its almost motorcycle cheap. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 6:44:34 PM EST
[#40]
Depreciation? Do Teslas even really depreciate much? You literally can't even get a non-wrecked Model S of ANY year for under 25k and the old ones are almost a decade old now.
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Posted: 11/8/2021 6:49:51 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Compare the time it takes to charge your EV over the course of a month, to the time it takes to fill up your car with gas. Then take that charging time and add that to sitting in traffic. What happens when you have to run the heat while sitting in a traffic jam when the ambient is below freezing? Will surely tank your range. I charge my car while I’m at work. I could also charge it while I’m sleeping. Some planning goes a long way here. I don’t go to gas stations anymore. I put about 40 miles a day on my Volt, average. It kicks ass for what I wanted it to do. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 6:55:17 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Battery/Drivetrain warranties: Model 3 Standard: 8yrs/100k miles Model 3 LR/Perf and Model Y.: 8 yrs/120k Model S/X: 8 Years/150k OP, with the amount of miles you are driving it would be best to consider trading it in for a new one every 2-3 years while still in warranty. Resell values for Tesla's have remained very strong and you would still come out ahead of your F150 unless you are the kind of person who likes to keep a car until it turns to dust. Many Tesla's out there over 200k miles on the original battery but much beyond that any survivors are generally on a new battery. Also note that the Model 3 Standard is now using LFP batteries made in China. They are supposed to last longer but are more susceptible to cold weather. For your daily mileage you should stick with a long range model. Chinese batteries. That is an absolute deal breaker |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 6:59:58 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I just did the math. I'm currently spending about $240 per week in gasoline. The cost in electricity would be about $22 per week. Looks like it would save me about $218 per week in fuel. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Model 3 gets about 4 miles per Kwh. For 150 miles per day you are looking at about 38 Kwh of electricity a day. Times that by your per kwh electricity cost to see what it will cost you. For our electricity costs here that would be about 17 bucks in electricity a week for your commute. I also have a 4runner that gets about 15mpg and in my experience the model 3 is way cheaper to run. I just did the math. I'm currently spending about $240 per week in gasoline. The cost in electricity would be about $22 per week. Looks like it would save me about $218 per week in fuel. Op, if you don't want to spend Tesla money a super reliable Toyota Prius at 50+mpg would save you more than the cost of the vehicle in short order. Commuting @15mpg has gotta hurt! My daughter drives a Prius Prime plug in on her 25mile commute, damm nice smooth car with heated leather seats & all the bells/Whistles of a modern car + averages over 80mpg using a combo of plug in & gas. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 7:05:01 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Check into insurance cost. I'd REALLY like a Tesla, but it would cost twice the premium of my 2020 RAM 1500. So double your insurance premium would eat up the savings you might get running an electric car. A good cost analysis between the two vehicles including up front purchase price depreciation maintenance - oil changes, parts replacement, appearance upkeep operating costs - insurance, taxes, gas value at end of period might surprise you |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 7:05:01 PM EST
[#45]
Can't believe I'm the first...
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Posted: 11/8/2021 7:08:51 PM EST
[#46]
id just get a beater camry or something.
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Posted: 11/8/2021 7:09:48 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So double your insurance premium would eat up the savings you might get running an electric car. A good cost analysis between the two vehicles including up front purchase price depreciation maintenance - oil changes, parts replacement, appearance upkeep operating costs - insurance, taxes, gas value at end of period might surprise you Not with where FU Brandon is sending gas prices! Probably go $5-$7 a gallon after the midterms. Fuck everyone who voted for the scumbag & all those who stood home to not vote MAGA! |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 7:23:32 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: But how many sheets of plywood can the Tesla carry?  Anyone who owns a Tesla is not going to be troubled by hauling plywood for DIY home repairs and stuff. That's what the butler is for--tell him to get the wood. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 7:28:08 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I charge my car while I’m at work. I could also charge it while I’m sleeping. Some planning goes a long way here. I don’t go to gas stations anymore. I put about 40 miles a day on my Volt, average. It kicks ass for what I wanted it to do. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Compare the time it takes to charge your EV over the course of a month, to the time it takes to fill up your car with gas. Then take that charging time and add that to sitting in traffic. What happens when you have to run the heat while sitting in a traffic jam when the ambient is below freezing? Will surely tank your range. I charge my car while I’m at work. I could also charge it while I’m sleeping. Some planning goes a long way here. I don’t go to gas stations anymore. I put about 40 miles a day on my Volt, average. It kicks ass for what I wanted it to do. I have "waited" while charging exactly once in the last year. Every other time has been charging at home or while eating/shopping on trips when the car was ready before I needed it. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 7:28:41 PM EST
[#50]
$6 vs $16.
Probably get a used Bolt or Leaf super cheap... |
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