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Posted: 10/10/2017 4:04:11 PM EDT
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Huh. And yeah I'm sure you could overcome it. You'd probably hate something like a ditch and recover exercise though. Be 20 feet under water and have someone pull your mask off and regulator out of your mouth. Swim to the surface, get your breath then swim back down for your gear. Finding the reg while the salt water is burning your eyes and you're low on air was not fun. I don't mind the water at all but it's a little hairy.  Sitting on bottom kicking with one fin breathing straight from the bottle because the first stage got stripped off rabbit punching your buddy trying to get the goggles off him so you can find the rest of your shit is a fucking HOOT. 
eta- my class in commercial diver school was.... not like other classes. Most of us were prior service mostly gwot infantry dudes, but a lot from other branches and eras. It was basically a non-stop rumble every day underwater, we would get yelled at cause kids from other classes would stray into our areas and get fucked with hard and cry about it. 
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Posted: 10/10/2017 4:07:22 PM EDT
[#2]
Nope. I could never balance that ball on my nose
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Posted: 10/10/2017 4:07:37 PM EDT
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I don't know about him, but I am. Your country has been at war for over a decade. I miss my family all the time, but I believe that all able bodied men have an obligation to serve. Sometimes that means manning up and accepting that you have to be away for a while for the good of your family's future. People don't have to make a career of it, but if someone isn't willing to at least serve a single enlistment, whether active or reserve, then yeah- I am offended, at best. Disappointed is maybe even a better descriptor. I don't understand how those people live with themselves, honestly. |
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Posted: 10/10/2017 4:32:08 PM EDT
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No, because I have never had the desire in my heart to do so. Mindset is key in doing anything well, and I don't have it for this goal.
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Posted: 10/10/2017 4:35:42 PM EDT
[#5]
When I was 24, possibly, but you mentioned current health so no.
Arthritis in knees and elbow and developed epilepsy in my 30's (that's when seizures started happening). Plus I'm 48, so no BUDs for me. |
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Posted: 10/10/2017 4:45:57 PM EDT
[#6]
Fractured L5 and >40 years old says nope.
Without the bad back.....possibly. |
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Posted: 10/10/2017 4:57:38 PM EDT
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OP I'm a 39 YO with cancer and no cartridge in either knee what do you think 
Have you ever met a SEAL those fucks are hard core crazy I had 7 in my airborne school chalk with me. 3 got recycled for climbing the 350 foot towers and doing pull ups on them Our class started with about 420 troops, including 11 SEALS, 3 Marines, and 1 Air Force. In the end we graduated somewhere around 320 Army, 8 SEALs, 1 Marine, and the Airman. The only branch with 100% graduation rate that cycle was Air Force
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Posted: 10/10/2017 5:10:06 PM EDT
[#8]
Nope
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Posted: 10/10/2017 5:11:42 PM EDT
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I am 60 years old, and have never been a good swimmer, hate leg lifts. I am gonna say, wait for it, nope. |
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Posted: 10/10/2017 5:20:44 PM EDT
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In 18 months, I'll be 50 and I've got 3 herniated discs in my neck and a bad knee. Not going to happen.
Now, when I was 22, liked to do mile swims in the ocean for fun, had just finished 1500 miles of hiking on the AT, was down to about 7% body fat and was used to doing long hikes with about 65lbs on my back, probably. Might have been able to do it without 18 months to prepare. Even 5 years ago when I was doing Olympic distance triathlons and Tough Mudders, maybe with 18 months to train, but 18 months of training at that level would've probably been too much for me even before BUDs. |
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Posted: 10/10/2017 5:34:21 PM EDT
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I don't know about him, but I am. Your country has been at war for over a decade. I miss my family all the time, but I believe that all able bodied men have an obligation to serve. Sometimes that means manning up and accepting that you have to be away for a while for the good of your family's future. People don't have to make a career of it, but if someone isn't willing to at least serve a single enlistment, whether active or reserve, then yeah- I am offended, at best. Disappointed is maybe even a better descriptor. I don't understand how those people live with themselves, honestly. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lol you seem personally offended that anyone could be physically and mentally tough, and not be in the military. Your country has been at war for over a decade. I miss my family all the time, but I believe that all able bodied men have an obligation to serve. Sometimes that means manning up and accepting that you have to be away for a while for the good of your family's future. People don't have to make a career of it, but if someone isn't willing to at least serve a single enlistment, whether active or reserve, then yeah- I am offended, at best. Disappointed is maybe even a better descriptor. I don't understand how those people live with themselves, honestly. |
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Posted: 10/10/2017 5:42:27 PM EDT
[#12]
Nope.
18 months and 18 years ago, maybe. |
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Posted: 10/10/2017 6:03:24 PM EDT
[#13]
drowning is not a sensation I'm a fan of. I almost drowned as a kid and don't want to experience it again
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Posted: 10/10/2017 6:36:31 PM EDT
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I think a bunch of people who say they can really underestimate the difficulty of swimming.
I read stuff like "I swim a mile a day" and "I'm sure I could be ready in 18 months", "I'm mentally tough" etc... But it's not quite like that. I qualified as a Rescue Swimmer when I was 21. The school taxed me to my physical limits. Call me a pussy, I don't care. The water environment is a hostile environment and everyone trains to treat it that way except for the SEALs (maybe the other branches special ops groups have the same philosophy...I don't know). We trained to mitigate the water risks, the SEALs train to make it a friendly environment for them. That means in the water. Functioning, not just surviving. Functioning long term (hours) not just in the water to pull someone out. Despite water temps - cold water will sap your physical strength and sap your mental strength. Until you're in it you don't really know how much it does. I know it's cool on arfcom to bash the SEALs. Maybe it's deserved I don't know or care. But in the water they earn their reputation as top tier. |
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Posted: 10/10/2017 6:39:17 PM EDT
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Would dying of a heart attack the first day count as passing?
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Posted: 10/10/2017 6:42:46 PM EDT
[#16]
Over 20% give it a yes so far. That's pretty damn impressive for any segment of the population.
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Posted: 10/10/2017 6:44:49 PM EDT
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Had childhood asthma. I could be in as good shape as Michael Murphy in his prime, but I'd be failed by the DOD before I even made it to BUDS. Already kept me out of Anapolis.
So that's a big "No" |
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Posted: 10/10/2017 6:48:33 PM EDT
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Over 20% give it a yes so far. That's pretty damn impressive for any segment of the population. lol. |
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Posted: 10/10/2017 6:55:25 PM EDT
[#19]
now, hell no. 22 years ago I would have had a pretty good chance....
I use to love to run and work out, and was just plain bull headed with it came to doing what I put my mind to. These days I'm a soft lazy engineer. I figure I choose a better path with a stable job, beautiful kids and and kick ass wife.
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Posted: 10/10/2017 6:55:54 PM EDT
[#20]
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to answer the original question, Could you pass BUD/S if given 18mos to prepare? ... Nope. After an extensive training course, I might be in 18 months better shape than I am today, but no way would I pass BUD/S at my age. |
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Posted: 10/10/2017 6:58:22 PM EDT
[#21]
My cousin is a literal stud, has been preparing for 3 years, and failed out of BUD/S twice. I have no illusions that I could ever pass.
And I am too old. |
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Posted: 10/10/2017 6:58:25 PM EDT
[#22]
Physically yes, while I am a good swimmer. Its kinda of like sprinting for me, I can only do so much. However, incroprate the mental with the physical would be...I don't want to say not feasible but eh..i'm 27.
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Posted: 10/10/2017 7:03:51 PM EDT
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You mean like an average BUD/S class then? lol. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Over 20% give it a yes so far. That's pretty damn impressive for any segment of the population. lol. |
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Posted: 10/10/2017 7:06:09 PM EDT
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Haha 227 yes votes, probably 7 seals and 220 asthmatics with confidence.
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Posted: 10/10/2017 7:10:51 PM EDT
[#25]
Nope. Dislocated my shoulder on their obstacle course in Coronado, multiple times in one running. Pretty sure it would have come back out somewhere on it future times through.
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Posted: 10/10/2017 7:12:57 PM EDT
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Swimming, for me At least, was the easier part. I may have had a bit of an advantage as I was born and raised in San Diego and we were at Coronado pretty much every weekend. Water temps were "Normal" for me.
Now running? I could never get into a rhythm. I was that asshole that when we did a group 5 mile run, the group would have to run 7-8 miles due to circling back to pick me up.... All the while having an Instructor, calmly telling you to quit, you are holding up the group, are the weakest link and will never be a part of a team, let alone allowed on a Team.... Mental fortitude is #1 there... Again, I am not, nor have ever been a SEAL. But I was dumb enough to try once.... Much respect to all who try to be a part of the spear.... |
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Posted: 10/10/2017 7:14:01 PM EDT
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Nope. Dislocated my shoulder on their obstacle course in Coronado, multiple times in one running. Pretty sure it would have come back out somewhere on it future times through. |
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Posted: 10/10/2017 7:14:23 PM EDT
[#28]
Some days it takes a while before I can walk without my cane for balance.
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Posted: 10/10/2017 7:16:48 PM EDT
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Yes, it then stands to reason that a poll sample of 1200 +/- ARFCOM GD is pretty much on par with the average BUD/S class. That is pretty damn impressive. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Over 20% give it a yes so far. That's pretty damn impressive for any segment of the population. lol. I know you're being cheeky tho. |
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Posted: 10/10/2017 7:21:04 PM EDT
[#30]
I'm 42 years old. Doesn't matter how much preparation I had. No way I'm passing it.
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Posted: 10/10/2017 7:26:25 PM EDT
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Huh. And yeah I'm sure you could overcome it. You'd probably hate something like a ditch and recover exercise though. Be 20 feet under water and have someone pull your mask off and regulator out of your mouth. Swim to the surface, get your breath then swim back down for your gear. Finding the reg while the salt water is burning your eyes and you're low on air was not fun. I don't mind the water at all but it's a little hairy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You're right, it's claustrophobia amplified by being in the water. Being blindfolded upside down while trying to disassemble/reassemble equipment underwater would generate a great deal of panic. Honestly it may be something that could be trained out of me, but it would be a big hang up. You'd probably hate something like a ditch and recover exercise though. Be 20 feet under water and have someone pull your mask off and regulator out of your mouth. Swim to the surface, get your breath then swim back down for your gear. Finding the reg while the salt water is burning your eyes and you're low on air was not fun. I don't mind the water at all but it's a little hairy. Coming to the surface gets you an instant no go, pack your shit, see you next class in a military dive course Not that you would know anything about that |
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Posted: 10/10/2017 7:28:15 PM EDT
[#32]
40 years ago: Yes,
 now, nope 
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Posted: 10/10/2017 7:32:45 PM EDT
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You mean like an average BUD/S class then? lol. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Over 20% give it a yes so far. That's pretty damn impressive for any segment of the population. lol.
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Posted: 10/10/2017 7:36:31 PM EDT
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Lol Coming to the surface gets you an instant no go, pack your shit, see you next class in a military dive course Not that you would know anything about that Staying on bottom was the prerequisite to the full ditch-ascend-recover exercise. Staying on the bottom is easier, not harder. 
I swear the whole “I served so I’m more X than you” is so fucking laughable. |
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Posted: 10/10/2017 7:36:45 PM EDT
[#35]
When I was 24, yes. Now I'm 55 so no.
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Posted: 10/10/2017 7:38:16 PM EDT
[#36]
Nope, I can't swim for shit.
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Posted: 10/10/2017 7:40:18 PM EDT
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Coming to the surface was a requirement. Staying on bottom was the prerequisite to the full ditch-ascend-recover exercise. Staying on the bottom is easier, not harder.
I swear the whole “I served so I’m more X than you” is so fucking laughable. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lol Coming to the surface gets you an instant no go, pack your shit, see you next class in a military dive course Not that you would know anything about that Staying on bottom was the prerequisite to the full ditch-ascend-recover exercise. Staying on the bottom is easier, not harder.
I swear the whole “I served so I’m more X than you” is so fucking laughable.
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Posted: 10/10/2017 7:41:57 PM EDT
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Meanwhile you regret not joining the USMC and you're arguing dive training with a no shit 0321.
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Posted: 10/10/2017 7:43:30 PM EDT
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most people have no idea what they can do and what they cant do or even what they'd be good at or not good at I can't tell you how many times bright minded people have told me that they started engineering school but "they couldn't handle the math" the truth is that they couldn't handle sitting there working the problems until it clicked, which might take 2 or 3 hours per assignment I can't do it = I don't feel like doing it suppose they locked you in a jail cell with four calculus books and said you can leave when you get an A+ in all four courses most people with an IQ over about 110 could leave jail eventually. might take some of them 5 years but it would happen so who knows? maybe it all comes down to desire if desire > pain, maybe you could do it Some folks just can’t intuitively grasp higher math to the right level, no matter how much they want to or how much time/effort they put in. Some folks, no matter how much they try, or how much they want it, or how much they train, will ever run a 6:00 mile, or have a 40” vertical, or hold their breath for 2:00, or be able to tote a ruck for 20 miles. Desire and will count for a lot, but not everyone has the same physical or mental capabilities. That’s just fact. “And the weak died along the way...” or so says the EOD/diver shirt a buddy of mine wears.... |
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Posted: 10/10/2017 7:44:07 PM EDT
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A BUD/S class only recruits from the Navy, no wonder only 20% make it. Arfcom, with all its fatties and headcases, is still a better recruiting pool for "commandos" than the blue side Navy is. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Over 20% give it a yes so far. That's pretty damn impressive for any segment of the population. lol. AF CCT have that same problem, and a very, very small pass rate. Yet their rep seems waaaay better. I wonder if using media as a recruitment tool has kinda fucked the SEALs in regards to who decides to join them. |
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Posted: 10/10/2017 7:47:41 PM EDT
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Coming to the surface was a requirement. Staying on bottom was the prerequisite to the full ditch-ascend-recover exercise. Staying on the bottom is easier, not harder.
I swear the whole “I served so I’m more X than you” is so fucking laughable. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lol Coming to the surface gets you an instant no go, pack your shit, see you next class in a military dive course Not that you would know anything about that Staying on bottom was the prerequisite to the full ditch-ascend-recover exercise. Staying on the bottom is easier, not harder.
I swear the whole “I served so I’m more X than you” is so fucking laughable. You washed out of MEPS, hahahahha Don't talk to me about laughable |
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Posted: 10/10/2017 7:49:34 PM EDT
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Served? I was going through Marine Combatant Diver while you were busy ripping people off with your knife business. You washed out of MEPS, hahahahha Don't talk to me about laughable Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lol Coming to the surface gets you an instant no go, pack your shit, see you next class in a military dive course Not that you would know anything about that Staying on bottom was the prerequisite to the full ditch-ascend-recover exercise. Staying on the bottom is easier, not harder.
I swear the whole “I served so I’m more X than you” is so fucking laughable. You washed out of MEPS, hahahahha Don't talk to me about laughable 
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Posted: 10/10/2017 7:50:24 PM EDT
[#43]
Nope, I don't want it bad enough. And that's ok with me. Thank God for the guys that do.
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Posted: 10/10/2017 7:55:25 PM EDT
[#44]
I can't believe that 75% of you don't think that you could write an autobiography in 18 months.
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Posted: 10/10/2017 8:04:37 PM EDT
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This poll result reflects about the same percentage who think that they could hit a MLB 100 mph fastball.  
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Posted: 10/10/2017 8:04:47 PM EDT
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This thread reminded me of something. AF CCT have that same problem, and a very, very small pass rate. Yet their rep seems waaaay better. I wonder if using media as a requirement tool has kinda fucked the SEALs in regards to who decides to join them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Over 20% give it a yes so far. That's pretty damn impressive for any segment of the population. lol. AF CCT have that same problem, and a very, very small pass rate. Yet their rep seems waaaay better. I wonder if using media as a requirement tool has kinda fucked the SEALs in regards to who decides to join them. |
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Posted: 10/10/2017 8:05:37 PM EDT
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Served? I was going through Marine Combatant Diver while you were busy ripping people off with your knife business. You washed out of MEPS, hahahahha Don't talk to me about laughable 
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Posted: 10/10/2017 8:06:44 PM EDT
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Cute, but false. Some folks just can’t intuitively grasp higher math to the right level, no matter how much they want to or how much time/effort they put in. Some folks, no matter how much they try, or how much they want it, or how much they train, will ever run a 6:00 mile, or have a 40” vertical, or hold their breath for 2:00, or be able to tote a ruck for 20 miles. Desire and will count for a lot, but not everyone has the same physical or mental capabilities. That’s just fact. “And the weak died along the way...” or so says the EOD/diver shirt a buddy of mine wears.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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most people have no idea what they can do and what they cant do or even what they'd be good at or not good at I can't tell you how many times bright minded people have told me that they started engineering school but "they couldn't handle the math" the truth is that they couldn't handle sitting there working the problems until it clicked, which might take 2 or 3 hours per assignment I can't do it = I don't feel like doing it suppose they locked you in a jail cell with four calculus books and said you can leave when you get an A+ in all four courses most people with an IQ over about 110 could leave jail eventually. might take some of them 5 years but it would happen so who knows? maybe it all comes down to desire if desire > pain, maybe you could do it Some folks just can’t intuitively grasp higher math to the right level, no matter how much they want to or how much time/effort they put in. Some folks, no matter how much they try, or how much they want it, or how much they train, will ever run a 6:00 mile, or have a 40” vertical, or hold their breath for 2:00, or be able to tote a ruck for 20 miles. Desire and will count for a lot, but not everyone has the same physical or mental capabilities. That’s just fact. “And the weak died along the way...” or so says the EOD/diver shirt a buddy of mine wears.... |
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Posted: 10/10/2017 8:08:46 PM EDT
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I think almost anyone 18-30 could get physically ready in 18 mos.
I have no desire to be a SEAL, so I would fail. |
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Posted: 10/10/2017 8:09:51 PM EDT
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That, and sticking to their lane/what they are good at. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Over 20% give it a yes so far. That's pretty damn impressive for any segment of the population. lol. AF CCT have that same problem, and a very, very small pass rate. Yet their rep seems waaaay better. I wonder if using media as a requirement tool has kinda fucked the SEALs in regards to who decides to join them. |
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