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Posted: 4/5/2019 1:20:33 PM EDT
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SCOTUS denied our application.
Thomas and Gorsuch would have granted. We are continuing to explore all available options to protect individuals and their property.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 1:25:06 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/5/2019 1:28:00 PM EDT
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SCOTUS butt-fucked gun owners again? What a fucking shock.
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Posted: 4/5/2019 1:30:24 PM EDT
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SCOTUS denied our application. Thomas and Gorsuch would have granted. We are continuing to explore all available options to protect individuals and their property. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/113377/Screen_Shot_2019-04-05_at_1_19_55_PM_png-901905.JPG 
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Posted: 4/5/2019 1:35:21 PM EDT
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Disappointing, but unsurprising. I hope you still petition cert from SCOTUS. They likely won't take the case, but it's one more option to try anyway.
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Posted: 4/5/2019 1:39:17 PM EDT
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So that means Kavanaugh denied as well?
Wow much 2A, such conservative! |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 1:41:08 PM EDT
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So that means Kavanaugh denied as well? Wow much 2A, such conservative! |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 1:50:50 PM EDT
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This is small potatoes.
Just get ready for the ass-raping once Dems get the throne. |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 1:56:28 PM EDT
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So that means Kavanaugh denied as well? Wow much 2A, such conservative!
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Posted: 4/5/2019 1:57:18 PM EDT
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This is small potatoes. Just get ready for the ass-raping once Dems get the throne. |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 1:58:33 PM EDT
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Fear of public opinion is weighing heavier than rule of law.
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Posted: 4/5/2019 1:58:42 PM EDT
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This is small potatoes. Just get ready for the ass-raping once Dems get the throne. The groundwork has been laid to ban all semi-autos via executive action. The DC majority ruling and reasoning encompasses all semi-autos, single action pistols, and shotguns capable of slamfire. It ain’t over yet. |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 2:19:21 PM EDT
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He never really was that conservative to begin with... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So that means Kavanaugh denied as well? Wow much 2A, such conservative! But, that's about semiautos, he sticks to precedent when it is available, Heller said machine guns were not protected and he was only a court of appeals judge ruling on semiautos so he didn't give anything beyond a brief passing mention distinguishing MGs from semiautos in a mechanical sense: "That is in contrast to an automatic gun – also known as a machine gun – which “fires repeatedly with a single pull of the trigger. That is, once its trigger is depressed, the weapon will automatically continue to fire until its trigger is released or the ammunition is exhausted." Alito not signing on is a bit more surprising, he dissented in 1996 as part of US v Rybar that the 1986 MG ban was unconstitutional because of interstate commerce. But today, Alito gives huge deference to regulatory agencies and police/prosecutors, letting them get the job done with conduct that other justices consider to be violations of their rights, and the bump stock ban is regulatory agency changing their definition... Kharn |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 2:23:43 PM EDT
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So that means Kavanaugh denied as well? Wow much 2A, such conservative! |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 2:39:25 PM EDT
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No, it means he didn't feel like putting his name on the order as being in favor of granting the request. He and Alito may have both voted to grant the order but if Roberts didn't agree it isn't granted. Or maybe it was Kavanaugh and Roberts voting yes, but Alito said no. We'll never know. All we know is that Gorsuch and Thomas were willing to put their names on the order as being willing to grant it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So that means Kavanaugh denied as well? Wow much 2A, such conservative! |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 2:57:50 PM EDT
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Was the denial a majority opinion or just Robert’s decision? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So that means Kavanaugh denied as well? Wow much 2A, such conservative! ETA: It's not an opinion, it's just a denial of the request for the stay. |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 3:07:29 PM EDT
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Roberts referred it to the whole Court, so I assume that at least five justices voted to deny it. ETA: It's not an opinion, it's just a denial of the request for the stay. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So that means Kavanaugh denied as well? Wow much 2A, such conservative! ETA: It's not an opinion, it's just a denial of the request for the stay. 
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Posted: 4/5/2019 3:21:57 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/5/2019 3:28:08 PM EDT
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https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/docs/undefined/bump-fire-stocks-and-devices-destruction-diagrams/download MAGA Freedoms Safest Place 
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Posted: 4/5/2019 3:35:15 PM EDT
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This is small potatoes. Just get ready for the ass-raping once Dems get the throne. So now that that branch is no longer a check, the wrong combination of Democrat Congress and president will be free to crush the bill of rights and the Constitution in general. It won't just be guns, it will be the entire liberal agenda. |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 3:42:52 PM EDT
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Fear of public opinion is weighing heavier than rule of law. |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 3:44:59 PM EDT
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There's already a Dem on the throne The groundwork has been laid to ban all semi-autos via executive action. The DC majority ruling and reasoning encompasses all semi-autos, single action pistols, and shotguns capable of slamfire. It ain't over yet. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is small potatoes. Just get ready for the ass-raping once Dems get the throne. The groundwork has been laid to ban all semi-autos via executive action. The DC majority ruling and reasoning encompasses all semi-autos, single action pistols, and shotguns capable of slamfire. It ain't over yet. |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 3:45:01 PM EDT
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So much for having 5 pro 2nd justices,right? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So that means Kavanaugh denied as well? Wow much 2A, such conservative! ETA: It's not an opinion, it's just a denial of the request for the stay. |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 4:04:11 PM EDT
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The REAL problem is that we now HAVE a throne. I guess ol' Ben had a crystal ball.
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Posted: 4/5/2019 4:22:15 PM EDT
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The likely reality is that Gorsuch and Thomas are the only two justices (IIRC) that are actively looking for a vehicle to use to gut Chevron. The justices probably aren't even looking at it through a 2nd amdt. lens. Quote HistoryQuoted:
The likely reality is that Gorsuch and Thomas are the only two justices (IIRC) that are actively looking for a vehicle to use to gut Chevron. The justices probably aren't even looking at it through a 2nd amdt. lens. Whether the Supreme Court should overrule Auer v. Robbins and Bowles v. Seminole Rock & Sand Co., which direct courts to defer to an agency’s reasonable interpretation of its own ambiguous regulation. Auer is just like Chevron. They're both heinous shirking of responsibility from the judiciary. I'm not exactly hopeful that they'll take up the torch again, as they should, but it's at least nice to see that a case has already make it to SCOTUS. |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 4:48:46 PM EDT
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The REAL problem is that we now HAVE a throne. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is small potatoes. Just get ready for the ass-raping once Dems get the throne. The groundwork has been laid to ban all semi-autos via executive action. The DC majority ruling and reasoning encompasses all semi-autos, single action pistols, and shotguns capable of slamfire. It ain't over yet. |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 5:59:54 PM EDT
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PER CURIAM ORDER [1781463] filed that, based on the government’s representation that it will not enforce the Bump-Stock Rule against the named plaintiffs or their bona fide members before 5:00 p.m. on Wednesday, April 10, 2019, the emergency joint motion to extend stay order [1781365-2] be denied and the administrative stay entered on March 23, 2019, and clarified on March 25, 2019, be dissolved. The Clerk is directed to issue the mandate forthwith. Before Judges: Henderson, Srinivasan and Millett. [19-5042, 19-5044] |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 6:02:28 PM EDT
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Is it 87D chess yet?
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Posted: 4/5/2019 6:11:59 PM EDT
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PER CURIAM ORDER [1781463] filed that, based on the government’s representation that it will not enforce the Bump-Stock Rule against the named plaintiffs or their bona fide members before 5:00 p.m. on Wednesday, April 10, 2019, the emergency joint motion to extend stay order [1781365-2] be denied and the administrative stay entered on March 23, 2019, and clarified on March 25, 2019, be dissolved. The Clerk is directed to issue the mandate forthwith. Before Judges: Henderson, Srinivasan and Millett. [19-5042, 19-5044]
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Posted: 4/5/2019 6:35:31 PM EDT
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Unfortunately, it's prettymuch as I expected.
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Posted: 4/5/2019 6:40:48 PM EDT
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So just how many Conservative voters are now Felons because of Trump?
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Posted: 4/5/2019 7:01:08 PM EDT
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So just how many Conservative voters are now Felons because of Trump? I blame Trump yes..... BUT there are others.... NRA for wanting "additional restrictions" and then NOT helping at all with the ban ATF for bypassing Congress in changing the definition of machine gun Barr for signing it and every last SOB that supports the ban |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 7:30:19 PM EDT
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an unbiased reading of the opinion would show that miltary-grade arms would be protected. since Miller did not show up to SCOTUS, there was no defense to show that short-barreled shotguns were used in WW1 and that they had a reasonable relationship to a well regulated militia. so SCOTUS just took the gov's argument and upheld the NFA. when Heller was ruled some 60+ years later, you can actually see SCOTUS trying to block Miller so that we wouldn't be able to use it to legalize MGs. https://uknowledge.uky.edu/law_facpub/265/ |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 7:46:32 PM EDT
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As many people that still have bumpstocks I blame Trump yes..... BUT there are others.... NRA for wanting "additional restrictions" and then NOT helping at all with the ban ATF for bypassing Congress in changing the definition of machine gun Barr for signing it and every last SOB that supports the ban Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So just how many Conservative voters are now Felons because of Trump? I blame Trump yes..... BUT there are others.... NRA for wanting "additional restrictions" and then NOT helping at all with the ban ATF for bypassing Congress in changing the definition of machine gun Barr for signing it and every last SOB that supports the ban
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Posted: 4/5/2019 8:00:54 PM EDT
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or binary triggers, semi auto firearms. They are machine guns. They have always been illegal. ATF is exercising prosecutorial discretion.
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Posted: 4/5/2019 8:16:27 PM EDT
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Aw, c'mon, they won't do that... promise. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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or binary triggers, semi auto firearms. They are machine guns. They have always been illegal. ATF is exercising prosecutorial discretion.
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Posted: 4/5/2019 8:17:37 PM EDT
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As many people that still have bumpstocks I blame Trump yes..... BUT there are others.... NRA for wanting "additional restrictions" and then NOT helping at all with the ban ATF for bypassing Congress in changing the definition of machine gun Barr for signing it and every last SOB that supports the ban Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So just how many Conservative voters are now Felons because of Trump? I blame Trump yes..... BUT there are others.... NRA for wanting "additional restrictions" and then NOT helping at all with the ban ATF for bypassing Congress in changing the definition of machine gun Barr for signing it and every last SOB that supports the ban Have you paid any attention at all to New Zealand? They'd have passed a confiscatory ban of semi-autos to thunderous applause. Part of the way this played out was a function of time. In fact, part of my problem with this litigation is that it could be briefed and argued before we get that one additional vote on SCOTUS to guaranty a win. (Although even a win will simply open it back up in Congress, which has never relaxed limitations of rapid fire in nearly a century). |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 8:34:50 PM EDT
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PER CURIAM ORDER [1781463] filed that, based on the government’s representation that it will not enforce the Bump-Stock Rule against the named plaintiffs or their bona fide members before 5:00 p.m. on Wednesday, April 10, 2019, the emergency joint motion to extend stay order [1781365-2] be denied and the administrative stay entered on March 23, 2019, and clarified on March 25, 2019, be dissolved. The Clerk is directed to issue the mandate forthwith. Before Judges: Henderson, Srinivasan and Millett. [19-5042, 19-5044] PER CURIAM ORDER [1781463] filed that, based on the government’s representation that it will not enforce the Bump-Stock Rule against the named plaintiffs or their bona fide members before 5:00 p.m. on Wednesday, April 10, 2019, the emergency joint motion to extend stay order [1781365-2] be denied and the administrative stay entered on March 23, 2019, and clarified on March 25, 2019, be dissolved. The Clerk is directed to issue the mandate forthwith. Before Judges: Henderson, Srinivasan and Millett. [19-5042, 19-5044] |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 8:48:06 PM EDT
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You actually think revving Congress up during the absolute HEAT of the Las Vegas thing would have been any kind of strategic good idea? Have you paid any attention at all to New Zealand? They'd have passed a confiscatory ban of semi-autos to thunderous applause. Part of the way this played out was a function of time. In fact, part of my problem with this litigation is that it could be briefed and argued before we get that one additional vote on SCOTUS to guaranty a win. (Although even a win will simply open it back up in Congress, which has never relaxed limitations of rapid fire in nearly a century). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So just how many Conservative voters are now Felons because of Trump? I blame Trump yes..... BUT there are others.... NRA for wanting "additional restrictions" and then NOT helping at all with the ban ATF for bypassing Congress in changing the definition of machine gun Barr for signing it and every last SOB that supports the ban Have you paid any attention at all to New Zealand? They'd have passed a confiscatory ban of semi-autos to thunderous applause. Part of the way this played out was a function of time. In fact, part of my problem with this litigation is that it could be briefed and argued before we get that one additional vote on SCOTUS to guaranty a win. (Although even a win will simply open it back up in Congress, which has never relaxed limitations of rapid fire in nearly a century). 
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Posted: 4/5/2019 9:15:50 PM EDT
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@SuperMoose Translation, you've got until Wednesday at 5pm to destroy or turn in? or does it say since SCOTUS said no, the stay that was in place is no longer in place...good luck? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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PER CURIAM ORDER [1781463] filed that, based on the government’s representation that it will not enforce the Bump-Stock Rule against the named plaintiffs or their bona fide members before 5:00 p.m. on Wednesday, April 10, 2019, the emergency joint motion to extend stay order [1781365-2] be denied and the administrative stay entered on March 23, 2019, and clarified on March 25, 2019, be dissolved. The Clerk is directed to issue the mandate forthwith. Before Judges: Henderson, Srinivasan and Millett. [19-5042, 19-5044] PER CURIAM ORDER [1781463] filed that, based on the government’s representation that it will not enforce the Bump-Stock Rule against the named plaintiffs or their bona fide members before 5:00 p.m. on Wednesday, April 10, 2019, the emergency joint motion to extend stay order [1781365-2] be denied and the administrative stay entered on March 23, 2019, and clarified on March 25, 2019, be dissolved. The Clerk is directed to issue the mandate forthwith. Before Judges: Henderson, Srinivasan and Millett. [19-5042, 19-5044] |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 9:30:26 PM EDT
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You actually think revving Congress up during the absolute HEAT of the Las Vegas thing would have been any kind of strategic good idea? Have you paid any attention at all to New Zealand? They'd have passed a confiscatory ban of semi-autos to thunderous applause. Part of the way this played out was a function of time. In fact, part of my problem with this litigation is that it could be briefed and argued before we get that one additional vote on SCOTUS to guaranty a win. (Although even a win will simply open it back up in Congress, which has never relaxed limitations of rapid fire in nearly a century). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So just how many Conservative voters are now Felons because of Trump? I blame Trump yes..... BUT there are others.... NRA for wanting "additional restrictions" and then NOT helping at all with the ban ATF for bypassing Congress in changing the definition of machine gun Barr for signing it and every last SOB that supports the ban Have you paid any attention at all to New Zealand? They'd have passed a confiscatory ban of semi-autos to thunderous applause. Part of the way this played out was a function of time. In fact, part of my problem with this litigation is that it could be briefed and argued before we get that one additional vote on SCOTUS to guaranty a win. (Although even a win will simply open it back up in Congress, which has never relaxed limitations of rapid fire in nearly a century). |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 10:40:47 PM EDT
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What a mess this has been.
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Posted: 4/5/2019 11:34:31 PM EDT
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I am both heartbroken and in full compliance with the rule.
My heartfelt thanks go out to NoloContendere, SuperMoose, wolfwood, Joshua Prince, and every other member of the legal team, as well as everyone that has supported the fight. The hours put in toward this fight are countless. The cost of this fight, on a personal level, has been great, and the debt owed is greater. Mark LaRue will always have my respect and admiration, but not just for how much money he has raised for this and other pro 2A fights. No, that is too easy - lesser men have raised as much or more money for far less just causes. Mark LaRue changed his position on bump stocks, and for a man to publicly change his position is rare. His change of heart was not because he suddenly saw them as a tactical weapons platform, but he recognized the underlying legal issues and potential for cascading failure to more precious things, and when he saw the potential for collateral damage he was man enough not only to change, but to become the largest fundraiser for the fight. It is so rare for a successful and prideful man to change his position on something so polarizing, and to do so in such bold fashion, that it is both astounding and awe inspiring. I'm spent. The fight is now academic to me. Better men than I may still have skin in the game, but after a year and half I'm all out of hope or answers. |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 11:38:45 PM EDT
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Weep not for the bump stocks, or even or 2a, but for the death of our republic, and the global stability and prosperity it is responsible for.
The fate if the free world will be decided in short time I fear. |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 11:40:47 PM EDT
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Weep not for the bump stocks, or even or 2a, but for the death of our republic, and the global stability and prosperity it is responsible for. The fate if the free world will be decided in short time I fear. |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 11:47:17 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/5/2019 11:53:51 PM EDT
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This is small potatoes. Just get ready for the ass-raping once Dems get the throne. |
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Posted: 4/6/2019 12:10:23 AM EDT
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Weep not for the bump stocks, or even or 2a, but for the death of our republic, and the global stability and prosperity it is responsible for. The fate if the free world will be decided in short time I fear. Except for our resident old ass retired guys, no one else has a damn excuse. You put way too much faith and allegiance to a legal system meant to fuck you in the ass. So unless you like taking it in the ass, starting thinking about what it will take to win. To truly secure liberty in this nation. Being a compliant lap dog is exactly what they hope for, it makes their job so EASY. This isn't ONE person letting you down, it multiple people, agencies, and branches of government all deliberately oppressing you. |
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Posted: 4/6/2019 12:14:50 AM EDT
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Maybe they can still do that-lets decide this shit once and for all and get it over with.No more death of a thousand cuts-ban all semi auto's and lets see how it plays out.......... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So just how many Conservative voters are now Felons because of Trump? I blame Trump yes..... BUT there are others.... NRA for wanting "additional restrictions" and then NOT helping at all with the ban ATF for bypassing Congress in changing the definition of machine gun Barr for signing it and every last SOB that supports the ban Have you paid any attention at all to New Zealand? They'd have passed a confiscatory ban of semi-autos to thunderous applause. Part of the way this played out was a function of time. In fact, part of my problem with this litigation is that it could be briefed and argued before we get that one additional vote on SCOTUS to guaranty a win. (Although even a win will simply open it back up in Congress, which has never relaxed limitations of rapid fire in nearly a century). All the Marbles are up for play in the Big Game. 
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Posted: 4/6/2019 12:17:58 AM EDT
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