Buy coal stocks. That electricity has to come from somewhere.

MB employee here.
The current line of engines will run a few more years.Plus their replacements are all ready "developed".So gas will be around 10-15yrs easy.

I’d bet it’s similar to what the livery stable industry experienced way back

Battery tech is improving and will continue to improve
In the last 5 years Tesla has added about 50% increase in range and reduced charging time by about 35%
In dc fast chargers
It will continue in that direction
For daily driving/commuting 99 % of people will meet 99% of their needs by fueling at home at night when the grid isn’t stressed
Today with no further advancements long distance travel (at least for Tesla) refueling electric cars has been reduced to a mild inconvenience
Adding about an hour and 45 minutes of charge time to a 1000 mile road trip
(To put it a different way you’ll have to have a sit down lunch and dinner rather than fast food when your vehicle is refueling)
To put that in perspective
On a 1000 mile road trip in an ice car
5 minutes x 2 for the trip
Fast food once or twice 9 minutes for ordering/delivery x 2
28 minutes
1:45 minutes - 30 minutes = 1:15 inconvenience for Tesla driving long distance
And I had a sit down meal plus difference in electric fuel cost

They should be freaking out
The future is electric
Electric car industry is in its infancy, practically speaking only about 6-7 years old
The problem of energy storage was the issue
That problem has been mitigated to a large extent and will only get better as competition in the space is just now coming online

The vehicle industry and all associated industry’s will adjust or die
Car dealerships who get their profits from their service depts are going to get hit really hard as electric motors are basically maintenance free
No oil changes
No fuel system
No timing belts
No spark plugs
No exhaust system
No transmission
Etc etc

Europe and China are going all in
US gas car makers will not survive on US sales alone
First the car prices will go up to offset the losses in the global market
It will hit a point where why would you pay a 30% premium to buy a gas car when 2/3 of the gas stations have closed and dc fast charge stations have increased 1000%

It is going to happen
In 3 years or 25 years it is going to happen and it doesn’t really matter if anyone likes it or not

We don’t ride horses and buggies for transportation and we don’t put Kodak film in our cameras, we don’t use landline phones, we don’t listen to cassette tapes, and we don’t go down to blockbuster to gets some tapes to watch over the weekend

Waves in Panasonic https://eu.industrial.panasonic.com/products/batteries-energy-products/automotive-battery

This shareholder is distinctly displeased by this.

Colt couldn't afford to buy the suits that the D-B CEO wears, much less majority interest.

User name checks out

^Fan boy delivering the HONK HONK.

The last road trip I took was last month. Since then, I've already spent more time filling up my DD for my daily commute than I would have had to wait for an EV to recharge during that trip.

I'm not seeing the downside to the EV.

Came here to post this. Between variable lift and adjustable cam timing, direct injection, variable turbo charging, internal intercooling.

You gotta wonder how much more can be squeezed from IC engines. My prediction is that the future is several varieties of hybrid as I don't see full electric being a solid solution for decades to come.

Enjoy it while you can, gearheads. This is just like the late 60's all over again.

I think it’s more a case of they can’t get their engines and esp Transmissions to last more then 10 years so..... why not lol

Prius

More Europeans park their vehicles on the public road or in parking garages.  How the hell are you going to retrofit those locations for charging stations?

Panasonic will nearly double its capacity near term (which is insignificant in terms of world total vehicles produced) - but there continues to be bottlenecks. Battery metals - with the additional Aus Lithium production a Lithium oversupply (or at least a cost decrease) is looming. Cobalt and Nickel are an issue now.

Market will fix eventually, but my point remains - 100% EV replacement ain't happening now, soon, or likely at all.

So in my neck of the woods.... NEVER

The only thing is it’s true

Whereas it’s completely untrue that it takes two weeks to cross the country in a Tesla
Hell, an older Nissan Leaf can do it in 4-5 days

That’s the thing, it’s the truth and some people when confronted with a fact that doesn’t fit their narrative will double down and say “nope it’s two weeks” even when evidence shows that to be untrue.

Or use a term like “fanboy” to invoke a narrative that that truth is not valid because of the you know “fanboy”

“He really likes the company so you have to take anything he says with a grain of salt”

Never mind the fact of what he said is 100% accurate
And he posted information that 100% states what he said was indeed factually correct.

1908-“hey mister livery stable owner, what do you think of mr fords fancy affordable horseless carriage?”

-livery stable owner “it’s pretty neat, it’s cool it’s faster than a horse and all but only in a straight line. And once it’s out of gas my horse will keep on going. I mean look, there are only a few gas stations around so how are you going to refuel it? And besides that, it’s really only good if you live in a big city. If you want drive it long distance there is the gas station issue and what roads are you going to drive it on? There are only a few smooth enough to not beat the car to pieces. And another thing, where is mr ford going to get all that steel for his cars? The supply chain is constrained by the building industry buying it all up for those big buildings. And what about the rubber for all those tires? Only X amount of rubber is produced a year and it’s pretty much spoken for.....and the oil and gas companies are pretty much tapped out in their refining capacity. They can never handle fuel for any significant number of those fancy cars. I’m not worried in the least bit they are kind of cool. Even if, I’ve still got farmers bringing their crops to town. No car can ever replace that plus they need those horses to work their fields. Cars can’t plow fields”

Fast forward 12 years to the 1920s when Americans bought 26 million cars and 3 million trucks.
Plus tractors

I’m certain there were tons of “cling to your horse” folks that made these arguments

And to me those arguments seem really familiar

There is a huge portion of GD that operates on feelz. Logic and facts are useless.

Now work to get 60%

Which is part of my point

That tesla guy posts about horses vs. cars..... there's still a shit tonne of horse~n~buggies rolling around out here

No. No, they aren't.

Until electric vehicles offer refueling/recharging as quickly and conveniently as gasoline does, they won't be mainstream.

I've been told recharging a vehicle battery that has 300+ miles of range in 3-5 minutes would require a massive amount of power (not sure if voltage or amperage or both).  Pretty much every "gas station" out there would have to be re-wired and it would be a strain on the current electrical grid.

Another solution would be for standardized battery packs that can be swapped in 3-5 minutes but that presents other engineering and design challenges, plus the labor or equipment in the field to swap the batteries.

To quote the great oil strategist "Oil is like dating, Gas is like being married."

No point. The lessons learned getting to 50% would fuel 3 decades of production R&D requirements.

The smart move is to take the billions that would be spent chasing another 10% and work on electric (purely as a hedge).

unrelatedly is mercedes looking in to how to upgrade the power grid 3-4x ? because if not i see bad thing on the horizon for them.

I still don't understand why hybrids have been abandoned; it seems like the best of both worlds.  The performance and simplicity of electric drive train, with the flexibility and range of a small gas generator to charge the battery.

People don't buy vehicles for 99% of the time.  They buy them for the 1% of the time.

Suzy McWifeunit buys a crossover to drop the kids at school on Tuesday and Thursday and buy 36-packs of toilet paper at Costco three times per year.  The other 99% of the time, she's by herself driving to work.

Joe VanderTuffnuts buys a pickup to tow his camper twice a year and pickup a few bags of mulch and fertilizer throughout the year.  The other 99% of the time, he's by himself driving to the bar or the bowling alley.

This why roads aren't full of single-occupant vehicles.  We buy for 1%, not 99%.

Where is the massive amount of extra electricity going to come from? We already have problems supplying enough power to areas with higher populations when it gets hot.  Charge over night when the grid is less stressed?  Don't you think it would be stressed if a shit ton of people plug in their cars before heading to bed?

Try carry a bunch of crap or towing some stuff. 1% of charge per mile in one test.

Shh, we don't talk about that.  Electricity comes from the wall, just like food comes from the grocery store.

These cherry picked cannonball runs mean nothing, electric cars are not practical for long distance driving.  If I can do some cherry picking of my own, look at New York to Seattle.  42hrs in a normal car.

Standard range Model X takes 69hrs and a 250 mile detour to find superchargers.  This trip might not even be possible in winter.  Assuming 10hrs/day driving, you're slightly faster than a bicycle.

Japan is betting on Hydrogen to hedge that, but they will not give up IC engines as nothing comes close to the being able to supply the amount of energy needed to keep major economies ticking along and moving. I agree, and I doubt EV's will ever take over, they will be supplemental.

MB engines are really good, they can afford to not invest for 5 to 10 years and play with hybrid systems and keep their politicians placated. That is what I read into this.

Oil is the lubricator of the world, nothing can change that no matter how green the fluffers lips are!

I don’t know but we figured it out in 10 years when we went from needing to fuel 500,000 cars in 1908 to needing to fuel 30,000,000 in the 1920s

Yes that was good ol oil
We produced enough to meet the need in 1908  and on utility scale as the need increased so did the production

I get pretty much all of my fuel from solar
15kw system
Makes more than I use for driving and my house

Maybe more hydro? Maybe need storage on a utility scale to offset? Maybe more nuclear? More wind? More solar?
Natural gas?

We have done it before
When electric consumption has increased we have responded.

It’s a valid question but when the question is phrased in such a way as to be nearly rhetorical it dismisses the fact we have rapidly increased production of fuel for gas cars in the past and we have rapidly increased electrical production in the past to meet rapidly rising electrical consumption

The fact that electricity is going to be used in something you might not agree with doesn’t feminism the fact we have produced pretty much anything we have needed to meet the demand that need required.
There is  a business model in there somewhere

LOLno

Call me when they figure out how to electrically power a passenger airliner

Mercedes have always had shit resale value. That's not new.

Couldn't agree more.

You could have both, with something like this:

Wrong again
55.5 hours for that trip in a Tesla model X
Shave 1.5 hours off that trip time if you spend the night along the way and charge at the hotel

https://abetterrouteplanner.com/?plan_uuid=68ab7230-9835-4bd9-8018-9c576d028245

I’m not sure if the trip plan will show up in that address I posted
If you want  to see the reality of NY to Seattle in a Tesla model X
Go to abetterrouteplaner  website
Put NY in as starting point
Put Seattle as destination
Pull up settings
Choose Tesla model X raven refresh as the vehicle
Choose speed limit factor as 110% if speed limit
Choose max speed of set a max speed of 85mph (it will calculate against 110% of speed limit)
Choose buffer of 5% and 100% charge for your starting charge %
Choose only using Tesla super chargers
Hit plan route
The first figure will be trip time without factoring in overnights
The first figure is total trip time of 55 hours
Then it’s broken down to drive time and charging time

Not bad those
The first player shorted Tesla by 11.5 days of trip time
You only tacked in 25%

Would you like to discuss this topic in terms of efficiency, logistics, mathematics or economics?

I'd like you to answer this rhetorical question; "Which source of energy best suits our current state, and the next 10 years of economic growth and stability?"

Consumer cars are such a small part of the energy equation, but they are the most emotional subject because we all want to be the master of our own horse. How do we power the devices that move (logistically) most of the stuff we need to keep our economies productive? Can EV's compete with current systems?

EV's are novelties for market mavens and first movers, but on every measurable scale of economic development and environmental protection, they are net losers.

Hydrogen creates a conundrum, but it has to be produced by massive amounts of electricity so how the hell do we do that??

NOTHING is free. But some things are more efficient and easier to improve like the energy systems we have now. Get over that and embrace cleaning of current systems before embarking on new untested ones.

It’s also bullshit as they still sell commercial vehicles.

Dude, I used Tesla's own route planner. Click the link and look for yourself.

I would laugh if Mercedes stopped but AMG didn't. Half-fast, short-legged econoboxes for the lay people while the wealthy still get the hot V from AMG.

They may have 10-20 years worth of development already in the bottle.

Here is an article you might want to read  about short hop electric passenger planes

https://www.google.com/amp/s/electrek.co/2018/04/27/all-electric-trainer-plane-airworthiness-certification-faa-us/amp/
Oops wrong one, that’s for small GA trainers and talks about the cost savings

Here is the one for commercial planes

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/business-48630656

I drive a Tesla the default Tesla app leaves about a 20% buffer in their route planner app

I use “abetterrouteplanner” app to plan any long distance travel

It takes far more into account like letting you set speed parameters, your own buffer, etc etc

That's what I was thinking

Should it be "go broke, get woke"?