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Posted: 6/28/2017 10:42:17 PM EDT

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I swear I heard someone whisper, "He wasn't driving, he was traveling..." out of my computer speakers as I read the replies here.

Posted: 6/28/2017 10:43:13 PM EDT

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I didn't say that I agreed with it. It just happens to be current law. If you're going to troll 5.0, you need to to edumacate yourself first...or take your hickory shampoo and don't get paid. Stupid is as stupid does.

Posted: 6/28/2017 10:44:44 PM EDT

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....and then there is this.

When a passenger keeps inserting themselves into the stop, I am usually inclined to separate them. You know how you separate two people inside a small box? You get one out of the small box. Which SCOTUS lets me do.

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The cite goes to the driver (if he gets one). The way the passenger was answering for the driver and interjecting herself into the contact would result in most any cop wanting the driver to step out.

....and then there is this.

When a passenger keeps inserting themselves into the stop, I am usually inclined to separate them. You know how you separate two people inside a small box? You get one out of the small box. Which SCOTUS lets me do.

That's a slippery slope to an ass-fucking as an earlier poster alluded to

Posted: 6/28/2017 10:47:23 PM EDT

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"In contrast, the potential daily burden on thousands of innocent citizens is obvious." Any risk to officers, Stevens wrote, "must be weighed against the unnecessary invasion that will be imposed on innocent citizens under the majority's rule in the tremendous number of routine stops that occur each day....[C]ountless citizens who cherish individual liberty and are offended, embarrassed and sometimes provoked by arbitrary official commands may well consider the burden to be significant....[T]he aggregation of thousands upon thousands of petty indignities has an impact on freedom that I would characterize as substantial, and which in my view clearly outweighs the...safety concerns....

"How far this ground-breaking decision will take us, I do not venture to predict," Stevens darkly concluded. "I fear, however, that it may pose a more serious threat to individual liberty than the Court realizes." - Justice Stevens

That guy got pulled over for going 9mph over.

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I never said that i agreed with the ruling. It is what it is.

Posted: 6/28/2017 10:49:49 PM EDT

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I've probably been pulled over a dozen times. Just for speeding. What sort of reasons can cops ask me to step out of the vehicle?

Of those times I probably only got 3-4 tickets. I always have license, insurance, and reg in my left hand, both hand on the wheel. Truck off, window open with the lights on.

Eta, and if I am not giving him a reason can he order me out just cause he's having a bad day?

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To watch you walk to their squad and get a chance to smell your breath...

Your honour, while the subject walked to my squad his gate was staggered and then I smelled ETOH on his breath while he was seated in my passenger seat. This gave me probable cause to perform me to a field sobriety test.

Odds are you won't talk yourself out of a ticket, but sure as hell you can talk yourself into one.. You may beat the rap, but you're not going to beat the ride...

Posted: 6/28/2017 10:50:33 PM EDT

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So, you're saying that the interior light wasn't turned on for benefit of the officer's comfort and safety, but was turned on for better lighting for the lawsuit video?

Seems like the video stopped just as things were starting to get interesting. Wonder what we missed?

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I agree. Driver was an asshole.

Cop asked him where the gun was, driver refused to answer. That is plenty to set off the cop's spidey senses and it was obvious the driver was just looking for a confrontation. His wife was stirring the pot hard too. They have a history of suing the state and he was recently indicted on assaulting a police officer. I want to know why his CHL hadn't been revoked.

So, you're saying that the interior light wasn't turned on for benefit of the officer's comfort and safety, but was turned on for better lighting for the lawsuit video?

Seems like the video stopped just as things were starting to get interesting. Wonder what we missed?

Good question. Quincy and his wife did a lot of selective editing.

<sarcasm> I'm sure they left in all the parts that debunked their motives. </sarcasm>

Posted: 6/28/2017 10:50:51 PM EDT

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Can we see more info on drivers pending charge of assault on a police officer? Even though I have buddies who are LEO I have seen plenty of bad officers file a report claiming that either they were assaulted by someone just rolling up a car window or trying to open or close a car door etc. I will wait until the court case is settled before I hang the guy as guilty.

That being said. I agree that the driver should have just obeyed the officers request but I still think the request was unwarranted. And for those of you who keep bringing up the PA law about Mimms..... you realize that there are bad laws as well right? Like 10 round limits in magazines..... etc..... just because there is a law doesn't make it right.

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I agree. Driver was an asshole.

Cop asked him where the gun was, driver refused to answer. That is plenty to set off the cop's spidey senses and it was obvious the driver was just looking for a confrontation. His wife was stirring the pot hard too. They have a history of suing the state and he was recently indicted on assaulting a police officer. I want to know why his CHL hadn't been revoked.

Can we see more info on drivers pending charge of assault on a police officer? Even though I have buddies who are LEO I have seen plenty of bad officers file a report claiming that either they were assaulted by someone just rolling up a car window or trying to open or close a car door etc. I will wait until the court case is settled before I hang the guy as guilty.

That being said. I agree that the driver should have just obeyed the officers request but I still think the request was unwarranted. And for those of you who keep bringing up the PA law about Mimms..... you realize that there are bad laws as well right? Like 10 round limits in magazines..... etc..... just because there is a law doesn't make it right.

I posted some links on page one

Posted: 6/28/2017 10:51:56 PM EDT

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Driver stand and deliver!

Posted: 6/28/2017 10:52:01 PM EDT

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I am going to have to ask my cop buddies about this. But I imagine asking someone out of a vehicle has to increase the likely hood of going hands on. Because now you are in physical contact as you are escorted back, probably a pat down as well and maybe "cuffs for my safety, but you are not under arrest". So now a quick ticket or warning escalated into something potentially more dangerous because both actors are on edge.

I don't get why everyone just falls in goosestep with the "court decided they can do it so it is proper". I have to imagine that for "their safety" cops could pull every last person out of their car at every tiny infraction because they are legally justified..... when all it would do is piss off good citizens who have basically done nothing wrong(maybe failed to signal a lane change)

. To me it just seems like it turned a traffic violation notification into a Terry Stop.

Posted: 6/28/2017 10:52:36 PM EDT

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Why is that guy not speaking? And why is that harp answering for him?

I'm not a cop, but I'd get him out of the vehicle too.

Posted: 6/28/2017 10:53:39 PM EDT

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I live in Dallas. If I'm carrying on my person and the cop lights go off, first thing I'm doing is taking gun off and putting it in glove compartment as I merge over to the shoulder before I come to a stop.

Never had an issue. Hand CHL with DL. Cop asks if I'm carrying, I say "yes". They ask where the gun is and I say "glove compartment".

Never an issue.

Posted: 6/28/2017 10:53:53 PM EDT

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No thank God, I have enough people to babysit.

Still, the cop didn't violate anything asking the guy to step out. His wife was bitching a 'tude so he was looking to de-escalate the situation. I've been through a few checkpoints myself and while GA is not a notification state I always inform the kind peach office I'm carrying while handing my CHL and liscence. I've never been asked to step out of my car, just not to reach for my weapon; 10 and 2 on the steering wheel.

That couple was obviously looking to pick a bone over the stop, yeah a broken tail light is kind of a BS excuse but it still gives probable cause. Treat the office and his job respect and he/she will do the same. At least that's been my experience. <shrugs>

Posted: 6/28/2017 10:55:24 PM EDT

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i try to keep spare bulbs in the truck, just sayin'

Posted: 6/28/2017 10:57:12 PM EDT

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Angry Women was in the car

Chris Rock - How not to get your ass beat by cops.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQLCF4Tiqg4

Posted: 6/28/2017 11:04:27 PM EDT

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Never understood why people have to be assholes to cops, but I have no sympathy for this couple. They were looking for a confrontation from the get go.

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So they can upload it to YouTube and yell police racism and over use of force, just two more stupid fuck heads!

Posted: 6/28/2017 11:05:54 PM EDT

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i try to keep spare bulbs in the truck, just sayin'

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I converted all my lights over to LED's awhile back,,, The vehicle will rust out under me way before I have a buld shit the bed... Fuck be upon the old incandescent bulbs..

Posted: 6/28/2017 11:07:51 PM EDT

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I am going to have to ask my cop buddies about this. But I imagine asking someone out of a vehicle has to increase the likely hood of going hands on. Because now you are in physical contact as you are escorted back, probably a pat down as well and maybe "cuffs for my safety, but you are not under arrest". So now a quick ticket or warning escalated into something potentially more dangerous because both actors are on edge.

I don't get why everyone just falls in goosestep with the "court decided they can do it so it is proper". I have to imagine that for "their safety" cops could pull every last person out of their car at every tiny infraction because they are legally justified..... when all it would do is piss off good citizens who have basically done nothing wrong(maybe failed to signal a lane change)

. To me it just seems like it turned a traffic violation notification into a Terry Stop.

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Meh, driver staying in the car can be beneficial to the officer, but getting the driver out can have benefits as well. Cooperative driver is more likely to stay in the vehicle. When the stop starts to appear to be going beyond routine (and I hate using that word), I want away from the door, away from my ass probably hanging out in traffic, driver out where I can deal with just him and not what he has access to in the car and sometimes as in this case, the cheering section.

Posted: 6/28/2017 11:07:52 PM EDT

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I converted all my lights over to LED's awhile back,,, The vehicle will rust out under me way before I have a buld shit the bed... Fuck be upon the old incandescent bulbs..

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While not as often, LED lights go out as well. They are much better but not as good as they claim to be.

Posted: 6/28/2017 11:07:56 PM EDT

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Cop knows you have a gun in the car. Asks you where it is. Reasonable request, IMO.

You refuse to answer and the other occupant starts getting shitty with the cop. Yep, you're getting out of the car, easy way or hard way, LTC or no.

Posted: 6/28/2017 11:08:17 PM EDT

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Can you feel the outrage and injustice?

Looks like a fairly recent news conference. Did this even make the local news?

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Posted: 6/28/2017 11:09:23 PM EDT

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If I'm carrying on my person and the cop lights go off, first thing I'm doing is taking gun off and putting it in glove compartment as I merge over to the shoulder before I come to a stop.

Never had an issue. Hand CHL with DL. Cop asks if I'm carrying, I say "yes". They ask where the gun is and I say "glove compartment".

Never an issue.

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This to me seems like a great way to give an officer "probable cause to search"

Less movement is better raises far less suspicion. Movement looks like something is being hidden or possibility that a weapon is being reached for can be threatening if suspected of an "unlawful" act. Glove box or not.

On that note some states have transport laws that even if CCing the weapon has to be on their person. If found loaded and chambered in the glove box, and a search is done they could now nail you for the unlawful transport.

Posted: 6/28/2017 11:19:00 PM EDT

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This to me seems like a great way to give an officer "probable cause to search"

Less movement is better raises far less suspicion. Movement looks like something is being hidden or possibility that a weapon is being reached for can be threatening if suspected of an "unlawful" act. Glove box or not.

On that note some states have transport laws that even if CCing the weapon has to be on their person. If found loaded and chambered in the glove box, and a search is done they could now nail you for the unlawful transport.

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In Texas if concealed with a license it doesn't matter where. If openly carried it has to be in a belt or shoulder holster. This case predates open carry though.

Posted: 6/28/2017 11:21:53 PM EDT

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This to me seems like a great way to give an officer "probable cause to search"

Less movement is better raises far less suspicion. Movement looks like something is being hidden or possibility that a weapon is being reached for can be threatening if suspected of an "unlawful" act. Glove box or not.

On that note some states have transport laws that even if CCing the weapon has to be on their person. If found loaded and chambered in the glove box, and a search is done they could now nail you for the unlawful transport.

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I'm sneaky. I've done it 3 times. They've never noticed. I'm also very respectful, "yes sir", etc. Got pulled over twice in west Texas for rolling through stop signs. One of those occasions was at Big Bend National Park with federal police. 3rd time was for speeding in Dallas. Was never asked to get out, ever, in my entire life.

I'm 6'4" with long arms

so I don't even have to take my head off the headrest to do it. I also usually throw my hospital work badge on. Every time I've worn it, never a citation.

Posted: 6/28/2017 11:23:18 PM EDT

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Both parties are at fault here. The driver is mostly at fault for failure to comply with a lawful order. The passenger really escalated things as well. You seriously must be a certain kind of defective to think you'll win a pissing match against an officer.

Had the driver told his wife to shut the fuck up and got out of the vehicle, the video wouldn't have been YouTube worthy.

Posted: 6/28/2017 11:27:00 PM EDT

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I just finished washing the Jeep and since it was dark I decided to check my vehicle lights. I have recently replaced all the exterior lights except fopr the high beam, near roofline brake light and license plates lights.
Guess what I saw?
Both license plate lights are out.

Better fix that so I am not dragged out or given a ticket.

Bulb is #168. Not the same as others replaced. I should have ordered those with the others.

Off to O'Reilleys...when it is light out.

Posted: 6/28/2017 11:27:05 PM EDT

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let's just admit it, the police in this country want everyone to be guilty until proven innocent. And if you aren't doing anything illegal, what do you have to hide?

All the shit reminds me of communist Poland. They make it seem like it won't be abused because people are inherently good, but people are actually inherently bad.

Just wait until the Liberals are in power again and they use all this bullshit against you.

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Yeah, the guys who decided Miranda rights apply to any post arrest interrogation, they are just out to stick it to the little guy.

let's just admit it, the police in this country want everyone to be guilty until proven innocent. And if you aren't doing anything illegal, what do you have to hide?

All the shit reminds me of communist Poland. They make it seem like it won't be abused because people are inherently good, but people are actually inherently bad.

Just wait until the Liberals are in power again and they use all this bullshit against you.

Your post, minus the liberals admitting it, is exactly why liberals tell me guns aren't needed here. "That could never happen here"

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2013/11/07/new-details-emerge-about-new-mexico-man-at-center-of-police-departments-anal-probing-controversy/

Posted: 6/28/2017 11:27:06 PM EDT

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In Texas if concealed with a license it doesn't matter where. If openly carried it has to be in a belt or shoulder holster. This case predates open carry though.

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Yeah, sometimes I put my pistol in my cup holder with a little dry wash rag over it.

Posted: 6/28/2017 11:31:36 PM EDT

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I'm not going to argue with some weirdo cop who wants me to get out of the car when my family is with me.

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lol some of you guys would let a cop fuck you in the butt if it was a "lawful" order.

I'm not going to argue with some weirdo cop who wants me to get out of the car when my family is with me.

Not even if the argument was about anal sex?

Posted: 6/28/2017 11:33:45 PM EDT

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The wife should have kept her big fat mouth shut and let the cop do the talking. Follow instructions, be NICE and respectful and be on your way. If they were cool they would have probably got a simple warning to get their light fixed. Like "Hey can you tell me where the nearest auto parts store is so we can drive over there right now to buy a bulb?" would have probably done the trick.

Posted: 6/28/2017 11:34:41 PM EDT

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Posted: 6/28/2017 11:36:49 PM EDT

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Over a broken tail light? That's messed up. The cop should have deduced, by virtue of the fact that the guy had a CHL, that he wasn't a criminal.

What a pussy.

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Shot and killed by a ccw permit holder. http://officerphilipdavis.com/

Posted: 6/28/2017 11:38:10 PM EDT

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Why didn't he just get out of the fucking car? Both the driver and passenger had more attitude than you could throw a stick at. He could have easily avoided the ride.

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And both of them had to throw the attitude at first contact.

LOL...then again, pretty sad.

Posted: 6/28/2017 11:41:18 PM EDT

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lol some of you guys would let a cop fuck you in the butt if it was a "lawful" order.

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But(t) it's not, so we don't have to worry about (or look forward to in some of ya'lls' cases) that.

Posted: 6/28/2017 11:46:01 PM EDT

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Why didn't he just get out of the fucking car? Both the driver and passenger had more attitude than you could throw a stick at. He could have easily avoided the ride.

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Did the cop not have the same attitude? Write the ticket and move the fuck on.

It's a fuckin taillight.

Posted: 6/28/2017 11:46:06 PM EDT

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The black couple already decided to film themselves being noncompliant to try to get their fifteen minutes. Well, you got it, bye now.

Posted: 6/28/2017 11:50:28 PM EDT

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The black couple already decided to film themselves being noncompliant to try to get their fifteen minutes. Well, you got it, bye now.

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That 15 minutes turned into 2 years!

Posted: 6/28/2017 11:54:12 PM EDT

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You exercising a Constitutional right is a threat to their safety. Wait... You exercising a Constitutional right that you had to pay the state to perform an exhaustive background check and send you a piece of plastic saying you're law abiding enough to exercise that Constitutional right is a threat to their safety.

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Cops were scared for their safety.
They are the biggest joke.

You exercising a Constitutional right is a threat to their safety. Wait... You exercising a Constitutional right that you had to pay the state to perform an exhaustive background check and send you a piece of plastic saying you're law abiding enough to exercise that Constitutional right is a threat to their safety.

They'll lie and find any excuse to do this. Just laugh at them when they want support when BLM is offering a politically protected FU to the cops.

Posted: 6/28/2017 11:57:14 PM EDT

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lol some of you guys would let a cop fuck you in the butt if it was a "lawful" order.

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You;'re not smart and should not use a firearm for a self-defense weapon. You're just too dumb to apply the law.

Posted: 6/28/2017 11:57:26 PM EDT

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Not if you've paid the state to exercise a right enumerated in the Constitution it seems.

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don't police always say to stay in the car for their safety?

Not if you've paid the state to exercise a right enumerated in the Constitution it seems.

Posted: 6/29/2017 12:01:27 AM EDT

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Posted: 6/29/2017 12:02:08 AM EDT

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LOL.

"Doan hafta be a thang unless use make it a thang."

Posted: 6/29/2017 12:05:03 AM EDT

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Step out, keep mouth shut, get warning, go home.

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Posted: 6/29/2017 12:06:13 AM EDT

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Found some background. Driver has a history of assault on cops.

Defendant Quincy Blakely, indicted for assault of a public servant by the Dallas County Grand Jury in 2015, see State v. Blakely, No. F1518020 (Crim. Dist. Ct. No. 5, Dallas Cty., Tex.), has removed the aforementioned, still pending state criminal prosecution to this Court under 28 U.S.C. § 1455, see Dkt. No. 3. United States District Judge Jane J. Boyle has referred this action to the undersigned United States magistrate judge for pretrial management under 28 U.S.C. § 636(b) and an order of reference. See Dkt. No. 5. The undersigned issues the following findings of fact, conclusions of law, and recommendation that the Court should sua sponte remand this action to the Dallas County Criminal District Court No. 5.

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There's always a backstory.

Posted: 6/29/2017 12:12:45 AM EDT

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Shit like this is why you'll never spee me informing a cop that I'm carrying. Too many cops are depressed micro dick retards and will fuck with you.

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There's no penalty for not notifying. I don't understand why police get pissy over pointless things like this. If the guy didn't have a
LTC, the cop never would have known or even bothered to ask.

Shit like this is why you'll never spee me informing a cop that I'm carrying. Too many cops are depressed micro dick retards and will fuck with you.

In Tx there's no reason not to inform as it's going to come up when they run your license anyway.

Posted: 6/29/2017 12:14:46 AM EDT

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The stupid is overwhelming.
The wife should learn to keep her mouth shut.

~~That said the cop was being a dick.~~

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Reminds me of "How not to get your ass beat by the cops" routine.

Posted: 6/29/2017 12:42:49 AM EDT

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Good plan... reach over and grab the screwdriver and the bulb and hop right out.

Posted: 6/29/2017 1:21:43 AM EDT

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If he would have told that bitch to shut up and not say a word then talked to the cop like a man there would have been no issue.

Posted: 6/29/2017 1:26:31 AM EDT

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I'd pull him out too with the passenger yammering like that. I'm talking to him, not his wife.

Some of you guys are real sheltered if you think a carry permit automatically means you are a good guy. Plenty of shit bags in the hood have permits - they are the ones who hold the guns for their felon buddies until it's time for shit to pop off.

Posted: 6/29/2017 1:29:15 AM EDT

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I thought Texas was a state full of freedoms that the rest of America should aspire to and not a fascist police state?

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Lol. Fuck Texas, that state has more issues with statism than half of the blue states in this country.

Posted: 6/29/2017 1:31:14 AM EDT

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Shot and killed by a ccw permit holder. http://officerphilipdavis.com/

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Just so we're clear, one incident allows you to profile everyone and treat everyone suspiciously, but when cops do bad things it's "a small percentage/don't judge all cops by one/bad apples/etc."

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