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Posted: 7/31/2017 6:08:45 PM EDT
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I own page 4.
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Posted: 7/31/2017 6:18:57 PM EDT
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Have it it from an active duty DPD officer; Friday an email went out, no Dallas PD officers are to carry the Sig 320 effective immediately. Officers were carrying these as authorized private purchase. RUMOR is they can discharge when dropped. Real reason is Dallas can't afford the new Sig handguns. They can't even afford to pay their officers. I live here and have several DPD buddies. |
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Posted: 7/31/2017 6:30:05 PM EDT
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DPD isn't making it public for now the reason Glock frees up a lot of money for spiffs and kickbacks by not having a research & development department. |
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Posted: 7/31/2017 6:35:11 PM EDT
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I might get on the 320 bandwagon after the first revision or two once the military figured out the warts. They release way too many products way too quickly for me to want any. How many brand new models of rifles, pistols, scopes, red dots, electro optics, knives, slings, holsters, airguns, ammunition, clothes, magazines, 87 variants of all of the above, legion stuff, commemorative stuff, watches.... FFS they have a $1600 msrp chinese ACOG clone that weighs twice as much, is covered in rails and weighs twice as much and has half the eye relief Online reviews are fucking terrible and it is hideous. They have a few cool things but not the kind of company i want massive govt contracts going to. There was zero reason to go with anything other than a glock 19/17. Who cares if the serialized trigger module thingy can be swapped around and lost by soldiers? Glock is extremely proven, i bet there will be new "generations' of the 320 within a couple years, unless they dont want to release for fear of being obligated to replace whatever defects pop up. Glocks were already proven with 30+ yrs of use. |
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Posted: 7/31/2017 6:38:41 PM EDT
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Name a lawsuit that was filed, that Glock won. Just name one. Can Austin TX PD be sued because they publicly pulled Fords because of carbon monoxide? You can be sued for literally anything. It takes very little to file papers and begin the legal process. |
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Posted: 7/31/2017 6:39:01 PM EDT
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Isn't that weird trigger safety thingy found on just about every striker fired trigger other than the P320 part of the drop safety? 
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8c/STEYR-PISTOL-M9-A1.png http://www.waltherarms.com/wp-content/uploads/pps-left.jpg http://assets.academy.com/mgen/72/10105872.jpg http://hkusa.s3.amazonaws.com/20160512201340/VP9-FDE-LEFT-NIGHT-SIGHTS-WEB.jpg https://snwcdnprod.azureedge.net/sites/default/files/styles/product_main/public/firearms/images/209001_01_lg_1.jpg?itok=9yoWAbdR Does the P320 actually have a mechanism built into the trigger system to prevent the rearward movement of the trigger unless its pressed by a finger, like all of the others pictured? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm not a Sig guy, but I'll go ahead and assume that IF a gun discharged when it dropped, it was modified from factory form. Because safety plungers and firing pin blocks are for suckers.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8c/STEYR-PISTOL-M9-A1.png http://www.waltherarms.com/wp-content/uploads/pps-left.jpg http://assets.academy.com/mgen/72/10105872.jpg http://hkusa.s3.amazonaws.com/20160512201340/VP9-FDE-LEFT-NIGHT-SIGHTS-WEB.jpg https://snwcdnprod.azureedge.net/sites/default/files/styles/product_main/public/firearms/images/209001_01_lg_1.jpg?itok=9yoWAbdR Does the P320 actually have a mechanism built into the trigger system to prevent the rearward movement of the trigger unless its pressed by a finger, like all of the others pictured? |
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Posted: 7/31/2017 6:40:59 PM EDT
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The melting issue? 
You mean when MAC fired 1,000 rounds through it in like 8 minutes and the frame slightly warped? That is so far outside of what any of these guns would be used for in the military, and even if it did happen its a simple fix of throwing away the frame and buying a new one for $30. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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First the melting issues now this. Not surprised <not a glock fanboy>
You mean when MAC fired 1,000 rounds through it in like 8 minutes and the frame slightly warped? That is so far outside of what any of these guns would be used for in the military, and even if it did happen its a simple fix of throwing away the frame and buying a new one for $30. |
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Posted: 7/31/2017 6:47:57 PM EDT
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OP is a clickbait tool.
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Posted: 7/31/2017 6:52:45 PM EDT
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The melting issue?
You mean when MAC fired 1,000 rounds through it in like 8 minutes and the frame slightly warped? That is so far outside of what any of these guns would be used for in the military, and even if it did happen its a simple fix of throwing away the frame and buying a new one for $30. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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First the melting issues now this. Not surprised <not a glock fanboy>
You mean when MAC fired 1,000 rounds through it in like 8 minutes and the frame slightly warped? That is so far outside of what any of these guns would be used for in the military, and even if it did happen its a simple fix of throwing away the frame and buying a new one for $30. SIG fanboy: ERMAHGURD piece of junk glock grenade crap Frame warps on MAC 1000 round thru SIG... sig fanboy: Move along nothing to see here. |
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Posted: 7/31/2017 6:56:23 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/31/2017 6:57:14 PM EDT
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Real reason is Dallas can't afford the new Sig handguns. They can't even afford to pay their officers. I live here and have several DPD buddies. |
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Posted: 7/31/2017 6:58:08 PM EDT
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Yeager shoots 1000 rounds thru a glock 19 and the $2 guide rod melts.... SIG fanboy: ERMAHGURD piece of junk glock grenade crap Frame warps on MAC 1000 round thru SIG... sig fanboy: Move along nothing to see here. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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First the melting issues now this. Not surprised <not a glock fanboy>
You mean when MAC fired 1,000 rounds through it in like 8 minutes and the frame slightly warped? That is so far outside of what any of these guns would be used for in the military, and even if it did happen its a simple fix of throwing away the frame and buying a new one for $30. SIG fanboy: ERMAHGURD piece of junk glock grenade crap Frame warps on MAC 1000 round thru SIG... sig fanboy: Move along nothing to see here. |
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Posted: 7/31/2017 7:03:28 PM EDT
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I know nothing about the Sig 320, but I own Sigs. I had to send in a brand new Sig 239 barrel back to the factory because of a deep gouge on the outside of th chamber. I had to send in a complete bought new P229 because a pin on the frame broke (don't remember the name of the part off the top of my head). Then I bought my holy grail gun, a desert tan Mark 25 when the price dropped to reasonable. Got it home, and some of the rifling inside the barrel almost looked like it was intentionally reamed out. All three guns within the last two years or so.
My point is, Sig, in my experience has quality control issues. I can't help but wonder if this particular 320, or 320s, were just QC flaws. |
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Posted: 7/31/2017 7:03:58 PM EDT
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OP is a clickbait tool. 
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Posted: 7/31/2017 7:04:26 PM EDT
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Honestly, I'm not pissed over it, or at you. I do think your post is pretty thin on details, and even with all the other forum links, we still don't have anything definitive anywhere that says what really happened, or what the inspection of the pistol reveals. All we have is a lot of grab-assing so far. As for that video, a lot of good points raised in the forum where it was posted. Nobody knows the condition of that pistol, what was done to it etc. The fact that it was done by someone deliberately hiding their identity with a hat and sunglasses indoors in a poorly lit room doesn't exactly raise a lot of confidence in the video. In that forum thread, others had attempted to recreate that failure to no avail, or had quoted others who had. One thing I notice is that the trigger flops around pretty damn easily in that slow motion, and only travels rearward after the pistol fires. I'm pretty skeptical that the pistol was compromised, and I have to think that if there was a regular issue with the firearms one of the myriad internet celebrity testers would have identified it, vs some random anonymous dude in his basement. |
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Posted: 7/31/2017 7:05:46 PM EDT
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Didn't the Army just pick oh idk a couple pallets up themselves? |
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Posted: 7/31/2017 7:06:35 PM EDT
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I caught that in the video also, seems like it fires before the trigger moves back. Very odd. A lot of unanswered possibilities. |
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Posted: 7/31/2017 7:08:26 PM EDT
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All of my DPD buddies have gone to their Glocks or back to their P22Xs.
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Posted: 7/31/2017 7:10:41 PM EDT
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Fake news
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Posted: 7/31/2017 7:11:57 PM EDT
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The SIG320 is an ugly piece of shit and is easily bested by Glock, M&P, and even the VP9 which is by far sub-par by HK's standards
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Posted: 7/31/2017 7:15:37 PM EDT
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I was down at the Sweet Frog getting some yogurt when I overheard a guy talking about his cousin, who lives in the next county over, who had talked about his nephew, who lives in my county, who was at church this past Sunday, when the conversation about military grade duty pistols came up. Then the guy who works on lawnmower engines said his girlfriends husband said he heard that them there Sig handguns be going bang when you drop them.....................
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Posted: 7/31/2017 7:16:09 PM EDT
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What does that mean Quote HistoryQuoted:
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OP is a clickbait tool. |
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Posted: 7/31/2017 7:17:59 PM EDT
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Shouldn't those cops, oh I don't know, maybe NOT DROP THEIR FIREARMS? How many times were they dropped? On purpose? Or did they have a couple dozen cops drop their pistols on duty and they all went off? |
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Posted: 7/31/2017 7:19:01 PM EDT
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It means that this thread is clickbait, and that is an attribute of a tool. Kinda like a jerk, but less funny. |
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Posted: 7/31/2017 7:20:19 PM EDT
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What makes this thread click bait? What makes me a "tool" I'm not fluent in hip and edgy discourse. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It means that this thread is clickbait, and that is an attribute of a tool. Kinda like a jerk, but less funny. |
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Posted: 7/31/2017 7:20:23 PM EDT
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Could somebody do their own test on their 320 for their peace of mind? Put a blank, or virgin snap cap in their gun and toss it onto something cushioned to simulate dropping? Any other way to home test? |
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Posted: 7/31/2017 7:20:45 PM EDT
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Could somebody do their own test on their 320 for their peace of mind? Put a blank, or virgin snap cap in their gun and toss it onto something cushioned to simulate dropping? Any other way to home test? Is this a known thing? Internet rumor? |
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Posted: 7/31/2017 7:21:33 PM EDT
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I think it is a derogatory term being used by someone who is butthurt that his favorite pistol may have a serious design flaw. |
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Posted: 7/31/2017 7:22:21 PM EDT
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Empty gun. Drop it. Pull the trigger |
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Posted: 7/31/2017 7:25:50 PM EDT
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Could somebody do their own test on their 320 for their peace of mind? Put a blank, or virgin snap cap in their gun and toss it onto something cushioned to simulate dropping? Any other way to home test? I have dropped the subcompact twice now. Not because of this, but due to some rigorous training shall we say. The subcompact did not fire. It does have a smaller slide (and mass) than the one if the video unless I am seeing that incorrectly. Perhaps the slide weight is a function of the ones that failed?? |
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Posted: 7/31/2017 7:26:14 PM EDT
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There was zero reason to go with anything other than a glock 19/17. Who cares if the serialized trigger module thingy can be swapped around and lost by soldiers? Glock is extremely proven, i bet there will be new "generations' of the 320 within a couple years, unless they dont want to release for fear of being obligated to replace whatever defects pop up. Glocks were already proven with 30+ yrs of use. |
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Posted: 7/31/2017 7:28:52 PM EDT
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How many vaccinations did you get as a child? |
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Posted: 7/31/2017 7:29:21 PM EDT
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I think it is a derogatory term being used by someone who is butthurt that his favorite pistol may have a serious design flaw. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It means that this thread is clickbait, and that is an attribute of a tool. Kinda like a jerk, but less funny. 
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Posted: 7/31/2017 7:30:44 PM EDT
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without a sound or a dented snap cap how could you tell if it malfunctioned? Serious question |
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Posted: 7/31/2017 7:31:00 PM EDT
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I caught that in the video also, seems like it fires before the trigger moves back. Very odd. A lot of unanswered possibilities. |
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Posted: 7/31/2017 7:32:16 PM EDT
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Remember when those of us who panned the choice of the P320 by the Army without any proper tests were considered Glock koolaide drinkers? Lol, this is why the proper testing needed to happen, not just "Fire x rounds from a rest and call it good if it makes it.".  |
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Posted: 7/31/2017 7:33:03 PM EDT
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If the striker goes to the fired position, the trigger would be dead. 
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Posted: 7/31/2017 7:36:21 PM EDT
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They may not be able to add it, because then Steyr's copyright infringement case on the P320 vs the M9 becomes even more of a slam dunk.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It would also be extraordinarily bad business for Sig to sue a customer for complaining about the product. Sig should man up and design a fix. It might be as simple as adding a safety to the trigger. |
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Posted: 7/31/2017 7:40:45 PM EDT
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I agree. They should lock themselves in the station during their shift and avoid all human contact. 
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Posted: 7/31/2017 7:41:10 PM EDT
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I don't understand why so many in this thread got pissed over this news. I don't own a 320, but if I did, upon reading this if someone else started the thread I'd have more questions than counter accusations. |
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Posted: 7/31/2017 7:45:19 PM EDT
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The only reason why I don't have one yet is due to the X carry version looking SO MUCH FUCKING BETTER! It's almost as if somebody at Sig after the fact went "You know, if we really want to sell our new pistol, perhaps it should use a grip frame that at least looks different from the failed pistol that it was based off of." 
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Posted: 7/31/2017 7:54:09 PM EDT
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What makes this thread click bait? What makes me a "tool" I'm not fluent in hip and edgy discourse. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It means that this thread is clickbait, and that is an attribute of a tool. Kinda like a jerk, but less funny. |
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Posted: 7/31/2017 7:59:32 PM EDT
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First the melting issues now this. Not surprised <not a glock fanboy> |
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Posted: 7/31/2017 8:01:31 PM EDT
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Sig isn't going to sue a major agency. That's how you make sure no agency deals with you in the future. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Truth is an absolute defense to defamation. |
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Posted: 7/31/2017 8:03:31 PM EDT
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The drop part is rumor. DPD is being mum about the reason. 
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Posted: 7/31/2017 8:08:55 PM EDT
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My local SO office dropped them last month. They were jam city with/without lights. After 20 years of Sigs, finally going Glock
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Posted: 7/31/2017 8:11:15 PM EDT
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I wouldn't buy that POS, or a Glock.
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Posted: 7/31/2017 8:11:51 PM EDT
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Have it it from an active duty DPD officer; Friday an email went out, no Dallas PD officers are to carry the Sig 320 effective immediately. Officers were carrying these as authorized private purchase. RUMOR is they can discharge when dropped.
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Posted: 7/31/2017 8:13:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/31/2017 8:21:21 PM EDT
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that, or he's just a douche. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think it is a derogatory term being used by someone who is butthurt that his favorite pistol may have a serious design flaw. Brb, off to drop test my 320. P320 compact, loaded mag/empty chamber, 2 free fall drops from ~3' to carpeted wooden floor- no malfunctions. |
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