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Posted: 2/16/2017 9:44:50 PM EST
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the logical answer is to build a true aux spillway over at the hill by the parking lot. They could complete the spillway and connect to the lake during low water. Then they could repair the original spillway at leisure. 
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Posted: 2/16/2017 9:46:57 PM EST
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What do you know about printerclub? The first rule of printerclub is to never talk about it 
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Posted: 2/16/2017 9:48:02 PM EST
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 203 pages!
I have not read any since they started dropping bags of rocks with helicopters. Have they cut the spillway flow to get a photo yet? Any other excitement since the (first?) evacuation? |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 9:48:18 PM EST
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the logical answer is to build a true aux spillway over at the hill by the parking lot. They could complete the spillway and connect to the lake during low water. Then they could repair the original spillway at leisure. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What about a ramp to cause the rushing water to jump over the damaged area of the main spillway?  How about we do not give them another excuse to run the dam up past flood control level when they already think that is fun? |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 9:52:46 PM EST
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203 pages!
I have not read any since they started dropping bags of rocks with helicopters. Have they cut the spillway flow to get a photo yet? Any other excitement since the (first?) evacuation? you are now on 204 |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 9:58:07 PM EST
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Posted: 2/16/2017 10:01:22 PM EST
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I have no sympathy for California inbreds that build in a flood plain. I think it's dumber than building near the ocean. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 10:01:31 PM EST
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203 pages!
I have not read any since they started dropping bags of rocks with helicopters. Have they cut the spillway flow to get a photo yet? Any other excitement since the (first?) evacuation? It's Getting better. 
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Posted: 2/16/2017 10:01:42 PM EST
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I'd like to get back to my life. OP, could you update the title when the n.ext failure occurs or the level gets to 895 or so?
This is the best epic thread since Herby Curby! What? Why do you get off easy? There's over 660000 people watching this. Tune in Sunday nite. It only takes a minute. Of course, then you drop into the middle of the conversation, have to back track, start catching up, then you notice it's 4 hours later and you have to get up in 3 more hours. You're doomed, ya know. It's like crack coated carmelcorn. It's already altering your conscience, and all you've done is post a plea against it worming it's way to the to core of your mind and taking over. Soon you'll realize you've been up 48 hours and the boss thinks you're a no call no show while your wife (or mother) is screaming at you while you pound the keyboard with bloody fingertips as you calculate the inches of rise against the inches of rain desperately paging back and forth from early page to page trying to understand the calculus of watershed vs impoundment ratios and who would be the most likely to order this disaster not knowing it's been a wet winter and just the start of the spring runoff with 7 major cracks in the bedrock funneling water into schist folds forcing them to spread hydraulically and wedge open even further in a geometric acceleration of horrendous proportions allowing the entire emergency spillway to completely tip over right down to the river bed exposing 200,000 innocent men, women and children to a massive wall of water filled with broken rock, trees, cars, buildings, and concrete in a titanic blender of incredible power destroying everything in its path down the river past Sacramento into the Bay and then in a towering wall of hurtling mud destroying the Golden Gate leaving nothing more than stubs of concrete that are swallowed up in the cataclysmic earthquake of California sinking into the Pacific. Nope. No mercy. Yer doomed. They will find your body slumped over the keyboard along with half a million others with your eyes literally fused to the screen. The survivors will split up your gear and inscribe your name on the monument facing the sea in Nevada. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 10:03:00 PM EST
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That comes from the operations manual IIRC. Some body will correct me if I'm wrong. It is the ideal level for flood control and water storage. The assumption being the hydro is running and spillways set according to pool height. It was announced they were going to be down to 850 by now but that hasn't happened. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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where have you seen that they've tried to maintain at 850 ft? That comes from the operations manual IIRC. Some body will correct me if I'm wrong. It is the ideal level for flood control and water storage. The assumption being the hydro is running and spillways set according to pool height. It was announced they were going to be down to 850 by now but that hasn't happened. Yeah, 850 was announced several days ago but completely impossible in the time frame they gave. Because of the drought they have been trying to keep it as close to 850 as possible so the feds don't yell at them but they will let the lake fill up a lot higher than that during "floods" and then slowly draw it down. I've seen the peak elevations posted here for the last 7 years or so and it went way above 850 each year, yet last year was the only year they opened the spillway. In the one report last year they said they opened the spillway up to just 6,000 cfs and that is when it tore holes in the spillway. It would appear no one thought to do a complete inspection of the spillway after 5 years of not running and the first time a light flow does go over it the thing crumbles. Nope, they just slapped a couple patches down and called it good. The epitome of how state workers operate. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 10:04:44 PM EST
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Het Profryan, are you still itchy? Take showers that are as hot as you can stand. You won't believe how
good that feels when that hot water hits the affected area. It is addictive.
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Posted: 2/16/2017 10:07:30 PM EST
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Het Profryan, are you still itchy? Take showers that are as hot as you can stand. You won't believe how good that feels when that hot water hits the affected area. It is addictive. Then dose all the blisters with quality white vinegar. There is just a mild sting but the itching disappears almost immediately. I had poison ivy for 8 months last year. A place I bought was covered in it. I've beaten a lot of back but it is still everywhere in the brush. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 10:10:49 PM EST
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I have no sympathy for California inbreds that build in a flood plain. Awarded driest humor in the thread. We need a lot more. So does California. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 10:13:17 PM EST
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http://i.imgur.com/ndJHfhV.png Did you generate that? If so, that deserves an atta-boy! 
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Posted: 2/16/2017 10:19:58 PM EST
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Posted: 2/16/2017 10:23:49 PM EST
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I was just about to post the same thing! Haven't been on the last page since day one. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 10:24:05 PM EST
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Sorry, I have been meaning to shitpost more. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 10:25:49 PM EST
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Various articles dated before the recent events. The 850 mark is where they are required, not that they have been following it, to release water. Here is one. http://fox40.com/2016/03/24/water-conservation-measures-remain-in-place-despite-major-reservoir-releases/ After months of rain on and off, the Army Corps of Engineers began releasing water from the Oroville Dam Thursday morning, as it hit the threshold of 850 feet above sea level, at which point the lake becomes a flooding hazard. This article is sort of funny/ironic/sad. It is from March 2016 and everyone was excited that the spillway was being used for the first time in 5 years. They were beaming that water was flowing. Now not so much. But the article does mention 84% full is when they are required to open the gates. http://www.abc10.com/news/local/california/oroville-dam-releasing-water-over-spillway-for-first-time-in-five-years/101137863 Is it me or have we just mentioned the Corps of Engineers for the first time? |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 10:27:21 PM EST
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new pic from CA DWR, it looks like it's from around midday
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Posted: 2/16/2017 10:29:18 PM EST
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So what's your theory on bubbles? |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 10:31:24 PM EST
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What? Why do you get off easy? There's over 660000 people watching this. Tune in Sunday nite. It only takes a minute. Of course, then you drop into the middle of the conversation, have to back track, start catching up, then you notice it's 4 hours later and you have to get up in 3 more hours. You're doomed, ya know. It's like crack coated carmelcorn. It's already altering your conscience, and all you've done is post a plea against it worming it's way to the to core of your mind and taking over. Soon you'll realize you've been up 48 hours and the boss thinks you're a no call no show while your wife (or mother) is screaming at you while you pound the keyboard with bloody fingertips as you calculate the inches of rise against the inches of rain desperately paging back and forth from early page to page trying to understand the calculus of watershed vs impoundment ratios and who would be the most likely to order this disaster not knowing it's been a wet winter and just the start of the spring runoff with 7 major cracks in the bedrock funneling water into schist folds forcing them to spread hydraulically and wedge open even further in a geometric acceleration of horrendous proportions allowing the entire emergency spillway to completely tip over right down to the river bed exposing 200,000 innocent men, women and children to a massive wall of water filled with broken rock, trees, cars, buildings, and concrete in a titanic blender of incredible power destroying everything in its path down the river past Sacramento into the Bay and then in a towering wall of hurtling mud destroying the Golden Gate leaving nothing more than stubs of concrete that are swallowed up in the cataclysmic earthquake of California sinking into the Pacific. Nope. No mercy. Yer doomed. They will find your body slumped over the keyboard along with half a million others with your eyes literally fused to the screen. The survivors will split up your gear and inscribe your name on the monument facing the sea in Nevada. Not sure if I should be clapping and congratulations for an epic post.... or hitting you with 2 of Haldol, 50 of benadryl and 2 of ativan.... |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 10:31:51 PM EST
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Is it me or have we just mentioned the Corps of Engineers for the first time? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Various articles dated before the recent events. The 850 mark is where they are required, not that they have been following it, to release water. Here is one. http://fox40.com/2016/03/24/water-conservation-measures-remain-in-place-despite-major-reservoir-releases/ After months of rain on and off, the Army Corps of Engineers began releasing water from the Oroville Dam Thursday morning, as it hit the threshold of 850 feet above sea level, at which point the lake becomes a flooding hazard. This article is sort of funny/ironic/sad. It is from March 2016 and everyone was excited that the spillway was being used for the first time in 5 years. They were beaming that water was flowing. Now not so much. But the article does mention 84% full is when they are required to open the gates. http://www.abc10.com/news/local/california/oroville-dam-releasing-water-over-spillway-for-first-time-in-five-years/101137863 Is it me or have we just mentioned the Corps of Engineers for the first time? Corps of Engineers is sort of a running gig by now but, this is the first I have seen of them running the Oroville dam in the past. What led up to it and how do we get them back in charge? |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 10:33:26 PM EST
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What about Louisiana inbreds that build below sea level? Oh and that Louisiana guy who said idiots for building in a flood plain....99.9% sure he was being sarcastic. If not, I hope he can't reproduce. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 10:35:12 PM EST
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new pic from CA DWR, it looks like it's from around midday In between the concrete patches is... The same kind of rock that water ran through. Will the water not simply cut between the patches? |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 10:36:47 PM EST
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Logic is my main toolset at work, watching DWR lies, or talking to liberals. Best tool. I hope everyone has survived the day and has a glass of whatever pleases you at the ready. Did I hear someone say... LOGIC??? In GD???
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Posted: 2/16/2017 10:36:51 PM EST
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Dang looks like they're gonna rock and crete that whole area
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Posted: 2/16/2017 10:38:48 PM EST
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Did I hear someone say... LOGIC??? In GD??? ThisisGD!versionof300spartakick.gif |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 10:41:29 PM EST
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you are now on 204 Quote HistoryQuoted:
you are now on 204 I posted on 203 but ARF's was slow and put me on 204. I think we'll need a ruling on this. 
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It's Getting better. http://68.media.tumblr.com/2e105e55bdd3320bb67c8912fd15b0ca/tumblr_inline_nxbnbcFKgf1qcq9mp_500.gif So bags DO hold up to floods after all. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 10:42:46 PM EST
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Don't worry, it's about to slow way down... 
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Posted: 2/16/2017 10:44:43 PM EST
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Is it me or have we just mentioned the Corps of Engineers for the first time? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Various articles dated before the recent events. The 850 mark is where they are required, not that they have been following it, to release water. Here is one. http://fox40.com/2016/03/24/water-conservation-measures-remain-in-place-despite-major-reservoir-releases/ After months of rain on and off, the Army Corps of Engineers began releasing water from the Oroville Dam Thursday morning, as it hit the threshold of 850 feet above sea level, at which point the lake becomes a flooding hazard. This article is sort of funny/ironic/sad. It is from March 2016 and everyone was excited that the spillway was being used for the first time in 5 years. They were beaming that water was flowing. Now not so much. But the article does mention 84% full is when they are required to open the gates. http://www.abc10.com/news/local/california/oroville-dam-releasing-water-over-spillway-for-first-time-in-five-years/101137863 Is it me or have we just mentioned the Corps of Engineers for the first time? POSTED 8:59 PM, MARCH 24, 2016, is this thread that old? |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 10:47:10 PM EST
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Inflow creeping up towards 40k CFS, was at 37k CFS the last hour.
They dropped outflow to 80k CFS 4-5hours ago. http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cgi-progs/queryF?s=ORO |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 10:47:12 PM EST
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Quote History First pile of shit clogging the bottom will be that turd they shat out closest to the main spillway.
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Posted: 2/16/2017 10:47:26 PM EST
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Sorry, I have been meaning to shitpost more. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sorry, I have been meaning to shitpost more.
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Posted: 2/16/2017 10:47:32 PM EST
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Posted: 2/16/2017 10:49:43 PM EST
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Inflow creeping up towards 40k CFS, was at 37k CFS the last hour. They dropped outflow to 80k CFS 4-5hours ago. http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cgi-progs/queryF?s=ORO It is the only way left to get water out of the dam. They are being careful with it. Lol. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 10:53:48 PM EST
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First I would rip out the old Emergency Spillway. Then I'd dig/blast down ... to and then good bit past fresh non fractured bedrock... then re-pore the ogee(new term for me) weir all the way to the hill... maybe put another concrete tower there at the height of the dam 922... for the road to go over to access the parking lot. Then I'd finish out the down hill side into a real concrete spillway... putting the road as a long bridge over it... or maybe re-routing it so it's lake side of the weir... Build a new auxiliary spillway next to the hill so the original can be repaired |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 10:53:51 PM EST
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In between the concrete patches is... The same kind of rock that water ran through. Will the water not simply cut between the patches? It looks to me like they're preparing to put another layer over top once they get the grades where they want them. Sierra club or whoever it was is going to get their concrete spill channel. It also looks to me like they weren't ever worried about this storm system, if they were they'd have started at the weir. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 10:55:35 PM EST
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It is the only way left to get water out of the dam. They are being careful with it. Lol. Well... right now it will take ~6hours to drop the water level 1ft. Edit- At least the storm they were expecting Wed night/Thursday was pretty much nothing... Unfortunately, the storm hitting tomorrow is worse than they were expecting. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 10:55:53 PM EST
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What? Why do you get off easy? There's over 660000 people watching this. Tune in Sunday nite. It only takes a minute. Of course, then you drop into the middle of the conversation, have to back track, start catching up, then you notice it's 4 hours later and you have to get up in 3 more hours. You're doomed, ya know. It's like crack coated carmelcorn. It's already altering your conscience, and all you've done is post a plea against it worming it's way to the to core of your mind and taking over. Soon you'll realize you've been up 48 hours and the boss thinks you're a no call no show while your wife (or mother) is screaming at you while you pound the keyboard with bloody fingertips as you calculate the inches of rise against the inches of rain desperately paging back and forth from early page to page trying to understand the calculus of watershed vs impoundment ratios and who would be the most likely to order this disaster not knowing it's been a wet winter and just the start of the spring runoff with 7 major cracks in the bedrock funneling water into schist folds forcing them to spread hydraulically and wedge open even further in a geometric acceleration of horrendous proportions allowing the entire emergency spillway to completely tip over right down to the river bed exposing 200,000 innocent men, women and children to a massive wall of water filled with broken rock, trees, cars, buildings, and concrete in a titanic blender of incredible power destroying everything in its path down the river past Sacramento into the Bay and then in a towering wall of hurtling mud destroying the Golden Gate leaving nothing more than stubs of concrete that are swallowed up in the cataclysmic earthquake of California sinking into the Pacific. Nope. No mercy. Yer doomed. They will find your body slumped over the keyboard along with half a million others with your eyes literally fused to the screen. The survivors will split up your gear and inscribe your name on the monument facing the sea in Nevada. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 10:55:54 PM EST
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Yeah, this thread needs a bibliography. Start with "Oroville Emergency Spillway Plug".... |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 10:56:05 PM EST
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Some history of the dam The bucket wheel excavator (shown bottom right) was built by the company I worked for in the mid 60's. More history Interesting information. Were you involved with the tear down and relocation? That Krupp bucket wheel excavator system ended up at the Centralia, WA coal mine where it was used for about 25 years or more for pre-stripping coal seams. It was used in 2 different pit areas as I recall. I started work at the mine when it was in the second area and spent many an hour keeping it maintained and operating. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 10:57:09 PM EST
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was hoping for some pics of the dredging work... or some new aerial shots...
Oh well album updated with CA DWR's latest pics. Really just the one pic of the work at the Emergency spillway is of any significance. And Chokey already posted it. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 10:59:11 PM EST
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Am I the only one dumb enough to think that all that shit is going to wash away like gravel with a garden hose if it tops out again? No sir, I'm right there with you. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 11:01:53 PM EST
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Interesting information. Were you involved with the tear down and relocation? That Krupp bucket wheel excavator system ended up at the Centralia, WA coal mine where it was used for about 25 years or more for pre-stripping coal seams. It was used in 2 different pit areas as I recall. I started work at the mine when it was in the second area and spent many an hour keeping it maintained and operating. Ditto... Very interesting... |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 11:04:24 PM EST
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What? Why do you get off easy? There's over 660000 people watching this. Tune in Sunday nite. It only takes a minute. Of course, then you drop into the middle of the conversation, have to back track, start catching up, then you notice it's 4 hours later and you have to get up in 3 more hours. You're doomed, ya know. It's like crack coated carmelcorn. It's already altering your conscience, and all you've done is post a plea against it worming it's way to the to core of your mind and taking over. Soon you'll realize you've been up 48 hours and the boss thinks you're a no call no show while your wife (or mother) is screaming at you while you pound the keyboard with bloody fingertips as you calculate the inches of rise against the inches of rain desperately paging back and forth from early page to page trying to understand the calculus of watershed vs impoundment ratios and who would be the most likely to order this disaster not knowing it's been a wet winter and just the start of the spring runoff with 7 major cracks in the bedrock funneling water into schist folds forcing them to spread hydraulically and wedge open even further in a geometric acceleration of horrendous proportions allowing the entire emergency spillway to completely tip over right down to the river bed exposing 200,000 innocent men, women and children to a massive wall of water filled with broken rock, trees, cars, buildings, and concrete in a titanic blender of incredible power destroying everything in its path down the river past Sacramento into the Bay and then in a towering wall of hurtling mud destroying the Golden Gate leaving nothing more than stubs of concrete that are swallowed up in the cataclysmic earthquake of California sinking into the Pacific. Nope. No mercy. Yer doomed. They will find your body slumped over the keyboard along with half a million others with your eyes literally fused to the screen. The survivors will split up your gear and inscribe your name on the monument facing the sea in Nevada. 
Simply amazing. Right up there with the rant of the guy that said someone was proof that humans and rodents could reproduce. Bravo sir, well done. 
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Posted: 2/16/2017 11:05:30 PM EST
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Yah, I agree, that's probably what will actually happen. But how cool would it be to see that spillway launching 100k cfs off a ramp down to the river 400ft below. My guess is that a ski jump at the current break in the spill way could be a temporary repair to the main spill way that would enable them to build a new spillway. I'd think that the time to construct a temporary jump would be shorter than the additional excavation and potential blasting work required for a complete new spillway. The other thing I was wondering was the auxiliary gates near the e-spill that were never finished. With modern equipment I wonder if those could be connected as a new diversion tunnel. The challenge there would of course be figure out how to do it if the lake levels are above the inlets. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 11:06:10 PM EST
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Well... right now it will take ~6hours to drop the water level 1ft. Edit- At least the storm they were expecting Wed night/Thursday was pretty much nothing... Unfortunately, the storm hitting tomorrow is worse than they were expecting. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It is the only way left to get water out of the dam. They are being careful with it. Lol. Well... right now it will take ~6hours to drop the water level 1ft. Edit- At least the storm they were expecting Wed night/Thursday was pretty much nothing... Unfortunately, the storm hitting tomorrow is worse than they were expecting. It was at flood control before they started wondering about how to get water out of the thing besides the capitalist turbines, before the rain, before the snow melt. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 11:06:26 PM EST
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Posted: 2/16/2017 11:08:51 PM EST
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Why did the gully in the middle get ignored when they were passing out participation baggies?
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Posted: 2/16/2017 11:09:18 PM EST
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there is not a dam thing wrong with the Espill as it sits. Build a new auxiliary spillway next to the hill so the original can be repaired It needs to go deep and get keyed into the good rock down there... and you aren't getting down there without removing the old one first. Building a temporary emergency spillway while you replace the current one seems like wasted effort... just repair the bypass tunnel and use that for emergency situations while you replace the Emergency spillway. |
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