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We have a nearby town named Centralia here in PA. It is, or was I should say, a mining town too. We used to take our 4x4's there all the time and explore.

It's an extremely interesting place. You should look it up

Long story short, the town dump was on a coal seam. Trash fire lit the seam and it's been burning underground for years. Town was eventually evacuated and closed off.

Highway that ran through the town was re-routed around it but you can still get out on it. Looks like a scene from one of those earthquake movies

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Does nobody realize that half of the entire state of California is rural red maga country?

Seems like some folls think everone here surfs daily and is a retard lib.

Lots to learn.


This is Jefferson State up here.

Npr is JPR and it doesnt suck.

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Only a sick person would be hoping for something bad to happen here.

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So about 30% of the General Discussion posters?

Like the socialist and Marxist have made Trump into their monster allowing all things possibly bad to be said about him including his death the General Discussion have made the state and people of California the focus of their rage. It's been that way for twenty years here.

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apparently this is some access road to the dam, hope it doesn't affect the quarry/concrete trucks

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C49HuRlUEAAtci-.jpg

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Wow, thanks, I'll look that up!

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A few thoughts. One, much like the military, you never underestimate your competition.  Two, it could fit in the bucket of the products I work on.  Three, the math associated with that excavator on the barge is delicious.

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I've just got to pull your chain a bit.   Sounds like we work on similar sized stuff, and think the company I work for actually supplies some components for the big hydraulic shovels even though we are competitors.  I love it when people talk about a big back hoe with a 3yd bucket, or a 65T truck.  I like to show them the pictures of the ultra class mining trucks I've been on, or the shovels with 50yd buckets or bigger.

If we had some of that equipment on site we'd have that channel dredged in no time!

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... while it's a lovely, drizzling day here in Arizona, I sure wish more of California's moist would make it across the desert to us

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I've been taking screen captures from the visitor center webcam everyday in the morning and evening since the 15th.

so here they are starting on the morning of the 15th.
http://i.imgur.com/b5vYX0w.png

http://i.imgur.com/oSX8HjX.png

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http://i.imgur.com/L0Pby5O.png

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last pic was today.

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When California secedes, I want to keep Jefferson in America.  That way we don't have to change our flag

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• Second Outlet from Dam at turbine discharge level has been broken since 2009 and simply unused.

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you may like this pic then...

http://i.imgur.com/G0zCO5d.jpg

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Looking at the latest pictures and video, I can't help but get one of those ominous feelings about the fact that I don't think anybody knows how deep of hole has been plunged into the earth at the midpoint of the main spillway where it's still intact and water falling into the side of the hill.  Also the fact that now the other side of the broken part of the spillway is starting to show signs of a new stream of water along side it, I just keep waiting to watch the whole thing slide into the river in a massive landslide.  I realize it's supposed to be on solid rock, but from our earlier discussions about the rotten rock at the E Spillway weir base, it makes me wonder how much water is getting injected by force into the fissures around that area.  I hope it holds out, but what really concerns me is based on historical data, we haven't even begun to reach the part of the year where the dam REALLY fills up.  That's several more months of pounding that part of the hill with water outflow of 20K to 100K per second.

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Throw him and all of the other looters into the holes that mother nature so graciously provided below the espillway.   I'm dead fucking serious, the world would be a better place.

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If it gets to where it was last weekend it could be a significant problem, but so far it looks to be under control.

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So about 30% of the General Discussion posters?

Like the socialist and Marxist have made Trump into their monster allowing all things possibly bad to be said about him including his death the General Discussion have made the state and people of California the focus of their rage. It's been that way for twenty years here.

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Wow, thanks, I'll look that up!

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... while it's a lovely, drizzling day here in Arizona, I sure wish more of California's moist would make it across the desert to us

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This won't be over for months, this is just a good start.

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I did the calculation a while back but didn't post it, thanks for putting it in print.  You know, it really is hard to imagine 6.25 million pounds of water per second, it really puts into perspective the size of the gates and the engineering involved to create this dam, and the incredible forces that are being exerted upon the open hole and fissures in the rock holding the lower part of the spillway.  I'm amazed it is holding together as well as it is right now, and why I still have that "ominous feeling" about it all.

-The energy dispersion ring was removed from the river valve system in April of 2009. This is a critical safety device in the operation of the river valves. It was not replaced. DWR stated (TB) that the ring was not replaced because DWR did not have the time with the up coming season.
-Department of Dam Safety was not consulted and did not approve the removal of the energy dispersion ring. When DWR makes any changes to the Dam they must get approval from this group and they did not get approval. No party, body, group or department reviewed, analyzed or inspected the river valve system to determine the hazards created by removal of the energy dispersion ring.
- The employees in the River Valve Chamber during operation of the river valves have limited access as they are in the ventilation of the discharge volume exposed to air flow of over 100 mph.
-DWR had not evidence of ever opening the river valves to 100% during the life of the system, but decided to operate them in this capacity without the energy dispersion ring.
-Employees expressed safety concerns (see interview notes and recordings) with operation of the River Valves to 100% because this is not the way they systems was engineered or designed to be used.
-Modeling studies done when dam was constructed and in 1993 by UC Davis (see file and dvd). Both concluded that the operation of the river valves in the tunnel should not be done or severely limited with out the energy dispersion ring. DWR was aware of these studies and had copies and a video of the actual test. The tests and studies and original engineered design were ignored and the operation of the river valves was approved.
-The River Valve Chamber break-away wall was never inspected for integrity or safety for over 40 years.
-The vacuum alarm on the break-away wall in the RVC Chamber was disconnected and not in operation when valves were operated and DWR stated they have never inspected or maintained this alarm.
-The access was limited during the operation of the river valves. Employees could not escape the chamber due to the hurricane like winds.
-Corroded bolts were identified that were intended to secure the break-away wall (23 failed before accident-corroded and no evidence of shearing). Also, foam sealant had been placed in the past by DWR employees around door to keep water out - foam was localed in area where bolts were corroded. This indicates knowledge of corrosion and failure of the bolts and seal of the door.
-The cone valve is used in the tunnel which is confined and demands high amounts of air at high velocities during discharge. The American Society of Mechanical Engineers Hydro Power Technical Committee the Hydraulic Structures 3rd edition states that this type of valve (fixed-cone dispersion valve) should not be used or set to discharge into a confined space.

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you may like this pic then...

http://i.imgur.com/G0zCO5d.jpg

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Even with all the bashing, I think it's amazing how fast they have come up with plans, personnel, and equipment to mitigate the damage. Normally, it would take months to do the planning and actually get some work done.

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The spreasheet I posted shows about a 60 hour lag from start of rainfall to start of serious rise in reservoir.

They have now decreased the spillway output to 65,000 ft³/sec  aka 65kcfs  which has me scratching my head a bit, unless they have the barge under it or something.   Without onsite images I can't even guess why they are reducing it when the rain has been going on for 48 hours and continuing on for 2 more days...

From the metabunk forum, I found this nice annotated guesstimated image to help when looking at "dry" photos of the same area:
The white corner looks like their new "High Water Mark" on the side of the spillway control structure above the weir.

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Southern California right now!https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/318573/IMG-1254-149051.JPG