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Posted: 8/11/2017 4:33:25 PM EDT
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MANY pages back I recall the figure of $700 Million.
I'm sure it will be much higher. Heck, a $100 million doesn't go far in CA these days! |
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Posted: 8/11/2017 9:06:32 PM EDT
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That last video really had some good views that give you a better perspective on the scope of the project.
Some questions for construction guys: What's in the blue trailers? They're not built like regular trailers, and only have one rear axle. I've seen them on projects before but can't recall what they are used for. What is the condition of the construction equipment after months of running 24/7? Is it pretty much run out by the time they're done with it? Does it get sold off or do they try to rebuild it and put it back into the marketplace as lease equipment? With the reinforced concrete, how long before it's cured enough to remove the forms and pour another section next to it? How much are the operators, laborers, and carpenters making an hour? |
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Posted: 8/11/2017 10:14:23 PM EDT
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That last video really had some good views that give you a better perspective on the scope of the project. Some questions for construction guys: What's in the blue trailers? They're not built like regular trailers, and only have one rear axle. I've seen them on projects before but can't recall what they are used for. Water treatment What is the condition of the construction equipment after months of running 24/7? Is it pretty much run out by the time they're done with it? Does it get sold off or do they try to rebuild it and put it back into the marketplace as lease equipment? Back on the market sold or leased, the equipment is surprisingly resilient With the reinforced concrete, how long before it's cured enough to remove the forms and pour another section next to it? Depending on the spec, and or quality insurance, usually a couple days How much are the operators, laborers, and carpenters making an hour? Varies greatly between the trades, states and districts in the state. Operator 75 an hour including benefit package Laborers 50 an hour including benefit package Carpenter 55 an hour including benefit package Estimates only could be a little less or a lot more. |
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Posted: 8/11/2017 10:17:19 PM EDT
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Thanks
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Posted: 8/11/2017 10:47:00 PM EDT
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Juan video
 Oroville Update 9/10 Aug DWR Media Call+ BOC Memos #9 and #10 |
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Posted: 8/12/2017 2:04:26 AM EDT
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What's in the blue trailers? They're not built like regular trailers, and only have one rear axle. I've seen them on projects before but can't recall what they are used for. Rain For rent comes to mind first thing. Looks kind of like a shipping container, with 2 wheels at the very back corner? water storage. I'll look for a jpg  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/12/2017 10:18:27 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/14/2017 8:17:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryWhy did all these video get removed?
I've been following and the last huge neglected concern was the greening (seepage through the main damn). Any word whether they were going to build behind the dam for that? |
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Posted: 8/14/2017 8:20:19 AM EDT
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Why did all these video get removed? I've been following and the last huge neglected concern was the greening (seepage through the main damn). Any word whether they were going to build behind the dam for that? |
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Posted: 8/15/2017 3:30:44 PM EDT
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I have no idea why they were removed. |
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Posted: 8/15/2017 3:45:40 PM EDT
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 Woodstock 69 - Rain Chant - Maybe we can stop the rain Maybe CA can try THIS, next time. (I hope there isn't a next time) |
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Posted: 8/15/2017 10:57:11 PM EDT
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Evidence? |
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Posted: 8/15/2017 11:17:59 PM EDT
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Didn't go back and look Rain For rent comes to mind first thing. Looks kind of like a shipping container, with 2 wheels at the very back corner? water storage. I'll look for a jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/166092/TANKFLATTOP-278083.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What's in the blue trailers? They're not built like regular trailers, and only have one rear axle. I've seen them on projects before but can't recall what they are used for. Rain For rent comes to mind first thing. Looks kind of like a shipping container, with 2 wheels at the very back corner? water storage. I'll look for a jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/166092/TANKFLATTOP-278083.JPG |
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Posted: 8/15/2017 11:24:30 PM EDT
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Don't know if already answered but those are commonly known as frac tanks. Or mobile water storage tanks. |
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Posted: 8/15/2017 11:24:44 PM EDT
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 Yuba City Levee Damage Below Oroville and Press Briefing |
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Posted: 8/15/2017 11:37:40 PM EDT
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Pretty sure that's a dude he's talking to at 7:20...
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Posted: 8/15/2017 11:46:02 PM EDT
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MANY pages back I recall the figure of $700 Million. I'm sure it will be much higher. Heck, a $100 million doesn't go far in CA these days! There's billions going on there. |
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Posted: 8/15/2017 11:49:06 PM EDT
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That last video really had some good views that give you a better perspective on the scope of the project. Some questions for construction guys: What's in the blue trailers? They're not built like regular trailers, and only have one rear axle. I've seen them on projects before but can't recall what they are used for. What is the condition of the construction equipment after months of running 24/7? Is it pretty much run out by the time they're done with it? Does it get sold off or do they try to rebuild it and put it back into the marketplace as lease equipment? With the reinforced concrete, how long before it's cured enough to remove the forms and pour another section next to it? How much are the operators, laborers, and carpenters making an hour? As previously discussed. The contractor probably owns very few pieces of equipment on the site. If anything, they only own the specialty equipment and gear. Probably the concrete plants, cranes, few other smaller things. The rest of it is leased. Or if they do own it, they will probably have an auction and sell it off. A large rock truck, or large shovel, even a d8 class bulldozer is only mildly used with 8000 hours on it. The mining class shovels and trucks probably can go 20,000 hours with out any major over hauls. They'll keep the majority of their value. |
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Posted: 8/15/2017 11:52:30 PM EDT
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Pretty sure that's a dude he's talking to at 7:20... |
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Posted: 8/15/2017 11:55:17 PM EDT
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Didn't go back and look Rain For rent comes to mind first thing. Looks kind of like a shipping container, with 2 wheels at the very back corner? water storage. I'll look for a jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/166092/TANKFLATTOP-278083.JPG Useful if you only have to vac trucks but you need to empty that whole "like right fucking now." |
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Posted: 8/16/2017 9:39:32 AM EDT
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Of what? Or am I thinking of the wrong photos? |
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Posted: 8/16/2017 10:42:11 AM EDT
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Putting the big anchor bolts in the leveling concrete... do they extend all the way through to the rock underneath? http://i.imgur.com/Lj7exuF.jpg 
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Posted: 8/16/2017 10:57:53 AM EDT
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That CAT Rental branch has been asking for spares that can be leased to them from other dealers nationwide, lots of heavy equipment is being moved into that area from all over. the backup equipment has backups  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Are they working 24/7? If they are, then yes. Cat or the contractor would have a certified tech on hand 24/7. Chances are a few actually. I've seen their fuel and lube truck wandering around. Plus the contractor probably has I would guess at least 10-12 mechanics on staff and CAT probably has one guy each shift on hand for electronic diagnostics, parts ordering and more refined things. Where the contractors Mechanics would handle everything else. Also respectfully to komatsu and other equipment manufacturers. CAT rental is the only company in the US that could come up with that amount of iron that fast. If you think the contractor owns all that, there's no way. Not dollar figure wise. But being able to mobilize it that fast. Tampers on excavators have been around forever. Neat attachments. Used a lot in pipeline work. the backup equipment has backups |
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Posted: 8/16/2017 11:01:35 AM EDT
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Significant seepage through the dam. Or am I thinking of the wrong photos? |
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Posted: 8/16/2017 11:42:57 AM EDT
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more pictures up at Album part 3
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Posted: 8/16/2017 11:58:45 AM EDT
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more pictures up at Album part 3 
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Posted: 8/16/2017 12:17:38 PM EDT
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I haven't been looking closely but the pictures, but I haven't seen any Cat or other rental companies names on them. The companies doing the majority of the work are huge, like Kiewit, which I know has a large fleet of equipment. Same with the companies that did a lot of the early excavation. But I'm sure they are RPOing a lot of the equipment from CAT and the sate of Cali is paying for their new equipment. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Are they working 24/7? If they are, then yes. Cat or the contractor would have a certified tech on hand 24/7. Chances are a few actually. I've seen their fuel and lube truck wandering around. Plus the contractor probably has I would guess at least 10-12 mechanics on staff and CAT probably has one guy each shift on hand for electronic diagnostics, parts ordering and more refined things. Where the contractors Mechanics would handle everything else. Also respectfully to komatsu and other equipment manufacturers. CAT rental is the only company in the US that could come up with that amount of iron that fast. If you think the contractor owns all that, there's no way. Not dollar figure wise. But being able to mobilize it that fast. Tampers on excavators have been around forever. Neat attachments. Used a lot in pipeline work. the backup equipment has backups there are a few things at the damn that have my fingerprints on them
the contractor is getting equipment from far away as NC. CAT got with them and set up a nice program with them and the dealers nationwide are all helping on it
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Posted: 8/16/2017 12:55:33 PM EDT
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The CAT stickers will just say XXXX CAT on them and some will say CAT RENTAL but not all, even in my area we have delt with huge national companies and for some its cheaper and easier to rent the equipment local then it is to haul it across the country to a jobsite. there are a few things at the damn that have my fingerprints on them
the contractor is getting equipment from far away as NC. CAT got with them and set up a nice program with them and the dealers nationwide are all helping on it My desktop background is a photo from this thread. 
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Posted: 8/16/2017 1:02:29 PM EDT
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Which is funny because I work for CAT and I've seen no info mentioned on it on any of our internal news. Often seen stuff about other customers but not this dam. My desktop background is a photo from this thread. I am just sharing what info has came across my desk from the rental people to get things shipped out to that area, they told me cat had something set up but it could just be a dealer thing setup. idk if corporate was involved or not, by the rental coordinator person said they were. all i know is we sent a whole hell of a lot of things out that way including a hell of a lot of next day early am dpis orders i'll ask them again when i see them later if it was a dealer deal or corporate thing 
I have a pic as my background too 
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Posted: 8/16/2017 4:56:42 PM EDT
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1 month ago:
Current, small gorge filled in: 
They've still got the big "plunge gorge" to fill, you can see the top of some heavy equipment that's in the bottom of it, but they seem to have the RCC down so they can build it up fast. Wish we had some aerial photos to see the progress, and I also think they should pave the containment side of cut leading to the spillway gates so they can run the spillway at full bore, while they've got all the concrete and equipment right there anwyay. Just a very long, wide, and flat driveway should be easy to throw down for only a quarter mil more. I'm guessing these "season ready" upgrades will total around 3 billion, with another 2 billion on next year. They're cutting it close for night temperatures in the next 2 months, They should finish by mid to end of October, though. |
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Posted: 8/16/2017 6:49:49 PM EDT
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The last couple of videos did a pretty good job of showing overall progress. Need to keep your mouse over the pause button to get a good look:
 Oroville Spillway Update August 15, 2017 ETA: Here's the Cal DWR web site with all the pictures and videos: DWR |
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Posted: 8/17/2017 6:39:28 AM EDT
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@Edlips I am just sharing what info has came across my desk from the rental people to get things shipped out to that area, they told me cat had something set up but it could just be a dealer thing setup. idk if corporate was involved or not, by the rental coordinator person said they were. all i know is we sent a whole hell of a lot of things out that way including a hell of a lot of next day early am dpis orders i'll ask them again when i see them later if it was a dealer deal or corporate thing
I have a pic as my background too I wasn't calling you out, Was more or less just saying I think this would be a huge PR thing for CAT and advertise it lots.
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Posted: 8/17/2017 9:41:17 AM EDT
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@MILLERLGT82 I wasn't calling you out, Was more or less just saying I think this would be a huge PR thing for CAT and advertise it lots. i didnt take it that way
i just wanted to post factual info and if i was told wrong i would change it It is awesome advertising and a widely watched project and having CAT's name front and center in almost every pic is good advertising i will talk to the person today and get a clarification on the deal
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Posted: 8/17/2017 12:11:21 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/17/2017 1:58:23 PM EDT
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The last couple of videos did a pretty good job of showing overall progress. Need to keep your mouse over the pause button to get a good look:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cufBV0pf8YQ
ETA: Here's the Cal DWR web site with all the pictures and videos: DWR |
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Posted: 8/17/2017 2:56:20 PM EDT
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@55 seconds, what is the purpose of the plates they pressing into the RCC? The surface of the RCC will be smooth and is expected to crack ... but the stuff under the surface is being made to have expansion joints according to one of the videos posted on the last couple pages... So that's my guess. |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 12:04:17 AM EDT
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Consistantly amazing to see what they are pulling off up there.
I'd like to know where in the record books this falls as far as project size. |
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Posted: 8/18/2017 11:45:58 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/19/2017 12:37:13 AM EDT
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Consistantly amazing to see what they are pulling off up there. I'd like to know where in the record books this falls as far as project size. Waste Treatment Project at Hanford in Washington is also a pretty big project. I believe that are talking 16 billion when it's finally ready. ETA: Certainly don't mean to take away from this particular project. The immediate mobilization of resources, and execution without a definite plan is a significant accomplishment. Logistically, the project is just plain amazing. However, it's not a high tech marvel. |
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Posted: 8/19/2017 3:51:47 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/19/2017 10:27:52 AM EDT
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Are the vertical panels for the sidewalls of the spillway or is that just some pre-positioned rebar for the spillway?
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Posted: 8/19/2017 11:35:56 AM EDT
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they're for the side walls.
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Posted: 8/20/2017 8:46:34 PM EDT
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Missing my dam fix today because the web cam is down. Anyone hear anything?
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Posted: 8/21/2017 10:57:30 AM EDT
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So maybe it's just me.. and not discounting the UBER reinforced rebar structures (brings back memories of my construction days) they are using, but one would think it would make sense to BLAST as much as possible prior to rebuilding the lower end of the dam. You could reinforce concrete with ACT OF GOD rebar but the concussive nature of blasting around the existing, already stressed structures probably isn't a great idea. I guess they are the ex-sperts and what not. With the greening on the other side this can't be a good idea? Looks like a small charge given the debris but still. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 11:53:08 AM EDT
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http://i.imgur.com/SPXfGnb.jpg So maybe it's just me.. and not discounting the UBER reinforced rebar structures (brings back memories of my construction days) they are using, but one would think it would make sense to BLAST as much as possible prior to rebuilding the lower end of the dam. You could reinforce concrete with ACT OF GOD rebar but the concussive nature of blasting around the existing, already stressed structures probably isn't a great idea. I guess they are the ex-sperts and what not. With the greening on the other side this can't be a good idea? Looks like a small charge given the debris but still. The distances are somewhat deceptive in the photographs. This video gives you a better perspective. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 1:46:46 PM EDT
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They're moving the big crane that was below the cement plant by the lower spillway.
Link to live video feed |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 2:00:10 PM EDT
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Is this spillway and different from the last one? I think they should have built a gigantic glory hole instead so the water is always equalized to the bottom river below.
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Posted: 8/21/2017 7:52:43 PM EDT
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ETA: Sorry for the detour,
Damn  I had seen this video a while back. Ran across it again today, hit play.
"I know that voice?"  GALLOPING GHOST CRASH COMPOSITE VIDEO RENO 2011 I've always love hot rods, F-4Us, P-51s. This came up watching Super Bikes be Stupor Bikes. Sorry for the derail. Back to the Mighty Luscombe!  An Inside look at the Mighty Luscombe! |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 12:36:05 PM EDT
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That RCC is really progressing well. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 1:34:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryWith all of those rock bolts sticking up they should grab a tire and play a game of Plinko.
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